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From hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za Thu Mar 11 11:31:49 1993
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From: hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,alt.prose,misc.writing,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.prose
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Discussion: creation of rec.art.prose
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Motivation:
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There is a newsgroup rec.art.poems on the net, but none for
fictional prose works. There is a group alt.prose, but it does
not reach all stations on the net.
Possible Charter:
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A group where writers can post short prose fiction.
Unmoderated at least initially.
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If you are interested, please contact:
Peter Horn, University of Cape Town.
hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za
From hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za Fri Apr 16 10:39:44 1993
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From: hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose
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Call for votes: Creation of rec.art.prose
-----------------------------------------
This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".
VOTING PROCEDURES
In order to vote, send a message to
hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za
containing in the Subject: line either `yes' or `no' and 'rec.arts.prose',
for example
Subject: I vote YES for rec.arts.prose
or
Subject: I vote NO for rec.arts.prose
Letter case does not matter.
If you suspect that either your name or address do not appear correctly in
the From: field, include them in the body of your letter.
The voting period will be from April 15 through May 15, 1993. This
message will be posted three times during the period. Only votes
received during the period will be counted. No more than one vote from
the same address can be sent. Votes posted to a newsgroup will not be
counted.
VOTE OUTCOME
In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if more than 2/3 of the voters vote YES _and_ 100 persons more
vote YES than NO.
Proposed Charter:
-----------------
A group where writers can post short prose fiction. Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster. The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion. Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines. Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.
Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.
Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
Copyright
---------
As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction. Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.
To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.
Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
--
Peter Horn, UCT: hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za
From tale@uunet.uu.net Wed Apr 28 18:56:21 1993
Path: uunet!tale
From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: Cancelled CFV: rec.arts.prose
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The current Call for Votes (CFV) for rec.arts.prose is being
cancelled due to an inadvertent breach of commonly accepted proper
vote taker behaviour. In accordance with established precedent for
similar situations, this vote can be restarted immediately.
The vote taker targetted individuals who had posted in literature-
related groups to receive email copies of the call for votes. Though
there is no written guideline against this, which can be considered
nothing but a fault, it is generally accepted by those people who are
involved with the newsgroup creation process that such solicitation,
even when not actively asking for votes in favour of the proposal,
causes further bias in the poll.
This case was actually quite minor, but had the potential to establish
a very bad precedent. Recognizing that this also could lead to much
controversy and possibly hurt the chances of creation of the group,
the vote taker has elected to step down, while noting his objection to
being expected to follow rules that he had never seen documented.
A new vote taker, who is familiar with the conduct of USENET
newsgroup creation polls, is being solicited to restart this vote. If
you would like to volunteer, please send a message to
group-advice@uunet.uu.net.
A revised version of the newsgroup creation guidelines is in the works
which attempts to clarify and improve on many areas of the current
guidelines. They should be available for public review within a month
or so, hopefully a few weeks before USENIX.
David Lawrence moderator, news.announce.newgroups
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu May 6 14:55:44 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: CFV: rec.arts.prose
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[ rec.arts.prose voters - you probably don't know me. I've run
several group votes. Dave Lawrence wanted the CFV to happen again
with a minimum of delay, and I volunteered. -- Ron Dippold ]
CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose
This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".
The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.
VOTING
To vote, send a MAIL message to rdippold@qualcomm.com (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:
I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose
It doesn't have to be exact, but it has to contain "rec.arts.prose" and
either "for" "against" "yes" or "no". The easiest way to do this is to
just delete everything except the line that registers your opinion. You
should get an automatic acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of
your vote.
Only one vote per person or account. Mail messages only, no public
posts.
VOTING DETAILS
The voting period will be from the time of posting of this message
through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993. Only votes recieved during that time
will be counted. During this period I will be posting two more CFVs and
mass acknowledgement lists of all voters. After the vote is over, I
will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993. This will include
a complete list of all voters and how they voted.
VOTE OUTCOME
In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
VOTER ETHICS
I'm unbiased. You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this... I
don't care whether this passes or not. Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote. I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.
Proposed Charter:
-----------------
A group where writers can post short prose fiction. Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster. The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion. Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines. Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.
Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.
Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
Copyright
---------
As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction. Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.
To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.
Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
--
Sorry, Plucky. Pigs make lousy ninjas! -- Hamton
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Tue May 11 08:42:35 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose
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CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose
This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose".
The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.
VOTING
To vote, send a MAIL message to rdippold@qualcomm.com (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:
I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose
The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the
line that registers your opinion. You should get an automatic
acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.
Only one vote per person or account. Mail messages only, no public
posts.
VOTING DETAILS
The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993. Only
votes recieved during that time will be counted. During this period I
will be posting two more CFVs and mass acknowledgement lists of all
voters. After the vote is over, I will post the results prior to
Monday, May 31, 1993. This will include a complete list of all voters
and how they voted.
VOTE OUTCOME
In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
VOTER ETHICS
I'm unbiased. You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this... I
don't care whether this passes or not. Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote. I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.
Proposed Charter:
-----------------
A group where writers can post short prose fiction. Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster. The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion. Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines. Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.
Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.
Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
Copyright
---------
As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction. Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.
To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.
Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by
Thursday, May 6, 1993.
6500null%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu -Null-
aa905@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Morton
adrie@well.sf.ca.us Adrienne Brambila
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us
bhartman@ultrix.ramapo.edu Arthur Rimbaud
bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Brian SPENCER
cdr@kpc.com Carl Rigney
cffitzge@iastate.edu
cliftonr@netcom.com Pope Clifton
cmarble@fenris.claremont.edu Chris Marble
cornwall@bach.udel.edu Ray J Cornwall
crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk Colin Bell
crimson@ihz.compuserve.com Mark "Crimson" Friedman
culliton@srg.af.mil Tom Culliton x2278
curtis@snake.CS.Berkeley.EDU Curtis Yarvin
dack@permanet.org dack
dave@Tygra.Michigan.COM David Conrad
dawn@ca.dynix.com dawn
dboyd@harley.informix.com Diana Boyd
ddciiny!jls@uunet.UU.NET Jonathan Schilling
donz@uiunix.ui.org Don Zirilli
dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Andrew Trapp
dsuchy19@Calvin.EDU Dawn Suchy
dubach1@husc.harvard.edu
enaha@hpb.lut.ac.uk AH Al_ashaab
fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu Greg Fishbone
fishe@speedy.acns.nwu.edu Carwil James
fowlerc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU "John C. Fowler"
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin
fred@ivhs.mot.com
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu Hardcore Alaskan
gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Greg Nikolic
geirs@ifi.uio.no Geir Stensrud
gibson@hplwsg.hpl.hp.com Bill Gibson
hansenr@ohsu.EDU
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com B.J.
iccnews.ucsd.edu@UCSD.EDU Mike H.
jennyb@carina.unm.edu Jenny Ballmann
jergens@math.mit.edu
jergens@math.mit.edu
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu Joel Furr
jfw@ksr.com
joel@cs.uwa.edu.au Joel K Kelso
johnbuck@allegro.mit.edu John Buck
jpatters@Willamette.EDU Jane Patterson
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu Dark Knight
kieran@world.std.com Aaron L Dickey
lbergen@draco.bison.mb.ca Leslie Bergen
lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu sometimes a Wombat
lwlutz@mailbox.syr.edu Lowell W Lutz
lynn@medicine.newcastle.edu.au Lynn Benn
mary@ai.mit.edu Mary S. Lee
mccullou%whipple@cs.wisc.edu
me95001@ox.ac.uk Wong Nai Seng
mgooley@advtech.uswest.com Mark Gooley
mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu Mark-Jason Dominus
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV Greg Morrow
mshield@ukelele.GCR.COM Michael Shields
mtaranto@Panix.Com Mark Taranto
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff
naren@tekig1.pen.tek.com Naren Bala
nelsonm@oscar.ME.ORST.EDU Michael Nelson
NIEHOFP@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu Bill Owens
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Leonard J. Peirce
petersm@jacobs.CSOS.ORST.EDU Marguerite Petersen
pfc@pacvax.pacersoft.com
phipps@hep.Physics.McGill.CA Martin Phipps
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu Dave Weingart
pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Prabal Nandy
rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Robert W. F. Clark
rhogan@scf.usc.edu Ron Hogan
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu Roger Squires
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
samant@cs.uchicago.edu
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
sasbmt@unx.sas.com Bruce Tindall
SEAWA%RHODES.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
sfjr@wam.umd.edu Sherri
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz.au Shaun Travers
sho@physics.purdue.edu Sho Kuwamoto
siffert@spot.Colorado.EDU Thunder-Thumbs
sommar@enea.se Erland Sommarskog
spaulson@junkets.us.dg.com Steve Paulson
steveha@microsoft.com
stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
syd@ecn.purdue.edu Dennis P Hilgenberg
tamora@owlnet.rice.edu Tami Dawn Kimmel
thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu Mike Thayer
thoth@uiuc.edu Ben Cox
tomf%ai@gte.com Tom Fawcett
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu Tim Pierce
vcd@biosym.com Vicki C. Daughtry
wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu "Wesley Craig"
wixer!ralph@cactus.org Ralph Cherubini
write@lamar.ColoState.EDU Glen Cox
--
They say the wages of sin are death, but after they take out taxes, all that's
left is a tired feeling.
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Thu May 20 09:56:27 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.prose
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CALL FOR VOTES: creation of rec.art.prose
This is a formal Call For Votes for or against the creation of an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup called "rec.arts.prose". This is the
_final_ CFV for this group.
The rationale and charter of the group are given below the voting
information.
VOTING
To vote, send a MAIL message to rdippold@qualcomm.com (the easiest way
to do this in most cases is to just Reply to this message), containing
ONE of the following lines in the body of your reply:
I vote FOR the creation of rec.arts.prose
I vote AGAINST the creation of rec.arts.prose
The easiest way to do this is to just delete everything except the
line that registers your opinion. You should get an automatic
acknowledgement within a few days of receipt of your vote.
Only one vote per person or account. Mail messages only, no public
posts.
VOTING DETAILS
The voting period will run through 11:59 PM GMT May 28, 1993. Only
votes recieved during that time will be counted. After the vote is
over, I will post the results prior to Monday, May 31, 1993. This
will include a complete list of all voters and how they voted.
VOTE OUTCOME
In accordance with the traditions of the Usenet, the newsgroup will be
created only if 2/3 or more of the voters vote YES and there are at
least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
VOTER ETHICS
I'm unbiased. You wouldn't believe how unbiased I am on this... I
don't care whether this passes or not. Regardless, I pledge not to
solict votes for or against the vote. I will mail copies of the CFV to
any who request it or who vote incorrectly and need the CFV to vote
again.
Proposed Charter:
-----------------
A group where writers can post short prose fiction. Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster. The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion. Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines. Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.
Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.
Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
Copyright
---------
As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction. Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.
To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.
Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
Mass Ack - this is a list of everyone whose vote I have recieved by
early Friday, May 14, 1993.
2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA Andy
6500null%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu -Null-
9650@ef.gc.maricopa.edu "Warren A Norgaard"
aa905@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Morton
Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk Linus "E.A." Twizell
ac999266@umbc.edu a Francis Uy
adrie@well.sf.ca.us Adrienne Brambila
ahmed@mansun.lut.ac.uk Ahmed Al-Ashabb
ajm@fibercom.com AJ Madison
al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a
andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Andrew Hackard
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us
bealmear@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov dan a. bealmear
Ben.Magid@lambada.oit.unc.edu
ben@NeoSoft.Com Ben Ettinger
bhartman@ultrix.ramapo.edu Arthur Rimbaud
boutell@isis.cshl.org Tom Boutell
bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Brian SPENCER
bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil Brad Wallet
cdr@kpc.com Carl Rigney
cffitzge@iastate.edu
changh2@rpi.edu Henry Chang
chaos@netcom.com chaos
cjb@cs.uq.oz.au
clarka@netcom.com Andrew Clark
cliftonr@netcom.com Pope Clifton
cmarble@fenris.claremont.edu Chris Marble
cmp0118@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk "S." Green
cornwall@bach.udel.edu Ray J Cornwall
crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk Colin Bell
crimson@ihz.compuserve.com Mark "Crimson" Friedman
culliton@srg.af.mil Tom Culliton x2278
curtis@snake.CS.Berkeley.EDU Curtis Yarvin
dack@permanet.org dack
daffer@seti.seti_net William Daffer
dave@Tygra.Michigan.COM David Conrad
dawn@ca.dynix.com dawn
dboyd@harley.informix.com Diana Boyd
ddciiny!jls@uunet.UU.NET Jonathan Schilling
deadman@Cae.Mitel.COM Richard Deadman
donz@uiunix.ui.org Don Zirilli
dpeel@pyra.co.uk Dave Peel (Security
dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Andrew Trapp
dsuchy19@Calvin.EDU Dawn Suchy
dubach1@husc.harvard.edu
dw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu "Daniel C. Wang"
ebarratt@sunee.uwaterloo.ca Elizabeth Barratt
ed@titipu.resun.com Edward Reid
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu "Eric J. Olson"
enaha@hpb.lut.ac.uk AH Al_ashaab
fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu Greg Fishbone
fishe@speedy.acns.nwu.edu Carwil James
fowlerc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU "John C. Fowler"
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin
fred@ivhs.mot.com
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu Hardcore Alaskan
gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Greg Nikolic
geirs@ifi.uio.no Geir Stensrud
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US Gregory G. Woodbury
gibson@hplwsg.hpl.hp.com Bill Gibson
greg.astoorian@CANREM.COM Greg Astoorian
gussen@uidaho.edu Steve Gussenhoven
haleysj@hirama.hiram.edu Random
hansenr@ohsu.EDU
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com B.J.
HORNPETE@Uctvax.UCT.AC.ZA
i3160503@ws.rz.tu-bs.de Hockemeyer
iccnews.ucsd.edu@UCSD.EDU Mike H.
jcs@zycor.lgc.com James Conrad Shea
jennyb@carina.unm.edu Jenny Ballmann
jergens@math.mit.edu
jergens@math.mit.edu
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu Joel Furr
jfw@ksr.com
joel@cs.uwa.edu.au Joel K Kelso
johnbuck@allegro.mit.edu John Buck
jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Josef Nelissen
jpatters@Willamette.EDU Jane Patterson
jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov John Porter
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu Dark Knight
kieran@world.std.com Aaron L Dickey
lassehp@imv.aau.dk Lasse Hiller|e Petersen
lbergen@draco.bison.mb.ca Leslie Bergen
lindag@engin.umich.edu Linda Grischy
lionel@cs.city.ac.uk Lionel Tun
lmann@orion.oac.uci.edu Larry Mann
lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu sometimes a Wombat
lwlutz@mailbox.syr.edu Lowell W Lutz
lynn@medicine.newcastle.edu.au Lynn Benn
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org Alex Martelli
mary@ai.mit.edu Mary S. Lee
mccullou%whipple@cs.wisc.edu
mdw@TC.Cornell.EDU Matt Welsh
me95001@ox.ac.uk Wong Nai Seng
megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU B Bikowicz
mej@world.std.com Mark Jersey
melynda@titipu.resun.com Melynda Reid
mgooley@advtech.uswest.com Mark Gooley
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
MIUVDD@lure.latrobe.edu.au SWEET SISTER
mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu Mark-Jason Dominus
mjn%pseudo.UUCP Murray Nesbitt
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV Greg Morrow
mshield@ukelele.GCR.COM Michael Shields
mtaranto@Panix.Com Mark Taranto
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff
mxm@dcs.ed.ac.uk
naren@tekig1.pen.tek.com Naren Bala
nelsonm@oscar.ME.ORST.EDU Michael Nelson
NIEHOFP@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
nzr20@amdahlcsdc.com Nicholas Russon
OUTSIDE@UVVM.UVic.CA Richard Pickard
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu Bill Owens
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Leonard J. Peirce
petersm@jacobs.CSOS.ORST.EDU Marguerite Petersen
pfc@pacvax.pacersoft.com
phipps@hep.Physics.McGill.CA Martin Phipps
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu Dave Weingart
pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Prabal Nandy
ralph@cup.portal.com
rastrong@lumiere.lbl.gov Richard A. Strong
rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Robert W. F. Clark
rcrowley@zso.dec.com Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
rhogan@scf.usc.edu Ron Hogan
RIAWELCH@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Mad City Blues
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil Bill Riggs
rmr@annexia.esd.sgi.com Robert M. Reimann
rp04@Lehigh.EDU R M Price
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu Roger Squires
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
samant@cs.uchicago.edu
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
sasbmt@unx.sas.com Bruce Tindall
SEAWA%RHODES.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
sfjr@wam.umd.edu Sherri
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz.au Shaun Travers
sho@physics.purdue.edu Sho Kuwamoto
siffert@spot.Colorado.EDU Thunder-Thumbs
soft-logik@cup.portal.com
sommar@enea.se Erland Sommarskog
spaulson@junkets.us.dg.com Steve Paulson
steveha@microsoft.com
stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
susanm@ncd.com Susan Mitchell
syd@ecn.purdue.edu Dennis P Hilgenberg
T.J.Aidley@newcastle.ac.uk "T.J. Aidley"
tamora@owlnet.rice.edu Tami Dawn Kimmel
tara@cs.uiuc.edu Tara Madhyastha
tbas@sybase.com Tony Basoglu
thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu Mike Thayer
thoth@uiuc.edu Ben Cox
tomf%ai@gte.com Tom Fawcett
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu Tim Pierce
vcd@biosym.com Vicki C. Daughtry
wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu "Wesley Craig"
wetcake@nvg.unit.no Jon Terje Kommandantvold
wixer!ralph@cactus.org Ralph Cherubini
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu "I am an android.."
write@lamar.ColoState.EDU Glen Cox
yash@csn.org Yash Holbrook
--
I do this kind of stuff to him all through the thread.
From rdippold@qualcomm.com Mon Jun 7 10:37:14 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.poems,rec.arts.books,misc.writing,alt.prose,bit.listserv.literary
Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.prose passes 188:31
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Date: 4 Jun 1993 14:15:33 -0400
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The unmoderated group rec.arts.prose has passed its second vote
handily:
rec.arts.prose vote results - 219 votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
188 31 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.arts.prose
Unless any voting irregularities appear, expect the newgroup message
in about a week or so. Followups set to news.groups. Email asking me
about the group won't do you much good, since I just took the vote.
Ask on one of the groups listed above.
UseVote was used in this vote...
Proposed Charter:
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A group where writers can post short prose fiction. Criticism and
suggestions on the fiction posted can be posted on the net in
rec.arts.prose or by email to the poster. The group will accomodate
discussion of prose fiction in general, similar to the way in which
rec.arts.poems allows for posting of poems and discussion. Posters
should keep to the normal length of a short story, approximately 800
lines. Novel-length prose fiction should be posted in short chapters
over a period of time.
Other more technical matters involving writing, such as publication
outlets, publishers, journals, and literary agents, are more
appropriately discussed in misc.writing.
Discussion of literature in general takes place in bit.listserv.literary
and rec.arts.books.
Copyright
---------
As is the case on the Net in general, it is an offence to post
copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner.
Short pieces can be quoted in a discussion, as is the case in academic
work on fiction. Anything posted to the net automatically is
copyright protected in countries agreeing to the Berne Convention, and
can be republished only with the consent of the author, except where
the author expressly releases his posting into the public domain.
To make your intentions clear, posters are advised to add a Copyright
199x by Name of the Author to their posting, if they intend to keep
copyright.
Unmoderated at least initially.
-------------------------------
Until such time as the traffic is of such a volume, or there are other
reasons for introducing a moderated group, the group will be
unmoderated.
rec.arts.prose vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA Andy
6500null%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu -Null-
9650@ef.gc.maricopa.edu "Warren A Norgaard"
aa751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Fran Rosen
aa905@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Morton
Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk Linus "E.A." Twizell
ac999266@umbc.edu a Francis Uy
ajm@fibercom.com AJ Madison
al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a
amj@ukc.ac.uk
andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Andrew Hackard
bealmear@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov dan a. bealmear
Ben.Magid@lambada.oit.unc.edu
ben@NeoSoft.Com Ben Ettinger
bhartman@ultrix.ramapo.edu Arthur Rimbaud
blewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu benn bet nun nun lewis
boutell@isis.cshl.org Tom Boutell
bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Brian SPENCER
bwallet@apssgi.nswc.navy.mil Brad Wallet
cffitzge@iastate.edu
changh2@rpi.edu Henry Chang
chaos@netcom.com chaos
cjb@cs.uq.oz.au
clarka@netcom.com Andrew Clark
cliftonr@netcom.com Pope Clifton
cmp0118@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk "S." Green
cornwall@bach.udel.edu Ray J Cornwall
Craig.Arnold@m.cc.utah.edu Craig Arnold
crb11@cus.cam.ac.uk Colin Bell
crimson@ihz.compuserve.com Mark "Crimson" Friedman
curtis@snake.CS.Berkeley.EDU Curtis Yarvin
C_MCDON@PAVO.CONCORDIA.CA
dack@permanet.org dack
daffer@seti.seti_net William Daffer
dave@Tygra.Michigan.COM David Conrad
dawn@ca.dynix.com dawn
dboyd@harley.informix.com Diana Boyd
ddciiny!jls@uunet.UU.NET Jonathan Schilling
deadman@Cae.Mitel.COM Richard Deadman
decvax!av8r!shaggy@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com Chris Taylor
Denise@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu Denise Porter
dhart@cis.ohio-state.edu david gregory hart
DJS9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
donz@uiunix.ui.org Don Zirilli
dpeel@pyra.co.uk Dave Peel (Security
dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Andrew Trapp
dsuchy19@Calvin.EDU Dawn Suchy
dubach1@husc.harvard.edu
DUDLEY@jd.lawsch.uga.edu "Linda"
dw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu "Daniel C. Wang"
ebarratt@sunee.uwaterloo.ca Elizabeth Barratt
ed@titipu.resun.com Edward Reid
edmond@isgtec.com Edmond Chow
ekankaan@kaira.hut.fi Eero Kankaanp{{
elf@halcyon.halcyon.com Elf Sternberg
eubanks@astro.ocis.temple.edu Marcus Eubanks
fishbone@astro.ocis.temple.edu Greg Fishbone
fishe@speedy.acns.nwu.edu Carwil James
FNCLL@acad3.alaska.edu
fowlerc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU "John C. Fowler"
franklig@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin
fred@ivhs.mot.com
gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Greg Nikolic
geirs@ifi.uio.no Geir Stensrud
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US Gregory G. Woodbury
gibson@hplwsg.hpl.hp.com Bill Gibson
greg.astoorian@CANREM.COM Greg Astoorian
gussen@uidaho.edu Steve Gussenhoven
haleysj@hirama.hiram.edu Random
hawadm@hawaii.West.Sun.COM Hawadm Hawaii Administrative Temps
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com B.J.
HORNPETE@Uctvax.UCT.AC.ZA
i000702@disc.dla.mil sam frajerman
i3160503@ws.rz.tu-bs.de Hockemeyer
iccnews.ucsd.edu@UCSD.EDU Mike H.
jcs@zycor.lgc.com James Conrad Shea
jennyb@carina.unm.edu Jenny Ballmann
jergens@math.mit.edu
jfortt@dorsai.dorsai.org jfortt
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu Joel Furr
jfw@ksr.com
jgrunenb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu James Grunenberg
jmilbank@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz J Milbank
john.lovett@channel1.com John Lovett
johnbuck@allegro.mit.edu John Buck
jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Josef Nelissen
jpatters@Willamette.EDU Jane Patterson
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu Dark Knight
kieran@world.std.com Aaron L Dickey
klein@egr.msu.edu
krconwa@cs.sandia.gov Kyle R. Conway
larryw@lsid.hp.com Larry Whatley
lassehp@imv.aau.dk Lasse Hiller|e Petersen
lbergen@draco.bison.mb.ca Leslie Bergen
lindag@engin.umich.edu Linda Grischy
lingres6@matai.vuw.ac.nz
lionel@cs.city.ac.uk Lionel Tun
lmann@orion.oac.uci.edu Larry Mann
lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu sometimes a Wombat
lundgren@centauri.unm.edu Chad Lundgren
lwlutz@mailbox.syr.edu Lowell W Lutz
lynn@medicine.newcastle.edu.au Lynn Benn
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org Alex Martelli
mary@ai.mit.edu Mary S. Lee
mcgregoa@cognos.COM Alayne McGregor
mdw@TC.Cornell.EDU Matt Welsh
me95001@ox.ac.uk Wong Nai Seng
megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU B Bikowicz
mej@world.std.com Mark Jersey
melynda@titipu.resun.com Melynda Reid
mgooley@advtech.uswest.com Mark Gooley
mitch@vesheu.sar.usf.edu Mitchell L. Silverman
MIUVDD@lure.latrobe.edu.au SWEET SISTER
mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu Mark-Jason Dominus
mkuttel@cs.uct.ac.za Shelly Kuttel
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV Greg Morrow
mtaranto@Panix.Com Mark Taranto
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff
mxm@dcs.ed.ac.uk
n9241590@henson.cc.wwu.edu Brooks Seymore
nelsonm@oscar.ME.ORST.EDU Michael Nelson
NIEHOFP@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
nj@birch.cs.berkeley.edu Narciso Jaramillo
nzr20@amdahlcsdc.com Nicholas Russon
OUTSIDE@UVVM.UVic.CA Richard Pickard
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu Bill Owens
pchaos!keithm@pail.rain.com
petersm@jacobs.CSOS.ORST.EDU Marguerite Petersen
pfc@pacvax.pacersoft.com
phipps@hep.Physics.McGill.CA Martin Phipps
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu Dave Weingart
pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu Pete - Toonatic - Boulay
probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Prabal Nandy
rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Robert W. F. Clark
rcrowley@zso.dec.com Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
rhogan@scf.usc.edu Ron Hogan
RIAWELCH@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Mad City Blues
riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil Bill Riggs
rmr@annexia.esd.sgi.com Robert M. Reimann
rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil R. P. White
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu Roger Squires
rvacca@cordelia.next.nd.edu robert vacca
s090@brems.ii.uib.no
S1MBM@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU
samant@cs.uchicago.edu
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu "Theresa Jarosz Alberti"
sasbmt@unx.sas.com Bruce Tindall
SBRAIL@delphi.com
SEAWA%RHODES.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
SECGRD@BROWNVM.brown.edu CIT Security Guard
sfjr@wam.umd.edu Sherri
sgccstr@citecuc.citec.oz.au Shaun Travers
sho@physics.purdue.edu Sho Kuwamoto
siffert@spot.Colorado.EDU Thunder-Thumbs
SJMATTSON@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
soft-logik@cup.portal.com
sommar@enea.se Erland Sommarskog
spaulson@junkets.us.dg.com Steve Paulson
steveha@microsoft.com
susanm@ncd.com Susan Mitchell
swhelan@Newbridge.COM Stefani Whelan
syd@ecn.purdue.edu Dennis P Hilgenberg
T.J.Aidley@newcastle.ac.uk "T.J. Aidley"
tamora@owlnet.rice.edu Tami Dawn Kimmel
tara@cs.uiuc.edu Tara Madhyastha
thayer@odysseus.uchicago.edu Mike Thayer
Thomas.Lindgren@csd.uu.se Thomas Lindgren
thoth@uiuc.edu Ben Cox
tillis@icpsr.umich.edu Eddie Tillis
tina%utkvx.BITNET@utkvm1.utk.edu
tomf%ai@gte.com Tom Fawcett
torben@titan.ucs.umass.edu Torben Dijnes
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu Tim Pierce
valerier@ingres.com Valerie Riveiro
vcd@biosym.com Vicki C. Daughtry
vedder@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu vedder julie ann
vkf@wstar.mil.wi.us Vicki Kingsbury - Flanagan
WELKERK@yvax.byu.edu
wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu "Wesley Craig"
wetcake@nvg.unit.no Jon Terje Kommandantvold
WHEATLEY@SLDV21.UG.EDS.COM GEORGIA
winters+@pitt.edu
wixer!ralph@cactus.org Ralph Cherubini
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu "I am an android.."
yash@csn.org Yash Holbrook
z4y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca Richard Gibbons
ZX2J@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU
No Votes
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adrie@well.sf.ca.us Adrienne Brambila
ahmed@mansun.lut.ac.uk Ahmed Al-Ashabb
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us
cdr@kpc.com Carl Rigney
cmarble@fenris.claremont.edu Chris Marble
culliton@srg.af.mil Tom Culliton x2278
eab@msc.edu Edward Bertsch
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu "Eric J. Olson"
enaha@hpb.lut.ac.uk AH Al_ashaab
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu Hardcore Alaskan
hansenr@ohsu.EDU
joel@cs.uwa.edu.au Joel K Kelso
jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov John Porter
julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu Rob Knauerhase
mccullou%whipple@cs.wisc.edu
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
mjn%pseudo.UUCP Murray Nesbitt
mshield@ukelele.GCR.COM Michael Shields
mughal@alumni.cco.caltech.edu A. M. Mughal
naren@tekig1.pen.tek.com Naren Bala
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Leonard J. Peirce
ralph@cup.portal.com
rastrong@lumiere.lbl.gov Richard A. Strong
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
ronnie@cisco.com "Ronnie B. Kon"
rp04@Lehigh.EDU R M Price
shane@spr.com Shane Hartman
stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
tbas@sybase.com Tony Basoglu
write@lamar.ColoState.EDU Glen Cox
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