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Name: Misc.legal.moderated
Status: Moderated. Larry Kolodney, aka lkk@panix.com, has
volunteered to serve as initial moderator.
Charter: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and
legal theory. It is recognized that these are
contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's
domain varies from country to country. The group is
intended to provide a home for well-tempered
discussions including, but not limited to:
1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to
court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive
actions with legal implications.
2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and
rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national
(e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/
departmental, and local/communal.
3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal'
content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to
achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or
constitutional amendment).
4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of
legal interpretation and thought.
5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary
work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars.
6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal
professionals, both in public and private life, and of their
associates and matters relating to the role of law and
lawyers in society.
7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have
encountered that may be of interest to the legal community.
8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners
concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the
police, the courts or other entities which administer the
legal system.
9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of
employment for lawyers and other legal professionals.
10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific
factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies
to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes
it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**.
11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage
a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail.
Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice
obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost
never a good substitute for direct consultation with an
attorney.
12. Legal humor.
The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a
preference ordering among the various topics.
The role of the Moderator
=========================
13. Although no legal relationships are created by this
document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or
he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and
posting to the group.
14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will
not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule.
This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from
publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy
organizations which provide legal counseling and
representation.
15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when
discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will
close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the
group when taking such actions. The moderator will request
voluntary compliance before taking such actions.
16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders,
perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup,
if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly
belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the
moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when
there exists another group in which the thread appears to
belong.
17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are
disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular
laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated
by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political
issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference
to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator
will enforce this rule.
18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts
containing factual assertions about the current state of the
law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the
moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of
the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify
the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and
is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of
any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post.
This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a
manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to
be presented.
19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are
unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on
previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise
this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement
with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as
the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or
opinion expressed in that post.
Moderator Selection and Replacement
===================================
20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may
resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the
group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly
transition.
21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve
for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The
moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two
months per calendar year.
22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators
may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving
moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators
are active at any one time. Moderators may share their
duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among
the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in
cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all
the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple
moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above
paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively
if the context permits.
23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole
moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are
requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group
when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator
may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators,
choose not to appoint a successor.
Amending This Charter
=====================
24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the
procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation.
--
Bernie Cosell cosell@world.std.com
Fantasy Farm Fibers, Pearisburg, VA (703) 921-2358
From bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Tue Oct 12 15:07:26 1993
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From: bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)
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Subject: CFV: misc.legal.moderated moderated
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (1st of 2)
Moderated group misc.legal.moderated
misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated)
Larry Kolodney <lkk@panix.com> has volunteered to serve as the inital moderator
for misc.legal.moderated.
Votes must be recieved by 23:59 GMT, 2 Nov 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Voting questions
should be directed to Ed Bailey <bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu>. For questions
about the proposed group, contact Bernie Cosell <cosell@world.std.com>.
CHARTER and DISCUSSION
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Name: Misc.legal.moderated
Status: Moderated. Larry Kolodney, aka lkk@panix.com, has
volunteered to serve as initial moderator.
Charter: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and
legal theory. It is recognized that these are
contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's
domain varies from country to country. The group is
intended to provide a home for well-tempered
discussions including, but not limited to:
1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to
court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive
actions with legal implications.
2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and
rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national
(e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/
departmental, and local/communal.
3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal'
content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to
achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or
constitutional amendment).
4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of
legal interpretation and thought.
5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary
work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars.
6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal
professionals, both in public and private life, and of their
associates and matters relating to the role of law and
lawyers in society.
7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have
encountered that may be of interest to the legal community.
8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners
concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the
police, the courts or other entities which administer the
legal system.
9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of
employment for lawyers and other legal professionals.
10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific
factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies
to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes
it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**.
11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage
a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail.
Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice
obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost
never a good substitute for direct consultation with an
attorney.
12. Legal humor.
The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a
preference ordering among the various topics.
The role of the Moderator
=========================
13. Although no legal relationships are created by this
document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or
he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and
posting to the group.
14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will
not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule.
This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from
publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy
organizations which provide legal counseling and
representation.
15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when
discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will
close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the
group when taking such actions. The moderator will request
voluntary compliance before taking such actions.
16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders,
perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup,
if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly
belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the
moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when
there exists another group in which the thread appears to
belong.
17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are
disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular
laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated
by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political
issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference
to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator
will enforce this rule.
18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts
containing factual assertions about the current state of the
law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the
moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of
the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify
the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and
is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of
any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post.
This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a
manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to
be presented.
19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are
unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on
previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise
this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement
with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as
the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or
opinion expressed in that post.
Moderator Selection and Replacement
===================================
20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may
resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the
group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly
transition.
21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve
for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The
moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two
months per calendar year.
22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators
may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving
moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators
are active at any one time. Moderators may share their
duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among
the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in
cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all
the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple
moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above
paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively
if the context permits.
23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole
moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are
requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group
when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator
may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators,
choose not to appoint a successor.
Amending This Charter
=====================
24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the
procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
voting@calvin.ph.utexas.edu
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail
message should contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on misc.legal.moderated
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single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain"
vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no".
You should receive an acknowledgement (via email) of your vote within
one to three days. Additional CFVs will NOT include mass ACKs, only
ACKs for undeliverable mail.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.
This vote will be counted using Ron Dippold's UseVote software, version 2.*.
This vote is conducted by a member of the Usenet Volunteer Voters.
Ed Bailey
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From bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Mon Oct 25 19:21:58 1993
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SECOND AND FINAL CALL FOR VOTES (2nd of 2)
Moderated group misc.legal.moderated
misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated)
Larry Kolodney <lkk@panix.com> has volunteered to serve as the inital moderator
for misc.legal.moderated.
Votes must be recieved by 23:59 GMT, 2 Nov 1993.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Voting questions
should be directed to Ed Bailey <bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu>. For questions
about the proposed group, contact Bernie Cosell <cosell@world.std.com>.
CHARTER and DISCUSSION
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Name: Misc.legal.moderated
Status: Moderated. Larry Kolodney, aka lkk@panix.com, has
volunteered to serve as initial moderator.
Charter: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and
legal theory. It is recognized that these are
contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's
domain varies from country to country. The group is
intended to provide a home for well-tempered
discussions including, but not limited to:
1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to
court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive
actions with legal implications.
2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and
rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national
(e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/
departmental, and local/communal.
3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal'
content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to
achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or
constitutional amendment).
4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of
legal interpretation and thought.
5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary
work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars.
6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal
professionals, both in public and private life, and of their
associates and matters relating to the role of law and
lawyers in society.
7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have
encountered that may be of interest to the legal community.
8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners
concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the
police, the courts or other entities which administer the
legal system.
9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of
employment for lawyers and other legal professionals.
10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific
factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies
to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes
it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**.
11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage
a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail.
Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice
obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost
never a good substitute for direct consultation with an
attorney.
12. Legal humor.
The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a
preference ordering among the various topics.
The role of the Moderator
=========================
13. Although no legal relationships are created by this
document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or
he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and
posting to the group.
14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will
not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule.
This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from
publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy
organizations which provide legal counseling and
representation.
15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when
discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will
close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the
group when taking such actions. The moderator will request
voluntary compliance before taking such actions.
16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders,
perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup,
if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly
belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the
moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when
there exists another group in which the thread appears to
belong.
17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are
disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular
laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated
by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political
issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference
to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator
will enforce this rule.
18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts
containing factual assertions about the current state of the
law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the
moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of
the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify
the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and
is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of
any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post.
This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a
manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to
be presented.
19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are
unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on
previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise
this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement
with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as
the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or
opinion expressed in that post.
Moderator Selection and Replacement
===================================
20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may
resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the
group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly
transition.
21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve
for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The
moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two
months per calendar year.
22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators
may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving
moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators
are active at any one time. Moderators may share their
duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among
the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in
cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all
the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple
moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above
paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively
if the context permits.
23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole
moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are
requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group
when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator
may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators,
choose not to appoint a successor.
Amending This Charter
=====================
24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the
procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation.
STANDARD VOTING INFO
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
voting@calvin.ph.utexas.edu
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail
message should contain one and only one of the following statements:
I vote YES on misc.legal.moderated
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I vote NO on misc.legal.moderated
You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain"
vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no".
You should receive an acknowledgement (via email) of your vote within
one to three days. Additional CFVs will NOT include mass ACKs, only
ACKs for undeliverable mail.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.
This vote will be counted using Ron Dippold's UseVote software, version 2.*.
This vote is conducted by a member of the Usenet Volunteer Voters.
BOUNCED VOTE ACKS
Vote acknowledgements sent to the following addresses have bounced. These
votes *have* been counted, but I have been unable to reply to their mail.
If you voted, but you have NOT received an ACK *and* your name is NOT listed
below, then your vote was probably lost somewhere in the ether. Please
send another vote to voting@calvin.ph.utexas.edu.
Voter: DBI_1TDELAAF@kub.nl
Voter: kmc@netcom.com
Voter: megatek!cjp@uunet.UU.NET
Voter: alcassel@crl.com
Voter: kristina@crl.com
Voter: stack@informix.com
Voter: btgls@lix.compulink.co.uk
The following people have sent malformed ballots which have not been
superceded by a Yes, No, or Abstain vote. These people should revote.
A: maus@fid.morgan.com
A: stmons00@mik.uky.edu
A: 0005402089@mcimail.com
A: shalpern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
A: LAALBERT@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
A: nelsoal@anubis.network.com
A: wellsv@Sonoma.EDU
Ed Bailey
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Inst. for Fusion Studies | Internet: bailey@{hagar,ziggy}.ph.utexas.edu,
Univ. of Texas at Austin | u70262@c.nersc.gov, or pnab643@chpc.utexas.edu
Austin TX 78712 | "No pithy quotes. Just email addresses."
From bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Thu Nov 11 10:23:00 1993
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From: bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.legal,misc.legal.computing,misc.int-property,comp.patents,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.privacy
Subject: RESULT: misc.legal.moderated moderated passes 305:20
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RESULT
Moderated group misc.legal.moderated
Newsgroups line:
misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated)
UseVote 2.0a Vote Count - (c) 1993 Ron Dippold
misc.legal.moderated group vote results - 325 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
305 20 : Yes Yes : Yes : misc.legal.moderated
Voting on misc.legal.moderated closed on November 2nd, 23:59 GMT.
348 total votes were received. 17 votes were discarded as duplicates.
6 invalid votes were not superceded.
Barring any serious irregularities in the voting process, the vote
should be newgrouped after five days.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions
only, contact Ed Bailey <bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu>. For questions about
the proposed group, contact Bernie Cosell <cosell@world.std.com>.
Larry Kolodney <lkk@panix.com> has volunteered to serve as the inital moderator
for misc.legal.moderated.
CHARTER and DISCUSSION
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Name: Misc.legal.moderated
Status: Moderated. Larry Kolodney, aka lkk@panix.com, has
volunteered to serve as initial moderator.
Charter: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and
legal theory. It is recognized that these are
contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's
domain varies from country to country. The group is
intended to provide a home for well-tempered
discussions including, but not limited to:
1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to
court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive
actions with legal implications.
2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and
rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national
(e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/
departmental, and local/communal.
3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal'
content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to
achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or
constitutional amendment).
4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of
legal interpretation and thought.
5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary
work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars.
6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal
professionals, both in public and private life, and of their
associates and matters relating to the role of law and
lawyers in society.
7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have
encountered that may be of interest to the legal community.
8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners
concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the
police, the courts or other entities which administer the
legal system.
9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of
employment for lawyers and other legal professionals.
10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific
factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies
to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes
it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**.
11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage
a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail.
Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice
obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost
never a good substitute for direct consultation with an
attorney.
12. Legal humor.
The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a
preference ordering among the various topics.
The role of the Moderator
=========================
13. Although no legal relationships are created by this
document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or
he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and
posting to the group.
14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will
not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule.
This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from
publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy
organizations which provide legal counseling and
representation.
15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when
discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will
close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the
group when taking such actions. The moderator will request
voluntary compliance before taking such actions.
16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders,
perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup,
if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly
belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the
moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when
there exists another group in which the thread appears to
belong.
17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are
disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular
laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated
by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political
issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference
to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator
will enforce this rule.
18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts
containing factual assertions about the current state of the
law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the
moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of
the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify
the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and
is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of
any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post.
This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a
manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to
be presented.
19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are
unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on
previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise
this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement
with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as
the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or
opinion expressed in that post.
Moderator Selection and Replacement
===================================
20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may
resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the
group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly
transition.
21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve
for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The
moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two
months per calendar year.
22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators
may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving
moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators
are active at any one time. Moderators may share their
duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among
the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in
cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all
the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple
moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above
paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively
if the context permits.
23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole
moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are
requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group
when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator
may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators,
choose not to appoint a successor.
Amending This Charter
=====================
24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the
procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation.
misc.legal.moderated group vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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00mtklein@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
30BAKER@CUA.EDU
3ARB@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
7CCARR@jmls.edu
7CPETERS@jmls.edu
7DSORKIN@jmls.edu David E. Sorkin
7MHEYMAN@jmls.edu
ABDUL@themis.law.warwick.ac.uk Abdul Paliwala
acbonin@unix.amherst.edu Adam Bonin
ae446@freenet.carleton.ca Nigel Allen
ahbroome@quint.win.net Adam H. Broome
alan@rcp.co.uk Alan Stokes
alcassel@crl.com Alan L. Cassel
amb@nic.inter.net andrew m. boardman
andy@vistachrome.com Andrew Finkenstadt
ao443@yfn.ysu.edu Brennan T. Price
apfeffer@skidmore.EDU alan pfeffer
APS6409@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Andrew Stone
ault@cs.albany.edu
a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com Arthur Rubin
bajones@emx.cc.utexas.edu Becky Jones
ballardlib@shrsys.hslc.org
ballen@research.westlaw.com Bob Allen
batoor@netcom.com Bruce Toor
bawolk@ucdavis.edu
bertram_bruce@mm.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com Bruce Bertram
bill@guest.adelaide.edu.au Bill McFarlane
bill@hibp1.ecse.rpi.edu Bill
bj@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
BKAUFFMA@macc.wisc.edu Blair Kauffman
bmm2012@tamsun.tamu.edu Brian Mcdaniel
boyd@CC.MsState.Edu Boyd Nation
bradford@unlinfo.unl.edu steve bradford
Brendan.McCullagh@m.cc.utah.edu Brendan P. McCullagh
bs@linus.mitre.org
btgls@lix.compulink.co.uk BT Group Legal Services
burchard@access.digex.net Laura Burchard
bwc2809@support7.draper.com Barry W. Chapin x2809
BWILLIAM@umiami.ir.miami.edu
C53004NB@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu
cambler@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu
cbouldin@crash.cts.com Charles Bouldin
CBRADLEY@umiami.ir.miami.edu Caroline Bradley
cburley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Craig William BURLEY
cepetit@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu C. E. Petit
cgw121f@CSM560.smsu.edu Wickham Cameron G
charette@ERE.UMontreal.CA Frederick Charette
charles@dev.prodigy.com Charles R. Emmons
CHATHAM@utkvx.utk.edu Richard D Chatham
childers@gab.unt.edu JAMES CHILDERS
chip@chinacat.unicom.com Chip Rosenthal
chuahl@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Chua Hak Lien
chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov Charles Cilek
CIGS13@vaxa.strathclyde.ac.uk Adam Gilinsky
ckk@uchicago.edu Christopher K. Koenigsberg
cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Chris Siebenmann
coleman@cstp.umkc.edu Mike Coleman
cosell@world.std.com Bernie Cosell
CREGAN@ocs1.ocs.mq.edu.au Caroline Regan
csimoni@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Chris Simoni
CURRIER@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Barry Currier, U. Florida College of Law
DABRAHAM@UMIAMIVM.IR.MIAMI.EDU
David.T.Link.1@nd.edu DEAN LINK
david@swarb.demon.co.uk David Swarbrick
dbd@panacea.phys.utk.edu Buckaroo
DBI_1TDELAAF@kub.nl Toon de Laaf DBI
dbrown@ai.uga.edu Daniel Brown [MSAI]
dbrown@cgs.c4.gmeds.com Dave Brown
DBURK@gmuvax.gmu.edu DAN L. BURK
ddb@anubis.network.com David Dyer-Bennet
DDF2@cornell.edu David Friedman
destro@law.cua.edu Robert Destro
dfl@panix.com Danny O'Bedlam
dhesi@cirrus.com Rahul Dhesi
dnmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu David Neal Miller
don@blkhole.resun.com Don Phillips
dq@world.std.com decisionquest inc
dr-dyhr@rain.com Thomas Dyhr
draack@crassus.onu.edu DAVID RAACK
drears@Pica.Army.Mil Dennis G. Rears
DREITMAN@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be
dunne-bob@CS.YALE.EDU Robert Dunne
dwarner@crassus.onu.edu David Warner
easleast@ube.ub.umd.edu
ebweb@netcom.com Eberhard E.H. Weber
eck@panix.com Mark Eckenwiler
epperson@evolve.win.net Mark Epperson
epstein@watson.ibm.com David A. Epstein (914-784-5031 T/L 863)
erichard@medlaw.win.net Edward P. Richards
erikro@jus.uio.no Erik R|s{g
faruq@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Faruq abd ul-Rafi
FAW@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU
FBUCKLEY@gmuvax.gmu.edu FRANCIS BUCKLEY
FINKEND@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU Nick Finke
fjmd1@cus.cam.ac.uk Francis Davey
francine@lawmail.law.columbia.edu Francine Alfandary
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin
Fred_Berg@qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu Fred Berg
froomkin@netcom.com Snoop
fuzzys@sage.cc.purdue.edu Steve
fzimmerm@mail.ciesin.org Fred Zimmerman
g794904@gillikin.oz.nthu.edu.tw SERENDIPITOUS
GARCES@law.uoregon.edu Vic Garces
gary.gott@thor.law.und.nodak.edu Gary Gott
gmills@library.Berkeley.EDU Grace Mills
goldberg@law.cua.edu Mark Goldberg
graham@maxwell.ee.washington.edu Steve Graham
greg@ideath.goldenbear.com Greg Broiles
gspear+@CMU.EDU Geoffrey Spear
h.a.ritsema@bdk.rug.nl Henk Ritsema
HARVEY@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU James Harvey
hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu Robert A. Hayden
HBOADWEE@delphi.com
hm@libserver.canberra.edu.au Hugh Malcolm
hollaar@ursa10.cs.utah.edu Lee Hollaar
hpa@nwu.edu H. Peter Anvin N9ITP
ilana@niwot.scd.ucar.EDU Ilana Stern
int127y@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au Brendan Quinn
jan@bagend.atl.ga.us Jan Isley
JBONINE@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU John Bonine
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU James Alexander Chokey
JCPatric@world.std.com Jonathan C Patrick
jeremy@ai.mit.edu Jeremy M. Wertheimer
jfc@MIT.EDU John Carr
jgray@hcia.com John Gray
jhughes@techbook.com John Hughes
JHUMBACH@genesis.Law.Pace.Edu John A. Humbach
jjacobs@bsouth12.amsinc.com John Jacobs
jjl@panix.com J. J. Larrea
jking@panix.com Joe King
jleonard@crassus.onu.edu JAMES LEONARD
jlpicard@austin.ibm.com Craig Becker
joe@decoy.uoregon.edu Joe St Sauver
julie.wise@cld9.com Julie Wise
junger@samsara.law.cwru.edu Peter D. Junger
kadie@eff.org Carl M. Kadie
KAOKI@law.uoregon.edu Keith Aoki
kc4001@sol1.solinet.net Joseph H. Orth a.k.a.
kfrazer@is.internic.net Karen D. Frazer
king@reasoning.com
kmc@netcom.com Kevin McCarty
KMENTOR@SUVM.SYR.EDU
kmortens@ming.vill.edu Kenneth Mortensen
knauer@ibeam.intel.com Rob Knauerhase
kristina@crl.com Kristina Ramos
L15D@ZFN.uni-Bremen.de Martin Schr"oder
LAALBERT@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu LEE
lane@DUPHY4.Physics.Drexel.Edu Charles Lane
laszlo_s@postoffice.utas.edu.au Laszlo Schuster
laura@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Laura K Koepnick
LAWADM@LIBRARY.CPL.ORG
lawbbs@legal.com Legal Recourse[tm], Palo Alto,
lburnet@eis.calstate.edu Lynn Barkley Burnett
lcoit@netcom.com Larry Coit - EPRI
lef@sytex.com Lori Fox
levin@BBN.COM Joel B Levin
ljensen@netcom.com Colin Jensen
lkk@panix.com Larry Kolodney
llenn@atldbs.dbsoftware.com Larry J Lennhoff
llobenhofer@crassus.onu.edu LOUIS LOBENHOFER
llou@midway.uchicago.edu Lyonette Louis-Jacques
lmk3@Lehigh.EDU Linda M. Kreitz
LOCKHART@uci.edu Jack C. LOCKHART
lonadar@judy.indstate.edu Lonadar the Wanderer
lrudolph@black.clarku.edu Lee Rudolph
LUNDL%ULVACS.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU
lvaughn@u.washington.edu Lea Vaughn
Lynn.Talit@mail.trincoll.edu
LYON_JIM@tandem.com
M.Eetgerink@cc.ruu.nl eetgerin
mackaay@DROIT.UMontreal.CA Ejan Mackaay
manaster@yu1.yu.edu Chaim Manaster
Mandi.Haynes@law.utas.edu.au
Mark.Gould@bristol.ac.uk Mark Gould
markc@citi.umich.edu Mark Carter
market@mvision.com MARKET LOGIN
markg@ichips.intel.com Mark Gonzales
masinter@alpha.acast.nova.edu Michael MASINTER
maury@turing.eecs.uic.edu Maurine Neiberg
mayer@acuson.com Ron Mayer
mcdaniel@panix.com Sonja McDaniels
mckenney@GAUSS.CIMS.NYU.EDU Alan M. McKenney
mckenney@skyros.ma30.bull.com Roland F. McKenney
mcronin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Michael T Cronin
megatek!cjp@uunet.UU.NET Chris "Systems Stud" Pikus
mfreed@nwu.edu Mayer Freed
MFROOMKI@umiami.ir.miami.edu Michael Froomkin
mgiangr@emx.cc.utexas.edu Mark Giangrande
MIKEF@BROWNVM.brown.edu Mike Fessler
mintz@hpinpcb.cup.hp.com Ken Mintz
mitchell@panix.com Paul Mitchell
mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu Mark-Jason Dominus
mjensen@access.digex.net MPJensen
mkavanaugh@BIX.com
MMIROW@UMIAMIVM.IR.MIAMI.EDU
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
mnash@ida.org Mike Nash
mnemonic@eff.org Mike Godwin
moe@netcom.com Morris Bisted
mrussell@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA Moira Russell
msb@sq.com
msh@world.std.com Mark S Halperin
mughal@alumni.cco.caltech.edu A. M. Mughal
MWETZLER@delphi.com
niels@lofgren.demon.co.uk "Niels M. Sampath
noe@uidaho.edu Christopher J. Noe
obrien@netcom.com No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
ogilvy@law.cua.edu Sandy Ogilvy
parkx003@maroon.tc.umn.edu Roger Park
partin@class.org Dickinson School of Law
patton@panix.com Stephen M. Patton
paul@poboy.b17c.ingr.com Paul Robichaux
pearson@minerva.cis.yale.edu John Pearson
perkins@lib.wfunet.wfu.edu john perkins
phoffman@netcom.com Paul E. Hoffman
pjs@uwasa.fi Peik J Stromsholm
pl0124@psilink.com Steven C. Perkins
Poh.York.Lee@lib.monash.edu.au
PONEIL@genesis.Law.Pace.Edu
poulind@DROIT.UMontreal.CA Daniel Poulin
power@access.digex.net Bill Watts
PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU Cal
psoreide@class.org Gibson
quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn
raicu@netcom.com Eugen Raicu
rand@seq1.loc.gov Richard A. Anderson
rc@xis.xerox.com Robert Cooperman
rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu Mr. Nice Guy
rdumas@MIT.EDU Robin Dumas
REISCHER@HULAW1.HARVARD.EDU BRIDGET REISCHER
renevitz@library.sdsu.edu Lou Renevitz
revu@midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil "Mr. Bubbles" Revuluri
rfriedla@brynmawr.edu
RGLAZIER@delphi.com
Richard_Blumberg@pol.com
richmond@atria.com Mark Richmond
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rjk@telcomlaw.win.net Robert J. Keller
rlcarr@animato.network23.com Rich Carreiro
RPARLIN@umiami.ir.miami.edu
rpritz@mindvox.phantom.com Richard Pritz
rrb@deja-vu.aiss.uiuc.edu RRB
RROSEN@UMIAMIVM.IR.MIAMI.EDU
rshvern@mason1.gmu.edu .
rsolomon@merle.acns.nwu.edu Rayman L. Solomon
rufinus@vsuw03.cern.ch JEFFREY RUFINUS, U.WISCONSIN - CERN
ryanl@alm.admin.usfca.edu Lee Ryan
safdas@moose.is.gs.com Shabbir J. Safdar
Salter@world.std.com Sarah W Salter
sasbmt@unx.sas.com Bruce Tindall
sbarber@panix.com Steve Barber
sce1001@cus.cam.ac.uk S.C. Evans
scheid@copland.jpl.nasa.gov Bob Scheid
schorsch@plains.NoDak.edu Bart Schorsch
sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Stuart P. Derby
seh@gnu.ai.mit.edu
sethb@panix.com Seth Breidbart
sethg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Seth Gordon
sherry@maroon.tc.umn.edu Suzanna Sherry
shostrom@alm.admin.usfca.edu Marian Shostrom
simon@socs.uts.EDU.AU Simon Klassen
simona@panix.com Simona Nass
SKELLER@umiami.ir.miami.edu SHARON KELLER
SKLEIN@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu Sandra Klein
slaw@epas.utoronto.ca Stephen Law
SM0864%SPRINGB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu John Woods
smccabe@ecn.purdue.edu Sarah A McCabe
SPILLENG@125law1.law.ucla.edu clyde spillenger
stack@informix.com Bill Stackhouse
stc@panix.com steven cherry
stephen.nicoud@boeing.com Stephen L Nicoud
Steve.Dever@Eng.Sun.COM Steve Dever
steven.guralnick@toadhall.com Steven Guralnick
Styliano@world.std.com Thomas Stylianos
swh10@central-unix-service.cambridge.ac.uk S.W. Hedley
syvinski@badlands.NoDak.edu The RushClone
SZORN@genesis.Law.Pace.Edu Steve Zorn
tammyt@sco.COM tammy taylor
TAT@yvax.byu.edu
tdc@world.std.com Terry D Condren
tfalk@umich.edu Tatiana Falk
thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Ted Frank
THOMASG@maroon.tc.umn.edu Thomas D.Gasser
thssno@iitmax.acc.iit.edu Neil R. Ormos
tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com Terry Carroll
tjc@acsu.buffalo.edu Thomas J. Corsalini
tomb@bedford.progress.COM Tom Barringer
tschmeli@skidmore.EDU
tww@beach.cis.ufl.edu Thompkins W White
U15289%UICVM@UIC.EDU Mitch Pravatiner
VTHOMAS@UMIAMIVM.IR.MIAMI.EDU
WALTERP@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
was2@midway.uchicago.edu Bill Schwesig
wass@access.digex.net Michael Wasserman
wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu David Lesher
wbridge@sun.cis.smu.edu William J. Bridge
weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de
weeksl@palm.cray.com Larry Weeks
wheeler@ipl.rpi.edu Frederick Wheeler
wrightr@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu ron wright
yadallee@galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Shariff Yadallee
YBMCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Ben Yalow
YJONES@umiami.ir.miami.edu
ZAD@FACULTY.LAW.DUKE.EDU Dick Danner
zierdt@badlands.NoDak.edu Candace Zierdt
No Votes
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brown@quorum.com Robert E. Brown
cheah@cs.columbia.edu Po Shan Cheah
COLIN@themis.law.warwick.ac.uk Colin Shaw
dcameron@gssec.bt.co.uk David Cameron
deand@lore.kla.com Dean Dierschow x6528
dhzavatson@ucdavis.edu
don@biivax.dp.BECKMAN.COM Don Roberts
eab@msc.edu Edward Bertsch
jer@cs.amherst.edu John Rager
jlodman@sdcc3.UCSD.EDU Michael Lodman
johnl%forthd.UUCP@espace.rain.com John Lebert
julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey
leroy@expert.cc.purdue.edu Leroy
nelsoal@anubis.network.com Alan L. Nelson
nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca Nick Fitzpatrick
scottk@utig.ig.utexas.edu Scott Kempf
smarry@io.org Smarasderagd Draco
Timo.Rinne@hut.fi Timo Rinne
tkoppel@diana.cair.du.edu The Great and Powerful
woody@bdrc.bd.com Woody Muller
Votes in error
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0005402089@mcimail.com Scott Mauvais
! No votes
maus@fid.morgan.com Malcolm Austin
! No votes
shalpern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sheldon W. Halpern
! No votes
stmons00@mik.uky.edu stephen monsour
! No votes
tearle@vax.ox.ac.uk BARBARA TEARLE
! No votes
wellsv@Sonoma.EDU
! No votes
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