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From cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Sat Apr  4 03:16:48 1992
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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar)
Subject: RFD:  sci.lang.classical
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This is a Request For Discussion of a newsgroup for classical studies.

NAME (proposed):
	sci.lang.classical

STATUS (proposed):
	unmoderated

CHARTER (proposed):

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.

Although the newsgroup would not be restricted to discussions of languages
only, the name sci.lang.classical appears more clear than the alternative
option, sci.classics.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, and so forth - will be welcome (I imagine that there
would not be enough support for a group dedicated to Aramaic).  Experience
suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional postings on subjects
that are completely outside the realm of classical studies, but we would
rather not encourage them.
-- 
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John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu  &  cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu

From cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Sun Apr 19 21:33:12 1992
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca
From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  sci.classics
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
Organization: Vanderbilt U. Math Grad Student
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:21:48 GMT

This is the second Call For Votes on a newsgroup for classical
studies.  At the end is a mass acknowlegdement of the votes that
we have registered so far.  If you have voted but are not listed,
please vote again, following the instructions below, carefully.

NAME: sci.classics

STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER:

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

VOTING:

All votes must be e-mailed directly to: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
The voting period will run from March 27 to April 26.

Votes posted to the net, or forwarded by a third party, WILL NOT BE
ACCEPTED.

Each vote should state explicitly, in the subject line or in the first
line of the message, "I vote YES for sci.classics," or "I vote NO against
sci.classics."

Any comments, such as, "but I would prefer ..." or, "but I would vote
differently if ..." can be included *after* a clear statement of which
way you are voting.

An overworked graduate student will eventually send you a confirmation
of your vote.

A Second CFV and list of votes received will be posted in about two
weeks.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome
(I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to
Aramaic).  Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional
postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical
studies, but we would rather not encourage them.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.  From the perspective of classicists, it is
worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not
only the subjects currently called sciences.

The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported
proposals.  The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on
the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology,
and other aspects.  It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical
would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an
unfair invasion of their namespace.

Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for
humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*.  In order to get the CFV
out in a reasonable time, I am letting this issue wait.

If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found
to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a
change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the
discussions in the group itself, once it is created.
===========================================================================

MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
====================
As of April 5, we have registered votes from the following users
(sorted by surname, to the extent that that could be determined.)
If you have voted, but your name is not in this list, please vote
again, following the instructions above, carefully.

	<Bongo.Drummer@splash.Princeton.EDU>
	<V106LR4H@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Cristy <cristy@magick.es.dupont.com>
The Shaman <shaman@mordor.dseg.ti.com>
Russell Ackerman <ria@math.ufl.edu>
Allan Adler <ara@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
Rich Alderson <alderson@leland.stanford.edu>
Benjamin Allen <allen-benjamin@CS.YALE.EDU>
Dawn Amos <dma@unx.sas.com>
William S. Annis <lestat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Ian Bacon <ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Sam Bassett <samlb@optilink.com>
Louis Bertrand <tronix!louis>
James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Rahul Bonner <bon6@midway.uchicago.edu>
Paul H. Borcher <Paul.H.Borchers@um.cc.umich.edu>
Mark Brader <msb@sq.com>
William A. Bralick Jr. <wbralick@galaxy.afit.af.mil>
Roger H. Brown <rhb@mstr.hgc.edu>
Doug Brownell <dmb@jacobi.ucsd.edu>
Justin Bur <justin@crim.ca>
Hans Buurman <hans@ph.tn.tudelft.nl>
Mark Joseph Bylander <bylander@math.utexas.edu>
Jack Campin <jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
David Carlton <carlton@husc.harvard.edu>
Shih-tsun Alex Chou <shihtsun@ecn.purdue.edu>
Richard Commander <richardc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Michael A. Covington <mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Stephanie da Silva <arielle@taronga.com>
James Dehnert <zeke%znext.UUCP@nosc.mil>
Rick DeMattia <rad@railnet.nshore.ORG>
John G. Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Andrew Draskoy <andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca>
Cyberpixie <durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Eleanor Evans <eleanor@ait.com>
Mark R. Farnsworth <mrfg1991@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
A. T. Fear <cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Kevin Fitzpatrick <kfitzpa@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Maurice Forrester <mjforres@mailbox.syr.edu>
Chris Galas <ceg@pnet51.orb.mn.org>
Joy Haftel <JKH107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Roger L. Hale <roger@SST.LL.MIT.EDU>
Uncle Klaus <heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu>
Boris Hemkemeier <boris@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de>
Robert S. Hill <bhill@sundae.DNET.NASA.GOV>
Kenton A. Hoover <shibumi@turbo.bio.net>
Scott Horne <horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU>
Dave Hudson <tdh@ksr.com>
Diana Hulsey <hulsey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Roland Hutchinson <rhutchin@pilot.njin.net>
Randell Jesup <jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>
Dave Joyce <djoyce@black.clarku.edu>
Brian Kariger <bkariger@aunix.fullerton.edu>
Brendan Kehoe <brendan@cs.widener.edu>
Dave Kohr <drk@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu>
Edward Kovach <kovach@lees.cogsci.uiuc.edu>
"Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" <PATRICKL%EARLHAM.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Stuart L. Labovitz <stu@valinor.mythical.com>
Andy Latto <andy@lucid.com>
Suzanne McCaffrey <suzanne@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
Benjamin J. McCall <bjmccall@ooo.caltech.edu>
Todd McComb <mccombt@cs.rpi.edu>
Lola McCrary <lola@lucid.com>
Roland F. McKenney <mckenney@bubba.ma30.bull.com>
Paul Maclauchlan <paul@moore.com>
Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@diku.dk>
Steve Mitchell <steve@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us>
Malcolm Mladenovic <mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk>
William Moxley <mox@vpnet.chi.il.us>
John A. Murdie <john@minster.york.ac.uk>
Dave Murphy <djmurphy@wam.umd.edu>
Nick Stavros Nicholas <nsn@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU>
S. Nielsen <snielsen@computer-science.strathclyde.ac.uk>
Harald Nordgard-Hansen <hhansen@kjemi.unit.no>
Barbara Nostrand <bnostrand@lynx.northeastern.edu>
Conor O'Neill <conor@inmos.co.uk>
Maryline G. Parca <parca@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Toivo Pedaste <toivo@sage.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
George J. Perkins <perkins@msupa.pa.msu.edu>
Chris Phillips <phillips@bright.uoregon.edu>
Bently Preece <npdiss1!preece@npdiss1.stpaul.NCR.COM>
Renegade <RKR103@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Serious Moonlighter (Marc Raman?) <cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU>
Paul Reilly <paul@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu>
Sendhil Revuluri <s-revuluri@uchicago.ed>
John Rickert <rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Wolfgang Rohdewald <asoftus!wr@uunet.UU.NET>
Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n <HBROSEN@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL>
Prof. Hannah Rose'n <HANROSEN@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL>
David E. Sanders <00123646@YSUB.YSU.EDU>
David Sansone <sansone@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Don Sawtelle <mariposa!sawtelle@netcom.com>
Frank Schauerte <schauerte@gmr.com>
Michael S. Schiffer <mss2@midway.uchicago.edu>
Antti Simola <asimola@lesti.hut.fi>
Sally Smith <sally@tardis.Tymnet.COM>
Sven Spanne <sven@maths.lth.se>
Karel Stokkermans <kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at>
Jeff Suzuki <jeffs@math.bu.edu>
Otto Tennant <jot@teak.cray.com>
Gary Thomas <garyt@hpdmlfn.boi.hp.com>
Cary Timar <cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Lynda L. True <shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com>
David Turrell <turrell@violet.berkeley.edu>
Daniel Veditz <daniel@borland.com>
David Wald <wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
Jade Walker <sasjw3@unx.sas.com>
R. Wallace <cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Bill Walther <bwalther@ccs.carleton.ca>
Christopher Ward <cward@mordor.dseg.ti.com>
Steve Willner <willner%cfa183@harvard.harvard.edu>
A. Wilson <eia018@computing.lancaster.ac.uk>
Norman Yarvin <yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU>
Robert A. Zeh <razg7404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Wolfgang Zenker <wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu  &  cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
-- 
	-- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University


From cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Sun Apr 19 22:03:47 1992
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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.lang,rec.org.sca
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  sci.classics
Followup-To: poster
Date: 17 Apr 1992 17:08:20 -0400
Organization: Vanderbilt U. Math Grad Student
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Reply-To: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu

This is the third Call For Votes on a newsgroup for classical
studies.  At the end is a mass acknowlegdement of the votes that
we have registered so far.  If you have voted but are not listed,
please vote again, following the instructions below, carefully.

NAME: sci.classics

STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER:

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

VOTING:

All votes must be e-mailed directly to: votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
The voting period will run from March 27 to April 26.

Votes posted to the net, or forwarded by a third party, WILL NOT BE
ACCEPTED.

Each vote should state explicitly, in the subject line or in the first
line of the message, "I vote YES for sci.classics," or "I vote NO against
sci.classics."

Any comments, such as, "but I would prefer ..." or, "but I would vote
differently if ..." can be included *after* a clear statement of which
way you are voting.

An overworked graduate student will eventually send you a confirmation
of your vote.

A Second CFV and list of votes received will be posted in about two
weeks.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome
(I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to
Aramaic).  Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional
postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical
studies, but we would rather not encourage them.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.  From the perspective of classicists, it is
worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not
only the subjects currently called sciences.

The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported
proposals.  The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on
the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology,
and other aspects.  It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical
would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an
unfair invasion of their namespace.

Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for
humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*.  In order to get the CFV
out in a reasonable time, I am letting this issue wait.

If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found
to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a
change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the
discussions in the group itself, once it is created.
===========================================================================

MASS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
====================
As of April 16, we have registered votes from the following users
(sorted by surname, to the extent that that could be determined.)

	<Bongo.Drummer@splash.Princeton.EDU>
	<V106LR4H@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Cristy <cristy@magick.es.dupont.com>
The Shaman <shaman@mordor.dseg.ti.com>
Russell Ackerman <ria@math.ufl.edu>
Allan Adler <ara@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
Tom Albrecht <tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com>
Rich Alderson <alderson@leland.stanford.edu>
Benjamin Allen <allen-benjamin@CS.YALE.EDU>
Dawn Amos <dma@unx.sas.com>
William S. Annis <lestat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Ian Bacon <ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Sam Bassett <samlb@optilink.com>
Jane Bellemore <bellemor@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Louis Bertrand <tronix!louis>
James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Rahul Bonner <bon6@midway.uchicago.edu>
Paul H. Borcher <Paul.H.Borchers@um.cc.umich.edu>
Mark Brader <msb@sq.com>
William A. Bralick Jr. <wbralick@galaxy.afit.af.mil>
Roger H. Brown <rhb@mstr.hgc.edu>
Doug Brownell <dmb@jacobi.ucsd.edu>
Rick Bueker <rick@mec.jsc.nasa.gov>
Justin Bur <justin@crim.ca>
Hans Buurman <hans@ph.tn.tudelft.nl>
Mark Joseph Bylander <bylander@math.utexas.edu>
Jack Campin <jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
David Carlton <carlton@husc.harvard.edu>
John Chew <jjch@AIS.Berger-Levrault.FR>
Shih-tsun Alex Chou <shihtsun@ecn.purdue.edu>
Richard Commander <richardc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Michael A. Covington <mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Frits Daalmans <asstud3@sci.kun.nl>
Stephanie da Silva <arielle@taronga.com>
James Dehnert <zeke%znext.UUCP@nosc.mil>
Rick DeMattia <rad@railnet.nshore.ORG>
Kim DeVaughn <ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
John G. Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Andrew Draskoy <andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca>
Cyberpixie <durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Mark Eckenwiler <eck@panix.com>
Lowell Edmunds <edmunds@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
Eleanor Evans <eleanor@ait.com>
Mark R. Farnsworth <mrfg1991@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
A. T. Fear <cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Fearnley Anne <fearnley@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Kevin Fitzpatrick <kfitzpa@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Maurice Forrester <mjforres@mailbox.syr.edu>
Chris Galas <ceg@pnet51.orb.mn.org>
John Greer <grimoire@u.washington.edu>
Jacques Guy <j.guy@trl.OZ.AU>
Joy Haftel <JKH107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Roger L. Hale <roger@SST.LL.MIT.EDU>
Michael Hand <e343mh@tamuts.tamu.edu>
Ronda Hauben <au329@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
Uncle Klaus <heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu>
Wiljo Heinen <wiljo@freeside.ki.open.de>
Boris Hemkemeier <boris@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de>
Robert S. Hill <bhill@sundae.DNET.NASA.GOV>
Janne Himanka <janne@seita.oulu.fi>
Kenton A. Hoover <shibumi@turbo.bio.net>
Scott Horne <horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU>
Dave Hudson <tdh@ksr.com>
Diana Hulsey <hulsey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Roland Hutchinson <rhutchin@pilot.njin.net>
Randell Jesup <jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>
David A. Johns <daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu>
Dave Joyce <djoyce@black.clarku.edu>
Yeshik Meir Kahana <jpc7r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU>
Brian Kariger <bkariger@aunix.fullerton.edu>
Brendan Kehoe <brendan@cs.widener.edu>
Richard Kellermann <richardk@fwi.uva.nl>
Dave Kohr <drk@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu>
Edward Kovach <kovach@lees.cogsci.uiuc.edu>
"Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" <PATRICKL%EARLHAM.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Stuart L. Labovitz <stu@valinor.mythical.com>
Andy Latto <andy@lucid.com>
Suzanne McCaffrey <suzanne@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
Benjamin J. McCall <bjmccall@ooo.caltech.edu>
Todd McComb <mccombt@cs.rpi.edu>
Lola McCrary <lola@lucid.com>
Roland F. McKenney <mckenney@bubba.ma30.bull.com>
Paul Maclauchlan <paul@moore.com>
Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@diku.dk>
Sara Maxwell <smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
Steve Mitchell <steve@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us>
Malcolm Mladenovic <mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk>
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
Tony Mountifield <tony@microware.co.uk>
William Moxley <mox@vpnet.chi.il.us>
John A. Murdie <john@minster.york.ac.uk>
Dave Murphy <djmurphy@wam.umd.edu>
Nick Stavros Nicholas <nsn@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU>
S. Nielsen <snielsen@computer-science.strathclyde.ac.uk>
Harald Nordgard-Hansen <hhansen@kjemi.unit.no>
Barbara Nostrand <bnostrand@lynx.northeastern.edu>
James O'Donnell <JODONNEL@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>
Douglas Olson <sdoclass@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Conor O'Neill <conor@inmos.co.uk>
Maryline G. Parca <parca@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Dr Roger D. Parks <pain!rogerp@hermix.markv.com>
Toivo Pedaste <toivo@sage.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
George J. Perkins <perkins@msupa.pa.msu.edu>
Christopher Pettus <cep@apple.com>
Chris Phillips <phillips@bright.uoregon.edu>
Roger Phillips <roger@quantime.co.uk>
Bently Preece <npdiss1!preece@npdiss1.stpaul.NCR.COM>
Renegade <RKR103@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Serious Moonlighter (Marc Reeve) <cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU>
George Matthew Regnery <regnery@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Paul Reilly <paul@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu>
Sendhil Revuluri <s-revuluri@uchicago.ed>
John Rickert <rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Carl Rigney <cdr@kpc.com>
Webb Roberts <gt2341c@prism.gatech.edu>
Wolfgang Rohdewald <asoftus!wr@uunet.UU.NET>
Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n <HBROSEN@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL>
Prof. Hannah Rose'n <HANROSEN@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL>
Chip Rosenthal <chip@chinacat.unicom.com>
David E. Sanders <00123646@YSUB.YSU.EDU>
David Sansone <sansone@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Don Sawtelle <mariposa!sawtelle@netcom.com>
David Schairer <njal@aal.itd.umich.edu>
Frank Schauerte <schauerte@gmr.com>
Michael S. Schiffer <mss2@midway.uchicago.edu>
B. Schlesinger <BSCHLESINGER@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Mark Shields <MAS35790@KSUVM.KSU.EDU>
Antti Simola <asimola@lesti.hut.fi>
Alden Smith <alden@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
Sally Smith <sally@tardis.Tymnet.COM>
Sven Spanne <sven@maths.lth.se>
Karel Stokkermans <kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at>
David W. Summers <dws@cseg03.uark.edu>
Jeff Suzuki <jeffs@math.bu.edu>
Christian Taube <taube@oregon.uoregon.edu>
Otto Tennant <jot@teak.cray.com>
Gary Thomas <garyt@hpdmlfn.boi.hp.com>
Cary Timar <cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Henry (H.W.) Troup <HWT@BNR.CA>
Lynda L. True <shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com>
Cliff Tuel <ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu>
David Turrell <turrell@violet.berkeley.edu>
Rob van Gerwen <Rob.vanGerwen@phil.ruu.nl>
Daniel Veditz <daniel@borland.com>
David Wald <wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
Jade Walker <sasjw3@unx.sas.com>
R. Wallace <cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Bill Walther <bwalther@ccs.carleton.ca>
Christopher Ward <cward@mordor.dseg.ti.com>
Weber <weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de>
Andrew Werling	<awerling@NMSU.Edu>
Steve Willner <willner%cfa183@harvard.harvard.edu>
A. Wilson <eia018@computing.lancaster.ac.uk>
Norman Yarvin <yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU>
Robert A. Zeh <razg7404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Wolfgang Zenker <wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org>
Joann Zimmerman <jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>

John Rickert and Cary Timar, Vanderbilt University, Nashville
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu  &  cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
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	-- Cary Timar, Mathematics Department, Vanderbilt University

From votes@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu Tue Apr 28 12:12:49 1992
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Subject: RESULT:  sci.classics passes 159: 34
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The results of the vote on a newsgroup for classical studies were:
159 votes in favour, 34 votes opposed.  There will be a five day waiting
period in which any errors should be brought to our attention.  If, as
seems likely, there are not enough errors to eliminate the 25 vote
safety margin, the new group will be created in a few days.

At the end is a list of the votes that we have registered.  If your vote
is listed incorrectly, if you see a vote that you believe to be invalid,
or if you wish to indicate any irregularities in the voting, please
reply immediately, or the new group creation will go ahead as planned.

NAME: sci.classics

STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER:

For discussion of Classical Studies, especially, but not exclusively, the
study of Classical Greek and Roman culture, languages, history, and art.

COMMENTS:

An increasing number of news subscribers have academic interests in the
humanities.  It is time that some of the more popular of these subjects
had their own groups.  Up till now, discussion of classical studies has
been taking place both in sci.lang (where it doesn't belong) and in
rec.org.sca (where it of primarily peripheral interest).  A preliminary
discussion, in those two groups, suggests that there is some support for
a group dedicated to classical studies.

Other topics that are peripheral to classical studies - Sanskrit, Aramaic,
Biblical cultures, Medieval and Modern Latin and so forth - will be welcome
(I imagine that there would not be enough support for a group dedicated to
Aramaic).  Experience suggests that there is no way to prevent occasional
postings on subjects that are completely outside the realm of classical
studies, but we would rather not encourage them.

Several respondents commented on the explanation above.  It is not meant
to be in any way restrictive or definitive.  It was intended primarily
to give non-classicists some idea of what Classical Studies includes.

We had other comments on the name.  Some of the voters, on both sides,
felt that a different name would be better.  This can be debated more
easily once the group is formed.

The only hierarchy for academic topics is sci.*.  This has the side
benefit of obviating future debates to classify subjects as social
sciences or humanities.  From the perspective of classicists, it is
worth noting that the Latin scientia referred to all knowledge, not
only the subjects currently called sciences.

The name sci.classics is the most general of the more widely supported
proposals.  The other, sci.lang.classical, places too much emphasis on
the languages, at the expense of history, art, culture, archaeology,
and other aspects.  It also appeared that the name sci.lang.classical
would be opposed by some readers of sci.lang, who viewed it as an
unfair invasion of their namespace.

Some proposed that the group be the first of a new subhierarchy for
humanities, sci.arts.* or sci.humanities.*.  In order to get the CFV
out in a reasonable time, I let this issue wait.

Others felt that the group belonged in the soc.* hierarchy (either
assuming that Classical Studies is a Social Science (!) or that it is
merely an excuse for socializing) or in misc.*.  

If a humanities subhierarchy is formed, if the newsgroup name is found
to attract too many misplaced postings, or if for some other reason a
change of name is found desirable, it will be easier to conduct the
discussions in the group itself, once it is created.
===========================================================================

Votes were received from the following (in alphabetical order by
surname, as far as that could be determined)

YES:
----
?? <V106LR4H@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
?? <emfx@midway.uchicago.edu>
Russell Ackerman <ria@math.ufl.edu>
Allan Adler <ara@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
Rich Alderson <alderson@leland.stanford.edu>
Andrea Aldridge <n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Benjamin Allen <allen-benjamin@CS.YALE.EDU>
Dawn Amos <dma@unx.sas.com>
Norm Andrews <norm@mtuxo.att.com>
William S. Annis <lestat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Ian Bacon <ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Lt. J.D. Baldwin <baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil>
Sam Bassett <samlb@optilink.com>
John Bauer <bauer@ie.pa.uky.edu>
Jane Bellemore <bellemor@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Louis Bertrand <tronix!louis>
James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
John Blasik <john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>
Rahul Bonner <bon6@midway.uchicago.edu>
Paul H. Borcher <Paul.H.Borchers@um.cc.umich.edu>
William A. Bralick Jr. <wbralick@galaxy.afit.af.mil>
Doug Brownell <dmb@jacobi.ucsd.edu>
Rick Bueker <rick@mec.jsc.nasa.gov>
Justin Bur <justin@crim.ca>
Hans Buurman <hans@ph.tn.tudelft.nl>
Mark Joseph Bylander <bylander@math.utexas.edu>
Jack Campin <jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
David Carlton <carlton@husc.harvard.edu>
John Chew <jjch@AIS.Berger-Levrault.FR>
Richard Commander <richardc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Michael A. Covington <mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu>
John Cowan <cbmvax!snark.thyrsus.com!cowan@uunet.UU.NET>
Frits Daalmans <asstud3@sci.kun.nl>
Stephanie da Silva <arielle@taronga.com>
James Dehnert <zeke%znext.UUCP@nosc.mil>
Jonathan Delatizky <delatizk@BBN.COM>
Rick DeMattia <rad@railnet.nshore.ORG>
Ivan A Derzhanski <iad@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk>
John G. Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
Andrew Draskoy <andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca>
Mark Eckenwiler <eck@panix.com>
Lowell Edmunds <edmunds@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
Eleanor Evans <eleanor@ait.com>
Benjamin Fan <ST702424@brownvm.brown.edu>
Mark R. Farnsworth <mrfg1991@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
A. T. Fear <cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Fearnley Anne <fearnley@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Alvaro Fernandes <alvaro@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk>
Kevin Fitzpatrick <kfitzpa@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Maurice Forrester <mjforres@mailbox.syr.edu>
Andrew AJ Foxx <foxxjac!foxx@uunet.UU.NET>
Christina Freeman <kat@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Chris Galas <ceg@pnet51.orb.mn.org>
Patrick Garvin <PTGARVIN@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu>
John Greer <grimoire@u.washington.edu>
Jacques Guy <j.guy@trl.OZ.AU>
Andrew Hackard <andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Joy Haftel <JKH107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Roger L. Hale <roger@SST.LL.MIT.EDU>
Dean Hallford <dhallford@sciences.sdsu.edu>
Michael Hand <e343mh@tamuts.tamu.edu>
Ronda Hauben <au329@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
"Uncle Klaus" <heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu>
Wiljo Heinen <wiljo@freeside.ki.open.de>
Boris Hemkemeier <boris@math10.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de>
Robert S. Hill <bhill@sundae.DNET.NASA.GOV>
Janne Himanka <janne@seita.oulu.fi>
Kenton A. Hoover <shibumi@turbo.bio.net>
Dave Hudson <tdh@ksr.com>
Diana Hulsey <hulsey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Roland Hutchinson <rhutchin@pilot.njin.net>
Randell Jesup <jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>
David A. Johns <daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu>
Frank Kaefer <fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org>
Brian Kariger <bkariger@aunix.fullerton.edu>
Marion Kee <Marion.Kee@A.NL.CS.CMU.EDU>
Brendan Kehoe <brendan@cs.widener.edu>
Richard Kellermann <richardk@fwi.uva.nl>
Dave Kohr <drk@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu>
Edward Kovach <kovach@lees.cogsci.uiuc.edu>
"Happy, happy, happy; Joy, joy, joy!" <PATRICKL%EARLHAM.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Stuart L. Labovitz <stu@valinor.mythical.com>
Seth Leichter <leichter@cs.widener.edu>
Suzanne McCaffrey <suzanne@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu>
Benjamin J. McCall <bjmccall@ooo.caltech.edu>
Todd McComb <mccombt@cs.rpi.edu>
Lola McCrary <lola@lucid.com>
Roland F. McKenney <mckenney@bubba.ma30.bull.com>
Lars Henrik Mathiesen <thorinn@diku.dk>
Sara Maxwell <smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
Margaret Mikulska <mikulska@astro.Princeton.EDU>
Steve Mitchell <steve@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us>
Malcolm Mladenovic <mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk>
Tony Mountifield <tony@microware.co.uk>
Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
Michael Nakamaye <nakamaye-michael@MATH.YALE.EDU>
Nick Stavros Nicholas <nsn@mullian.ee.Mu.OZ.AU>
Harald Nordgard-Hansen <hhansen@kjemi.unit.no>
Barbara Nostrand <bnostrand@lynx.northeastern.edu>
Deborah Nunn <nunn@sura.net>
James O'Donnell <JODONNEL@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>
Douglas Olson <sdoclass@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Magnus Olsson <magnus@thep.lu.se>
Paul Palmer <palmerp@MATH.ORST.EDU>
Maryline G. Parca <parca@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Dr Roger D. Parks <pain!rogerp@hermix.markv.com>
Toivo Pedaste <toivo@sage.ucs.uwa.edu.au>
George J. Perkins <perkins@msupa.pa.msu.edu>
Christopher Pettus <cep@apple.com>
Roger Phillips <roger@quantime.co.uk>
Bently Preece <npdiss1!preece@npdiss1.stpaul.NCR.COM>
Marc Reeve <cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU>
George Matthew Regnery <regnery@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Paul Reilly <paul@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu>
Sendhil Revuluri <s-revuluri@uchicago.ed>
John Rickert <rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Wolfgang Rohdewald <asoftus!wr@uunet.UU.NET>
Prof. Haiim B. Rose'n <HBROSEN@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL>
Prof. Hannah Rose'n <HANROSEN@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL>
David E. Sanders <00123646@YSUB.YSU.EDU>
David Sansone <sansone@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Don Sawtelle <mariposa!sawtelle@netcom.com>
David Schairer <njal@aal.itd.umich.edu>
Frank Schauerte <schauerte@gmr.com>
Michael S. Schiffer <mss2@midway.uchicago.edu>
B. Schlesinger <BSCHLESINGER@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Ulrik Serges <kemius@aau.dk>
Mark Shields <MAS35790@KSUVM.KSU.EDU>
Antti Simola <asimola@lesti.hut.fi>
Ralph Sims <ralphs@halcyon.com>
Dorai Sitaram <dorai@cs.rice.edu>
Alden Smith <alden@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
Sally Smith <sally@tardis.Tymnet.COM>
Sven Spanne <sven@maths.lth.se>
Karel Stokkermans <kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at>
Jeff Suzuki <jeffs@math.bu.edu>
Christian Taube <taube@oregon.uoregon.edu>
Otto Tennant <jot@teak.cray.com>
Gary Thomas <garyt@hpdmlfn.boi.hp.com>
Cary Timar <cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Henry (H.W.) Troup <HWT@BNR.CA>
Lynda L. True <shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com>
Patricia O Tuama <rissa@cs.uchicago.edu>
David Turrell <turrell@violet.berkeley.edu>
Rob van Gerwen <Rob.vanGerwen@phil.ruu.nl>
Daniel Veditz <daniel@borland.com>
Patrick E Visel <pvisel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
David Wald <wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu>
Jade Walker <sasjw3@unx.sas.com>
R. Wallace <cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Bill Walther <bwalther@ccs.carleton.ca>
Skip Watson <ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us>
Weber <weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de>
Andrew Werling	<awerling@NMSU.Edu>
Alan R Williams <alanrw@computer-science.manchester.ac.uk>
A. Wilson <eia018@computing.lancaster.ac.uk>
Mikhail Zeleny <zeleny@math.harvard.edu>
Wolfgang Zenker <wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org>
Joann Zimmerman <jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>

NO:
---
?? <Bongo.Drummer@splash.Princeton.EDU>
Cristy <cristy@magick.es.dupont.com>
"The Shaman" <shaman@mordor.dseg.ti.com>
Tom Albrecht <tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com>
Mark Brader <msb@sq.com>
Daniel Briggs <dbriggs@zia.AOC.NRAO.EDU>
Roger H. Brown <rhb@mstr.hgc.edu>
Shih-tsun Alex Chou <shihtsun@ecn.purdue.edu>
Kim DeVaughn <ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>
"Cyberpixie" <durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Tom Fitzgerald <fitz@wang.com>
Scott Horne <horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU>
Dave Joyce <djoyce@black.clarku.edu>
Yeshik Meir Kahana <jpc7r@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU>
Andy Latto <andy@lucid.com>
Paul Maclauchlan <paul@moore.com>
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
William Moxley <mox@vpnet.chi.il.us>
John A. Murdie <john@minster.york.ac.uk>
Dave Murphy <djmurphy@wam.umd.edu>
S. Nielsen <snielsen@computer-science.strathclyde.ac.uk>
Conor O'Neill <conor@inmos.co.uk>
Chris Phillips <phillips@bright.uoregon.edu>
"Renegade" <RKR103@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Neil W Rickert <rickert@cs.niu.edu>
Carl Rigney <cdr@kpc.com>
Webb Roberts <gt2341c@prism.gatech.edu>
Chip Rosenthal <chip@chinacat.unicom.com>
David W. Summers <dws@cseg03.uark.edu>
Cliff Tuel <ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu>
Christopher Ward <cward@mordor.dseg.ti.com>
Steve Willner <willner%cfa183@harvard.harvard.edu>
Norman Yarvin <yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU>
Robert A. Zeh <razg7404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
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rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu  &  cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu