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From martinw@cs.chalmers.se Fri Jan 17 18:32:27 1997
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From: Martin Weichert <martinw@cs.chalmers.se>
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group soc.culture.esperanto
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the formal creation
of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
soc.culture.esperanto. This is not a Call for votes (CFV); you cannot
vote at this time. Procedural details are below.
An Esperanto version of this RFD is included as the second half of
this message.
Newsgroup lines:
soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
RATIONALE: soc.culture.esperanto
There is a newsgroup "soc.culture.esperanto" devoted to Esperanto.
Although (or maybe because?) it has existed for quite many years,
it has never gone through an official Usenet newsgroup creation process
and is theoretically an `INET-only' group. This is an undesirable
situation, as not all messages are delivered to all sites, and
eventually even the existence of the group itself may be in danger.
We therefore wish to remedy this anomaly and make this already
existing group "official" conforming to the standard creation
procedure in the "Big 8" Usenet hierarchy.
The group soc.culture.esperanto has existed since before 1990
and has today a daily traffic of ca. 40 articles (average over 2nd
half of 1996, counted in DejaNews).
It is gatewayed to the Internet mailing list "esperanto-l"
at <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> and to fido7.esperanto.
Messages sent to soc.culture.esperanto are forwarded to the
BITNET-based mailing list ESPER-L@TREARN.
The connections to these other groups/mailing lists would be
continued with the new, officialised newsgroup as well.
CHARTER: soc.culture.esperanto
soc.culture.esperanto is a newsgroup for discussion in or about the
Esperanto language, about its culture, politics, history, and all
topics normally discussed in "soc.culture.*" newsgroups.
The Esperanto language (a planned language initiated in 1887)
is spoken in over 100 countries around the world. It is not bound
to a specific nation or geographic area, yet it has a rich culture
including literature, periodicals, meetings, travelling, correspondence,
radio, theatre, and, more recently, activities on the Net.
Topics that are welcome in soc.culture.esperanto include (but
are not limited to): the Esperanto culture in all its forms, the
Esperanto community and movement, current events, and, of
course, the language itself, as well as discussions relating
to other planned languages. (However, flame wars about which
planned language is "better" should be avoided.)
Preferred language of soc.culture.esperanto is Esperanto. Beginners
are especially encouraged to post in Esperanto, or maybe bilingually
in Esperanto alongside their native tongue. Postings in other
languages that are not related to Esperanto are considered off-topic.
Posters to soc.culture.esperanto should be aware of the global
distribution of the group and should not assume that everybody
in it understands English.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.esperanto,alt.talk.esperanto,
fido7.esperanto,alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc
and the following mailing list:
esperanto-l@netcom.com (gatewayed to soc.culture.esperanto)
Subscribe via: esperanto-l-request@netcom.com
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Proponent: Martin Weichert <martinw@cs.chalmers.se>
Proponent: Alan Iwi <iwi@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
Proponent: Edmund Grimley-Evans <Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk>
================================================================
(Esperanto translation of RFD for soc.culture.esperanto)
ALVOKO POR DISKUTO ("REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION, RFD")
nefiltrata grupo soc.culture.esperanto
Tio cxi estas formala Alvoko Por Diskuto ("Request For Discussion, RFD")
por la formala kreo de tutmonda nefiltrata Usenet-novajxgrupo
soc.culture.esperanto. Tio cxi ne estas Alvoko Por Baloto ("Call for
votes, CFV"); vi ne povas baloti nun.
Proceduraj detaloj cxi-sube.
La angla versio de tiu cxi RFD haveblas per TTT cxe
http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~martinw/esperanto/sce-rfd.txt
aux per sendo de retmesagxo al <w3mail@gmd.de> kun la enhavo:
get http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~martinw/esperanto/sce-rfd.txt
Unulinia novajxgrupo-priskribo:
soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
(La neuxtrala internacia lingvo Esperanto.)
MOTIVIGO: soc.culture.esperanto
Ekzistas novajxgrupo "soc.culture.esperanto" dedicxita al Esperanto.
Kvankam (aux eble cxar?) gxi jam ekzistas de ne malmultaj jaroj,
gxi neniam establigxis per oficiala Usenet-novajxgrup-krea proceduro
kaj teorie estas nur-`INET'-a grupo. Tio estas nedezirinda situacio,
cxar ne cxiuj mesagxoj atingas cxiujn retlokojn, kaj iom-post-iom
ecx la ekzisto de la grupo mem povas endangxerigxi.
Ni tial volas kuraci tiun nenormalajxon kaj "oficialigi" tiun
jam ekzistantan grupon laux la norma krea proceduro en la
hierarhxio "Big 8" de Usenet.
La grupo soc.culture.esperanto ekzistas ekde antaux 1990
kaj havas hodiaux tagan trafluon de cx. 40 artikoloj (averagxo je
la dua duono de 1996, nombrita en DejaNews).
Gxi havas dudirektan kluzon al la Internet-a dissendolisto
"esperanto-l" cxe <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> kaj al
fido7.esperanto, kaj unudirektan kluzon al la BITNET-a dissendolisto
ESPER-L@TREARN.
Tiuj konektoj kun aliaj forumoj pluekzistu ankaux kun la nova,
oficialigita grupo.
STATUTO: soc.culture.esperanto
soc.culture.esperanto estas novajxgrupo por diskuti en aux pri
Esperanto,
pri gxiaj kulturo, politiko, historio, kaj cxiaj temoj ordinare
diskutataj en "soc.culture."-novajxgrupoj.
Esperanto (planlingvo iniciatita en 1887) estas parolata en pli
ol 100 landoj cxirkaux la mondo. Gxi ne apartenas al specifa
nacio aux geografia areo, tamen gxi havas ricxan kulturon inkluzive
literaturon, periodajxojn, kunvenojn, vojagxadon, korespondadon,
radion, teatron, kaj, pli moderne, aktivajxojn en la Reto.
Inter la temoj bonvenaj en soc.culture.esperanto trovigxas (ne nur):
la esperanta kulturo en cxiuj gxiaj formoj, la esperantaj komunumo
kaj movado, aktualaj eventoj, kaj, kompreneble, la lingvo mem, kaj
ankaux diskutoj rilate aliajn planlingvojn. (Tamen, oni evitu
kverelacxojn pri kiu planlingvo estas "pli bona".)
Preferata lingvo de soc.culture.esperanto estas Esperanto. Komencantoj
estas speciale instigitaj afisxi en Esperanto, eventuale dulingve
en Esperanto apud sia denaska lingvo. Afisxoj alilingvaj sen rilato
al Esperanto konsideratas ekstertemaj.
Afisxantoj al soc.culture.esperanto konsciu la tutmondan disvastigxon
de la grupo kaj ne supozu ke cxiu ano komprenas la anglan.
FINO DE STATUTO.
PROCEDURO:
Tio cxi estas alvoko por diskuto, ne alvoko por baloto. En tiu cxi
fazo de la procedo oni temigu kaj solvu cxiujn eventualajn problemojn
pri la proponita(j) novajxgrupo(j). La diskutperiodo dauxros por
minimume 21 tagoj (ekde la apero de la unua RFD (alvoko por diskuto)
por tiu propono en la novajxgrupo news.announce.newgroups), post kio
neuxtrala balotiganto afisxos Alvokon Por Baloto (Call For Votes, CFV).
Ne provu vocxdoni antaux ol tio okazos.
Cxiu diskuto pri tiu cxi propono okazu per afisxoj en news.groups.
[kaj okazu en la angla, aux kun traduko en la angla, aux kun paralela
teksto en la angla -- noto de la tradukinto]
Tiu cxi RFD provas plene lauxi la gvidliniojn por krei
Usenet-novajxgrupon, skizitajn en "How to Create a New Usenet
Newsgroup" ("Kiel krei novan Usenet-novajxgrupon") kaj "How to Format
and Submit a New Group Proposal" ("Kiel arangxi kaj lancxi proponon
pri nova grupo"). Bonvolu konsulti tiujn dokumentojn (haveblajn en
news.announce.newgroups) se vi havas iujn demandojn pri la proceduro.
DISKONIGO:
Tiu cxi RFD estas afisxita al jenaj novajxgrupoj:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.esperanto,alt.talk.esperanto,
fido7.esperanto,alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc
kaj al jena dissendolisto:
esperanto-l@netcom.com (kun kluzo al soc.culture.esperanto)
Abonu per: esperanto-l-request@netcom.com
-
Proponanto: Martin Weichert <martinw@cs.chalmers.se>
Proponanto: Alan Iwi <iwi@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
Proponanto: Edmund Grimley-Evans <Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk>
From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Mon Feb 24 11:04:29 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi>
Reply-To: voting@hut.fi
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.talk.esperanto,alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc,fido7.esperanto,soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.esperanto
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <856810140.902@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 18 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.culture.esperanto
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:49:00 GMT
Lines: 178
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:111
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group soc.culture.esperanto
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 17 Mar 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Martin Weichert <martinw@cs.chalmers.se>
Proponent: Alan Iwi <iwi@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
Proponent: Edmund Grimley-Evans <Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.esperanto
(English - see below for Esperanto translation)
There is a newsgroup "soc.culture.esperanto" devoted to Esperanto.
Although (or maybe because?) it has existed for quite many years,
it has never gone through an official Usenet newsgroup creation process
and is theoretically an `INET-only' group. This is an undesirable
situation, as not all messages are delivered to all sites, and
eventually even the existence of the group itself may be in danger.
We therefore wish to remedy this anomaly and make this already
existing group "official" conforming to the standard creation
procedure in the "Big 8" Usenet hierarchy.
The group soc.culture.esperanto has existed since before 1990
and has today a daily traffic of ca. 40 articles (average over 2nd
half of 1996, counted in DejaNews).
It is gatewayed to the Internet mailing list "esperanto-l"
at <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> and to fido7.esperanto.
Messages sent to soc.culture.esperanto are forwarded to the
BITNET-based mailing list ESPER-L@TREARN.
The connections to these other groups/mailing lists would be
continued with the new, officialised newsgroup as well.
(Esperanto)
MOTIVIGO: soc.culture.esperanto
Ekzistas novajxgrupo "soc.culture.esperanto" dedicxita al Esperanto.
Kvankam (aux eble cxar?) gxi jam ekzistas de ne malmultaj jaroj,
gxi neniam establigxis per oficiala Usenet-novajxgrup-krea proceduro
kaj teorie estas nur-`INET'-a grupo. Tio estas nedezirinda situacio,
cxar ne cxiuj mesagxoj atingas cxiujn retlokojn, kaj iom-post-iom
ecx la ekzisto de la grupo mem povas endangxerigxi.
Ni tial volas kuraci tiun nenormalajxon kaj "oficialigi" tiun
jam ekzistantan grupon laux la norma krea proceduro en la
hierarhxio "Big 8" de Usenet.
La grupo soc.culture.esperanto ekzistas ekde antaux 1990
kaj havas hodiaux tagan trafluon de cx. 40 artikoloj (averagxo je
la dua duono de 1996, nombrita en DejaNews).
Gxi havas dudirektan kluzon al la Internet-a dissendolisto
"esperanto-l" cxe <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> kaj al
fido7.esperanto, kaj unudirektan kluzon al la BITNET-a dissendolisto
ESPER-L@TREARN.
Tiuj konektoj kun aliaj forumoj pluekzistu ankaux kun la nova,
oficialigita grupo.
CHARTER: soc.culture.esperanto
(English - see below for Esperanto translation)
soc.culture.esperanto is a newsgroup for discussion in or about the
Esperanto language, about its culture, politics, history, and all
topics normally discussed in "soc.culture.*" newsgroups.
The Esperanto language (a planned language initiated in 1887)
is spoken in over 100 countries around the world. It is not bound
to a specific nation or geographic area, yet it has a rich culture
including literature, periodicals, meetings, travelling,
correspondence, slang, folklore, science, radio, theatre,
and, more recently, activities on the Net.
Topics that are welcome in soc.culture.esperanto include (but
are not limited to): the Esperanto culture in all its forms, the
Esperanto community and movement, current events, and, of
course, the language itself, as well as discussions relating
to other planned languages. (However, flame wars about which
planned language is "better" should be avoided.)
Preferred language of soc.culture.esperanto is Esperanto. Beginners
are especially encouraged to post in Esperanto, or maybe bilingually
in Esperanto alongside their native tongue. Postings in other
languages that are not related to Esperanto are considered off-topic.
Posters to soc.culture.esperanto should be aware of the global
distribution of the group and should assume that not everybody
in it understands English.
(Esperanto --- STATUTO: soc.culture.esperanto)
soc.culture.esperanto estas novajxgrupo por diskuti en aux pri
Esperanto, pri gxiaj kulturo, politiko, historio, kaj cxiaj temoj
ordinare diskutataj en "soc.culture."-novajxgrupoj.
Esperanto (planlingvo iniciatita en 1887) estas parolata en pli
ol 100 landoj cxirkaux la mondo. Gxi ne apartenas al specifa
nacio aux geografia areo, tamen gxi havas ricxan kulturon inkluzive
literaturon, periodajxojn, kunvenojn, vojagxadon, korespondadon,
slangon, folkloron, sciencon, radion, teatron, kaj, pli moderne,
aktivajxojn en la Reto.
Inter la temoj bonvenaj en soc.culture.esperanto trovigxas (ne nur):
la esperanta kulturo en cxiuj gxiaj formoj, la esperantaj komunumo
kaj movado, aktualaj eventoj, kaj, kompreneble, la lingvo mem, kaj
ankaux diskutoj rilate aliajn planlingvojn. (Tamen, oni evitu
kverelacxojn pri kiu planlingvo estas "pli bona".)
Preferata lingvo de soc.culture.esperanto estas Esperanto. Komencantoj
estas speciale instigitaj afisxi en Esperanto, eventuale dulingve
en Esperanto apud sia denaska lingvo. Afisxoj alilingvaj sen rilato
al Esperanto konsideratas ekstertemaj.
Afisxantoj al soc.culture.esperanto konsciu la tutmondan disvastigxon
de la grupo kaj supozu ke ne cxiu ano komprenas la anglan.
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE:
Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer.
You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:
voting@hut.fi
Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work.
Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message
should contain one and only one of the following vote statements:
I vote YES on soc.culture.esperanto
I vote NO on soc.culture.esperanto
Voter name:
If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and
Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line
and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line
is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words
"Voter name"!
You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which
removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count
in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes
must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous,
forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI
forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0beta (Feb 23 1997).
PQ datestamp: 970122
--
Voting address : voting@hut.fi
Voting information: http://www.hut.fi/~jpatokal/uvv/
From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Thu Mar 6 09:23:07 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi>
Reply-To: voting@hut.fi
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.talk.esperanto,alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc,fido7.esperanto,soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.esperanto
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <857663857.22213@isc.org>
Supersedes: <856810140.902@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 18 Mar 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.culture.esperanto
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 15:57:38 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:159
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group soc.culture.esperanto
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 17 Mar 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Martin Weichert <martinw@cs.chalmers.se>
Proponent: Alan Iwi <iwi@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
Proponent: Edmund Grimley-Evans <Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.esperanto
(English - see below for Esperanto translation)
There is a newsgroup "soc.culture.esperanto" devoted to Esperanto.
Although (or maybe because?) it has existed for quite many years,
it has never gone through an official Usenet newsgroup creation process
and is theoretically an `INET-only' group. This is an undesirable
situation, as not all messages are delivered to all sites, and
eventually even the existence of the group itself may be in danger.
We therefore wish to remedy this anomaly and make this already
existing group "official" conforming to the standard creation
procedure in the "Big 8" Usenet hierarchy.
The group soc.culture.esperanto has existed since before 1990
and has today a daily traffic of ca. 40 articles (average over 2nd
half of 1996, counted in DejaNews).
It is gatewayed to the Internet mailing list "esperanto-l"
at <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> and to fido7.esperanto.
Messages sent to soc.culture.esperanto are forwarded to the
BITNET-based mailing list ESPER-L@TREARN.
The connections to these other groups/mailing lists would be
continued with the new, officialised newsgroup as well.
(Esperanto)
MOTIVIGO: soc.culture.esperanto
Ekzistas novajxgrupo "soc.culture.esperanto" dedicxita al Esperanto.
Kvankam (aux eble cxar?) gxi jam ekzistas de ne malmultaj jaroj,
gxi neniam establigxis per oficiala Usenet-novajxgrup-krea proceduro
kaj teorie estas nur-`INET'-a grupo. Tio estas nedezirinda situacio,
cxar ne cxiuj mesagxoj atingas cxiujn retlokojn, kaj iom-post-iom
ecx la ekzisto de la grupo mem povas endangxerigxi.
Ni tial volas kuraci tiun nenormalajxon kaj "oficialigi" tiun
jam ekzistantan grupon laux la norma krea proceduro en la
hierarhxio "Big 8" de Usenet.
La grupo soc.culture.esperanto ekzistas ekde antaux 1990
kaj havas hodiaux tagan trafluon de cx. 40 artikoloj (averagxo je
la dua duono de 1996, nombrita en DejaNews).
Gxi havas dudirektan kluzon al la Internet-a dissendolisto
"esperanto-l" cxe <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> kaj al
fido7.esperanto, kaj unudirektan kluzon al la BITNET-a dissendolisto
ESPER-L@TREARN.
Tiuj konektoj kun aliaj forumoj pluekzistu ankaux kun la nova,
oficialigita grupo.
CHARTER: soc.culture.esperanto
(English - see below for Esperanto translation)
soc.culture.esperanto is a newsgroup for discussion in or about the
Esperanto language, about its culture, politics, history, and all
topics normally discussed in "soc.culture.*" newsgroups.
The Esperanto language (a planned language initiated in 1887)
is spoken in over 100 countries around the world. It is not bound
to a specific nation or geographic area, yet it has a rich culture
including literature, periodicals, meetings, travelling,
correspondence, slang, folklore, science, radio, theatre,
and, more recently, activities on the Net.
Topics that are welcome in soc.culture.esperanto include (but
are not limited to): the Esperanto culture in all its forms, the
Esperanto community and movement, current events, and, of
course, the language itself, as well as discussions relating
to other planned languages. (However, flame wars about which
planned language is "better" should be avoided.)
Preferred language of soc.culture.esperanto is Esperanto. Beginners
are especially encouraged to post in Esperanto, or maybe bilingually
in Esperanto alongside their native tongue. Postings in other
languages that are not related to Esperanto are considered off-topic.
Posters to soc.culture.esperanto should be aware of the global
distribution of the group and should assume that not everybody
in it understands English.
(Esperanto)
soc.culture.esperanto estas novajxgrupo por diskuti en aux pri
Esperanto,
pri gxiaj kulturo, politiko, historio, kaj cxiaj temoj ordinare
diskutataj en "soc.culture."-novajxgrupoj.
Esperanto (planlingvo iniciatita en 1887) estas parolata en pli
ol 100 landoj cxirkaux la mondo. Gxi ne apartenas al specifa
nacio aux geografia areo, tamen gxi havas ricxan kulturon inkluzive
literaturon, periodajxojn, kunvenojn, vojagxadon, korespondadon,
slangon, folkloron, sciencon, radion, teatron, kaj, pli moderne,
aktivajxojn en la Reto.
Inter la temoj bonvenaj en soc.culture.esperanto trovigxas (ne nur):
la esperanta kulturo en cxiuj gxiaj formoj, la esperantaj komunumo
kaj movado, aktualaj eventoj, kaj, kompreneble, la lingvo mem, kaj
ankaux diskutoj rilate aliajn planlingvojn. (Tamen, oni evitu
kverelacxojn pri kiu planlingvo estas "pli bona".)
Preferata lingvo de soc.culture.esperanto estas Esperanto. Komencantoj
estas speciale instigitaj afisxi en Esperanto, eventuale dulingve
en Esperanto apud sia denaska lingvo. Afisxoj alilingvaj sen rilato
al Esperanto konsideratas ekstertemaj.
Afisxantoj al soc.culture.esperanto konsciu la tutmondan disvastigxon
de la grupo kaj supozu ke ne cxiu ano komprenas la anglan.
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From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Tue Mar 18 08:45:06 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi>
Reply-To: jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.talk.esperanto,alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc,fido7.esperanto,soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.esperanto passes 224:31
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RESULT
unmoderated group soc.culture.esperanto passes 224:31
There were 224 YES votes and 31 NO votes, for a total of 255 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
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news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.esperanto The neutral international language Esperanto.
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 17 Mar 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Martin Weichert <martinw@cs.chalmers.se>
Proponent: Alan Iwi <iwi@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk>
Proponent: Edmund Grimley-Evans <Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Votetaker: Jani Patokallio <jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.esperanto
(English - see below for Esperanto translation)
There is a newsgroup "soc.culture.esperanto" devoted to Esperanto.
Although (or maybe because?) it has existed for quite many years,
it has never gone through an official Usenet newsgroup creation process
and is theoretically an `INET-only' group. This is an undesirable
situation, as not all messages are delivered to all sites, and
eventually even the existence of the group itself may be in danger.
We therefore wish to remedy this anomaly and make this already
existing group "official" conforming to the standard creation
procedure in the "Big 8" Usenet hierarchy.
The group soc.culture.esperanto has existed since before 1990
and has today a daily traffic of ca. 40 articles (average over 2nd
half of 1996, counted in DejaNews).
It is gatewayed to the Internet mailing list "esperanto-l"
at <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> and to fido7.esperanto.
Messages sent to soc.culture.esperanto are forwarded to the
BITNET-based mailing list ESPER-L@TREARN.
The connections to these other groups/mailing lists would be
continued with the new, officialised newsgroup as well.
(Esperanto)
MOTIVIGO: soc.culture.esperanto
Ekzistas novajxgrupo "soc.culture.esperanto" dedicxita al Esperanto.
Kvankam (aux eble cxar?) gxi jam ekzistas de ne malmultaj jaroj,
gxi neniam establigxis per oficiala Usenet-novajxgrup-krea proceduro
kaj teorie estas nur-`INET'-a grupo. Tio estas nedezirinda situacio,
cxar ne cxiuj mesagxoj atingas cxiujn retlokojn, kaj iom-post-iom
ecx la ekzisto de la grupo mem povas endangxerigxi.
Ni tial volas kuraci tiun nenormalajxon kaj "oficialigi" tiun
jam ekzistantan grupon laux la norma krea proceduro en la
hierarhxio "Big 8" de Usenet.
La grupo soc.culture.esperanto ekzistas ekde antaux 1990
kaj havas hodiaux tagan trafluon de cx. 40 artikoloj (averagxo je
la dua duono de 1996, nombrita en DejaNews).
Gxi havas dudirektan kluzon al la Internet-a dissendolisto
"esperanto-l" cxe <esperanto-l-request@netcom.com> kaj al
fido7.esperanto, kaj unudirektan kluzon al la BITNET-a dissendolisto
ESPER-L@TREARN.
Tiuj konektoj kun aliaj forumoj pluekzistu ankaux kun la nova,
oficialigita grupo.
CHARTER: soc.culture.esperanto
(English - see below for Esperanto translation)
soc.culture.esperanto is a newsgroup for discussion in or about the
Esperanto language, about its culture, politics, history, and all
topics normally discussed in "soc.culture.*" newsgroups.
The Esperanto language (a planned language initiated in 1887)
is spoken in over 100 countries around the world. It is not bound
to a specific nation or geographic area, yet it has a rich culture
including literature, periodicals, meetings, travelling,
correspondence, slang, folklore, science, radio, theatre,
and, more recently, activities on the Net.
Topics that are welcome in soc.culture.esperanto include (but
are not limited to): the Esperanto culture in all its forms, the
Esperanto community and movement, current events, and, of
course, the language itself, as well as discussions relating
to other planned languages. (However, flame wars about which
planned language is "better" should be avoided.)
Preferred language of soc.culture.esperanto is Esperanto. Beginners
are especially encouraged to post in Esperanto, or maybe bilingually
in Esperanto alongside their native tongue. Postings in other
languages that are not related to Esperanto are considered off-topic.
Posters to soc.culture.esperanto should be aware of the global
distribution of the group and should assume that not everybody
in it understands English.
(Esperanto)
soc.culture.esperanto estas novajxgrupo por diskuti en aux pri
Esperanto,
pri gxiaj kulturo, politiko, historio, kaj cxiaj temoj ordinare
diskutataj en "soc.culture."-novajxgrupoj.
Esperanto (planlingvo iniciatita en 1887) estas parolata en pli
ol 100 landoj cxirkaux la mondo. Gxi ne apartenas al specifa
nacio aux geografia areo, tamen gxi havas ricxan kulturon inkluzive
literaturon, periodajxojn, kunvenojn, vojagxadon, korespondadon,
slangon, folkloron, sciencon, radion, teatron, kaj, pli moderne,
aktivajxojn en la Reto.
Inter la temoj bonvenaj en soc.culture.esperanto trovigxas (ne nur):
la esperanta kulturo en cxiuj gxiaj formoj, la esperantaj komunumo
kaj movado, aktualaj eventoj, kaj, kompreneble, la lingvo mem, kaj
ankaux diskutoj rilate aliajn planlingvojn. (Tamen, oni evitu
kverelacxojn pri kiu planlingvo estas "pli bona".)
Preferata lingvo de soc.culture.esperanto estas Esperanto. Komencantoj
estas speciale instigitaj afisxi en Esperanto, eventuale dulingve
en Esperanto apud sia denaska lingvo. Afisxoj alilingvaj sen rilato
al Esperanto konsideratas ekstertemaj.
Afisxantoj al soc.culture.esperanto konsciu la tutmondan disvastigxon
de la grupo kaj supozu ke ne cxiu ano komprenas la anglan.
END CHARTER.
soc.culture.esperanto Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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100273.1415@CompuServe.COM Roy McCoy
2garabik@center.fmph.uniba.sk Radovan Garabik
3lepionk@pegaz.if.uj.edu.pl Janusz Lepionko
5ZERVIC@stu.jmls.edu Christopher M. A. Zervic
71064.332@CompuServe.COM George W. Partlow
abennett@worldnet.att.net Anna Bennett
adia@egnatia.ee.auth.gr Alejandros Diamandidis
af@contract.co.uk Alan Fleming
Alain.Fagot@imag.fr FAGOT Alain
alan@agolincs.demon.co.uk Alan Gould
alexs@rosewood.his.ucsf.EDU Alexander Shlyafer
amos@nsof.co.il Amos Shapir
an448@freenet.carleton.ca Yves Bellefeuille
antony@cix.compulink.co.uk Antony Rawlinson
as999@torfree.net Adrian Boldan
atubman@os.com Alan Tubman
aw486@freenet.carleton.ca John Monroe
Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Axel Belinfante
azaderej@tn.odessa.ua Andrej Zaderej <azaderej@tn.odessa.ua>
bacano@fc.ul.pt Antonio MARTINS
badger@geta.life.uiuc.edu Jonathan Badger
bhassel@orion.rz.mdc-berlin.de Burkhard Hassel
billder@fluxion.com Bill DeRouchey
bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
boldux@cam.org Suzanne BOLDUC
booton@icnet.net Darold Booton, Jr.
BORGE.B.V.VINTER@LCR.thomson.fr Borge VINTER
boveer@CLI.DI.Unipi.IT Bove Luca
brown9@niehs.nih.gov Lance A. Brown
bruno@poetic.com Bruno MASALA
bryand@larry.fc.hp.com Bryan P. Dawe
bsavage@nuri.net Barry Savage
bslikker@bart.nl Berna Slikker
byrial@post3.tele.dk Byrial Jensen
c.hooley1@physics.oxford.ac.uk Chris Hooley
caidc@yuntech.edu.tw Dengchuan Cai
cappa@aosta.gvo.it Giulio Cappa
carlj@peak.org Carl Johnson
caviness@southern.edu Ken Caviness
cbstone@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Christopher B. Stone
chpr@via.at Christian Pree
cjdpcssd@mail.ims-1.com Curtis Jewell
cookfam4@erols.com James Cook
coralieja@aol.com Coralie J. Allen
crleech@freenet.carleton.ca Colin R. Leech
cvi@netvision.net.il Cvi Solt
cxarli@best.com Charlie Galvin
D'Eramo@mail.dec.com Dan D'Eramo
D.J.HALL@lse.ac.uk Damien J. Hall
daveydee@pobox.com Dave JW Day
david.mayall@ukonline.co.uk dave mayall
David@cupboard.demon.co.uk David G Brown
dbowie@sas.upenn.edu David Bowie
dcannon@bigfoot.com David and Mary Cannon
dcouturier@a2i-micro.fr Dominique Couturier
ddg@dos.nortel.com D. Dale Gulledge
dgary@mindspring.com D Gary Grady
dlane@contactpt.com David Lane
donh@shellx.best.com Donald J. Harlow
dpardue@mail.lib.ukans.edu David Pardue
dputzolu@teleport.com David M. Putzolu
dtw@Brooktrout.COM David Wolff
duncan@medc1.paisley.ac.uk Duncan C THOMSON
Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
elna@netcom.com Ionel Onet
emma@Kanpai.Stanford.EDU Emma Pease
erh@post4.tele.dk Ejnar Hjorth
Eric.Coffinet@wanadoo.fr coffinet éric bernard
ericl@iname.com Eric Laubacher
esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us Eric S. Johansson
espero@saluton.iaf.nl Gerard van der Horst
ETL.ETLANIE@memo.ericsson.se Aaron Irvine
euthke@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke
fel@knooppunt.be Vlaamse Esperantobond
finc27@pop.uni-dortmund.de Thomas Adams
fluffy@macconnect.com Fluffy
forta@cip.es Orta, Francisco
franck@altsoft.demon.co.uk Franck Arnaud
fro@synapse.net Stephane Larochelle
gal@adv.magwien.gv.at Peter Gallasch
galicia@ksu.edu Pedro L. Muiño
garolo@att.com Jay Fishman
gh090@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Boris Kolker
ghale@ktn.net George Hale
gkiraz@research.bell-labs.com George Kiraz
gransart@lifl.fr Christophe Gransart
gtlynch@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Gerard Lynch
"guy.werlings@wanadoo.fr"@wanadoo.fr Guy Werlings
H.Duerer@zait.uni-bremen.de Holger Duerer - Esperanto parolata
haggerty@oasys.dt.navy.mil Patricia Haggerty
halter@i2m.fr HALTER
Harri.Laine@oph.fi Harri LAINE
hartwig@berlin.snafu.de sebastiano hartviga <hartwig@berlin.snafu.de>
Henry@zero.in-berlin.de Wolfram Riedel
hinsen@ibs.ibs.fr Konrad Hinsen
hiongun@ktweb.kotel.co.kr KIM Hiongun
hockemey@wundt.kfunigraz.ac.at Cord Hockemeyer
humbert@crai.archi.fr Pascal Humbert
Hyun.Park@cl.cam.ac.uk Hyun Park
Ian@mintex.demon.co.uk Ian Fantom
icoelho@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com Ivan C. Coelho
irina@rempt.xs4all.nl Irina Rempt
ivan@inep.ufsc.br Ivan Eidt Colling
iwi@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk Alan Iwi
iza@luna.nl Izabel C. O. Santiago
J.B.Swenker@PTT-Telecom.NL Johan Swenker
j.jacobsen1@physics.oxford.ac.uk Jesper Lykke Jacobsen
jajones@ermine.ox.ac.uk Jonathan Jones
james@moosebox.demon.co.uk James Farrar
jardar@nvg.ntnu.no Jardar Eggesbo Abrahamsen
jens@cphling.dk Jens S. Larsen
jesp@intercable.net Jesus Eugenio Sanchez
jhoward@vvm.com Jim Howard
jkerr@math.lsa.umich.edu Julie Kerr
jmst@uportu.pt Joaquim Torres
joemann@fuenf.free.de Johannes 5 Joemann
johano@alaska.net John M. Weeks
johnd@northlink.com John Dale
jon.c.stewart-taylor@adn.alcatel.com Jon Stewart-Taylor
Joseph.Saint-Pierre@cict.fr Joseph Saint Pierre
jsk591@merle.acns.nwu.edu Joshua Kreitzer
jslindst@cc.helsinki.fi Jouko Lindstedt
jvazquez@slip.net Jose R. Vazquez
kaihsu@ugcs.caltech.edu TE Khai-su
kallekn@uni-x.se Kalle Kniivila
kalyn@sparkle.cambridgenet.sk.ca James Kalyn
karev@post.krascience.rssi.ru Viktor Karev
katayama@ogawa.nuee.nagoya-u.ac.jp KATAYAMA, Masaaki
kim21@hermes.cam.ac.uk Kate Mitchell
kingdon@harvey.cyclic.com Jim Kingdon
klj@efn.org Kathleen Jones
kmckinla@ochin.on.ca Kenneth McKinlay
knappen@iphcip1.physik.uni-mainz.de J%org Knappen
larsk@post1.tele.dk Lars Knudsen
LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk Dr. A. V. Le Blanc
lilandbr@scn.org Leland Bryant Ross
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder
lucky@sky.net Dana Smith
M.Meeuwissen@fys.ruu.nl Michiel Meeuwissen
M.P.Radford@exeter.ac.uk Martin Radford
mabzug1@gl.umbc.edu Mordechai T. Abzug
maio@bhv.ipnet.de Mario Mueller
malcolm@malshack.demon.co.uk Malcolm Squance
Marianne.Welle@camcon.co.uk Marianne Welle
marko@tekelec.com Marko Rauhamaa
martin.zurn@jrc.it Martin Zurn
martinw@mail.cs.chalmers.se Martin Weichert
martyn@twics.com Martyn Williams
masa@sainet.or.jp Uc^ida Masatomo
masanori@crux.src.ricoh.co.jp HARADA Masanori
matlah@sci.fi Matti Lahtinen
matt@primefactor.com Matt Perry
mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it Maurizio Codogno
mcq@niihau.ucsf.edu Rebecca G. McQuitty
mdo1@cornell.edu Michael Oltz
mhatz@raven.phs.com Mike Hatz
mpw22@hermes.cam.ac.uk Matthew Whelan
mrison@acorn.co.uk Mark RISON
msalis@mail.wadoo.com msalis
n.gant@genie.com n.gant@genie.com
naddy@mips.pfalz.de Christian Weisgerber
neffets@cs.tu-berlin.de Steffen Pietsch
ney20@hermes.cam.ac.uk Neil Yorke-Smith
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri
nilsola@uab.ericsson.se Nils Ola Linnermark
nkivimak@chat.carleton.ca Noel Kivimaki
oera@tio.net Orlando E. Raola
omnicale@dca.net Alex Cherepanov
omp20@hermes.cam.ac.uk Oliver Pereira
pariah@creole.iinet.net.au Michael Malone
paris@byu.edu Robert Craig Harman
pataca@brnet.com.br Paulo de Tarso Cardoso
patric@unm.edu Patricia Rathbone
paul@knooppunt.be Paul Peeraerts
paustin@astro.ocis.temple.edu Pam Austin
paxil@cancom.net Trevor Tymchuk
PEH00446@niftyserve.or.jp HIROTAKA Masaaki
perimath@sn.no Per I. Mathisen
perle@cs.tu-berlin.de Frank Wilde
PGubbins@compuserve.com Paul Gubbins
phalanx@freenet.hut.fi Manuel Giorgini
phil@vision25.demon.co.uk Phil Hunt
phoinics@zetnet.co.uk Dr Sian Leitch
Pit.Kreiner@astrum.de Pit Kreiner
pjh1@leicester.ac.uk Pete Humble
POK@iis.nsk.su Sergei B. Pokrovsky
profcon@t-online.de Simon Payne
rbh@goodnet.com Ron Harvey
rcpj@panix.com Pierre Jelenc
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rick@tolive.vnet.net Rick Pasotto
rlynn@cix.compulink.co.uk Ronald Lynn
rootbeer@teleport.com Tom Phoenix
rosalind@esplond.demon.co.uk Rosalind Walter
Rozenn.Texier@ens-lyon.fr Rozenn Texier
rra@cs.stanford.edu Russ Allbery
rrdl4000@rideto.zrz.tu-berlin.de Raimund Riedel
shields@tembel.org Michael Shields
silvano@CAM.ORG Sylvain Auclair
spban@eskimo.com Stefani Banerian
SteveHorth@aol.com Steve Horth
SteveMac@goodnet.com Stephen MacGregor
steven.mancey@vocalis.com Steven Mancey
stevensb@wheat.mnsfld.edu Benjamin Stevens
stuart@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz Stuart Yeates
tc@Mcs.Net Thomas Cuny
thetrekguy@aol.com Bradford Brown
tomatis@cisi.unito.it Marco Tomatis
trio@tio.net E. Williger
ugoertz@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE Ulrich Goertz
urban@netcom.com Michael Urban
V.Delcroix@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Microbiology
via@mps.com.br Via Interativa
walpolr@CS.ORST.EDU R. Walpole
wk@cci.dk Wolfgang Kirschstein <wk@cci.dk>
wmunsil@aztec.asu.edu WILLIAM W MUNSIL
wnoise@myxo.ugcs.caltech.edu Aaron Denney
WRHarmon@aol.com William R. Harmon
wvganswk@xs4all.nl Wil van Ganswijk <wvganswk@xs4all.nl>
youm@flame.yuntech.edu.tw Manlai YOU
yura@univ.simbirsk.su Jurij FINKEL
zhong@accton.com.tw Zhong Qiyao
zot@ampersand.com Mark Atwood
zsolt@iName.com Váradi Zsolt
Voted No
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ad975@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mercy Arinze
afabbro@brokenarrow.us.itd.umich.edu Andrew Fabbro
booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
dballard@cs.com Don Ballard
dc@panix.com David W. Crawford
deadlock@one.net DeadLock the Feral
ed@twin-cities.com ed bertsch
estep@hotmail.com Christopher Estep
fnord@odyssee.net Thomas Moll
gaillard@panix.com Ed Gaillard
gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan
ito@alumni.cs.colorado.edu Bob Ito
jeb27@cam.ac.uk James Broughton
jenoff@interlog.com Allan Jenoff
jgeorge@nbi.com Joe George
kimdv@netcom.com Kim DeVaughn
lcs@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith
marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez
maxval@mbox.digsys.bg Ivan Marinov
nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman
OGUOCHA@skyway.usask.ca oguocha ike
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
richsong@vcn.bc.ca Richard Songhurst
salamoms@Studenten.IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE Markus Salamon
schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de Georg Schwarz
shauna@argo.net.au Shaun Anthony
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
stamper@stamper.com Chris Stamper
tjaskiew@kibo.us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz
tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson
wvh@geodesy.inka.de Wolfgang von Hansen
Abstained
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jk@esperance.com Joel Klecker
Votes in error
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jdg@rahul.net John David Galt
! Conflicting votes
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