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From: kqb@whscad1.att.com (Kevin Q Brown)
Subject: RFD: sci.cryonics
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Keywords: cryonics, biostasis, suspended animation, nanotechnology
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Request for Discussion:
Proposed group: sci.cryonics
Status: Moderated (proposed moderator: Kevin Q. Brown)
Followup: news.groups
Purpose:
Cryonic suspension is an experimental procedure whereby patients
who can no longer be kept alive with today's medical abilities are
preserved at low temperature for treatment in the future.
This newsgroup will be the place to keep up-to-date on topics related
to cryonics, which include biochemistry of memory, low temperature
biology, new cryonics-related research and publications, legal status
of cryonics and cryonically suspended people, nanotechnology and cell
repair machines, mass media coverage of cryonics, conferences, and
local cryonics group meetings.
Rationale:
A cryonics mailing list (moderated by Kevin Q. Brown) has been
running for almost four years and the mailing list size and
message frequency now have reached "critical mass" for forming a
USENET news group. Reaching a wider audience is important for
two reasons:
(1) we have found that a small, but significant, percentage
of the population is looking for something like a newsgroup
on cryonics but does not know where to look and
(2) cryonics needs a lot of research, critical thought,
skilled and knowledgeable communication, and other support
to succeed, and everyone will benefit from its success.
Naming:
Would another newsgroup name be better? For example, some people
prefer sci.med.cryonics because a cryonic suspension is, more
than anything else, a medical procedure. Others, noting that
reanimation from cryonic suspension cannot succeed without
advanced nanotechnology, prefer sci.nanotech.cryonics. Since the
practice of cryonics is so inter-disciplinary, however, most prefer
simply sci.cryonics. Other people, referring to the currently
controversial status of cryonics, prefer a name outside the
sci.* hierarchy altogether.
Discussion Period:
The discussion period will be at most one month and at least two
weeks (depending on how quickly we resolve our questions about
the proposed group sufficiently for producing a Call For Votes).
Acknowledgements
Many people have contributed their thoughts on creating a USENET
cryonics newsgroup. In particular, my thanks (in alphabetical
order by last name) to:
Keith Henson (hkhenson@cup.portal.com)
Perry Metzger (perry@gnu.ai.mit.edu)
Russell Whitaker (71750.2413@CompuServe.com)
Of course, any errors in this message are mine.
Kevin Q. Brown
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INTERNET kqb@whscad1.att.com
From kqb@whscad1.att.com Thu Jun 11 14:29:49 1992
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From: kqb@whscad1.att.com (Kevin Q Brown)
Subject: CFV: sci.cryonics
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Keywords: cryonics, biostasis, suspended animation
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Call For Votes:
Proposed group: sci.cryonics
Status: Unmoderated
Voting Period: June 8, 1992 - June 30, 1992 Eastern Daylight Time
Charter:
Cryonic suspension is an experimental procedure whereby patients
who can no longer be kept alive with today's medical abilities are
preserved at low temperature for treatment in the future.
This newsgroup will be the place to keep up-to-date on topics related
to cryonics, which include biochemistry of memory, low temperature
biology, new cryonics-related research and publications, legal status
of cryonics and cryonically suspended people, nanotechnology and cell
repair machines, mass media coverage of cryonics, conferences, and
local cryonics group meetings.
Rationale:
A cryonics mailing list (moderated by Kevin Q. Brown) has been
running for almost four years and the mailing list size and
message frequency now have reached "critical mass" for forming a
USENET news group. Reaching a wider audience is important for
two reasons:
(1) we have found that a number of people have been looking for
something like a newsgroup on cryonics but do not know where
to look and
(2) cryonics needs a lot of research, critical thought,
skilled and knowledgeable communication, and other support
to succeed, and everyone will benefit from its success.
Voting Procedure:
Tim Freeman has kindly offered his services to do the vote counting.
To send a "yes" vote, send email to:
tsf=yes@cs.cmu.edu
and to send a "no" vote, send email to:
tsf=no@cs.cmu.edu
The subject line and body of the email are ignored. His software
will acknowledge your vote automatically, while also logging it for
his records. If you vote more than once, only your last vote
received will be counted in the final tally.
Note: Please do not send your vote to me; use only the above two
addresses. Also, be certain to send to the user id "tsf=yes" or
"tsf=no", exactly as written above, because the names "yes" and "no"
by themselves will not work. If you do not receive an acknowledgment
within 24 hours, you may inquire at tsf@cs.cmu.edu to verify that the
vote was received.
DO NOT POST YOUR VOTE! Posted votes will not be counted.
Voting Period:
All votes must be received by Tim Freeman at the above two addresses
before midnight June 30, 1992, Eastern Daylight Time. (ie. The date
he receives the email must be in June, not July, in his local time.)
Any votes received in July will be discarded.
Kevin Q. Brown
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From tsf@CS.CMU.EDU Tue Jul 7 14:29:54 1992
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From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
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Subject: RESULT: sci.cryonics passes 205:58
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These are the results for the vote about creating sci.cryonics. It
passed, 205 to 58. The votes appear below in alphabetical order. There
will now be a five day period during which people have a chance to
find errors, repeated votes, missing votes, and other strange things
in the list; the final tally will be announced on July 7, 1992.
Yes votes:
Adam Schenker (GE) <schenker@suntan.ec.usf.edu>
Ailing_Zhu_Freeman@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
"A.J. Clifford" <100042.2703@CompuServe.COM>
akin@tuolumne.asd.sgi.com
ALAN BINNIE <binnie@bchm1.aclcb.purdue.edu>
alan@ros6.gsfc.nasa.gov (Alan Smale)
ALLEN SMITH <ALLENS%EARLHAM.BITNET@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU>
Andreas Haug <andreas@atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de>
Andrew Davidson <72717.212@CompuServe.COM>
anthony@meaddata.com (Anthony Napier)
arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
arika@cserver.plexus.com (Arik Anderson)
a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (arthur rubin)
"A.T." Fear <cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk>
Bill McCormick <billmcc@seanews.wa.com>
biosys!joe@uunet.UU.NET (Joe Silva)
bjm@ceti.csustan.edu (Barb Moose)
blupe@ruth.UUCP (Brian A. Stewart)
Bob Bickford <rab@well.sf.ca.us>
Bob Smart <72027.3210@CompuServe.COM>
Bob Yazz <yazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com>
bogart!jlind@ub-gate.UB.com (Jeffrey Lind)
boo!drc!alizard@PacBell.COM (A.Lizard)
brenda peters <72727.560@CompuServe.COM>
brent@myka.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Brent J. Krawchuk)
Brian Wowk <73337.2723@CompuServe.COM>
brian@psych.purdue.edu (Brian Berndt)
bronson@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Patrick K. Bronson)
Bruce White 3807 <bw@ws029.torreypinesca.NCR.COM>
bsmart@bsmart (Bob Smart)
cad@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Charles Alan Daniel)
cal@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Craig A. Leger)
carolshaw@cup.portal.com
caruso@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Anthony J. Caruso)
ceg@*.MN.org (Chris Galas)
"Charles.Hargraves" <KAMCHAR@msu.edu>
chris@peregrine.com (Chris Cole)
Clay Bridges <clay+@cs.cmu.edu>
cooley@equalizer.fps.com (Jud Cooley)
cox@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Mark Cox)
crow!zo!dgordon@ccut.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Gordon)
CSG0669@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK
Daniel Hitt <hitt@CS.Stanford.EDU>
darran@chaos.phys.sfu.ca (Darran Edmundson)
Dave-M@cup.portal.com
David Krieger <dkrieger%monty@rand.org>
david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth)
david@ruc.dk (David Stodolsky)
dbriggs@zia.AOC.NRAO.EDU (Daniel Briggs)
dennis@ssel.toshiba.co.jp (Dennis Montgomery)
dgarrett@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett)
Dieter Hoffmann <diho@hpeaso15.bbn.hp.com>
dmi@peregrine.com (Dean Inada)
Doug Platt <76260.1411@CompuServe.COM>
dyer@marble.rtsg.mot.com (Bill Dyer)
eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Edd <jje@testudo.oasis.icl.co.uk>
edgar@spectrx.Saigon.COM (Edgar W. Swank)
Eric Hunt <bsc835!ehunt@uunet.UU.NET>
eric@parallax.com (Eric Messick)
Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
ewolfe@attcr.attmail.com
fdeming@aecmail.Prime.COM (Frank Deming {x6088})
fleischer@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
fmrco!kaizen!ahall@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Hall)
Forrest H Bennett <forrest@well.sf.ca.us>
foxxjac!foxx (Andrew "AJ" Foxx)
Frank Blau <fblau@well.sf.ca.us>
franz@cs.washington.edu (Franz G. Amador)
Garret Smyth <100030.254@CompuServe.COM>
gav@houxa.att.com
ghsvax!hal@uunet.UU.NET (Hal Finney)
Graham Wilson <lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
gregor@fredrik.oit.itd.umich.edu (Gregor Purdy)
habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)
Hank Lederer <76436.3573@CompuServe.COM>
Harvey Newstrom <hnewstrom@hnewstrom.ess.harris.com>
hkhenson@cup.portal.com
hrubin@l.cc.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
IEAXT@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
jabr@cs.umb.edu (John M. Abreau)
Jack E. Wilkinson <jackw@drbear.COM>
janzen@mprgate.mpr.ca (Martin Janzen)
jap@cb1focus.att.com
jas@oasis.icl.co.uk (Jason Morris)
jfg%dxcern.cern.ch@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU (Jean Francois Groff)
jgs@merit.edu
jkreznar@ininx.com (John E. Kreznar)
jmcpherson@ucsd.edu
Joan Eslinger <wombat@kilimanjaro.key.amdahl.com>
JOE POTTS <JPOTTS@ALEXANDRIA.LIB.UTAH.EDU>
johan@teracons.com (Johan Strandberg)
John_David_Galt@cup.portal.com
johng@oce.orst.edu (John Gregor)
Jon Leech <leech@cs.unc.edu>
Joseph Troxel <jtroxel@u.washington.edu>
josh@cs.rutgers.edu
jrk@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway)
kari@teracons.teracons.com (Kari Dubbelman)
"Karl M. Waldman" <kwaldman@BBN.COM>
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@access.digex.com>
Ken Kahn <kahn@parc.xerox.com>
kevin@tamri.com (Kevin Dalley)
kqb@whscad1.att.com
krisna@cs.wisc.edu (Krishna Kunchithapadam)
lange@CS.UCLA.EDU (Trent Lange)
Laura Gillespie <laura@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com>
lefty@apple.com
Leonard N. Zubkoff <lnz@lucid.com>
Lola McCrary <lola@lucid.com>
lordSnooty@cup.portal.com
lubkin@apollo.hp.com (David Lubkin)
mad-celt@odin.unomaha.edu (Andrew Patrick Booth)
majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander)
Mark Edward Desilets <desilets@skylab.src.umd.edu>
mcewin@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Mike McEwin)
mday@icon.com (Matt Day)
mec@garnet.berkeley.edu (Michael Chastain)
Michael Clive Price <100034.3077@CompuServe.COM>
Michael R Linksvayer <mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
michael@xanadu.com (Michael McClary)
mike@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Micheal B. O'Neal)
mikec@engr.latech.edu (Mike Carroll)
mimsy@leland.stanford.edu (Steve Mims)
miron@cs.sfu.ca (Miron S. Cuperman)
mmass@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Massing)
mmm@icon.com (Mark Muhlestein)
moose.heurikon.com!lampman%heurikon.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Ray Lampman)
mortis@ruth.UUCP (Bill Hartwell)
MVOELKER@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
nat@netcom.com (Nathaniel Stitt)
noelie@apollo.hp.com (Noelie Alito)
oberon@acme.gen.nz (Ard Ri)
OTTO@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
overlord!pves-server!MKIELSKY@sunburn.West.Sun.COM (MICHAEL G KIELSKY)
Paul Wakfer <70023.3041@CompuServe.COM>
paulj@tigercat.den.mmc.com (Paul Johnson)
pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Pete Boulay <PJB4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Peter Alexander Merel <pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>
ph600fdd@sdcc14.UCSD.EDU (ph600fdd)
pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
prefect@nevada.edu
pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU
pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake)
Ralph Merkle <merkle@parc.xerox.com>
rasch@leland.stanford.edu
ravi@xanadu.com
Ray Ingles <ingles@engin.umich.edu>
rayg@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Ray F. Gasser)
rfm@whscad1.att.com
rhcohen@netcom.com (Robert Cohen)
"Richard Schroeppel" <rcs@cs.arizona.edu>
robertj@autodesk.com (Young Rob Jellinghaus)
Rodney Alan Price <100031.2072@CompuServe.COM>
Ronald Hale-Evans <EVANS@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Ross Beresford <ross@dickens.demon.co.uk>
rossen@sfu.ca (Erik Rossen)
rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck)
rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
"Russell E. Whitaker" <71750.2413@CompuServe.COM>
rwj@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Richard W. Jamison)
sasha@cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko)
shapard@manta.nosc.mil (Thomas D. Shapard)
sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Simon <S.Juden@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
SOREFF@FSHVMFK1.VNET.IBM.COM
srs@oasis.icl.co.uk (Steve Strong)
"Stephen J. Whitrow" <100034.3102@CompuServe.COM>
Steve Bridge <72320.1642@CompuServe.COM>
Steve Coltrin <steve@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Steve Saunders <saunders@apple.com>
"Steven B. Harris" <71450.1773@CompuServe.COM>
"Steven N. Crane" <scrane@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Stig Hemmer <stig@lise.unit.no>
swildner@channelz.GUN.de (Sascha Wildner)
sw@smds.com (Steve E. Witham)
The Juggler <juggler@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
thelema!STella@uunet.UU.NET
Thomas Gramstad <sigar@ifi.uio.no>
Thomas Hagadorn (LRAD/FRB) <hagadorn@BRL.MIL>
Thomas Mc Kendree <mckendre@sal-sun59.usc.edu>
tijc02!pjs269@uunet.UU.NET (Paul Schmidt)
tim@animal.gcs.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Tim_Bates@bio.aukuni.ac.nz
Timothy_Freeman@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
tlb@aurora.engr.latech.edu (Thomas Lee Bont)
tolman%bentley@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
Tony Rogers <TNROGERS@MTUS5.cts.mtu.edu>
tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Terence P. Ma)
trbundy@Athena.MIT.EDU
tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)
turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
UC482529@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu
V136PDS9@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
wdye@cse.unl.edu (William Dye)
widener!cpp!kiyoshi@uunet.UU.NET (Kiyoshi Kuromiya)
wordy@lorien.qualcomm.com
yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu
Yasuki Saito <yaski@expert-sun.ntt.jp>
No votes:
abeals@autodesk.com (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
baxter@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Baxter Garcia)
bhanafee@ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
bill@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (William F. Mullin)
blj@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu (Bob Janssens)
bls101@watson.anu.edu.au (Barbara La Scala)
Bob Snyder <RSNYDER@ATL.dnet.ge.com>
Charles Platt <71042.3557@CompuServe.COM>
charlie@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Charlie Chang)
"Chris J. Davis" <chris@airdata.socal.com>
davidb%kuwait@Sun.COM (David Brynell)
djoyce@black.clarku.edu (Dave Joyce)
dkfenger@sirius.UVic.CA (David Fenger)
ed@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Ed Geraghty)
eileen@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Eileen Sipperley)
foxey@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (John Foxe)
George Kimeldorf <kmldorf@utdallas.edu>
gondwana@basalt.mit.edu (Matthias Imhof)
Helge Hauglin <helgeha@ifi.uio.no>
henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
homebru!smith!dick@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com
htodd@wrgate.wr.tek.com (Hisashi Todd Fujinaka)
huff@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU (Edward J. Huff)
Jeff Schultz <jws@cs.mu.OZ.AU>
jfritz@rdrc.rpi.edu
jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Joel B Levin <levin@BBN.COM>
joe@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (No Exit)
John G Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu
lori@monster.umd.edu (Lori Spier)
lost@Athena.MIT.EDU
luigi@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Luigi Arena)
MAJ@waikato.ac.nz
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
maus@fid.Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin)
merrill@cns.bu.edu
Mike Fessler <MIKEF@brownvm.brown.edu>
Norbert Bollow <bollow@math.ethz.ch>
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Leonard J. Peirce)
pugh@cs.UMD.EDU (Bill Pugh)
red@uhura.neoucom.EDU (Richard E. Depew)
rich@grayhawk.rent.com (Richard Harms)
rick@CRICK.SSCTR.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Robert Allan Zeh <razeh@symcom.math.uiuc.edu>
"Rocky J. Jenkins" <jenkirj@WKUVX1.BITNET>
rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (R. P. White)
Saul Tannenbaum <SAUL_SY@hnrc.tufts.edu>
shem@zombie.oulu.fi (Janne Himanka)
tarl@apache.sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
"Timothy J. Allison" <tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU>
tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu (Real life? Ha!)
upper@math.berkeley.edu (Daniel R. Upper)
Werner Uhrig <werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu>
William Lewis <wiml@u.washington.edu>
wolves!ggw@duke.cs.duke.edu (Gregory G. Woodbury)
yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin)
From jstrout@ucsd.edu Wed Mar 19 09:15:10 1997
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From: Joseph Strout <jstrout@ucsd.edu>
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Subject: RFD: moderate sci.cryonics
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group sci.cryonics (moderates existing group)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for changing the status
of the existing group sci.cryonics from unmoderated to moderated.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
Newsgroup lines:
sci.cryonics Cryonics and related topics. (Moderated)
RATIONALE: sci.cryonics
The existing unmoderated group sci.cryonics has been suffering from a
decreasing signal/noise ratio. In addition to the usual cross-posted
spam, there have been numerous personal attacks of a highly offensive
nature posted from anonymous remailers, as well as forged messages
apparently from legitimate members of the group. This traffic is
damaging to the members of the group, as well as to the cryonics
community as a whole. Changing the newsgroup from unmoderated to
moderated should greatly reduce the volume of such messages, and so
enhance the value of the group.
CHARTER: sci.cryonics
Cryonic suspension is an experimental procedure whereby patients who
can no longer be kept alive with today's medical abilities are
preserved at low temperature for treatment in the future. This
newsgroup will be the place to keep up-to-date on topics related to
cryonics, which include biochemistry of memory, low temperature
biology, new cryonics-related research and publications, legal status
of cryonics and cryonically suspended people, nanotechnology and cell
repair machines, mass media coverage of cryonics, conferences, and
local cryonics group meetings.
Unacceptable messages include personal attacks, messages posted
without a valid sender address, and any message not pertaining to the
topics above.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.cryonics
Moderator: Keith F. Lynch <kfl@access.digex.net>
<http://www.access.digex.net/~kfl/>
Keith has been active on the net for 20 years. He is vice president
of the Life Extension Society. He maintains an indexed and cross-
referenced archive of the Cryonet mailing list (he does not maintain
the list itself, however).
Backup Moderator: Joseph J. Strout <jstrout@ucsd.edu>
<http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/~jstrout/>
Joe has been reading sci.cryonics and the CRYONET mailing list since
1993. He is currently pursuing his Ph.D. in Neuroscience at the
University of California, San Diego.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
sci.cryonics
and the following mailing list:
CryoNet (discussion of cryonics)
subscribe via <majordomo@cryonet.org>
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Proponent: Joe Strout <jstrout@ucsd.edu>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net>
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Thu May 8 07:23:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.cryonics
Subject: CFV: moderate sci.cryonics
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <863077501.7020@isc.org>
References: <858790836.21318@isc.org>
Supersedes: <858790836.21318@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 30 May 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.cryonics
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 07:45:01 GMT
Lines: 140
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:402
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group sci.cryonics (moderates existing group)
Newsgroups line:
sci.cryonics Cryonics and related topics. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Joe Strout <jstrout@ucsd.edu>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: sci.cryonics
The existing unmoderated group sci.cryonics has been suffering from a
decreasing signal/noise ratio. In addition to the usual cross-posted
spam, there have been numerous personal attacks of a highly offensive
nature posted from anonymous remailers, as well as forged messages
apparently from legitimate members of the group. This traffic is
damaging to the members of the group, as well as to the cryonics
community as a whole. Changing the newsgroup from unmoderated to
moderated should greatly reduce the volume of such messages, and so
enhance the value of the group.
CHARTER: sci.cryonics
Cryonic suspension is an experimental procedure whereby patients who
can no longer be kept alive with today's medical abilities are
preserved at low temperature for treatment in the future. This
newsgroup will be the place to keep up-to-date on topics related to
cryonics, which include biochemistry of memory, low temperature
biology, new cryonics-related research and publications, legal status
of cryonics and cryonically suspended people, nanotechnology and cell
repair machines, mass media coverage of cryonics, conferences, and
local cryonics group meetings.
Unacceptable messages include personal attacks, messages posted
without a valid sender address, and any message not pertaining to the
topics above.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.cryonics
Moderator: "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@clark.net>
Administrative contact address: kfl@clark.net
Article submission address: kfl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
END MODERATOR INFO.
GATEWAYS: sci.cryonics
Gateway mailing list name: CryoNet
Submission address: cryonet@cryonet.org
Request address: owner-cryonet@cryonet.org
DISTRIBUTION:
Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:
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sci.nanotech
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forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
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the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will
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The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
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======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
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| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: sci.cryonics reorg
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| information) after the colon on the following line:
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| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
Your Vote Newsgroup
--------- -----------------------------------------------------------
[ ] sci.cryonics
======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0omega (May 6 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970324
--
Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Tue May 20 18:15:07 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.cryonics
Subject: 2nd CFV: moderate sci.cryonics
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <864176469.26269@isc.org>
References: <863077501.7020@isc.org> <858790836.21318@isc.org>
Supersedes: <863077501.7020@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 30 May 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.cryonics
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:01:09 GMT
Lines: 140
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:433
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group sci.cryonics (moderates existing group)
Newsgroups line:
sci.cryonics Cryonics and related topics. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Joe Strout <jstrout@ucsd.edu>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: sci.cryonics
The existing unmoderated group sci.cryonics has been suffering from a
decreasing signal/noise ratio. In addition to the usual cross-posted
spam, there have been numerous personal attacks of a highly offensive
nature posted from anonymous remailers, as well as forged messages
apparently from legitimate members of the group. This traffic is
damaging to the members of the group, as well as to the cryonics
community as a whole. Changing the newsgroup from unmoderated to
moderated should greatly reduce the volume of such messages, and so
enhance the value of the group.
CHARTER: sci.cryonics
Cryonic suspension is an experimental procedure whereby patients who
can no longer be kept alive with today's medical abilities are
preserved at low temperature for treatment in the future. This
newsgroup will be the place to keep up-to-date on topics related to
cryonics, which include biochemistry of memory, low temperature
biology, new cryonics-related research and publications, legal status
of cryonics and cryonically suspended people, nanotechnology and cell
repair machines, mass media coverage of cryonics, conferences, and
local cryonics group meetings.
Unacceptable messages include personal attacks, messages posted
without a valid sender address, and any message not pertaining to the
topics above.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.cryonics
Moderator: "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@clark.net>
Administrative contact address: kfl@clark.net
Article submission address: kfl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
END MODERATOR INFO.
GATEWAYS: sci.cryonics
Gateway mailing list name: CryoNet
Submission address: cryonet@cryonet.org
Request address: owner-cryonet@cryonet.org
DISTRIBUTION:
Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:
sci.life-extension
sci.nanotech
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes
must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous,
forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI
forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
HOW TO VOTE:
Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts. Please do not send the entire CFV back to me.
Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provde a valid name and
indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot.
When finished, MAIL the ballot to: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here):
[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ CANCEL ] example.cancellation
DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.
If these instructions are unclear, please ask the votetaker.
======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| LAST CALL FOR VOTES: sci.cryonics reorg
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <SC-0002> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide a valid name, or your vote may be rejected. Place
| ONLY your name (i.e., do not include your e-mail address or any other
| information) after the colon on the line below:
Voter name:
| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
Your Vote Newsgroup
--------- -----------------------------------------------------------
[ ] sci.cryonics
======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0omega (May 6 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970324
--
Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Jun 2 13:30:10 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.cryonics
Subject: RESULT: moderate sci.cryonics fails 70:31
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <865282651.23445@isc.org>
References: <864176469.26269@isc.org> <863077501.7020@isc.org> <858790836.21318@isc.org>
Supersedes: <864176469.26269@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: sci.cryonics
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 20:17:32 GMT
Lines: 199
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:478
RESULT
moderated group sci.cryonics (moderates existing group) fails 70:31
There were 70 YES votes and 31 NO votes, for a total of 101 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 3 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
sci.cryonics Cryonics and related topics. (Moderated)
The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Joe Strout <jstrout@ucsd.edu>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <grobe@netins.net>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: sci.cryonics
The existing unmoderated group sci.cryonics has been suffering from a
decreasing signal/noise ratio. In addition to the usual cross-posted
spam, there have been numerous personal attacks of a highly offensive
nature posted from anonymous remailers, as well as forged messages
apparently from legitimate members of the group. This traffic is
damaging to the members of the group, as well as to the cryonics
community as a whole. Changing the newsgroup from unmoderated to
moderated should greatly reduce the volume of such messages, and so
enhance the value of the group.
CHARTER: sci.cryonics
Cryonic suspension is an experimental procedure whereby patients who
can no longer be kept alive with today's medical abilities are
preserved at low temperature for treatment in the future. This
newsgroup will be the place to keep up-to-date on topics related to
cryonics, which include biochemistry of memory, low temperature
biology, new cryonics-related research and publications, legal status
of cryonics and cryonically suspended people, nanotechnology and cell
repair machines, mass media coverage of cryonics, conferences, and
local cryonics group meetings.
Unacceptable messages include personal attacks, messages posted
without a valid sender address, and any message not pertaining to the
topics above.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.cryonics
Moderator: "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@clark.net>
Administrative contact address: kfl@clark.net
Article submission address: kfl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
END MODERATOR INFO.
GATEWAYS: sci.cryonics
Gateway mailing list name: CryoNet
Submission address: cryonet@cryonet.org
Request address: owner-cryonet@cryonet.org
DISTRIBUTION:
Pointers directing readers to this CFV were posted in these groups:
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sci.cryonics Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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70023.3041@compuserve.com Paul Wakfer
ajbrouw@rulhm1.LeidenUniv.nl Albert-Jan Brouwer
amidde@arrakis.es D=E1maso D. Est=E9vez
andre@bwh.harvard.edu Andre Robatino
arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva
avatar@arkane.demon.co.uk Alistair J. R. Young
baird@gate.net Baird Stafford
bill.burns@daltile.com Bill Burns
brianh@fast.net Brian Hillegass
butlerpa@acc.wuacc.edu Ken Butler
cbstone@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Chris Stone
cipher@mindspring.com David A. Howard
ckk@ckk.com Chris Koenigsberg
cp@panix.com Charles Platt
crasch@earthlink.net Christopher M. Rasch
cryofan@brokersys.com Randall C. Smith
D.Jacobs@unsw.EDU.AU Daniel Jacobs
deadlock@one.net DeadLock the Feral
desj@ccr-p.ida.org David desJardins
dharris@best.com David C. Harris
DruidKitty@aol.com Mike Dugger
dsrekbtp@prism.gatech.edu Brennan T. Price
eli@gs160.sp.cs.cmu.edu Eli Brandt
Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de Eugene Leitl
euthke@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke
gpaddock@halcyon.com Gregory R. Paddock
harv@gate.net Harvey Newstrom
hh299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Jim Baranovich
hk05@dial.pipex.com Iain Whitehead
jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor
jdfalk@unagi.cybernothing.org J.D. Falk
jdg@but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark
jstrout@ucsd.edu Joseph J. Strout
kbstorey@ccs.carleton.ca Kenneth B Storey
kimdv@netcom.com Kim DeVaughn
kws@inetarena.com Karel William Sebek
lonewolf@finlink.net Jukka A. Lung
marko@lochard.com.au Mark O'Leary
mhatz@raven.phs.com Mike Hatz
naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman likes short ballots
nospam@fwb.gulf.net Jules Dubois
nox@arches.uga.edu William Miller
nv91-asa@nada.kth.se Anders Sandberg
patrickw@cs.monash.edu.au Patrick Wilken
paxil@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
pcm@rahul.net Peter McCluskey
perry@piermont.com Perry E. Metzger
peter@taronga.com Peter da Silva
RAMole@aol.com Robert Alan Mole
richsong@vcn.bc.ca Richard Songhurst
rosmanha@pinkinc.com H. Albert Rosman
rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus
spcoltri@io.com Steve Coltrin
srdjan@metaxa.wimsey.com Srdjan B. Stakic
ssickle@omnifest.uwm.edu Stephen Van Sickle
tack@draziw.com Ryan
tmatth@netcom.ca Tom Matthews
tonyb@null.net Tony Basoglu
tshenkel@billings.lib.mt.us Tshen
tskirvin@uiuc.edu Tim Skirvin
willdye@dsndata.com Will Dye
wmcclain@salamander.com William McClain
wowk@cc.UManitoba.CA Brian Wowk
wware@world.std.com Will Ware
wyllieck@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA Craig Wyllie
zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming
zot@ampersand.com Mark Atwood
zzmilozz@juno.com L. MARIE MILLER
Voted No
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akoskine@cc.helsinki.fi Aaro Koskinen
booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
c@panix.com David W. Crawford
cooljazz@netcom.com Bruce White
cx453@freenet.carleton.ca John W. Andrews
devuns@alsys.com Olivier Devuns
dhanson@hal-pc.org David L. Hanson
geoffk@discus.anu.edu.au Geoff Keating
gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan
hfung@lerami.lerctr.org Henry Fung
hkt@wwa.com Henrietta Thomas
ichudov@algebra.com Igor Chudov
janus@mail.cwo.com Keith Adams
jer+@andrew.cmu.edu Jeremiah Blatz
jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Joshua Kramer
jskuller@physics.adelaide.edu.au jon ivar skullerud
lmccarth@cs.umass.edu Lewis McCarthy
marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez
msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri
olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
rrb@ior.com Bob blanchard
seward@netcom.ca John Savard
skaranyi@xivic.ruhr.de Wolfgang Schelongowski
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
stamper@stamper.com Chris Stamper
steiners@primenet.com Jason Steiner
stuart@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz Stuart Yeates
tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson
Abstained
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guymacon@deltanet.com Guy Macon
Votes in error
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eli+@gs160.sp.cs.cmu.edu
! No name given
furrball@nym.alias.net furrball
! Invalid address
T.Bowden@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
! No name given
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