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From disc@vector.casti.com Mon Mar 13 16:56:32 1995
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From: disc@vector.casti.com (David Casti)
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Subject: RFD: misc.industry.quality
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Request for Discussion (RFD)
Proposed Newsgroup: misc.industry.quality
Status: unmoderated
Distribution: worldwide
Summary: Discussion group for quality standards and issues
Proponents: David Casti <david@quality.org>
QUALITY List Editor <help@quality.org>
This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of an unmoderated
newsgroup for discussion of issues related to quality standards, such as
ISO-8402, the ISO-9000 series, and the ISO-10011/10012 series. The
purposes of this group include to alleviate the volume of traffic on the
QUALITY listserv (currently echoed into bit.listserv.quality), and to
bring discussions of quality to a broader community of Internet users.
This request has grown out of a conversation in the alt.config group about
the possibility of a alt.standards hierarchy. This RFD is issued for the
misc hierarchy instead of the alt hierarchy as the result of propogation
concerns by business users who do not have access to alt groups.
This is a Request for Discussion and is not a Call for Votes. The
discussion will last 3-4 weeks from this date (Friday 10 March 1995). Any
comments such as "I vote yes for misc.industry.quality" will be treated
only as a positive reaction to the proposed charter and not as a yes vote
on the creation of the group. If sufficient interest is demonstrated
during the discussion period, a formal CFV will be issued along with
instruction on how to cast your vote.
This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
Creation. Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs. The RFD is
being cross-posted to the following relevant news groups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.std.misc
sci.engr
Followups to this RFD are to be posted only to news.groups, where the
actual discussion is to take place.
PROPOSED CHARTER
The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the
intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and
standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000. Specific topics may
include, but are not necessarily limited to:
Assurance Testing
Performance Auditing
Process Control
Vocabulary
RATIONALE
The need for a forum to discuss quality standards on the Internet is
clear. As the network has grown in size, it has become an important way
for professionals and researchers to communicate with each other.
Although there are a large number of quality enthusiasts, academics, and
professionals online (as can be seen by the membership of only a single
mailing list on this topic), there are no public newsgroups available for
the discussion of quality standards. In fact, the only other forums for
discussions of standards appear to be in comp and sci. Quality standards
are designed to be applicable to the full range of activities -- and are
not specific to any one industry (e.g. computers and technology) or
discipline (e.g. science and engineering). They are equally applicable to
for-profit businesses and purely academic pursuits. For this reason, it
seems that the only appropriate location for this group is 'misc' (much
like the misc.jobs groups).
MAILING LISTS
The QUALITY listserv is currently hosted at pucc.princeton.edu and is
echoed into the bit.listserv.quality group. This list is moderated and
has more than 2000 members. This mailing list will continue to function
after the creation of the misc.standards.iso.quality group, but list
members will be encouraged to take ISO-specific conversations off of the
list and into the newsgroup.
PROCEDURE
Please post any response to this message to NEWS.GROUPS. If you use the
followup feature on your newsreader this should happen automatically. It
is important to understand that all discussions about the merits of this
proposal should occur on news.groups.
FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES
After a discussion period of 21-30 days, unless the discussion indicates a
need to resubmit a new RFD, there will be a Call For Votes (CFV) posted to
the same groups as this RFD. The voting period will be at least 21 days.
If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and (at
least) twice as many YES votes as NO votes, it will be created.
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From warren@syra.net Mon May 1 18:25:17 1995
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From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: CFV: misc.industry.quality
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group misc.industry.quality
Newsgroups line:
misc.industry.quality Quality standards and other issues.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <warren@Syra.NET>. For
questions about the proposed group contact David Casti
<david@quality.org>.
DISTRIBUTION
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ASQC-MQD@quality.org
CHARTER
The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the
intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and
standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000. Specific topics may
include, but are not necessarily limited to:
Assurance Testing
Performance Auditing
Process Control
Vocabulary
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
I vote YES on misc.industry.quality
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and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.
From warren@syra.net Sat May 13 00:06:31 1995
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From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.industry.quality
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group misc.industry.quality
Newsgroups line:
misc.industry.quality Quality standards and other issues.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <warren@Syra.NET>. For
questions about the proposed group contact David Casti
<david@quality.org>.
DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross-posted to:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.std.misc, sci.engr
and EMailed to
QUALITY-L <quality@pucc.princeton.edu>
TQM-D <tqm-d@quality.org>
ISO9000 <iso9000@wstout.nodak.edu>
TQM-L <tqm.list@tqm.permanent.org>
ASQC-MQD@quality.org
CHARTER
The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the
intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and
standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000. Specific topics may
include, but are not necessarily limited to:
Assurance Testing
Performance Auditing
Process Control
Vocabulary
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET
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Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
I vote YES on misc.industry.quality
I vote NO on misc.industry.quality
I vote ABSTAIN on misc.industry.quality
I CANCEL my vote on misc.industry.quality
Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
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vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)
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votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.
The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.
There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.
From warren@syra.net Thu May 25 18:47:45 1995
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From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee)
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Subject: RESULT: misc.industry.quality passes 164:17
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RESULT
unmoderated group misc.industry.quality passes 164:17
There were 164 YES votes and 17 NO votes, for a total of 181 valid votes.
There were 8 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
misc.industry.quality passed on Fri May 5 11:29:10 1995
Newsgroups line:
misc.industry.quality Quality standards and other issues.
This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <warren@Syra.NET>. For questions
about the proposed group contact David Casti <david@quality.org>.
CHARTER
The misc.industry.quality newsgroup will be open to discussion of the
intent, interpretation, and proper application of quality principles and
standards -- the most famous of which is ISO 9000. Specific topics may
include, but are not necessarily limited to:
Assurance Testing
Performance Auditing
Process Control
Vocabulary
[This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services.
Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to
make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings. Any other use is fine.]
misc.industry.quality Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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73763.3077@compuserve.com Ellen Domb
74541.3063@compuserve.com H.B. Scoggins
A.M.Wall@newcastle.ac.uk
aabad@inetnebr.com Autumn Koch
aad4397@dcmdsgd2.dcrt.dla.mil Cleo H Butcher
abirm@execpc.com Allen Birmingham
afargnol@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com Al Fargnoli
AHurden@scigen.co.uk
alfredo@iee.usp.br Alfredo R. Coelho
AMAYA@ACM.ORG AMAYA, MARK
andy.caunitis@canada.cdev.com Andy Caunitis
apetty@fusion.sim.es.com Annie Petty
apohlman@smtpgate.kofax.com Arline Pohlman
arj@q-labs.se Arne Johansson
bbkpndb@is001058.bell-atl.com Varad Rajan
bd@psy.uq.oz.au Bob Dick
bhanna@silcom.com Bruce Hanna
bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
blf@pact.srf.ac.uk Brian Foster
bob@dbs.com Robert Wise
BRANSON_JIM@hq.navsea.navy.mil
brashear@hooked.net Dessa Brashear
BROTHERTONT@NDU.EDU
burge@channelview.sedco-forex.slb.com Joe Burge
cdk@imta.com.au Colin Kemp
celia-modell@halcyon.com Celia Modell
cemkaner@netcom.com Cem Kaner
CLSMIT@ccmail.monsanto.com CAROL L SMITH
clstampe@mailbox.syr.edu Chris Stamper
coleman_de@atc.alcoa.com David Coleman
dan.r@ix.netcom.com Dan Rothschild
Dana_Lakeman_at_AIR300@mail.hq.faa.gov
David.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk
David_T._Novick@ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com David T. Novick
dbarney@cc.hq.nasa.gov dbarney
dblair@ix.netcom.com Doug Blair
DBSHARP@aol.com
DEWOLF@ccmail.monsanto.com DAVID E WOLFERSBERGER
disc@casti.com David Casti
don@imta.com.au Don
dougy@concentra.com Doug Lethin
dtholder@chiba.netxn.com D holder
ECAXRON@ARIEL.LERC.NASA.GOV Ron Graham
EchlinE@crl1.crl.aecl.ca Echlin, Elizabeth
eeijky@eei.ericsson.se John Kiely
eganin@hi.com Eldad Ganin
egodair@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL Elizabeth J. Godair
emerson.george@gene.com George Emerson
eratiro@era.eua.ericsson.se Tina Romi Z/UB
escuder@bnr.ca manuel (m.) escuder
EUMS68B@prodigy.com MS LOIS S WALKER
e_media@cais.cais.com E-Media
fmalinow@pppl.gov Frank Malinowski
fscavo@ix.netcom.com Frank Scavo
gaf@cam.ov.com Gary A Feldman
gee@geesys.GUN.de Juergen Geer
gpeterso@lynx.dac.neu.edu Ginny Peterson
gradigsr@simba.lejonet.se Goran Sander
griffinp@dircon.co.uk Peter Griffin
gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu Brennan Tennesen Price
hahedke@mmm.com Herman A. Hedke
HARI_P1@blrv1.verifone.com P. HARI PRASAD, BLR, APPL DEV, #2441, 91-80-2269
hco@q-labs.se Henrik Cosmo
helios@netcom.com Thomas David Nichols
henry@optec.army.mil henry
Hrb@aol.com
JabeBailey@aol.com
JBERGERSEN@china.qgraph.com BPR PROJECT MANAGER (414) 246-7705
jchamber@crl.com John L. Chambers
JIMD@ies.ncsu.edu Jim Daggerhart
jobe_james%hq2ccgw.hq.dla.mil@hq.dla.mil jobe_james
joe@decoy.uoregon.edu Joe St Sauver
JOES@rsa.cirrus.com
john.gancz@cdc.com
johnsonp@optec.army.mil johnsonp
jonboy@io.org Jonboy
josh@fuentez.com Joshua Silverman
jparnes@advcom.com Jeff Parnes
jr@world.std.com Johanna Rothman
Jvade@ra1.randomc.com
KARENLAM@SILVIA.HELSINKI.FI PETRI KARENLAMPI
kathywag@is.alltel.com Kathy Wagenknecht
kblair@attmail.com Kathy D Blair
kenneth.gimmi@sbaonline.gov
kr@iok.unit.no Kirsten Rognstad
kraby@cariv.ang.af.mil Kenny Raby
lancon.kenneth@gtefsd.com Lancon Kenneth
lgeoffrion@ccmail.eo.ray.com Geoffrion, Louis P
Linda_Soulcheck@advcom.com Linda Soulcheck
lindsays@gsimail.ddn.mil Scott Lindsay
LONGK@LEAV-EMH.ARMY.MIL Long, Kenneth CPT
M.A.Jalani@ftel.co.uk Anwar Jalani
M186615%SLVMA.profs@mdcgwy.mdc.com
maline@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu P. Malinee
MARFER@altima.westfalen.de Martin Ferus
mario@minmet.uq.oz.au Mario Pennisi
matt@perutz.salk.edu Matthew Bowen Harrington
mdumas@riq.qc.ca Martin Dumas
metars@metars.donetsk.ua Roman Shevgalishin
MHILLS@jcpenney.com
Mike_Keenan@HP-USA-om31.om.hp.com
mikni@eki.liu.se Mikael Nilsson
miles@mail.utexas.edu Miles Abernathy
monsour@sfu.ca Rachel Monsour
mwurtzel@bev.etn.com Wurtzel, Marvin
NAGARAJ_M1@blrv1.verifone.com M C Nagaraj, USD, BLR, EXTN 2432
ndallen@io.org Nigel Allen
nebiker@cod.nosc.mil Ralph R. NEBIKER
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri
nicklow@smtpgw.uavsd.trw.com Vern Nicklow
Nickols@aol.com
nigel@fleet.u-net.com N Walcot
nmc3kas@bms220.med.navy.mil CAPT Ken St. Andre
npro@crl.com Daniel Burnstein
NPSES@ccmail.ceco.com EVERETT E. SPITZNER
p.bootsma@icce.rug.nl
pbinckly@oerlikon.ca
pbowen@lorien.commerce.uq.edu.au Paul Bowen
pdb@citr.uq.oz.au Peter Barnes
pdecker@lds.loral.com Philip Decker
PHYLLIS.W.WANG@cdev.com Phyllis W Wang
preecs@ix.netcom.com Chuck Preecs
PREMONTM@WOOD-VINES.ARMY.MIL MR MARK PREMONT
pstein@measurement.com Philip Stein
qgc1456@dcro3.dcro.dla.mil Jack Vogel
rickyb@ix.netcom.com Richard Bridgan
rizzo@hogpa.ho.att.com Anthony R Rizzo
rluttman@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu Bob Luttman
rsnyder@infi.net Ron Snyder
rtusler@cix.compulink.co.uk Robert Tusler
rtw@mtuxj.att.com Richard T Wurth
rws@SEI.CMU.EDU Robert Stoddard
S.W.Tan@massey.ac.nz S.W. Tan
sandmann@clio.rice.edu Charles Sandmann
SAP0215@sperry.mhs.compuserve.com Paquin, Sherry A.
sasbmt@unx.sas.com Bruce Tindall
sherer@STARS.Ballston.UnisysGSG.COM Wayne Sherer
sjs@sunthing.sjsinc.com Stefan Jon Silverman
stangle@infi.net Tom Stangler
steevy@ix.netcom.com Steevy
steven@catbk.demon.co.uk Steven Carpenter
stewart_sharon@po.gis.prc.com Stewart Sharon
stl-4-14!pi309-2 Student 3.Stj
stucke@aurora.liunet.edu
sundown@worldaccess.nl Michel Landman
tait@montrouge.sedco-forex.slb.com Stuart Tait
tenzil@io.com James Kiley
tfoelker@efn.org Tim Foelker
tgm@netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams
Tom
Tony.Baxter@Bristol.ac.uk Tony Baxter
Tony_R._Araujo@mail.magic.ca Tony R. Araujo
tt@approve.se Tomas Tauber
u22401@ASP.MORTONINTL.COM JOHN DODWELL
U326@sysm.acs.virginia.edu ELIZABETH HARPER
Valda_Branson@unixgate.gtsi.com Valda Branson
WallyHud@aol.com
WALSHEKM@css.bham.ac.uk Kieran Walshe
wfquigley@CCGATE.HAC.COM
white@mustang.nrl.navy.mil White
wml@SEI.CMU.EDU Walter M. Lamia 412.268.3443
WMY%GIZMO@RCC.RTI.ORG BILL YEAGER X6287
wsmith@rosharon.wireline.slb.com Wayne Smith
young@radstone.co.uk Mick Young
Voted No
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agc@VNET.IBM.COM
archer@frmug.fr.net Vincent Archer
cbaker@wam.umd.edu C. Douglas Baker
ewl@panix.com Emery Lapinski
jbolerja@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us Jerry L. Bolerjack
jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
moss@bastille.cchem.berkeley.edu David Maurice
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
pierre@shell.portal.com Pierre Uszynski
radrayer@panix.com Rebecca Drayer
rew@CrystalData.COM Ryan Waldron
Richard.Castro@West.Sun.COM Rick Castro - Western Area Program Manager 909-
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
robsmith@u.washington.edu Robert P. Smith
smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
widenius@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius
Abstained
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bnielsen@logicon.com Nielsen, Bill
CDH3%TesMs%Gsv@bangate.pge.com
crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com Kenneth P Crouch
ecjurkoshek@CCGATE.HAC.COM
mmt@RedBrick.COM M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS
otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu M. `Quality time' Otto
Phil_Flories-R13303@email.sps.mot.com
sjsmith@cs.UMD.EDU Stephen Joseph Smith
Votes in error
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