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From zukes@ix.netcom.com Mon Mar 20 16:15:59 1995
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From: zukes@ix.netcom.com (James Ruzicka)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.engr.control,sci.engr.chem,sci.environment,sci.engr.mech
Subject: RFD: misc.industry.pulp-and paper
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Request for Discussion (RFD)
Newsgroup: misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
Status: unmoderated
Distribution: worldwide
Summary: A forum for technical discussions on the pulp and paper ndustry
Proponents: Jim and Yolanda Ruzicka <zukes@ix.netcom.com>
CHARTER
The new newsgroup will focus on technical areas of the pulp and paper
industry. Some possible areas of discussion would be: manufacturing,
process engineering (i.e.- coating, bleaching, deinking, etc), process
controls, design and project engineering, industry trends, safety and
environmental issues, maintenance, etc.
Since the primary focus of this group is technical discussion about the
industry, any discussion about any legal/moral issues (i.e.- dioxins
polluting the environment, etc.) should be discussed elsewhere.
RATIONALE
Although there are some newsgroups (which are cross-posted with this
RFD) which occasionally discuss a pulp and paper related topic, there is
currently no newsgroup with the primary focus on the pulp and paper
industry. Currently, a reader interested in pulp and paper industry
topics much search through large volumes of information in other
newsgroups and scan possibly hundreds of topics to find one of interest.
Since the newsgroup focuses on an "industry" and not on a discipline,
readers from a variety of technical backgrounds ( chemical, electrical,
controls, mechanical, etc.) would participate in this group.
This newsgroup would also provide a great opportunity for networking
with others in the pulp and paper industry. Many people working in this
industry (especially at the manufacturing sites...mills) have limited
access to networking with peers at other locations. Currently, there
are technical publications and seminars, but only a few have the time or
the budget to participate.
Due to the many positive responses from a brief posting describing this
new group in other newsgroups, and inquiries about Internet newsgroups
in pulp and paper trade journals, there is shown to be a substantial
interest in the formation of such a group.
DISTRIBUTION
Besides being posted in "news.announce.newgroups" and "news.groups",
this RFD is also posted in the following groups:
sci.engr, sci.engr.manufacturing, sci.engr.control, sci.engr.chem,
sci.environment, sci.engr.mech
From bill@netagw.com Mon May 8 18:45:11 1995
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From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.engr.chem,sci.engr.control,sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.engr.mech,sci.environment
Subject: CFV: misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
Newsgroups line:
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper Technical topics in the pulp and paper industry.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>.
For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponents, James
and Yolanda Ruzicka <zukes@ix.netcom.com>.
RATIONALE
This is the rationale for the proposal as submitted by the proponent.
The RFD has developed 97% positive response for it's creation. In
addition to institutional organizations such as TAPPI, IPST, SUNY, UBC
representing thousands of papermakers, individuals from Europe, Asia,
Australia, the US and Canada have replied indicating support for such a
forum. Articles written in the trade journals have called for a newsgroup
to be formed for this industry. Support has come from outside the paper
industry as well, with suppliers to the industry and environmental concern
groups indicating a desire to participate. The formation of
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper will provide the worldwide access to
resources, needed and requested by the industry, that newsgroups were
intentioned for.
CHARTER
This is the newsgroup charter as submitted by the proponent.
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
This newsgroup will focus on technical areas of the pulp and paper
industry. Some possible areas of discussion would be: manufacturing,
process engineering (i.e.- coating, bleaching, deinking, etc), process
controls, design and project engineering, industry trends, safety and
environmental issues, maintenance, etc.
Since the primary focus on this group is technical discussions about
the industry, any discussion about any legal/moral issues (i.e. dioxins
polluting the environment, etc.) should be discussed elsewhere.
DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross-posted to:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.engr, sci.engr.chem,
sci.engr.mech, sci.engr.control, sci.engr.manufacturing, sci.environment
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
IMPORTANT: If anyone gave you a pre-completed ballot which did not leave the
voting choice up to you, you should modify the vote to reflect your choice of
YES, NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot. If you give anyone copies
of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled
in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud.
The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to
which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups, and the e-mail server at
<pulp-cfv-request@netagw.com>
The CFV server will return a copy of the CFV to the sender. Your message may
be left empty because any contents will be ignored.
HOW TO VOTE
Erase everything above the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" line and erase everything
below the "END OF BALLOT" line. Do not erase anything between these lines,
and do not change the group name. In other words, remove everything except
the ballot. It will be greatly appreciated by the votetaker if you do NOT
forward the entire CFV back to me--this mail is archived.
Give your name on the line that asks for it. To vote, place a YES in the
brackets to vote for it, or place a NO in the brackets to vote against it.
If you don't want to vote on the group, place an ABSTAIN in the brackets.
If you leave the bracket blank, your vote will be rejected for failure to
cast a vote. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote
characters (">") that your reply inserts.
Then MAIL the ballot to: <pulp-vote@netagw.com>
Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
Quick voting checklist:
1) Fill in the ballot form below. Don't forget to include your Real Name.
2) Delete everything but the ballot in your reply to this CFV.
3) Make sure your reply goes to <pulp-vote@netagw.com>.
===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ================
Please DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any of the information in this ballot.
Provide your name where asked, and insert your vote inside the bracket(s).
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper Ballot
<MIPP-0001> (Do not remove this marker!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Give your Real Name here (on this line) -->:
(If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected.)
[Your Vote] Group
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ ] misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line =======================
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES
Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote
counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with
an automated acknowledgement by e-mail. If you do not receive one within
several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly.
Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
If you later change your mind, you may vote again. To erase your vote and
eliminate your address and vote from the final results listing, vote again
using the CANCEL example shown above. Just be aware that duplicate votes
will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.
Anonymous votes will not be accepted. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are
considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the
voter to the votetaker).
Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely
(this is the only difference between the two).
In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard
operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.
There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which
the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.
The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
From bill@netagw.com Thu May 25 18:47:35 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.engr.chem,sci.engr.control,sci.engr.manufacturing,sci.engr.mech,sci.environment
Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
Supersedes: <misc.industry.pulp-and-paper-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
Newsgroups line:
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper Technical topics in the pulp and paper industry.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>.
For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponents, James
and Yolanda Ruzicka <zukes@ix.netcom.com>.
RATIONALE
This is the rationale for the proposal as submitted by the proponent.
The RFD has developed 97% positive response for it's creation. In
addition to institutional organizations such as TAPPI, IPST, SUNY, UBC
representing thousands of papermakers, individuals from Europe, Asia,
Australia, the US and Canada have replied indicating support for such a
forum. Articles written in the trade journals have called for a newsgroup
to be formed for this industry. Support has come from outside the paper
industry as well, with suppliers to the industry and environmental concern
groups indicating a desire to participate. The formation of
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper will provide the worldwide access to
resources, needed and requested by the industry, that newsgroups were
intentioned for.
CHARTER
This is the newsgroup charter as submitted by the proponent.
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
This newsgroup will focus on technical areas of the pulp and paper
industry. Some possible areas of discussion would be: manufacturing,
process engineering (i.e.- coating, bleaching, deinking, etc), process
controls, design and project engineering, industry trends, safety and
environmental issues, maintenance, etc.
Since the primary focus on this group is technical discussions about
the industry, any discussion about any legal/moral issues (i.e. dioxins
polluting the environment, etc.) should be discussed elsewhere.
DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross-posted to:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.engr, sci.engr.chem,
sci.engr.mech, sci.engr.control, sci.engr.manufacturing, sci.environment
OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV
IMPORTANT: If anyone gave you a pre-completed ballot which did not leave the
voting choice up to you, you should modify the vote to reflect your choice of
YES, NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot. If you give anyone copies
of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified. Distributing pre-filled
in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud.
The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to
which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups, and the e-mail server at
<pulp-cfv-request@netagw.com>
The CFV server will return a copy of the CFV to the sender. Your message may
be left empty because any contents will be ignored.
HOW TO VOTE
Erase everything above the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" line and erase everything
below the "END OF BALLOT" line. Do not erase anything between these lines,
and do not change the group name. In other words, remove everything except
the ballot. It will be greatly appreciated by the votetaker if you do NOT
forward the entire CFV back to me--this mail is archived.
Give your name on the line that asks for it. To vote, place a YES in the
brackets to vote for it, or place a NO in the brackets to vote against it.
If you don't want to vote on the group, place an ABSTAIN in the brackets.
If you leave the bracket blank, your vote will be rejected for failure to
cast a vote. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote
characters (">") that your reply inserts.
Then MAIL the ballot to: <pulp-vote@netagw.com>
Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
Quick voting checklist:
1) Fill in the ballot form below. Don't forget to include your Real Name.
2) Delete everything but the ballot in your reply to this CFV.
3) Make sure your reply goes to <pulp-vote@netagw.com>.
===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ================
*** PLEASE ***
DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any of the information in this ballot!
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper Ballot
<MIPP-0002> (Do not remove this marker!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Examples showing how to indicate your vote (DO NOT vote in this section):
[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and
indicate your desired vote in the following section:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Give your Real Name here (on this line) -->:
(If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected.)
---------------
Insert your vote inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below:
Your Vote Group
--------- -----
[ ] misc.industry.pulp-and-paper
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line =======================
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES
Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote
counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with
an automated acknowledgement by e-mail. If you do not receive one within
several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly.
Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.
If you later change your mind, you may vote again. To erase your vote and
eliminate your address and vote from the final results listing, vote again
using the CANCEL example shown above. Just be aware that duplicate votes
will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.
Anonymous votes will not be accepted. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are
considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the
voter to the votetaker).
Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely
(this is the only difference between the two).
In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard
operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.
There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which
the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed.
The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
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