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From: Jim Varney <jamesv@softcom.net>
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Subject: RFD: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Newsgroup line:
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe Visually observing artificial satellites.
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe. This is not a Call for
Votes(CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are
below.
RATIONALE: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a forum for exchange of
information and dicussion about all topics related to the visual
observation of artificial satellites. There is currently no newsgroup
to discuss satellite observing. Interest in this topic is high, as
evidenced by the large number of postings (on various less-suitable
newsgroups such as sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle) about
sightings of the Iridium satellites, Space Station Mir, the Space
Shuttle, and requests for the identification of unknown satellites.
The Visual Satellite Observer's Home Page web site
(http://www.satellite.eu.org/sat/vsohp/satintro.html) is averaging
15,000 hits a month.
Currently the main forum for discussions on this topic is the
unmoderated SeeSat-L mailing list
<SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org>. This list is growing
continuously and now has over 450 members, with a volume of up to
25 messages per day. Although unmoderated, SeeSat-L is monitored by
the list owner. Messages with a high information content, such as
observations and orbital elements, are encouraged. Protracted
discussions are discouraged.
Many of the SeeSat-L messages do not fit in any of the existing Usenet
newsgroups. The sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe newsgroup would
allow a larger group of satellite observers to exchange information
and have broader discussions about visual satellite observing.
Creation of this newsgroup would reduce the number of inappropriate
postings about satellite observations to newsgroups such as
sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle.
The intent of this newsgroup is not to replace the SeeSat-L mailing
list. SeeSat-L will remain unchanged to provide a medium for timely
news and messages with high information content.
CHARTER: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe is an unmoderated forum for
discussion and exchange of information about visual observing of
artificial satellites. Possible topics include (list is not exhaustive):
- reports of observations of artificial satellites (manned and
unmanned) and space probes using naked eye, binoculars, telescopes,
video, or photography
- orbital elements of satellites of current interest (new satellites,
satellites about to reenter the atmosphere, maneuvering satellites,
etc)
- announcements of planned and recent launches
- visibility predictions for artificial satellites
- predictions of the decay (atmospheric reentry) of artificial
satellites
- discussions about software related to predictions/analysis of visual
observations of artificial satellites
- instruments and techniques for visual observations of artificial
satellites
- results/reports of observational programs, such as the positional
measurements program of the UK Optical Tracking Working Group; the
flash period measurements program of the Belgian Working Group
Satellites; the informal spy satellite tracking program
- results of scientific studies using visual observations of
artificial satellites
The following types of articles are not part of the charter:
- non-visual artificial satellite observing (i.e. radio)
- articles which contain personal attacks of any sort, ad hominem
arguments, etc.
- blank messages, test messages, MAKE.MONEY.FAST, binaries, uuencoded
messages
- advertisements not related to artificial satellite observing.
Discussions about technical aspects of payloads or rockets are
acceptable, but only if they are branched off of an observation or are
limited in scope, detail and length. Articles containing discussions
of radio observations are not welcome, unless they are tied in with
visual observations.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents(available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.groups,
news.announce.newgroups, sci.astro, sci.astro.amateur,
sci.astro.planetarium, sci.space.shuttle, sci.space.policy.
This message will also be sent to the following mailing list after the
RFD has appeared in news.announce.newgroups:
SeeSat-L SeeSat-L@lists.satellite.eu.org
Follow-ups have been directed to news.groups. Please honor that and
keep the discussion to news.groups.
PROPONENTS:
Proponent: Jim Varney <jamesv@softcom.net>
Proponent: Jay Respler <JRespler@InJersey.com>
Proponent: Bart De Pontieu <bart@satellite.eu.org> (SeeSat-L list owner)
Proponent: Jeff Hunt <sat_mister@hotmail.com>
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Wed Feb 18 12:46:12 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: CFV: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
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Archive-Name: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:36:18 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9791 news.groups:271916 sci.astro:166943 sci.astro.amateur:90638 sci.astro.planetarium:5025 sci.space.policy:70441 sci.space.shuttle:56191
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read
them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process,
ask the votetaker.
This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots
or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe Visually observing artificial satellite.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Mar 1998.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Jim Varney <jamesv@softcom.net>
Proponent: Jay Respler <JRespler@InJersey.com>
Proponent: Bart De Pontieu <bart@satellite.eu.org>
Proponent: Jeff Hunt <sat_mister@hotmail.com>
Mentor: Ilana Stern <ilana@ncar.ucar.edu>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a forum for exchange of
information and dicussion about all topics related to the visual
observation of artificial satellites. There is currently no newsgroup
to discuss satellite observing. Interest in this topic is high, as
evidenced by the large number of postings (on various less-suitable
newsgroups such as sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle) about
sightings of the Iridium satellites, Space Station Mir, the Space
Shuttle, and requests for the identification of unknown satellites.
The Visual Satellite Observer's Home Page web site
(http://www.satellite.eu.org/sat/vsohp/satintro.html) is averaging
15,000 hits a month. Currently the main forum for discussions on
this topic is the unmoderated SeeSat-L mailing list
<SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org>.
Many of the SeeSat-L messages do not fit in any of the existing Usenet
newsgroups. The sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe newsgroup would
allow a larger group of satellite observers to exchange information
and have broader discussions about visual satellite observing.
Creation of this newsgroup would reduce the number of inappropriate
postings about satellite observations to newsgroups such as
sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle.
CHARTER: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe is an unmoderated forum for
discussion and exchange of information about visual observing of
artificial satellites. Possible topics include (list is not exhaustive):
- reports of observations of artificial satellites (manned and
unmanned) and space probes using naked eye, binoculars, telescopes,
video, or photography
- orbital elements of satellites of current interest (new satellites,
satellites about to reenter the atmosphere, maneuvering satellites,
etc)
- announcements of planned and recent launches
- visibility predictions for artificial satellites
- predictions of the decay (atmospheric reentry) of artificial
satellites
- discussions about software related to predictions/analysis of visual
observations of artificial satellites
- instruments and techniques for visual observations of artificial
satellites
- results/reports of observational programs, such as the positional
measurements program of the UK Optical Tracking Working Group; the
flash period measurements program of the Belgian Working Group
Satellites; the informal spy satellite tracking program
- results of scientific studies using visual observations of
artificial satellites
The following types of articles are not part of the charter:
- non-visual artificial satellite observing (i.e. radio)
- articles which contain personal attacks of any sort, ad hominem
arguments, etc.
- blank messages, test messages, MAKE.MONEY.FAST, binaries, uuencoded
messages
- advertisements not related to artificial satellite observing.
Discussions about technical aspects of payloads or rockets are
acceptable, but only if they are branched off of an observation or are
limited in scope, detail and length. Articles containing discussions
of radio observations are not welcome, unless they are tied in with
visual observations.
END CHARTER.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING
Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes
will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be listed in the final voting results post.
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forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI
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Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Mar 2 07:15:04 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <888850822.28470@isc.org>
References: <885952608.7249@isc.org> <887834178.2477@isc.org>
Supersedes: <887834178.2477@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 12 Mar 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:00:22 GMT
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read
them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process,
ask the votetaker.
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posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots
or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe Visually observing artificial satellite.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Mar 1998.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Jim Varney <jamesv@softcom.net>
Proponent: Jay Respler <JRespler@InJersey.com>
Proponent: Bart De Pontieu <bart@satellite.eu.org>
Proponent: Jeff Hunt <sat_mister@hotmail.com>
Mentor: Ilana Stern <ilana@ncar.ucar.edu>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a forum for exchange of
information and dicussion about all topics related to the visual
observation of artificial satellites. There is currently no newsgroup
to discuss satellite observing. Interest in this topic is high, as
evidenced by the large number of postings (on various less-suitable
newsgroups such as sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle) about
sightings of the Iridium satellites, Space Station Mir, the Space
Shuttle, and requests for the identification of unknown satellites.
The Visual Satellite Observer's Home Page web site
(http://www.satellite.eu.org/sat/vsohp/satintro.html) is averaging
15,000 hits a month. Currently the main forum for discussions on
this topic is the unmoderated SeeSat-L mailing list
<SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org>.
Many of the SeeSat-L messages do not fit in any of the existing Usenet
newsgroups. The sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe newsgroup would
allow a larger group of satellite observers to exchange information
and have broader discussions about visual satellite observing.
Creation of this newsgroup would reduce the number of inappropriate
postings about satellite observations to newsgroups such as
sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle.
CHARTER: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe is an unmoderated forum for
discussion and exchange of information about visual observing of
artificial satellites. Possible topics include (list is not exhaustive):
- reports of observations of artificial satellites (manned and
unmanned) and space probes using naked eye, binoculars, telescopes,
video, or photography
- orbital elements of satellites of current interest (new satellites,
satellites about to reenter the atmosphere, maneuvering satellites,
etc)
- announcements of planned and recent launches
- visibility predictions for artificial satellites
- predictions of the decay (atmospheric reentry) of artificial
satellites
- discussions about software related to predictions/analysis of visual
observations of artificial satellites
- instruments and techniques for visual observations of artificial
satellites
- results/reports of observational programs, such as the positional
measurements program of the UK Optical Tracking Working Group; the
flash period measurements program of the Belgian Working Group
Satellites; the informal spy satellite tracking program
- results of scientific studies using visual observations of
artificial satellites
The following types of articles are not part of the charter:
- non-visual artificial satellite observing (i.e. radio)
- articles which contain personal attacks of any sort, ad hominem
arguments, etc.
- blank messages, test messages, MAKE.MONEY.FAST, binaries, uuencoded
messages
- advertisements not related to artificial satellite observing.
Discussions about technical aspects of payloads or rockets are
acceptable, but only if they are branched off of an observation or are
limited in scope, detail and length. Articles containing discussions
of radio observations are not welcome, unless they are tied in with
visual observations.
END CHARTER.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING
Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes
will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be listed in the final voting results post.
Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous,
forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI
forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
The use of spam blockers or other munged addresses will prevent you from
receiving an acknowledgement of your vote. If the address cannot be
verified, the ballot will be disallowed.
Vote counting is automated, and failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly.
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. Instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
HOW TO VOTE:
Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the
"BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry
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reply inserts. Please do not send the entire CFV back to me.
Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide a valid name and
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When finished, MAIL the ballot to: <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>.
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.
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======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 27 1997).
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From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Thu Mar 12 14:45:11 1998
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.astro,sci.astro.amateur,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle
Subject: RESULT: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe passes 250:20
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <889741882.2769@isc.org>
References: <885952608.7249@isc.org> <887834178.2477@isc.org> <888850822.28470@isc.org>
Supersedes: <888850822.28470@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
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Archive-Name: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:31:24 GMT
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RESULT
unmoderated group sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe passes 250:20
There were 250 YES votes and 20 NO votes, for a total of 270 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 7 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe Visually observing artificial satellite.
The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 11 Mar 1998.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Jim Varney <jamesv@softcom.net>
Proponent: Jay Respler <JRespler@InJersey.com>
Proponent: Bart De Pontieu <bart@satellite.eu.org>
Proponent: Jeff Hunt <sat_mister@hotmail.com>
Mentor: Ilana Stern <ilana@ncar.ucar.edu>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a forum for exchange of
information and dicussion about all topics related to the visual
observation of artificial satellites. There is currently no newsgroup
to discuss satellite observing. Interest in this topic is high, as
evidenced by the large number of postings (on various less-suitable
newsgroups such as sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle) about
sightings of the Iridium satellites, Space Station Mir, the Space
Shuttle, and requests for the identification of unknown satellites.
The Visual Satellite Observer's Home Page web site
(http://www.satellite.eu.org/sat/vsohp/satintro.html) is averaging
15,000 hits a month. Currently the main forum for discussions on
this topic is the unmoderated SeeSat-L mailing list
<SeeSat-L-request@lists.satellite.eu.org>.
Many of the SeeSat-L messages do not fit in any of the existing Usenet
newsgroups. The sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe newsgroup would
allow a larger group of satellite observers to exchange information
and have broader discussions about visual satellite observing.
Creation of this newsgroup would reduce the number of inappropriate
postings about satellite observations to newsgroups such as
sci.astro.amateur and sci.space.shuttle.
CHARTER: sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe
Sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe is an unmoderated forum for
discussion and exchange of information about visual observing of
artificial satellites. Possible topics include (list is not exhaustive):
- reports of observations of artificial satellites (manned and
unmanned) and space probes using naked eye, binoculars, telescopes,
video, or photography
- orbital elements of satellites of current interest (new satellites,
satellites about to reenter the atmosphere, maneuvering satellites,
etc)
- announcements of planned and recent launches
- visibility predictions for artificial satellites
- predictions of the decay (atmospheric reentry) of artificial
satellites
- discussions about software related to predictions/analysis of visual
observations of artificial satellites
- instruments and techniques for visual observations of artificial
satellites
- results/reports of observational programs, such as the positional
measurements program of the UK Optical Tracking Working Group; the
flash period measurements program of the Belgian Working Group
Satellites; the informal spy satellite tracking program
- results of scientific studies using visual observations of
artificial satellites
The following types of articles are not part of the charter:
- non-visual artificial satellite observing (i.e. radio)
- articles which contain personal attacks of any sort, ad hominem
arguments, etc.
- blank messages, test messages, MAKE.MONEY.FAST, binaries, uuencoded
messages
- advertisements not related to artificial satellite observing.
Discussions about technical aspects of payloads or rockets are
acceptable, but only if they are branched off of an observation or are
limited in scope, detail and length. Articles containing discussions
of radio observations are not welcome, unless they are tied in with
visual observations.
END CHARTER.
sci.astro.satellites.visual-observe Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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102063.112@compuserve.com Dennis Bishop
a.seidel@klinik-dr-hancken.de Alexander Seidel
aballen@colby.edu Art Allen
aespejo@itn.cl Andres Espejo J.
akkana@netscape.com Akkana Peck
aknoefel@ddorf.rhein-ruhr.de Andre Knoefel
Alan@cadleyclump.demon.co.uk Alan
alan@wingar.demon.co.uk Alan Pickup
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anderson@knowware.net David M. Anderson
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budsmith@mail1.nai.net Bud Smith
casper@itexas.net Casper E. McCrary
ccamden@io.com Cary Camden
cdrolet@globetrotter.qc.ca Cl=E9ment Drolet
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chinad@uninet.com.cn Douglas S. Dawson III
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chris@kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman
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claybonham@email.msn.com Clay Bonham Jr.
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cre@interlog.com Ross Eddie
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jeffb@cruzio.com Jeff Blanchard
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kj5tf@mctc.com Jim
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Tobias.Erle@GMX.de Tobias Erle
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tsandbek@mother.com Terry Sandbek
TSSULLIVAN@amherst.edu Terence Sean Sullivan
tuckeg@Sage.EDU George F. Tucker
twallace@ll.mit.edu Tim Wallace
twideman@earthlink.net Thomas Wideman
txtr@axiom.net Kovelan
uh@joop.de Ullrich Heinemann
valentine@1bigred.com Frank Valentine
vpdura@hiwaay.net Vic Dura
vpearman@ix.netcom.com Vince Pearman
W.A.Boughton@helios.herts.ac.uk William Boughton
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wbp@pacbell.net Wm Phelps
wkuper@village.uunet.be Werner Kuper
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worden@uts.cc.utexas.edu Sue J. Worden
wpk@saao.ac.za Willie Koorts
xibalba@no-fi.com Chris Barrus
zafaran@newsguy.com Patricia A. Swan
zot@ampersand.com Mark Atwood
Voted No
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alvise@ve.shineline.it Luigi MANIERO
bob@flaminio.com Bob Flaminio
calabres@chass.utoronto.ca T.Calabrese
d@idiom.com d
gbacon@pluto.cs.uah.edu Greg Bacon
jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Joshua Kramer
juphoff@tarsier.cv.nrao.edu Jeff Uphoff
markhl@prodigy.net Mark Hanning-Lee
marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez
mcq@wco.com Rebecca G. McQuitty
moz@mich.com John C. Mozena
naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
pawli@usa.net Don Sillaway
riazor@nutecnet.com.br Irlandes Fernandes Gonzaga Junior
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
steiners@primenet.com Jason Steiner
William.Hamblen@nashville.com William Hamblen
Abstained
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Huix@aol.com Ulli Hanke
marcinp@nask.pl Marcin Podgorski
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