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From youngqud@ucs.orst.edu Sat Jan 22 17:53:26 1994
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From: Dean Youngquist <youngqud@ucs.orst.edu>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics
Subject: RFD: sci.electronics reorganization
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This is a request for discussion in accordance with USENET guidelines.
I am proposing that we add the following unmoderated newsgroups.
We will be voting on group creation group by group, its not a package deal.
The purpose of this discussion is to select a name and charter for each
desired new group.
1. sci.electronics.home
for VCR repair, speakers, how to charge batteries,
sterios, am/fm radio, TVs camcorders, etc.
2. sci.electronic.design
For microcontrollers, microprocessors, digital and analog
circuit design. Hopefully this will encourage more
exchanges between persons involved in electronic design.
3. sci.electronics.forsale
Buying and selling of electronic gear and components,
surplus ICs, test equipment. These items seem to get
lost in misc.forsale.
Then we rename sci.electronics to sci.electronics.misc
as a forum for general questions such as:
How to influence the stop lights in your city.
How to make an electric car.
How does my xxx??? work ?
Discussion is limited to 30 days. If no general agreement is reached in
30 days the discusion will be taken off line, to email. After a general
agreement is reached on the name and charter for each group we will have
a formal vote on each proposed group. The voting period will be at least
21 days and not more than 31 days. To create a group we need to have 100
more YES votes than No votes, AND we need a 2/3 majority. If you want
any other groups like a sci.electronics.acad or something, now would be
a good time to discuss it.
--
Dean Youngquist | youngqud@ucs.orst.edu |
From mzenier@netcom.com Mon Jul 31 13:38:58 1995
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From: mzenier@netcom.com (Mark Zenier)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair
Subject: RFD: sci.electronics reorganization
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group sci.electronics.help
unmoderated group sci.electronics.history
unmoderated group sci.electronics.components
unmoderated group sci.electronics.circuits
unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment
unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics)
Summary: Split of sci.electronics
Proponent: Mark Zenier, mzenier@netcom.com, mzenier@eskimo.com
Rationale:
Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level
(circa 200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal
with. This proposal is a split based on a rough classification
of the current traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow
through with the results of a lengthy discussion in the group
that occured this spring and early summer.
Philosophy:
This is strictly a split based on the current topics discussed
in the group. Rather than build a list of topics that "it would
be nice to have", a proposed group had to have some (subjective)
level of traffic in the group on its topics already.
In the previous discussion on the split that occured in the group,
several proposals for groups were raised that had merit, but didn't
have a large amount of traffic. Specifically, on the subject of
manufacturing engineering and, electromagnetic compatibility and
compliance to regulations. I chose not to propose these groups at
this time. I feel that groups these groups are of professional
interest and would be better placed in a currently nonexistent
sci.engr.electrical hierarchy.
Current groups not included in this proposal:
sci.electronics.repair
sci.electronics.cad
Proposed Groups:
Sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics.
(To replace the current sci.electronics)
Rationale:
Per the normal convention, this is renameing of the existing
sci.electronics group.
Charter:
General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the
relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better
held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
Sci.electronics.help elementary questions about electronics
Rationale:
A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative
to the school term) of the traffic is beginners questions.
A number of novice users have complained that the volume of
traffic, and the perceived unfriendliness of the group acts
as an inhibition to free discussions.
Charter:
A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as
a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics
education. Requests for other sources of information.
Sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ...
Rationale:
A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical
figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and
various trivia.
Charter:
Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The
accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so
on). The discussion of obselete electronic and electric technology.
The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia.
Sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors
Sci.electronics.circuits electronic circuit design
Sci.electronics.equipment test, laboratory, and industrial electronic products
Rationale:
These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic
into seperatable subfields. The usual proposals for splitting
the group usually start with proposing splits along either
applications (audio, automotive, computer ...) or along
what would best be called design specialization (analog,
digital, ...). The problem with the first is that the
underlying methods and techniques are the same across the
field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred
(and the most interesting part of the field).
The split proposed here is to use a level of complexity. In most
cases, the poster is looking for an answer to their questions on
only one level.
The proposed components group is for questions dealing with
individual parts. Someone working on this level is looking
for a specific function or source or indentification for an
electronic component. Postings requesting the indentification
of an integrated circuit are a large portion of the current
traffic.
The circuit group is for persons combining components into
circuits. Discussion on design solutions and techniques.
The equipment group is for persons looking for already
available solutions to their problems.
Sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors
Charter:
Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use,
limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors,
integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on.
Locations and contact informations for Manufacturers, Distributors,
and other sources for supply and technical information.
Sci.electronics.circuits electronic circuit design
Charter:
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.
Sci.electronics.equipment test, laboratory, and industrial electronic products
Charter:
Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative
merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial
equipment. (Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer
electronics equipment are better held in the groups in the rec
hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace marketplace for electronics components, equipment, and services
Rationale:
A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies
selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and
services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies
needing production quantities of scare parts, people cleaning out
their basements, and commercial advertisements for services.
Charter:
Advertisment and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering
of electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors,
etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment,
electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production
of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME
COMPUTERS.
Distribution:
This Request For Discussion is to be posted in sci.electronics,
sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair, and news.groups.
Voting Procedure:
This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a
discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the
proposal. This discussion will last about a month, and not less
than 21 days. If a consensus can be reached in the discussion,
whoever the proponent is at that time will send the revised
proposal to the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers who will then post
the official ballot giving the procedure for voting. This vote
will then last about a month, details to be in the offical
Call For Vote ballot posting.
Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com mzenier@netcom.com
From mzenier@netcom.com Fri Aug 25 17:01:13 1995
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From: mzenier@netcom.com (Mark Zenier)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.engr.semiconductors
Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.electronics reorganization
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
unmoderated group sci.electronics.components
unmoderated group sci.electronics.design
unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment
unmoderated group sci.electronics.help
unmoderated group sci.electronics.history
unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics)
Summary: Split of sci.electronics
Proponent: Mark Zenier, mzenier@netcom.com, mzenier@eskimo.com
This is a second Request for Discussion for the sci.electronics
reorganization. As a result of the discussions and email, a group
name was changed, and per the UVV requirements, votes are allowed only
groups whose exact name appeared in an official RFD. In addition,
other related groups were added to the crossposting list in inform the
users of those groups of this discussion.
Changes since the last RFD:
The name sci.electronics.circuits was changed to sci.electronics
design as commenters felt that it was ambiguous with
sci.electronics.components and sci.engr.semicondutors, comp.lsi,
alt.electronics.analog.vlsi.
RATIONALE: all groups
Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa
200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This
proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current
traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the
results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occured this spring
and early summer.
This is strictly a split based on the current topics discussed in the
group. Rather than build a list of topics that "it would be nice to
have", a proposed group had to have some (subjective) level of traffic
in the group on its topics already.
In the previous discussion on the split that occured in the
sci.electronics group, several proposals for groups were raised that
had merit, but didn't have a large amount of traffic. Specifically,
on the subject of manufacturing engineering and, electromagnetic
compatibility and compliance to regulations. I chose not to propose
these groups at this time. I feel that groups these groups are of
professional interest and would be better placed in a currently
nonexistent sci.engr.electrical hierarchy.
Current groups not included in this proposal:
sci.electronics.repair
sci.electronics.cad
NEWSGROUP LINES:
sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics.
sci.electronics.help Elementary questions about electronics.
sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ...
sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors.
sci.electronics.design electronic circuit design
sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products.
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc
(To rename the current sci.electronics)
Per the normal convention, this is renameing of the existing
sci.electronics group.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc
General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the
relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better
held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.help
A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the
school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of
novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the
perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free
discussions.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.help
A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as
a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics
education. Requests for other sources of information.
END CHARTER.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history
A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical
figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various
trivia.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.history
Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The
accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The
discussion of obselete electronic and electric technology. The
perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design,
sci.electronics.equipment
These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into
seperatable subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group
usually start with proposing splits along either applications (audio,
automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design
specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is
that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the
field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most
interesting part of the field).
The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this
field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these
levels. Somone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is
working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a
module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher
level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they
need to purchase.
The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual
parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific
function or source or indentification for an electronic component.
Postings requesting the indentification of an integrated circuit are a
large portion of the current traffic.
The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.
The equipment group is for persons looking for already
available solutions to their problems.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.components
Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use,
limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors,
integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on.
Locations and contact informations for Manufacturers, Distributors,
and other sources for supply and technical information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment
Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative
merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial
equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed
to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group.
(Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics
equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted
to those topics.)
RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies
selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and
services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies
needing production quantities of scare parts, people cleaning out
their basements, and commercial advertisements for services.
CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
Advertisment and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of
electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors,
etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment,
electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production
of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME
COMPUTERS.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a
discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the proposal.
This discussion will last about a month, and not less than 21 days.
If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, whoever the proponent
is at that time will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer
Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure
for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in
the offical Call For Vote ballot posting.
DISTRIBUTION:
This Request For Discussion is to be posted in sci.electronics,
sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair,
alt.engineering.electrical, sci.engr.semicondutors,
alt.electronics.analog.vlsi
--
Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com mzenier@netcom.com
From mzenier@netcom.com Mon Sep 11 18:50:49 1995
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From: mzenier@netcom.com (Mark Zenier)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.engr.semiconductors
Subject: 3rd RFD: sci.electronics reorganization
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
unmoderated group sci.electronics.components
unmoderated group sci.electronics.design
unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment
unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics
unmoderated group sci.electronics.history
unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics)
Summary: Split of sci.electronics
Proponent: Mark Zenier, mzenier@netcom.com, mzenier@eskimo.com
This is a third Request for Discussion for the sci.electronics reorganization. As a result of the discussions and email, another group
name was changed, and per the UVV requirements, votes are allowed only groups
whose exact name appeared in an official RFD.
Changes since the last RFD:
The name sci.electronics.help was changed to sci.electronics.basics
(suggested by Andew Mahon) as several comments in the discussion
felt that sci.electronics.help was too general and did not match the
charter for that group.
Changes since the first RFD:
The name sci.electronics.circuits was changed to sci.electronics
design as commenters felt that it was ambiguous with
sci.electronics.components and sci.engr.semicondutors, comp.lsi,
alt.electronics.analog.vlsi.
NEWSGROUP LINES:
sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics.
sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics.
sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ...
sci.electronics.components integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors.
sci.electronics.design electronic circuit design
sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products.
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services.
RATIONALE: all groups
Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa
200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This
proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current
traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the
results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occured this spring
and early summer.
This is strictly a split based on the current topics discussed in the
group. Rather than build a list of topics that "it would be nice to
have", a proposed group had to have some (subjective) level of traffic
in the group on its topics already.
Current groups not included in this proposal:
sci.electronics.repair
sci.electronics.cad
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc
(To rename the current sci.electronics)
Per the normal convention, this is renameing of the existing
sci.electronics group.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc
General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the
relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better
held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics
A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the
school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of
novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the
perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free
discussions.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics
A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as
a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics
education. Requests for other sources of information.
END CHARTER.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history
A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical
figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various
trivia.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.history
Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The
accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on). The
discussion of obselete electronic and electric technology. The
perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia.
END CHARTER.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design,
sci.electronics.equipment
These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into
seperatable subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group
usually start with proposing splits along either applications (audio,
automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design
specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is
that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the
field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most
interesting part of the field).
The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this
field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these
levels. Somone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is
working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a
module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher
level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they
need to purchase.
The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual
parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific
function or source or indentification for an electronic component.
Postings requesting the indentification of an integrated circuit are a
large portion of the current traffic.
The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.
The equipment group is for persons looking for already
available solutions to their problems.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.components
Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use,
limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors,
integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on.
Locations and contact informations for Manufacturers, Distributors,
and other sources for supply and technical information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment
Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative
merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial
equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed
to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group.
(Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics
equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted
to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies
selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and
services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies
needing production quantities of scare parts, people cleaning out
their basements, and commercial advertisements for services.
CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
Advertisment and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of
electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors,
etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment,
electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production
of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME
COMPUTERS.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is NOT a ballot for a vote. This posting is to initiate a
discussion, to occur in the news.groups newsgroup, about the proposal.
This discussion will last about a month, and not less than 21 days.
If a consensus can be reached in the discussion, whoever the proponent
is at that time will send the revised proposal to the Usenet Volunteer
Votetakers who will then post the official ballot giving the procedure
for voting. This vote will then last about a month, details to be in
the offical Call For Vote ballot posting.
DISTRIBUTION:
This Request For Discussion is to be posted in sci.electronics,
sci.electronics.cad, sci.electronics.repair,
alt.engineering.electrical, sci.engr.semicondutors,
alt.electronics.analog.vlsi
--
Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com mzenier@netcom.com
From bill@netagw.com Mon Oct 2 11:01:00 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,sci.engr.semiconductors
Subject: CFV: sci.electronics reorganization
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics
unmoderated group sci.electronics.components
unmoderated group sci.electronics.design
unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment
unmoderated group sci.electronics.history
unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics)
Newsgroups lines:
sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics.
sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics.
sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ...
sci.electronics.components Integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors.
sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design.
sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products.
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Oct 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Mark Zenier <mzenier@netcom.com> or <mzenier@eskimo.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>
RATIONALE: all groups
Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa
200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This
proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current
traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the
results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occurred this spring.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc
(To rename the current sci.electronics)
Per the normal convention, this is renaming of the existing
sci.electronics group.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics
A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the
school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of
novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the
perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free
discussions.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history
A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical
figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various
trivia.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design,
sci.electronics.equipment
These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into
separate subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group
typically start with proposing splits along either applications (audio,
automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design
specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is
that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the
field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most
interesting part of the field).
The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this
field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these
levels. Someone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is
working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a
module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher
level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they
need to purchase.
The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual
parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific
function or source or identification for an electronic component.
Postings requesting the identification of an integrated circuit are a
large portion of the current traffic.
The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.
The equipment group is for persons looking for already available
solutions to their problems.
RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies
selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and
services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies
needing production quantities of scarce parts, people cleaning out
their basements, and commercial advertisements for services.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc
General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the
relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better
held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics
A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as
a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics
education. Requests for other sources of information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.history
Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The
accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on).
The discussion of obsolete electronic and electric technology.
The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.components
Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use,
limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors,
integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on.
Locations and contact information for Manufacturers, Distributors,
and other sources for supply and technical information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment
Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative
merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial
equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed
to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group.
(Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics
equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted
to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
Advertisement and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of
electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors,
etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment,
electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production
of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME
COMPUTERS.
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Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,sci.engr.semiconductors
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.electronics reorganization
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics
unmoderated group sci.electronics.components
unmoderated group sci.electronics.design
unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment
unmoderated group sci.electronics.history
unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics)
Newsgroups lines:
sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics.
sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics.
sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ...
sci.electronics.components Integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors.
sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design.
sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products.
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Oct 1995.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Mark Zenier <mzenier@netcom.com> or <mzenier@eskimo.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>
RATIONALE: all groups
Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa
200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This
proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current
traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the
results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occurred this spring.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc
(To rename the current sci.electronics)
Per the normal convention, this is renaming of the existing
sci.electronics group.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics
A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the
school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of
novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the
perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free
discussions.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history
A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical
figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various
trivia.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design,
sci.electronics.equipment
These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into
separate subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group
typically start with proposing splits along either applications (audio,
automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design
specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is
that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the
field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most
interesting part of the field).
The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this
field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these
levels. Someone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is
working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a
module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher
level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they
need to purchase.
The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual
parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific
function or source or identification for an electronic component.
Postings requesting the identification of an integrated circuit are a
large portion of the current traffic.
The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.
The equipment group is for persons looking for already available
solutions to their problems.
RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies
selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and
services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies
needing production quantities of scarce parts, people cleaning out
their basements, and commercial advertisements for services.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc
General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the
relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better
held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics
A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as
a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics
education. Requests for other sources of information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.history
Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The
accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on).
The discussion of obsolete electronic and electric technology.
The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.components
Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use,
limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors,
integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on.
Locations and contact information for Manufacturers, Distributors,
and other sources for supply and technical information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment
Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative
merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial
equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed
to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group.
(Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics
equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted
to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
Advertisement and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of
electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors,
etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment,
electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production
of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME
COMPUTERS.
END CHARTER.
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[ ] sci.electronics.components
[ ] sci.electronics.design
[ ] sci.electronics.equipment
[ ] sci.electronics.history
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sci.electronics Reorg Bounce List
(No need to revote)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FORSTEMD@perkin-elmer.com Mike Forster
lbotha.eistec.aerotek@uunet.uu.net Louis Botha
From bill@netagw.com Mon Oct 23 21:21:40 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.engineering.electrical,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.repair,sci.engr.semiconductors
Subject: RESULT: sci.electronics reorganization
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RESULT
unmoderated group misc.industry.electronics.marketplace passes 146:38
unmoderated group sci.electronics.basics passes 164:37
unmoderated group sci.electronics.components passes 163:37
unmoderated group sci.electronics.design passes 169:35
unmoderated group sci.electronics.equipment passes 160:36
unmoderated group sci.electronics.history fails 144:46
unmoderated group sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) passes 169:38
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Oct 1995.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Mark Zenier <mzenier@netcom.com> or <mzenier@eskimo.com>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>
There were 213 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed
newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least
100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:
sci.electronics Reorg results - 213 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
146 38 : Yes Yes : Yes : misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
164 37 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.basics
163 37 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.components
169 35 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.design
160 36 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.equipment
144 46 : Yes No : No : sci.electronics.history
169 38 : Yes Yes : Yes : sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics)
2 invalid votes
Part of the proposal passed and part of the proposal failed.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly
thereafter. Failed newsgroups may not be voted on again for six months.
The remainder of the RESULT contains:
Newsgroups Lines
Rationale
Charters
Final Voting Acknowledgements
NEWSGROUPS LINES:
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace Electronics products & services.
sci.electronics.misc General discussions of the field of electronics.
sci.electronics.basics Elementary questions about electronics.
sci.electronics.history Tesla, Edison, Marconi ...
sci.electronics.components Integrated circuits, resistors, capacitors.
sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design.
sci.electronics.equipment Test, lab, & industrial electronic products.
RATIONALE: all groups
Traffic in the sci.electronics newsgroup has reached a level (circa
200 posts a day, peak) where it is difficult to deal with. This
proposal is a split based on a rough classification of the current
traffic. This proposal is an attempt to follow through with the
results of a lengthy discussion in the group that occurred this spring.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.misc
(To rename the current sci.electronics)
Per the normal convention, this is renaming of the existing
sci.electronics group.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.basics
A reasonable portion (depending on the time of year relative to the
school term) of the traffic is beginners questions. A number of
novice users have complained that the volume of traffic, and the
perceived unfriendliness of the group acts as an inhibition to free
discussions.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.history
A reasonable portion of the traffic is discussion on historical
figures in the electronics field, technical milestones, and various
trivia.
RATIONALE: sci.electronics.components, sci.electronics.design,
sci.electronics.equipment
These three groups are an attempt to categorize the traffic into
separate subfields. The usual proposals for splitting the group
typically start with proposing splits along either applications (audio,
automotive, computer ...) or along what would best be called design
specialization (analog, digital, ...). The problem with the first is
that the underlying methods and techniques are the same across the
field, and for the second, the dividing line is blurred (and the most
interesting part of the field).
The split proposed here is set up on levels of complexity. In this
field of technology, people look for solutions to problems along these
levels. Someone who is looking for a box that solves their problems is
working at a higher level of detail than someone who is designing a
module (circuit board) and that second person is working at a higher
level than someone looking for a prebuilt integrated circuit that they
need to purchase.
The proposed components group is for questions dealing with individual
parts. Someone working on this level is looking for a specific
function or source or identification for an electronic component.
Postings requesting the identification of an integrated circuit are a
large portion of the current traffic.
The design group is for persons combining components into circuits.
Discussion on design solutions and techniques.
The equipment group is for persons looking for already available
solutions to their problems.
RATIONALE: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
A reasonable portion of the existing traffic is persons and companies
selling or wanting to buy electronics components, equipment and
services. The postings can be categorized as persons at companies
needing production quantities of scarce parts, people cleaning out
their basements, and commercial advertisements for services.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.misc
General discussions on the topic of electronics. (Discussions on the
relative merits of various consumer electronics equipment are better
held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.basics
A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such thing as
a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of electronics
education. Requests for other sources of information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.history
Discussion of the history of the field of electronics. The
accomplishments of historical figures (Tesla, Edison and so on).
The discussion of obsolete electronic and electric technology.
The perpetual discussion of what BNC stands for and other trivia.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.components
Discussions of electronics at the component level. The use,
limitations, and identification of resistors, capacitors,
integrated circuits, connectors, enclosures, ... and so on.
Locations and contact information for Manufacturers, Distributors,
and other sources for supply and technical information.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.design
Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: sci.electronics.equipment
Discussion of the application and internal operation and relative
merits of test equipment, laboratory equipment, and industrial
equipment. This is not a forsale group. Buying/selling is supposed
to occur in the relocated misc.industry.electronics.forsale group.
(Discussions on the relative merits of various consumer electronics
equipment are better held in the groups in the rec hierarchy devoted
to those topics.)
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: misc.industry.electronics.marketplace
Advertisement and discussion for the buying, selling, and bartering of
electronic components (integrated circuits, resistor, capacitors,
etc.), electronics test equipment, electronics laboratory equipment,
electronics industrial equipment, and services used for the production
of electronics. NO CONSUMER ELECTRONICS - NO AUDIO, VIDEO, or HOME
COMPUTERS.
END CHARTER.
FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:
sci.electronics Reorg Final Vote Ack
sci.electronics.misc (renames sci.electronics) ---------+
sci.electronics.history --------+|
sci.electronics.equipment -------+||
sci.electronics.design ------+|||
sci.electronics.components -----+||||
sci.electronics.basics ----+|||||
misc.industry.electronics.marketplace ---+||||||
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dow1@ra.msstate.edu David O. Wipf YYYYYYY
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fred.foss@the-spa.com Fred Foss YYYYYYY
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gfry@primenet.com George S. Fry YYYYYYY
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ingraham@renoir.eng.pko.dec.com Andrew Ingraham YYYY-Y-
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ismael@nash.pubnix.net Ismael Cordeiro YYYYYYY
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JDMARQUART@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Joshua Marquart YYYYYYY
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jet@abulafia.genmagic.com J. Eric Townsend YYYYYYY
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jha@redshift.com John Hammond Y-NYYNY
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jon.shaw@sdoct.com Jon Shaw YYYYYYY
jonboy@io.org Trevor Tymchuk YYYYYYY
jonny@big-sky.com Jonny Kent YYYYYYY
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list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder YYYYYYY
luriep@tiac.net pete lurie YYYYYYY
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MC4948@mclink.it Adriano De Minicis YYYYYYY
microtima@cix.compulink.co.uk Tony Dixon NY-Y--Y
mikedocy@netcom.com Michael J. Docy YYYYYYY
mikey@cass.demon.co.uk Michael Laidlaw YNYYYNY
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mmt@RedBrick.COM M Mike Taksar -Y----Y
moby@kcbbs.gen.nz Mike Diack Y--Y---
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morrica@cat.com Chuck Morrill YYYYYYY
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pimentel@roots.ultranet.com John Pimentel YYYYYYY
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rvde@oce.nl Rene' van der Meer NYYYYYY
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tc@mcs.com Thomas Cuny NYYYYYY
tccn@tccn.com Coralie J. Allen YYYYYYY
terry.harris@vadersys.demon.co.uk Terry Harris YYYYYYY
TexTax@aol.com Henry E Sievers YYYYYYY
tfv@oasis.ot.com Theodore F. Vaida YYYYYYY
Thomas.L.Westerfield@att.com T. L. Westerfield YYYYYYY
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tmathis@ix.netcom.com Tim Mathis YYYYYYY
ttlbob@eden.com Robert W. McCord YYYYYYY
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uunet!zonta!mikelh Michael Hasselberg YYYYYYY
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wfinch@cyber1.servtech.com Bill Finch YYYYYYY
whit@hipress.phys.washington.edu John Whitmore YY-NNYY
widding@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Erik Widding YYYYYYY
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wmeyer@scientia.up.ac.za W.E. Meyer YYYYYYY
xanthian@qualcomm.com Kent Paul Dolan YYYYYYY
zubla@forte.shc.uiowa.edu Greg Chapman YYYYYYY
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