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From gherbert@retro.com Mon Oct 29 11:30:04 2001
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear
Subject: RFD: sci.military.nuclear moderated
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group sci.military.nuclear
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.military.nuclear. This is not a
Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details
are below.
Newsgroup line:
sci.military.nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
sci.military.nuclear is only the working name for the group.
The group has discussed alternatives such as:
sci.military.nuclear
sci.military.wmd (Weapons of Mass Destruction)
sci.military.nbcr (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, Radiological)
sci.military.strategic
sci.military.hew (High Energy Weapons)
sci.military.weaponsofmassdestruction
All of these have one flaw or another. ".nuclear" doesn't really cover
the other weapons of mass destruction. ".wmd" and ".nbcr" are acronyms
not obvious to those not already interested in the field, thus somewhat
obscure by normal Usenet naming standards. ".strategic" suffers from
being misinterpretable as all sorts of other non-WMD topics. ".hew" is
more specific than "wmd" and "nbcr" and possibly less commonly known. The
group name "weaponsofmassdestruction" is ... too long.
We hope that the discussion will assist in determining the best group name
option.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy and related
topics for weapons of mass destruction and defenses against them,
specifically nuclear, biological, chemical, and radiological weapons,
delivery systems including but not limited to missiles, aircraft, and
unconventional delivery methods. New and/or novel technologies will also
be on topic as appropriate.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic.
Off topic and abusive postings other than spam will be redirected to the
unmoderated newsgroup alt.war.nuclear by the moderator rather than
rejected outright.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic postings
will be rejected and reported to proper authorities should they be
submitted. These will include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
George is currently the moderator of sci.space.tech, sci.space.science,
sci.military.moderated, and sci.aeronautics.simulation.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.war.nuclear
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
From gherbert@retro.com Tue Jan 15 00:25:22 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: gherbert@retro.com (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.naval,sci.military.moderated
Subject: 4th RFD: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
CHANGES from previous RFD:
Charter section on rejection of detailed design and weaponization
information in postings being subject to rejection has been revised
extensively to:
1. Make moderator reporting illegal postings suggested rather than required.
2. Generalize reference to applicable US Code to:
"applicable laws in posters' and moderators' countries.",
listing applicable US Code as one example.
Newsgroup line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy and related
topics related to weapons of mass destruction. This shall include weapons
of mass destruction themselves, delivery systems for weapons of mass
destruction, defenses against weapons of mass destruction and their
associated delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons of
mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear, biological,
chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include new and/or novel
technologies. Delivery systems include but are not limited to missiles,
aircraft, artillery and unconventional delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic postings
will be rejected and may be reported to proper authorities should they be
submitted, should they be judged by the moderator to be a violation of
applicable laws. These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by the
moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States,
this includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable' source, eg
organisation website, book, govt (including non US) source etc, rather
than a transient one eg newsgroup posting, individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering committee of 6 people,
3 nominated by the first moderator and 3 nominated by open straw poll in
the group. The steering committee will have the responsibility to approve
any additional moderators added should we adopt a team moderation approach
or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote. Should the primary moderator "drop
out" for some reason the steering committee will be authorized to find,
approve by 2/3 vote, and request transfer of moderation authority to them,
and may each approve posts to the group during the interrignum between the
primary moderator going away and finding a replacment moderator.
"dropping out" will consist either of the moderator notifying the group
he/she cannot moderate any more but have not identified a replacement, or
their being out of contact and not approving any posts for a period of two
weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
George is currently the moderator of sci.space.tech, sci.space.science,
sci.military.moderated, and sci.aeronautics.simulation.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.war.nuclear
sci.military.moderated
sci.military.naval
It will be reposted by the proponent to:
rec.aviation.military
rec.aviation.military.naval
us.military.army
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
From dave@technopagan.org Tue Jan 15 11:45:02 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David E. Smith <dave@technopagan.org>
Reply-To: vote@technopagan.org
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.naval
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <1011123234.65921@isc.org>
Supersedes: <1010453075.16082@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 30 Jan 2002 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:33:54 UTC
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Newsgroups line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jan 2002.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Votetaker: David E. Smith <dave@technopagan.org>
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy and related
topics related to weapons of mass destruction. This shall include weapons
of mass destruction themselves, delivery systems for weapons of mass
destruction, defenses against weapons of mass destruction and their
associated delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons of
mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear, biological,
chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include new and/or novel
technologies. Delivery systems include but are not limited to missiles,
aircraft, artillery and unconventional delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic postings
will be rejected and may be reported to proper authorities should they be
submitted, should they be judged by the moderator to be a violation of
applicable laws. These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by
the moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States, this
includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable' source, eg
organisation website, book, govt (including non US) source etc, rather
than a transient one eg newsgroup posting, individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering committee of 6 people,
3 nominated by the first moderator and 3 nominated by open straw poll in
the group. The steering committee will have the responsibility to approve
any additional moderators added should we adopt a team moderation approach
or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote. Should the primary moderator "drop out"
for some reason the steering committee will be authorized to find, approve
by 2/3 vote, and request transfer of moderation authority to them, and may
each approve posts to the group during the interrignum between the primary
moderator going away and finding a replacment moderator. "dropping out"
will consist either of the moderator notifying the group he/she cannot
moderate any more but have not identified a replacement, or their being
out of contact and not approving any posts for a period of two weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Administrative contact address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem-request@retro.com
Article submission address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem@retro.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
HOW TO VOTE:
Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer.
You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:
vote@technopagan.org
Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work.
Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message
should contain one and only one of the following vote statements:
I vote YES on sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
I vote NO on sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Voter name:
If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL
does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and
add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is
NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter
name"!
You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which
removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count
in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account
per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean
that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about
the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most
recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in
the final voting results post.
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in
doubt, ask the votetaker.
This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.war.nuclear
sci.military.moderated
sci.military.naval
Pointers to this CFV will be posted to the following newsgroups:
rec.aviation.military
rec.aviation.military.naval
us.military.army
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb 26 2001).
PQ datestamp: 980322
From dave@technopagan.org Wed Jan 30 15:30:02 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David E. Smith <dave@technopagan.org>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.moderated,sci.military.naval
Subject: RESULT: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem fails 73:25
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <1012432821.79903@isc.org>
Supersedes: <1010453075.16082@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:20:21 UTC
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RESULT
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem fails 73:25
There were 73 YES votes and 25 NO votes, for a total of 98 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jan 2002.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Votetaker: David E. Smith <dave@technopagan.org>
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy and related
topics related to weapons of mass destruction. This shall include weapons
of mass destruction themselves, delivery systems for weapons of mass
destruction, defenses against weapons of mass destruction and their
associated delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons of
mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear, biological,
chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include new and/or novel
technologies. Delivery systems include but are not limited to missiles,
aircraft, artillery and unconventional delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic postings
will be rejected and may be reported to proper authorities should they be
submitted, should they be judged by the moderator to be a violation of
applicable laws. These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by
the moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States, this
includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable' source, eg
organisation website, book, govt (including non US) source etc, rather
than a transient one eg newsgroup posting, individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering committee of 6 people,
3 nominated by the first moderator and 3 nominated by open straw poll in
the group. The steering committee will have the responsibility to approve
any additional moderators added should we adopt a team moderation approach
or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote. Should the primary moderator "drop out"
for some reason the steering committee will be authorized to find, approve
by 2/3 vote, and request transfer of moderation authority to them, and may
each approve posts to the group during the interrignum between the primary
moderator going away and finding a replacment moderator. "dropping out"
will consist either of the moderator notifying the group he/she cannot
moderate any more but have not identified a replacement, or their being
out of contact and not approving any posts for a period of two weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Administrative contact address:
sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem-request@retro.com
Article submission address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem@retro.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
The CFV was posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.war.nuclear
sci.military.moderated
sci.military.naval
Pointers to this CFV were posted to the following newsgroups:
rec.aviation.military
rec.aviation.military.naval
us.military.army
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Final Voter list
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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aa781~freenet.carleton.ca Thomas Leroux
abetz~telus.net Alan R. Betz
adrian~sentry-com.co.il Adrian Edmonds
amcmicha~Princeton.EDU Andrew McMichael
aweltman~state.pa.us Weltman, Andre
bpalmer~leland.stanford.edu Brian Palmer
btrosko~panix.com Brian Trosko
byronw1~earthlink.net Byron Wolffing
careyps~corp.earthlink.net Carey Sublette
chenshaw~sympatico.ca Coridon Henshaw
conor~oneill2.force9.co.uk Conor O'Neill
devnull~vianet.ca Trevor
dfrost~maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
dingbat~codesmiths.com Andy Dingley
dirk~neopax.com Dirk Bruere
djbane~blackhole.ir.intel.com Darren Bane
earthscibbs~rogers.com David Ramalho
elainet~vianet.ca Elaine
ellis~spinics.net Rick Ellis
Erich.Kargl~knapp-systems.com Erich Kargl
fairwater~hurricane.net Interim Books
gc31014~bellsouth.net Gregory Hunter
gherbert~retro.com George William Herbert
hg~n2wx.ampr.org Howard Goldstein
howard~shubs.net Howard S Shubs
itsd1~teleport.com Tom Billings
jeffrey~carlyle.org Jeffrey Coleman Carlyle
jgd~cix.co.uk John Dallman
jkaatz~nyc.rr.com JASON A. KAATZ
jmprice~calweb.com John M Price PhD
jpc~drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark
jrozes~vinton.com Jonathan Rozes
mawdl~csv.warwick.ac.uk J A Thomson
MChiono~aol.com Marco S. Chiono
Mike.Pillukat~gmx.de Mike Pillukat
mjc~number8.dnet.co.uk Michael Comiskey
mmrosa~bigpond.com MM Rosa
mongrel_mind~yahoo.com Mongrel Mind
Murray.Hamilton~dres.dnd.ca Dr. Murray Hamilton
n6jpa~yahoo.com Keith
ndallen~interlog.com Nigel Allen
news~jrwlynch.demon.co.uk Paul J. Adam
packc000~students.uni-mainz.de Christian Packmann
pdkelly~canada.com P. Kelly
peteralf~fabel.dk Peter Alfredsen
plackej~home.com Jim Placke
psmyth~gmx.net Peter Smyth
REstey9690~aol.com
rick~bcm.tmc.edu Miller, Richard H
rmcleod~islandnet.com Robb McLeod
root~mauve.demon.co.uk Ian Stirling
rpp~panix.com Ron Peterson
rufinus~cs.widener.edu J Rufinus
sbfaulds~ihug.co.nz Stuart Faulds
schillin~spock.usc.edu John Schilling
sdpoe~acm.org Stephen D. Poe
Shardrukar~aol.com R. D. Grummer
shrao~nyx.net Shrisha Rao
simon~darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall
smlucas~flashmail.com Steven Lucas
source~netcom.com David Harmon
stefan.mueller~uni-essen.de =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dr=2E_Stefan_P=2E_M=FCller=22
stellare~erols.com rk
sth~andrew.cmu.edu Steve Hayashi
tecknode~cts.com Tecknomage
tjerick~telusplanet.net Tim Erickson
van.ette~inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette
victorlx~pt.lu Victor Gambucci
vpdura~hiwaay.net Vic Dura
waltm~hiwaay.net walt moffett
williamgmoore~earthlink.net William G. Moore
woodclan~sprintmail.com Johnie Wood
XAlienplayers~hotmail.com Alienplayer
Voted No
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bmailman~sfo.com Brian Mailman
chris~moonrabbit.net Chris
chriseb~ukshells.co.uk Chris Ebenezer
cjb~brushtail.apana.org.au Chris Baird
comeaud~hfx.eastlink.ca Daniel Comeau
dougbob~charter.net DDMO
douglasobr~netscape.net Doug O'Brien
Ekkehard~Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
gcz~falkoping.mail.telia.com Gunnar Creutz
gprrspw~mindspring.com G.P.Ryan
JEckart~mail.com John Eckart
Jo.Bo~gmx.de Juergen Bethke
joerg.bihlmayr~student.uni-ulm.de =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Bihlmayr
john0~zworg.com John .
julesd~erols.com Jules Dubois
lhp+news~toft-hp.dk Lasse Hillerøe Petersen
littletoad~playful.com little toad
minchiachina~mixmail.com A Minchia China
olaf_reibel~yahoo.de Olaf Reibel
russotto~speakeasy.org Matthew T. Russotto
stainles~bga.com Dwight Brown
thierry~thomas.as Thierry Thomas
thor~stop.mail-abuse.org Thor Kottelin
tjmc~enteract.com tjmc
yan~storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille
Abstained
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graham.drabble~lineone.net Graham Drabble
kmorgan~aptalaska.net Kathy I. Morgan
Invalid Ballots
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ronald.larham~nospambaesystems.com Invalid Address
To restore the email addresses in the above vote ack, pipe the list
through this command: sed -e 's/~/@/g'
From gherbert@retro.com Mon Jul 29 15:15:01 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: gherbert@retro.com (George William Herbert)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.naval,sci.military.moderated
Subject: RFD: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
Newsgroup line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
This is a new RFD, but is a re-proposal of a group which failed its first
group creation vote in early 2002 due to insufficient "yes" votes. The
RFDs and vote results for that are available at:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Changes from the previous last RFD/CFV are essentially limited to removal
of the charter clause that postings rejected due to their sensitive or
illegal nature may be reported by the moderator to appropriate
governmental or law enforcement agencies.
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy and related
topics related to weapons of mass destruction. This shall include weapons
of mass destruction themselves, delivery systems for weapons of mass
destruction, defenses against weapons of mass destruction and their
associated delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons of
mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear, biological,
chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include new and/or novel
technologies. Delivery systems include but are not limited to missiles,
aircraft, artillery and unconventional delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic postings
will be rejected should they be submitted, if they are judged by the
moderator to be a violation of applicable laws.
These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by
the moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States,
this includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable' source, eg
organisation website, book, govt (including non US) source etc, rather
than a transient one eg newsgroup posting, individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering committee of 6 people,
3 nominated by the first moderator and 3 nominated by open straw poll in
the group. The steering committee will have the responsibility to approve
any additional moderators added should we adopt a team moderation approach
or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote. Should the primary moderator "drop
out" for some reason the steering committee will be authorized to find,
approve by 2/3 vote, and request transfer of moderation authority to them,
and may each approve posts to the group during the interrignum between the
primary moderator going away and finding a replacment moderator.
"dropping out" will consist either of the moderator notifying the group
he/she cannot moderate any more but have not identified a replacement, or
their being out of contact and not approving any posts for a period of two
weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
George is currently the moderator of sci.space.tech, sci.space.science,
sci.military.moderated, and sci.aeronautics.simulation.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be
raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of
21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to
news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted
by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to
Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents
(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD is posted to:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
alt.war.nuclear
sci.military.moderated
sci.military.naval
It will be reposted by the proponent to:
rec.aviation.military
rec.aviation.military.naval
us.military.army
sci.space.policy
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
From neilc@wallaby.cc Wed Aug 28 00:15:22 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@wallaby.cc>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.naval,sci.military.moderated
Subject: CFV: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <1030493163.68308@isc.org>
References: <1027980395.88012@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 19 Sep 2002 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:06:03 UTC
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11794 news.groups:409651 sci.military.naval:363796 sci.military.moderated:43869
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 2002.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@wallaby.cc>
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy
and related topics related to weapons of mass destruction.
This shall include weapons of mass destruction themselves,
delivery systems for weapons of mass destruction, defenses
against weapons of mass destruction and their associated
delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons
of mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear,
biological, chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include
new and/or novel technologies. Delivery systems include but are
not limited to missiles, aircraft, artillery and unconventional
delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic
postings will be rejected should they be submitted, if they are
judged by the moderator to be a violation of applicable laws.
These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by the
moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States,
this includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable'
source, eg organisation website, book, govt (including non US)
source etc, rather than a transient one eg newsgroup posting,
individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering
committee of 6 people, 3 nominated by the first moderator
and 3 nominated by open straw poll in the group.
The steering committee will have the responsibility to
approve any additional moderators added should we adopt
a team moderation approach or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote.
Should the primary moderator "drop out" for some reason the
steering committee will be authorized to find, approve by 2/3 vote,
and request transfer of moderation authority to them, and may
each approve posts to the group during the interrignum
between the primary moderator going away and finding a
replacment moderator. "dropping out" will consist either
of the moderator notifying the group he/she cannot moderate
any more but have not identified a replacement, or their
being out of contact and not approving any posts for a period
of two weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Administrative contact address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem-request@retro.com
Article submission address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem@retro.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.
This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.
At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.
Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent
accounts or with munged, spam-blocked, or undeliverable addresses are
invalid and will NOT be counted.
Please direct any questions to the votetaker at <neilc@wallaby.cc>
HOW TO VOTE:
Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!
Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your real name
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.
Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:
[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ CANCEL ] example.cancellation
DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot.
When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.wallaby.cc >
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
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If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.
======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line =======
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| 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
| Official Usenet Voting Ballot <SMN-0001> (Do not remove this line!)
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Established
| Usenet handles are also acceptable. Place ONLY your name (ie. do NOT
| include your e-mail address or any other information; ONLY your name)
| after the colon on the following line:
Voter name:
| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each
| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
Your Vote Newsgroup
--------- -----------------------------------------------------------
[ ] sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem (moderated)
======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============
DISTRIBUTION:
Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups:
rec.aviation.military
rec.aviation.military.naval
sci.space.policy
us.military.army
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb 6 1999).
PQ datestamp: 980322
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From neilc@wallaby.cc Sat Sep 7 22:30:02 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@wallaby.cc>
Reply-To: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.moderated,sci.military.naval
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <1031437412.44973@isc.org>
References: <1027980395.88012@isc.org> <1030493163.68308@isc.org>
Supersedes: <1030493163.68308@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 19 Sep 2002 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 22:23:32 UTC
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11799 news.groups:409828 sci.military.moderated:44190 sci.military.naval:365372
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 2002.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@wallaby.cc>
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy
and related topics related to weapons of mass destruction.
This shall include weapons of mass destruction themselves,
delivery systems for weapons of mass destruction, defenses
against weapons of mass destruction and their associated
delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons
of mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear,
biological, chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include
new and/or novel technologies. Delivery systems include but are
not limited to missiles, aircraft, artillery and unconventional
delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic
postings will be rejected should they be submitted, if they are
judged by the moderator to be a violation of applicable laws.
These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by the
moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States,
this includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable'
source, eg organisation website, book, govt (including non US)
source etc, rather than a transient one eg newsgroup posting,
individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering
committee of 6 people, 3 nominated by the first moderator
and 3 nominated by open straw poll in the group.
The steering committee will have the responsibility to
approve any additional moderators added should we adopt
a team moderation approach or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote.
Should the primary moderator "drop out" for some reason the
steering committee will be authorized to find, approve by 2/3 vote,
and request transfer of moderation authority to them, and may
each approve posts to the group during the interrignum
between the primary moderator going away and finding a
replacment moderator. "dropping out" will consist either
of the moderator notifying the group he/she cannot moderate
any more but have not identified a replacement, or their
being out of contact and not approving any posts for a period
of two weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Administrative contact address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem-request@retro.com
Article submission address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem@retro.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in
reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested
parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead,
direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.
Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of
this CFV is considered vote fraud.
This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be
listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real
name or an established Usenet handle.
At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate
votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.
Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from
WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent
accounts or with munged, spam-blocked, or undeliverable addresses are
invalid and will NOT be counted.
Please direct any questions to the votetaker at <neilc@wallaby.cc>
HOW TO VOTE:
Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after
the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about
the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me!
Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your real name
(or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the
appropriate locations inside the ballot.
Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:
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DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot!
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If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three
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If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to
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| newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):
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[ ] sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem (moderated)
======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============
DISTRIBUTION:
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From neilc@wallaby.cc Thu Sep 19 21:00:01 2002
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <neilc@wallaby.cc>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.war.nuclear,sci.military.moderated,sci.military.naval
Subject: RESULT: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem moderated fails 121:29
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <1032469013.41586@isc.org>
References: <1027980395.88012@isc.org> <1030493163.68308@isc.org> <1031437412.44973@isc.org>
Supersedes: <1031437412.44973@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:56:54 UTC
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11821 news.groups:411630 sci.military.moderated:44414 sci.military.naval:367461
RESULT
moderated group sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem fails 121:29
There were 121 YES votes and 29 NO votes, for a total of 150 valid
votes. There were 4 abstentions and 6 invalid ballots.
For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.
A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group
may not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Moderated)
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Sep 2002.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc@wallaby.cc>
RATIONALE: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
This group will be a moderated outgrowth of the existing newsgroup
alt.war.nuclear, which has existed for some years and has a moderate
steady volume of traffic actually about nuclear and other weapons of mass
destruction, plus excessive off topic crossposting, which is the primary
reason for this RFD.
CHARTER: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Discussion of the technology, operations, policy, strategy
and related topics related to weapons of mass destruction.
This shall include weapons of mass destruction themselves,
delivery systems for weapons of mass destruction, defenses
against weapons of mass destruction and their associated
delivery systems, the use and deterrence of use of weapons
of mass destruction, and other related topics as appropriate.
Weapons of mass destruction specifically include nuclear,
biological, chemical, and radiological weapons, and may include
new and/or novel technologies. Delivery systems include but are
not limited to missiles, aircraft, artillery and unconventional
delivery methods.
Postings should have a significant on topic technical, operational,
policy, strategy, or related content fraction or they will be deemed off
topic. Personal attacks and other abusive content will also be deemed off
topic. Off topic postings will be rejected.
Crossposting will be acceptable, specifically including alt.war.nuclear.
Due to the sensitivity of these topics, certain types of on topic
postings will be rejected should they be submitted, if they are
judged by the moderator to be a violation of applicable laws.
These restricted topics include:
* detailed design information for any WMD
* classified operational details for any WMD system
Rejection of detailed weaponisation technique posts will be enforced by the
moderator unless such material has previously been made public and is
not by nature secret information such as nuclear weapon design details.
Appeals of such rejection will only be successful if the poster can
provide references to previous public disclosure, and evidence that the
subject and level of details in the post are not classified or prohibited
under the laws of the posters' or moderators' nations.
For the initial moderator and posters located in the United States,
this includes "Restricted Data" as defined by the US law 42 USC Sec. 2014.
Evidence of previous public disclosure must be from a 'durable'
source, eg organisation website, book, govt (including non US)
source etc, rather than a transient one eg newsgroup posting,
individuals recent website etc.
Moderator replacement policy shall be as follows:
If the group passes, we will form a group steering
committee of 6 people, 3 nominated by the first moderator
and 3 nominated by open straw poll in the group.
The steering committee will have the responsibility to
approve any additional moderators added should we adopt
a team moderation approach or backup moderators, by 2/3 vote.
Should the primary moderator "drop out" for some reason the
steering committee will be authorized to find, approve by 2/3 vote,
and request transfer of moderation authority to them, and may
each approve posts to the group during the interrignum
between the primary moderator going away and finding a
replacment moderator. "dropping out" will consist either
of the moderator notifying the group he/she cannot moderate
any more but have not identified a replacement, or their
being out of contact and not approving any posts for a period
of two weeks.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem
Moderator: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Administrative contact address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem-request@retro.com
Article submission address: sci-military-nuclear-bio-chem@retro.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
sci.military.nuclear-bio-chem Final Voter list
NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are posted only to help verify the interest poll. Thank you.
Voted YES
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lindsell [at] rsc.anu.edu.au Graeme Lindsell
geoffrob [at] stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au The CO
mmrosa [at] bigpond.net.au Michal Rosa
laszlo [at] dcc.ufmg.br Laszlo Pinto
aa781 [at] freenet.carleton.ca AmiNTT
swang [at] cs.dal.ca Singer Wang
andrew.higgins [at] mcgill.ca =
zolota3 [at] shaw.ca zolota
chenshaw [at] sympatico.ca Coridon Henshaw
ru.igarashi [at] usask.ca ru igarashi
vanevery [at] 3DProgrammer.com Brandon Van Every
ron.l.maple [at] alcatel.com Ron Maple
max [at] alcyone.com Erik Max Francis
Essex9999 [at] aol.com Rollie Essex
NuclearFirestorm [at] aol.com Matthew E. Massey
REstey9690@aol.com</FONT><FONT COLOR="#660066" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">| richard e
Shardrukar [at] aol.com R D Grummer
steedee [at] aol.com Steve Dikkers
taxmanhog [at] attbi.com TaxmanHog
theayers [at] attbi.com James Ayers
kcrothers [at] awod.com k crothers</FONT></DIV>
sharp [at] cadence.com Steven Sharp
jmprice [at] calweb.com John M. Price, PhD
jhill [at] cruzio.com Jeff Hill
mort-angel [at] excite.com Mort Angel
biow [at] ezmort.com Christopher Biow
smlucas [at] flashmail.com Steven Lucas
phloem [at] fumbling.com Mike Sugimoto
hcb [at] gettcomm.com Howard Berkowitz
jectic [at] hotmail.com Jectic
LGM30G [at] hotmail.com =
darren.bane [at] intel.com Darren Bane
button [at] io.com Edward Bornstein
JamesL [at] Lugoj.com James Logajan
lawcraft [at] mchsi.com lawcraft
sgaunt [at] mindspring.com Steven K. Gaunt
billmiles15@msn.com Bill Miles</DIV> <DIV><BR>| Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or =
dirk [at] neopax.com Dirk Bruere
bernie [at] netgain.com Bernie Mans
kristian.geil [at] ntlworld.com Kristian Geil
stevevb [at] mail.omniauto.com Stephen Emrys Van Berg
phil [at] panix.com Phil Gustafson
rpp [at] panix.com Ron Petetson
jimrtex [at] pipeline.com Jim Riley
jessical [at] pobox.com Jessica Allan Lavarnway
gherbert [at] retro.com George William Herbert
Martyn.Wheeler [at] sas.com Martyn Wheeler
sverre [at] schriwer.com Sverre Schriwer
Dmckeon [at] swcp.com Denis McKeon
mike [at] thecivilwargroup.com Michael Furlan
dchat [at] tsboffshore.com David Chatagnier
bill [at] twunlimited.com Bill Proffitt
sunflyte [at] verdeonline.com Robert H. Hughes [aka: Sunflyte]
jelwell [at] visi.com Jim Elwell
derekl1963 [at] yahoo.com Derek Lyons
doug_obrien [at] yahoo.com Doug OBrien
publiusus [at] yahoo.com Thomas P. Sherren
mawarkus [at] t-online.de Matthias Warkus
stefan.mueller [at] uni-essen.de Dr. Stefan P. Mueller<br>
Ekkehard [at] Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
bouvin [at] daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
fungus [at] OCF.Berkeley.EDU Hank Fung
mstucka [at] math.luc.edu Mike Stucka
rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
eugene [at] cse.ucsc.edu Eugene Miya
ash [at] umich.edu andrew s heath
ifette [at] umich.edu Ian Fette
schillin [at] spock.usc.edu John Schilling
naleskin [at] cs.Helsinki.FI Niko Leskinen
marpih [at] niksula.hut.fi Markus Pihlaja
vmuikkul [at] ratol.fi Ville Muikkula
john [at] tradoc.fr John Wilcock
John_Bartley [at] orb.uscourts.gov John Bartley
mrtynan [at] indigo.ie Anthony Tynan
dfrost [at] maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
oliver [at] neukum.name Oliver Neukum
jde1 [at] att.net Jerry Ennis
dcm1981 [at] bellsouth.net David McNamara
fwbrown [at] bellsouth.net Wayne Brown
gc31014 [at] bellsouth.net Gregory Hunter
jspence31 [at] comcast.net Jim Spence
folsomm [at] cox.net Mike Folsom
rphenry [at] cox.net Richard Henry
cjones [at] dualboot.net Christopher M. Jones
careysub [at] earthling.net Carey Sublette
betatron [at] earthlink.net max
kbzero [at] earthlink.net Tony Massey
williamgmoore [at] earthlink.net
thomsona [at] flash.net Allen Thomson
steve [at] folta.net Steve Folta
aparsch [at] gmx.net Andreas Parsch
psmyth [at] gmx.net Peter Smyth
eric [at] goldstein.net Eric Goldstein
vpdura [at] hiwaay.net Vic Dura
waltm [at] hiwaay.net walt moffett
gh99 [at] hot1.net Gary Hine
gwalker [at] jump.net Gregory Walker
rmcleod [at] pacificcoast.net Robb McLeod
alex [at] pavloff.net Alex Pavloff
norman.yarvin [at] snet.net Norman Yarvin
ellis [at] spinics.net Rick Ellis
abetz [at] telus.net Alan R. Betz
tjerick [at] telusplanet.net
jtg55 [at] verizon.net Joseph T. Galietto
uhv.stuff [at] verizon.net bob
EcoLibertarian [at] webtv.net Keith Fulton
pu239 [at] webtv.net Pluto
athijssen [at] home.nl Andries Thijssen
mbl23 [at] student.canterbury.ac.nz Mark Blundell
sbfaulds [at] ihug.co.nz Stuart
simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall
KevinWilloughby [at] acm.org Kevin Willoughby
sdpoe [at] acm.org Stephen D. Poe
jeffrey [at] carlyle.org Jeffrey Coleman Carlyle
ttk2 [at] typhon.ciar.org TTK Ciar
murff [at] warlock.org Murff (Damian Murphy)
d98-jbo [at] nada.kth.se Johannes Borgstrom
andrew.gray [at] dur.ac.uk Andrew Gray
BrianPears [at] blueyonder.co.uk Brian Pears
jgd [at] cix.co.uk John Dallman
mjc [at] number8.dnet.co.uk Michael Comiskey
Voted NO
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yan [at] storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille
stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown
julesd [at] erols.com Jules Dubois
dougbob2 [at] hotmail.com Doug Robertson II
cat [at] idiom.com cat
JEckart [at] mail.com John Eckart
franck.t [at] netcourrier.com Franck T
squid [at] panix.com Yeoh Yiu
j.lecomte [at] pixmania.com Julien Lecomte
pan [at] syix.com Pan
gcz [at] falkoping.mail.telia.com Gunnar Creutz
john1 [at] TheWorld.com Fred Cherry
wiz [at] verinet.com Wiz
astheturbanwhirls [at] yahoo.com K.C.Robinson
pseunym [at] delphin-augsburg.de Stefan Frohling
ocra [at] gmx.de Oliver Crasser
joerg.bihlmayr [at] student.uni-ulm.de Jorg Bihlmayr
lischi [at] gmx.li Lily Schmider
dougbob [at] charter.net Bob Douglas
caschenk [at] gmx.net Carolin Schenk
chaot33 [at] gmx.net Agnes Stroll
GP4BSV [at] gmx.net Stephanie Bacher
bmailman1 [at] netzero.net Brian Mailman
mmontcha [at] OregonVOS.net Matthew Montchalin
thierry [at] pompo.net Thierry Thomas
erik [at] flits102-126.flits.rug.nl Erik Warmelink
adamb [at] lull.org Adam Bailey
zimnyzenon [at] interia.pl Zenobiusz Zimny
chriseb [at] ukshells.co.uk Chris Ebenezer
Abstained
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tjmc [at] enteract.com tjmc
rwpikul [at] idirect.com Rick Pikul
van.ette [at] inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette
jeff [at] puck.litech.org Jeffrey M. Vinocur
Invalid votes
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dan [at] ntras.com Dan Macgowan
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My_Private.Mail [at] gmx.net Sepp Troeger
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petermaude [at] pmfw.co.nz Peter Maude
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root [at] mauve.demon.co.uk Ian Stirling
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