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From cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Fri Nov 12 15:55:43 1993
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From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
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Subject: RFD: comp.unix.advocacy
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PROPOSED GROUP: comp.unix.advocacy (unmoderated)
CHARTER:
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', and similar.
RATIONAL:
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such discussions
to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along the line of
other .advocacy groups.
Caution:
If you have comments that you want to make sure I read, please send
a copy to me by email, as I may miss a comment posted to news.groups.
--
I never worry about a factor of two.
The problem is, neither do nine of my friends.
- Stu Feldman
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From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu Dec 2 16:59:23 1993
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: CFV: comp.unix.advocacy
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.unix.advocacy
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Dec 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>.
CHARTER
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such
discussions to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along
the line of other .advocacy groups.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.unix.advocacy
I vote NO on comp.unix.advocacy
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person and per account will be counted. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu Dec 2 17:00:37 1993
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: CFV: comp.unix.advocacy
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.unix.advocacy
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Dec 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>.
CHARTER
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such
discussions to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along
the line of other .advocacy groups.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.unix.advocacy
I vote NO on comp.unix.advocacy
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person and per account will be counted. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Tue Dec 14 14:23:44 1993
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.advocacy
Supersedes: <comp.unix.advocacy-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.unix.advocacy
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Dec 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>.
CHARTER
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such
discussions to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along
the line of other .advocacy groups.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on comp.unix.advocacy
I vote NO on comp.unix.advocacy
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
Only one vote per person and per account will be counted. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
comp.unix.advocacy group vote Bounce Ack List - no need to revote
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From rdippold@qualcomm.com Mon Jan 3 17:49:46 1994
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.user-friendly,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp
Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.advocacy passes 164:32
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unmoderated comp.unix.advocacy group vote passes 164:32
There were 164 YES votes and 32 NO votes, for a total of 196 valid
votes. There was 1 abstain.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes. Thus, the group passes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>.
CHARTER
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
comp.unix.advocacy group vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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a905576@tiuk.ti.com David Pardoe
aadt!todd@uunet.UU.NET Todd Richmond
adams@maths.mu.OZ.AU Tim Adam
akonstan@math.macalstr.edu Alexander Konstantinou
allyn@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com Allyn Barnett
amanda@iesd.auc.dk Per Abrahamsen
andras@concave.cs.wits.ac.za Andras Salamon
ANDREWH@EARLHAM.EDU Andrew W. Hagen
anthony.baxter@aaii.oz.au anthony baxter
arane@ips.iac.honeywell.com Abhijit P. Rane
art@cyclone.mitre.org Arthur T. McClinton
Arthur.Chance@Smallworld.co.uk Arthur Chance
ault@cs.albany.edu
aw1@stade.co.uk Adrian Wontroba
bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Ed Bailey
barr@pop.psu.edu David Barr
bengtl@maths.lth.se Bengt Larsson
bill@wicat.COM Bill Swinyard
bj@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
bouillon@cs.uni-sb.de Peter G. Bouillon
bryan@Novell.COM Bryan Cardoza
cburley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Craig William BURLEY
cgd@postgres.Berkeley.EDU Chris G. Demetriou
chip%fin.uucp@dg-rtp.dg.com Chip Salzenberg
chris@tali.hsc.colorado.edu Chris Yoder
chrisj@hpman010.uksr.hp.com Chris James
chuahl@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Chua Hak Lien
cjensen@netcom.com Colin Jensen
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Chris Siebenmann
cmacleod@mcs.dundee.ac.uk Colin Macleod
cmc@brandx.cs.ohiou.edu C Matthew Curtin
coar@am_nephi.bxbmts.bxb.MTS.dec.com Ken Coar - Ce que je fais est secret.
collins@paros.com Jeff Collins
cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Martin Cracauer
craffert@lehman.com Colin Owen Rafferty
cvs06922@Menudo.UH.EDU Carl Streeter
damercer@mmm.com
David.Black@newcastle.ac.uk
dbrown@ai.uga.edu Daniel Brown [MSAI]
dem@hep.net David E. Martin
dgfritz@cat.syr.edu Doug Fritz
dmurphy@cwa.com Dan Murphy
donovan@bnr.ca marc (m.) donovan
dougmc@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu Doug McLaren
drayer@minerva.cis.yale.edu Rebecca Drayer
drosenfe@motown.ge.com
dwe@eng.iac.honeywell.com
eck@syl.nj.nec.com
ed@unican.gts.org Ed Borkovsky
edsr!jem@uunet.UU.NET John E. Mendenhall
edwardb@netcom.com Edward Baichtal
falko@ikmfbs.ing.tu-bs.de Falko Sauermann
fcamara@tid.es Fco. J. Ballesteros
fischer@dina.kvl.dk Lars Peter Fischer
fox@netcom.com Fuzzy Fox
Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU Garrett Wollman
gedtdc!pjt@uu6.psi.com
ggw@acpub.duke.edu G. "Wolfe" Woodbury
gibson@khan.tam.cornell.edu John Gibson
glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil Gerald Reno
gre@riot.enet.dec.com Gwyn Evans
greyham@research.canon.oz.au Graham Stoney
gspear+@CMU.EDU Geoffrey Spear
guezou_p@epita.fr philippe guezou
harle@ward.NADN.NAVY.MIL Jim Harle
harley@gotit.shr.dec.com Harley Privitera
hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu Robert A. Hayden
heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu Stephan Heilmayr
hm@fwi.uva.nl Hans Mulder
hp90101@internet.sbi.com Harry Protoolis
hpa@nwu.edu H. Peter Anvin N9ITP
hriquelm@impreza.adm.indumotora.cl Hictor Riquelme Lizama
jamantle@maplesoft.on.ca Jim Mantle
Jarkko.Hietaniemi@hut.fi Jarkko Hietaniemi
jarvidss@seaut.abb.se
jason@oaknet.oaknet.com Jason Vanick
jds@cs.UMD.EDU James da Silva
jeffo@uiuc.edu J.B. Nicholson-Owens
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca John Henders
jmaynard@nyx10.cs.du.edu Jay Maynard
jmrosens@students.wisc.edu Jesse M. Rosenstock
jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM Joe Smith
jnemeth@cue.bc.ca John Nemeth
john@xsoft.xerox.com John Raithel
johnh@FICUS.CS.UCLA.EDU John Heidemann
jum@anubis.han.de Jens-Uwe Mager
jws@cs.mu.OZ.AU Jeff Schultz
jxv3790@hertz.njit.edu Jake Vogelaar
jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil John Locke
kai@phantom.com Kai
kenji@k2r.or.jp Kenji Rikitake
khoub-s@cs.buffalo.edu Siamak Khoubyari
kjetilho@ifi.uio.no Kjetil Torgrim Homme
L15D@ZFN.uni-bremen.de Martin Schroeder
lan_lada@aaf.alcatel.at Marino Ladavac
lee@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu charles lee
ler@lerami.lerctr.org Larry Rosenman
lincoln@prospero.sp.flinders.edu.au Lincoln Turner
linimon@lonesome.com Mark Linimon
lonadar@judy.indstate.edu Lonadar the Wanderer
lootens@luc.ac.be Eddy Lootens
loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu Loren Miller
magnus@ii.uib.no Magnus Y Alvestad
majid@inf.enst.fr Fazal Majid
mazzarel@math.berkeley.edu Ariel Mazzarelli
mcampbel@schubert.sbi.com Mike Campbell
mercierm@JSP.UMontreal.CA Mercier Mathieu
mikew@gopher.dosli.govt.nz Mike Williams
misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
mjshield@nyx10.cs.du.edu Michael Shields
mlee@cat.syr.edu Mowcheng Lee
mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Mike Levis - OS/2 2.1 GA
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
mss1@cornell.edu Michael Scott Shappe
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff
neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch Matthias Neeracher
nigel@socs.uts.EDU.AU Nigel Pearson
ove@astro.lu.se Ove Hagerbo
patrick.m.ryan@gsfc.nasa.gov patrick m. ryan
pcatsc!spwvsd!spwvsd!jeff%dptspd.UUCP Jeff Brooks
peter@gate1.nmti.com Peter da Silva
peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au Peter Wemm
petes@hpindck.cup.hp.com Pete Smoot
phoffman@netcom.com Paul E. Hoffman
pk@sarnoff.com prashanth
poc@usb.ve Patrick O'Callaghan
pressy@tetra.north.de Carsten Bormann
prg@rampart.rco.qc.ca David McCabe - Progress Programmer
pzola@us.oracle.com Paul Zola
quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn
rahardj@CC.UManitoba.CA
rbagnall@au.oracle.com rbagnall.AU
revco@revco.med.yale.edu Jim Revkin
revu@midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil Revuluri
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rolfe@ldp.com Rolfe Tessem
root@yclept.chi.il.us Root a.k.a. Randolph J. Herber -- owner-sysadmin
rv@cs.brown.edu Rodrigo Vanegas
schow@bnr.ca stanley (s.t.h.) chow
scs@eskimo.com Steve Summit
SILVEIRA@inf.ufrgs.br Fernando da Silveira Montenegro
sjsmith@cs.UMD.EDU Stephen Joseph Smith
sltheria@artsci.wustl.edu Seth L Theriault
SRK106@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Senthil R. Kumar
steve@Wattres.SJ.CA.US Steve Watt -- KD6GGD
sutela@utu.fi Kari Sutela
suzio@chmar2.srl.ford.com Mike Suzio
swildner@channelz.gun.de Sascha Wildner
SYSBXR@SUVM.SYR.EDU Bridget Rutty
tar@matt.ksu.ksu.edu Tim Ramsey
tep@nwg.nectec.or.th Pornthep Narula
terry@tyrell.net Terry McDill
Timo.Rinne@hut.fi Timo Rinne
tomas@u30003.rsv.svskt.se Tomas Ruden
Tony_Porczyk@Novell.COM Tony Porczyk
usingh@mailbox.syr.edu Uminder Singh
vamsee@softint.com Vamsee Lakamsani
vogon1!frackit!dave@cse.psu.edu Dave Ratcliffe
vpl8747@u.cc.utah.edu Ville Lavonius
walra%moacs11@NL.net Waldi Ravens
wb@roka.de Wilhelm Buehler
windsord@basf-corp.com David L Windsor
wrs@nlbbs.com William Smith
yadallee@galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Shariff Yadallee
No Votes
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burt+@CMU.EDU Burt N Holzman
ckk@uchicago.edu Christopher K. Koenigsberg
davidp@qpsx.oz.au David Pascoe
davidsen@tmr.com Bill Davidsen
dmarcher@acsu.buffalo.edu
fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan
gcarter@infoserv.com George Carter
gl8f@fermi.clas.virginia.edu Greg Lindahl
hahn@cortex.lrdc.pitt.edu mark hahn
hollasch@kpc.com Steve Hollasch
jan@bagend.atl.ga.us Jan Isley
jan@filetek.com Jan Morales
jgd@dixie.com John De Armond
joel@wam.umd.edu Joel M. Hoffman
john@uhs1.uhs.uga.edu John D. Hopkins
jrm@globalvillag.com John "Fax This!" MacWilliamson
kevinmac@ll.mit.edu Kevin McElearney
lon@chs.com Lon Jones
magnus@thep.lu.se Magnus Olsson
masticol@scr.siemens.com Steve Masticola
neilb@tucumcari.eece.unm.edu
ogj@tglobe2.tollpost.no Oyvind Gjerstad
rws3n@karma.astro.virginia.edu Robert W. Spiker
SAAST8@vms.cis.pitt.edu
shane@spr.com Shane Hartman
sheldon@iastate.edu
smarry@io.org Smarasderagd
srogers@tad.eds.com Steve Rogers
tchrist@wraeththu.cs.colorado.edu Tom Christiansen
teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com Andrew R. Tefft
tinsel@uiuc.edu Thomas Aaron Insel
wirzeniu@cc.helsinki.fi Lars Wirzenius
Abstaining Votes
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