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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION: rec.video.desktop (unmoderated)
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rec.video.desktop Amateur, computer-based video editing
This message initiates a 30-day discussion period to consider the
creation of a rec.video.desktop newsgroup. Discussion will take
place in news.groups, and _all_ follow-up posts should be posted
to that group. Anyone at all interested in this proposal is
encouraged to participate in the discussion. Readers unfamiliar
with the newsgroup creation process may obtain a brief description
of it from:
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.announce.newsgroups/How_to_Create*
The Need for a New Group:
=========================
This RFD stems from an ongoing discussion in rec.video.produc-
tion (partial transcript below). The discussion arose out of several
posters' feeeling that the "professional" element of rec.video.produc-
tion did not address their needs, and that the group was discussing a
different sort of video production -- namely, traditional A/B roll
editing and high-end, on-line post-production. Several readers expressed
interest in a group devoted exclusively to Macintosh video, and several
others suggested a small hierarchy, organized around platform or split
between digital and analog. While there was not a clear consensus, there
was strong support for the alternate suggestion of rec.video.desktop, which
could be expanded into platform-specific groups if traffic ever warrants.
(An alt.desktop.video group was considered and dismissed.)
While rec.video.production is not a high-traffic group, it
does tend to focus on equipment and techniques available only to those
with professional-level budgets -- a valuable but exclusive arena.
Desktop video, or video editing that makes use of personal-computer
technology, is itself an expensive pursuit, but there is a great dif-
ference in scale between a $100,000 Avid Media Composer set-up and, say
a Mac IIci with a video board and Adobe Premiere. This group will
hopefully address the needs of the lower-end user.
Several posters mentioned other groups as the best forum for
desktop video, but in so doing evidenced the other part of the need
for a unified group: they mentioned several different groups, and could
have mentioned several more. As well as rec.video and rec.video.produc-
tion, desktop video could easily be grouped into any of the multimedia or
graphics newsgroups. A reader seeking advice on a desktop video setup
might reasonably consult rec.video production, comp.multimedia,
comp.os.os2.multimedia, comp.sys.amiga.graphics, comp.sys.amiga.multi-
media, comp.sys.mac.graphics, _and_ comp.sys.sgi.graphics. No one of
these groups fully address the topic, and the traffic of all of them
taken together is overwhelming. Despite the sentiments of one partic-
ipant in the original discussion, one focussed group could well draw a
much higher readership than rec.video.production itself, encourage a
comparison of software, platforms, and peripherals, and provide a
resource for those lacking a professional-level budget.
Proposed Charter:
=================
This group will exist to serve as a forum for users of the
increasingly affordable computer-based video editing systems. It will
cover all platforms' lower-end (say, under $10-15,000) desktop video set-
ups, including hardware, software, peripherals, and resources, as well as
information concerning submittals to and schedules of any amateur video
contests and film festivals. This would, for instance, exclude the Avid
Media Composer, as it is largely a professional package, but would not
exclude Avid's lower-end offerings. The purpose of this limit is to focus
the discussion into a price range reasonable for amateurs -- high-end
users should consult rec.video.production. Advocates for particular
platforms will be encouraged to develop platform-specific FAQs; no r.v.d
FAQ, however, shall ever list a contact address for "America's Funniest
Home Videos." [;)
Hopefully, the definition of independent filmmaking will broaden
as desktop video becomes more accessible, allowing for lower production
costs and easier distribution. This group is open to all home video users
regardless of their intended end-product, and hopefully it will help to
develop a community of low-end users, sharing resources, stock footage,
lo-tech solutions, and eventually, sample works.
The Story So Far:
=================
What follows are the relevant excerpts from the rec.video.prouction
discussion that initiated this request. Headers, quotes from preceeding
posts, and .sigs have been removed to conserve space; in addition, I have
tried to remove non-relevant material. My apologies to the authors if I
have cut too much or quoted out of context.
[1]
Would anyone be interested in a separate newsgroup for Mac Video
Production? I'm trying to stay up on hardware (VideoVision boards, or
whatever better comes along), software (Premiere, CoSA After Effects,
Elastic Reality/Morph, Infini-D, etc.), QuickTime, offloading to tape, etc.
But I'm not into all this high-end and/or IBM/Amiga stuff.
[2]
Not the same, but something like it. The new group I'd like to see would
be a general Macintosh multimedia newsgroup (comp.sys.mac.multimedia?),
which would also leave plenty of room for discussing Mac video production
like you want to.
[3]
My proposal: create rec.video.desktop to carry articles for the amateur,
under-$10,000-budget crowd interested in video editing and production.
[4]
Things may be headed there, but non-linear hasn't fully arrived yet. Tape is
still essential for those who are concerned about the quality of the finished
product. Besides, I get about 10-20 postings a day here; do we really need
to split this relatively low-volume group?
[5]
I second this suggestion...I think a group aimed at desktop video
production may draw new people who either hadn't heard of the
rec.video.production group, or those that assumed the group had only a
traditional online editing focus.
[6]
Isn't this what comp.sys.mac.graphics is for?
[7]
[.....] I think that there appears to be enough demand for a
rec.desktop .editing channel, or something similar. I think it would
see enough use, and generate more interest once it is already existing.
But definitely it should not be Mac/Avid whatever specialized yet, that
is just ridiculous.
[End of transcript]
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<hedlund@netcom.com>
From dave@dogwood.com Tue Mar 22 20:11:04 1994
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From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo)
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group rec.video.desktop
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rec.video.desktop Amateur, computer-based video editing and production
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 April 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>. For questions
about the proposed group contact M. Hedlund <hedlund@netcom.com>.
CHARTER
This group will exist to serve as a forum for users of the
increasingly affordable computer-based video editing systems. It will
cover all platforms' lower-end (say, under $10-15,000) desktop video set-
ups, including hardware, software, peripherals, and resources, as well as
information concerning submittals to and schedules of any amateur video
contests and film festivals. This group would, for instance, exclude the
Avid Media Composer, as it is largely a professional package, but would not
exclude Avid's lower-end offerings. The purpose of this limit is to focus
the discussion into a price range reasonable for amateurs -- high-end
users should consult rec.video.production. Advocates for particular
platforms will be encouraged to develop platform-specific FAQs; no r.v.d
FAQ, however, shall ever list a contact address for "America's Funniest
Home Videos." [;)
Hopefully, the definition of independent filmmaking will broaden
as desktop video becomes more accessible, allowing for lower production
costs and easier distribution. This group is, however, open to all home
video users regardless of their intended end-product. Hopefully it will
help to develop a community of low-end users, sharing resources, stock
footage, lo-tech solutions, and eventually, sample works.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vote@dogwood.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message must contain one and only on of the following statements:
I vote YES on rec.video.desktop
I vote NO on rec.video.desktop
I vote ABSTAIN on rec.video.desktop
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
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ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
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One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. System accounts
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--
Dave Cornejo There is nothing so subtle
Dogwood Media as the obvious
Fremont, California
From dave@dogwood.com Tue Mar 29 20:10:18 1994
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group rec.video.desktop
Newsgroups line:
rec.video.desktop Amateur, computer-based video editing and production.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 April 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>. For questions
about the proposed group contact M. Hedlund <hedlund@netcom.com>.
CHARTER
This group will exist to serve as a forum for users of the
increasingly affordable computer-based video editing systems. It will
cover all platforms' lower-end (say, under $10-15,000) desktop video set-
ups, including hardware, software, peripherals, and resources, as well as
information concerning submittals to and schedules of any amateur video
contests and film festivals. This group would, for instance, exclude the
Avid Media Composer, as it is largely a professional package, but would not
exclude Avid's lower-end offerings. The purpose of this limit is to focus
the discussion into a price range reasonable for amateurs -- high-end
users should consult rec.video.production. Advocates for particular
platforms will be encouraged to develop platform-specific FAQs; no r.v.d
FAQ, however, shall ever list a contact address for "America's Funniest
Home Videos." [;)
Hopefully, the definition of independent filmmaking will broaden
as desktop video becomes more accessible, allowing for lower production
costs and easier distribution. This group is, however, open to all home
video users regardless of their intended end-product. Hopefully it will
help to develop a community of low-end users, sharing resources, stock
footage, lo-tech solutions, and eventually, sample works.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vote@dogwood.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message must contain one and only on of the following statements:
I vote YES on rec.video.desktop
I vote NO on rec.video.desktop
I vote ABSTAIN on rec.video.desktop
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
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BOUNCED ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
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Dave Cornejo There is nothing so subtle
Dogwood Media as the obvious
Fremont, California
From dave@dogwood.com Mon Apr 11 19:36:58 1994
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Subject: RESULT: rec.video.desktop passes 208:19
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RESULT
unmoderated group rec.video.desktop
unmoderated group rec.video.desktop passes 208:19
There were 208 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 227 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 5 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
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rec.video.desktop Amateur, computer-based video editing and production.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 April 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Dave Cornejo <dave@dogwood.com>. For questions
about the proposed group contact M. Hedlund <hedlund@netcom.com>.
CHARTER
This group will exist to serve as a forum for users of the
increasingly affordable computer-based video editing systems. It will
cover all platforms' lower-end (say, under $10-15,000) desktop video set-
ups, including hardware, software, peripherals, and resources, as well as
information concerning submittals to and schedules of any amateur video
contests and film festivals. This group would, for instance, exclude the
Avid Media Composer, as it is largely a professional package, but would not
exclude Avid's lower-end offerings. The purpose of this limit is to focus
the discussion into a price range reasonable for amateurs -- high-end
users should consult rec.video.production. Advocates for particular
platforms will be encouraged to develop platform-specific FAQs; no r.v.d
FAQ, however, shall ever list a contact address for "America's Funniest
Home Videos." [;)
Hopefully, the definition of independent filmmaking will broaden
as desktop video becomes more accessible, allowing for lower production
costs and easier distribution. This group is, however, open to all home
video users regardless of their intended end-product. Hopefully it will
help to develop a community of low-end users, sharing resources, stock
footage, lo-tech solutions, and eventually, sample works.
unmoderated group rec.video.desktop Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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scann@merlin.tc.cornell.edu
schuenke@hao.ucar.edu Jeff Schuenke
Scott.Fabbri@lambada.oit.unc.edu
scottl@speedway.net Scott Levine
scwallac@mailbox.syr.edu .signature
simeon@relog.adsp.sub.org simeon peter
simun@unity.ncsu.edu
Singlis@bcde.demon.co.uk Steven Inglis
sjledet@netcom.com Sterling Ledet
sjn1@cornell.edu Sam Neal
sold@kit.uni-kl.de Christoph Sold
SPICE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
stel@mcs.com Stel Valavanis
STJAUSLIN@CLIENTS.SWITCH.ch STEFAN JAUSLIN
t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp
tbranham@mm.wellesley.edu Tom Branham
teler@cs.huji.ac.il Eyal Teler
tgerstel@world.std.com Tom Gerstel
thomash@gate.net Tom Heyward
thorsten@radar.mk.open.de Thorsten Kitz
tiemann@cygnus.com Michael Tiemann
tillman@advtech.uswest.com Michael Tillman
timm@netcom.com Tim Musselman
tnb2d@henson.cs.virginia.edu
TONY_OK%VULCAN@mentec.ie TonyOK
TSMFD@aurora.alaska.edu Michael Drury
tugleywood@aol.com
UCPL085@UNLVM.UNL.EDU REMe
vaittine@tukki.jyu.fi Juhani Vaittinen
verch@cedar.buffalo.edu Jason Verch
viktor@netcom.com VB
walraven@eo.com Ewout Walraven
whd@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU Wieland Holfelder
wli@viterbi.eecs.berkeley.edu Wei-Yi Li
wmbfmk@urc.tue.nl Marc van Kempen
wtharp@cra.sfsu.edu Winston Tharp
Voted No
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crouchkp@flidh102.delcoelect.com
fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan
ggw@acpub.duke.edu G. "Wolfe" Woodbury
halbrooc@ucs.orst.edu Charlie Halbrook
jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
julian@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey
kah@netcom.com Kah
kherron@ms.uky.edu
larson@net.com Alan Larson
martin@babillard.crim.ca Daniel Martin
mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
mughal@alumni.caltech.edu A. M. Mughal
murali@magnet.fsu.edu Murali Chaparala
nsrclwm@leonis.nus.sg Mr. Leong Wai Ming
revu@midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil Revuluri
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
smarry@turing.toronto.edu Marc Moorcroft
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
WARD@ernie.van.forintek.ca Ward F. Bush
Abstained
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