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From lba@kolvi.hut.fi Mon Sep 27 10:16:50 1993
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From: lba@kolvi.hut.fi (Laszlo C. Balint)
Subject: CALL FOR DISCUSSION : soc.culture.magyar
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Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 91 23:46:24 PST
Keywords: posted
As most possibly yesterday was the 990th anniversary of the crowning
of the first Hungarian king, (Saint) Istvan Ist, i feel it just to
be time to issue a
CALL FOR DISCUSSION : soc.culture.magyar
(I think you thought, you were celebrating the new years day. No.)
(I will be very pathetic, forgive me for it. And as the topic was
already discussed with some people, I will use the royal plural.)
We ask the net-world, and especially all the interested people to
grant a newsgroup to the culture, history and people of the country
and nation, which gave the world several personalities, changing
the shape of our whole globe and society, among these John von Neumann,
who shown the first steps to form the whole COMPUTER world, Wigner,
Szilard, Teller and many more of physics, Karman of aerodynamics
and lots of other names in all areas of science and culture.
(Pathetysm off.)
There are other reasons too, but these are the usual ones of all
the soc.culture.* hierarchy.
The official parts:
1) The purpose of the group is the usual purpose of the soc.culture.*
groups.
2) The language of discussions is English with all its dialects (as mine).
For discussion in Hungarian there is a mail list in that language.
3) The proposed name of the group is soc.culture.magyar. The alternative
which is obviously soc.culture.hungarian was left away in the preliminary
discussion.
4) The group should be unmoderated.
5) The discussion period lasts until a consensus is reached (I would
like to end it before Eliot leaves, so the call for votes can be
issued before Jan. 18.)
A promise: there might be some regular postings (history, news extracts
and similars) in case of interest.
Reply to news.groups or by email to lba@kolvi.hut.fi
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Laszlo C. Balint (a Hungarian in Finland) lba@kolvi.hut.fi
Helsinki University of Technology, Communications Laboratory
Otakaari 5 A, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland; Tel.: +358 0 4512352 or 4512350
From lba@kolvi.hut.fi Mon Sep 27 10:28:03 1993
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From: lba@kolvi.hut.fi (Laszlo C. Balint)
Subject: CALL FOR VOTES: soc.culture.magyar
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Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 91 00:38:11 PST
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,soc.culture.misc
Keywords: posted
As the discussion seems to slow down and with exception of one posting
everyone seemed to agree with everything, here I post a
CALL FOR VOTES : soc.culture.magyar
(From the call for discussion:)
> 1) The purpose of the group is the usual of the soc.culture.*
> groups.
> 2) The language of discussions is English with all its dialects (as mine).
> For discussion in Hungarian there is a mail list in that language.
> 3) The proposed name of the group is soc.culture.magyar.
> 4) The group should be unmoderated.
The voting period is from the appearance of this message in
news.announce.newgroups until 10th of February. All votes dated
before or after should be considered invalid, according the guidelines.
Send votes to address:
lba@kolvi.hut.fi
The vote itself should be put in the body of the message in form:
I vote yes for soc.culture.magyar
or
I vote no for soc.culture.magyar
or something like this. (Be clear, no if-s.)
There will be mass acknowledgement after a while (in each 10 days) in
news.groups, I try to save our machine by not sending private ack-s.
Each person can vote only once and I ask you to take it seriously.
According to the guidelines, the group will be created, if the number
of yes votes is more, than 100+number of votes and 2/3rd of all votes
is yes.
What else? Vote!
Laszlo
lba@kolvi.hut.fi
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Laszlo C. Balint (a Hungarian in Finland) lba@kolvi.hut.fi
Helsinki University of Technology, Communications Laboratory
Otakaari 5 A, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland; Tel.: +358 0 4512352 or 4512350
From lba@kolvi.hut.fi Mon Sep 27 10:44:06 1993
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From: lba@kolvi.hut.fi (Laszlo C. Balint)
Subject: VOTE RESULT: soc.culture.magyar
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Summary: passes
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 11:38:01 PST
Keywords: posted
The group soc.culture.magyar passes the vote, with 164 "yes" votes
opposed to 36 "no"-s.
Here is the list of voters, sorted by mail address. I tried to remove double
votes, votes from the same persons with multiple accounts (mostly from yes
side). Hope, not too much left.
Reclamations are to be sent in five days, starting from appearance of this
message in news.announce.newgroups. After this period a newgroup message
will be sent. (It was not in English, sorry :-))
Thanks for everyone, voting.
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List of names, voting "yes" (starting with then, unpolitely):
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1 abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
2 acbhour@cc.ruu.nl (Rudi van Houten)
3 agu@uwasa.fi (Angappa Gunasekaran)
4 alan@essex.ac.uk (Stanier A)
5 alzabo!andras@cognos.uucp (Andras Kovacs)
6 alzabo!kebera@cognos.uucp (Krishna E. Bera)
7 anni@otax.tky.hut.fi (Anni Simola)
8 anton@chinet.chi.il.us (Borowiec Andrzej)
9 aronatas@UCSD.EDU (Akos Rona-Tas)
10 asi@kolvi.hut.fi (Antti Simola)
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11 asim@xlnvax.novell.com (Asim Mehta)
12 askinc!vic@uunet.UU.NET (Victor S. Rethy)
13 attila@breeze.bellcore.com (Leslie A. Walko)
14 autodesk!megalon!abeals@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Only 345 more shopping days
until Christmas)
15 balajiv@hadar.fai.com (Consultant Balaji Venkateswaran)
16 BASTIDA%ACC.FAU.EDU@FINHUT.HUT.FI
17 bela@videoton.hu (Vizy Bela)
18 BLUMSTOX%SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA@FINHUT.HUT.FI
19 bnh@wiis.wang.com (Bill Halchin)
20 chesler@netrix.nac.dec.com (David Chesler)
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21 chrisr@helios.TN.CORNELL.EDU
22 christin@sensors.njit.edu (Christine Mourad)
23 COM279M@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (G O)
24 conib@gvgpvd.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten)
25 cyaa01@mixcom.COM (Chris Klausmeier)
26 d87-mri@nada.kth.se
27 danj1@ihlpa.att.com (Daniel Jacobson)
28 david@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (David J Sherman)
29 davis@ilog.ilog.fr
30 defee@tut.fi (Irek Defee)
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31 delatizk@BBN.COM
32 dmm@cs.purdue.edu (Deepak Mulchandani)
33 dogdu@alpha.ces.cwru.edu (Erdogan Dogdu)
34 doog@travis.ssd.csd.harris.com (Doug Scofield)
35 DROZDY%VTTTEL@router.funet.fi (Gyozo DROZDY Phone:358(0)4566520)
36 durga@sensors.njit.edu (Durga Mikkilineni)
37 eal@tut.fi (Lehtim{ki Erkki)
38 ean@gvlv3.GVL.Unisys.COM (Ed Naratil)
39 ebhontz@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
40 elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
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41 emery@cs.utexas.edu (Emery Berger)
42 emwq@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (erik winfree)
43 fan@lsgvmb.iinus1.ibm.com (Frank A. Nemec, Jr. W6NJR)
44 FEKETE%BCVMS.BITNET@FINHUT.HUT.FI
45 ferenc%vttydi@router.funet.fi
46 FSSUE@MARS.LERC.NASA.GOV
47 futo@cih.hcuge.ch (Futo Endre)
48 FYS-LL@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Liszkay Laszlo)
49 gaspar@urz.unibas.ch (ladislav gaspar)
50 gdk@thumper.bellcore.com (Gabor Kiss)
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51 giua@ecse.rpi.edu (Alessandro Giua)
52 greg@garnet.berkeley.edu (Greg Kuperberg)
53 harnad@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Stevan Harnad)
54 hatsagi@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Zsolt Hatsagi)
55 hellmond@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Peter H. Hellmonds)
56 hermann@loria.crin.fr (Miki HERMANN)
57 hetyei@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
58 HIDAS%CERNVM@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Pal Hidas)
59 hollosi%helios.UCSC.EDU@ucscc.ucsc.edu (Joseph Hollosi)
60 horke@buchonia.rhoen.in-berlin.de (Bernhard Kroenung)
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61 horvath@granite.cr.bull.com (John Horvath)
62 iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ivan Derzhanski)
63 icking@gmdzi.uucp (Werner Icking)
64 icsg0006@cs.montana.edu
65 islammr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mustafa Islam)
66 ivan@cwi.nl
67 jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
68 jamess@misg.csd.HARRIS.COM (James E. P. Saari)
69 jeffd@ficc.ferranti.com (jeff daiell)
70 jimm@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Jim Michael)
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71 jnt@ccsitn.att.com
72 JSKIMMEL%UTAHCCA.BITNET@FINHUT.HUT.FI
73 jt@Princeton.EDU (Jeno Torocsik)
74 k30119e@taltta.hut.fi (Jarmo Tapani Rouhiainen)
75 kadarl@ecf.toronto.edu (Ladislaw-Istvan KADAR)
76 KHURSHID@ducvax.auburn.edu
77 kish@jove.rutgers.edu
78 kiss@gamma.bellcore.com (Frank Kiss)
79 kosa@cs.unc.edu (Martha Kosa)
80 ladanyi@cs.cornell.edu (La'szlo' Lada'nyi)
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81 laurent@archi.imag.fr (Jacques LAURENT)
82 leandro@ac.upc.es (Leandro Navarro)
83 levay@stsci.edu (Zoltan Levay)
84 lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard)
85 linga@sensors.njit.edu (Krishna Linga)
86 logo@caen.engin.umich.edu (Janos Logo)
87 longc@shark.cs.fau.edu (Courtney Long)
88 m33745b@saha.hut.fi (Ari-Jussi Heikkinen)
89 mad-2%KUB.NL@FINHUT.HUT.FI
90 maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray)
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91 maija@tut.fi (Solanti Maija)
92 MARIOS@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
93 mark@phys.unibas.ch (Geza Mark)
94 marn@seas.ucla.edu (Jure Marn/)
95 maryl@swampthing.sbi.com (Mary Fruhstuck)
96 mcgp1!jgo@uunet.UU.NET (John Opalko)
97 md33+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marek J. Druzdzel)
98 md87-mpe@nada.kth.se
99 melissa@gargoyle.uchicago.edu
100 mnu@inel.gov (Rick Morneau)
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101 molnar@utcs.utoronto.ca (Tom Molnar)
102 murphyc@cgrb.orst.edu (Chris Murphy -- )
103 nand@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
104 NU123201@VM1.NoDak.EDU
105 Olavi.Rasanen@jyu.fi (Olavi Rasanen)
106 orosze@gershwin.CS.ColoState.Edu (Ed Orosz)
107 P.Galbavy@micromuse.co.uk
108 partain@cs.utk.edu
109 paul@sensors.njit.edu (Paul Michael Gelencser)
110 paulo@brc.ubc.ca (Paul Orban)
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111 peter@kemist.uu.se
112 peterf@audi.ece.cmu.edu (Peter Feldmann)
113 petermc@portia.stanford.edu (Peter McCorquodale)
114 petr@pub1.stat.purdue.edu (peter mueller)
115 phypawl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jerzy Pawlowski)
116 piet@cwi.nl (Piet Beertema)
117 pvoros@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Peter Voros)
118 qazi@nevada.edu
119 QMKELL%LSUVM@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Kelle Peter)
120 rcharman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Robert Craig Harman)
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121 rdc401@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (CDR Peter Kent)
122 regnery@wpi.wpi.edu (George Regnery)
123 rimvallm@ra.crd.ge.com (Magnus Rimvall)
124 ROBOZ%SPRLC.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU
125 ronnie@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Jason D. Maloney)
126 rudolf@curano.acadch.com (Rudolf Kuenzli)
127 s243ab@stat.Berkeley.EDU (Camille Kayruzian)
128 SCHEUER%DHDIBM1@FINHUT.HUT.FI
129 sequent!crg5!szabo@cse.ogi.edu (Nick Szabo)
130 shadow@wpi.wpi.edu (David R Cote)
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131 shmulevi@tut.fi (Ilya Shmulevich)
132 SIEGFRIED_R%SPCVXA.BITNET@FINHUT.HUT.FI
133 sjaak@cca.vu.nl (Jacques Schuurman)
134 sjmz@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Stefek Zaba)
135 SNEMETH@SUNRISE.ACS.SYR.EDU
136 SORGER%FRMAP711@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Christoph Sorger)
137 spool@sensors.njit.edu (SPOOLER MAC)
138 stefan@sensors.njit.edu (Stefan)
139 subu@sensors.njit.edu (Ayyagari V. Subramanyam)
140 tamas@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Tamas Keresztes)
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141 TBEKE%PUCC@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Tibor Beke)
142 teexnma@ioe.lon.ac.uk (Nino Margetic)
143 teplovs@zoo.toronto.edu
144 theaker@raven.aaet.ti.com (Carl Theaker)
145 tibor%autro1.UUCP@nac.no (Tibor Stern jr.)
146 Tom.Gedeon@brunel.ac.uk (Tom D Gedeon)
147 tom@tdd.sj.nec.com (Thomas M. Raday)
148 TS0058%OHSTMVSA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU@FINHUT.HUT.FI (VICKIE STARBUCK)
149 twymer%cie.uoregon.edu@FINHUT.HUT.FI
150 UK7D%DKAUNI2.BITNET@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Roesti)
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151 VIGNESWA%umaecs@FINHUT.HUT.FI
152 voros%argon.Berkeley.EDU@lilac.berkeley.edu (Katalin Voros)
153 weisz@cis.ohio-state.edu (ivan weisz)
154 wizard@wpi.wpi.edu (Ajay Khanna)
155 xanadu!thelema!STella@uunet.UU.NET
156 yaz@tolsun.oulu.fi (Tuomas K. Kaikkonen)
157 yxw9246@hertz.njit.edu (ying wu ee)
158 zador@james.psych.yale.edu (Tony Zador)
159 zalan@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Zalan Bodo)
160 ZIEMOWIT@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
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161 zoltani@BRL.MIL (Csaba Zoltani (IBD))
162 zsofi@cs.vu.nl (Zsofia Ruttkay)
163 zxw4322@sensors.njit.edu (Zengjing Wu)
164 myself
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List of names, voting "no":
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1 annn@robots.oxford.ac.uk (Ann Nicholson)
2 becker@cs.rochester.edu (Tim Becker)
3 bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman)
4 bruce@Broadcast.Sony.COM (Bruce Lilly)
5 CCWENKER%CNEDCU51.bitnet@relay.EU.net (Laurent Wenker)
6 cdr@brahms.AMD.COM (Carl Rigney)
7 charleen@ads.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner)
8 csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl S. Gutekunst)
9 ctuel@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Cliff Tuel)
10 david@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (David Robinson)
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11 dewey@execu.com (Dewey Henize)
12 dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
13 fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
14 garyt@ios.Convergent.COM (Gary Tse)
15 heksterb@apple.com (Ben Hekster)
16 hoey@etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey)
17 ianr@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian ROWLANDS)
18 jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
19 jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard)
20 jnoh@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jay W. Noh)
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21 K279371%PAVO.CONCORDIA.CA@FINHUT.HUT.FI (Paul Martineau)
22 ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
23 manson@cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Manson)
24 mark@photon.MIT.EDU (Mark Spector)
25 merlin@postoffice.smu.edu (David Hayes)
26 palmer@hsi86.hsi.com (Mike Palmer)
27 peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Leonard Peirce)
28 pjd@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer)
29 raymond@math.berkeley.edu (Raymond Chen)
30 rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
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31 roche@cs.rochester.edu (Jim Roche)
32 stu@valinor.UUCP (Stuart L Labovitz)
33 supple@ecn.purdue.edu (Murray R Supple)
34 timv@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson)
35 wambold@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Sandy Wambold)
36 wolves.uucp!ggw@mcnc.org (Gregory G. Woodbury)
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Laca
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Laszlo C Balint (a Magyar (= Hungarian) in Finland) lba@kolvi.hut.fi
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From fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu Wed Mar 8 21:58:25 1995
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From: fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.europe
Subject: RFD: soc.culture.hungarian renamed from soc.culture.magyar
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Date: 8 Mar 1995 17:58:07 -0500
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Formal call for discussion
==========================
Newsgroup : soc.culture.hungarian
Status : unmoderated
Distribution : worldwide
Summary : The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture.
Proponent : Zoli Fekete <fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu>
This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an
unmoderated newsgroup, soc.culture.hungarian
This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for
Newsgroup Creation. It is being posted to the following relevant
newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.magyar, soc.culture.europe
The RFD and CFV may be posted to related mailing lists. Discussion will
take place in news.groups only (as required by the group creation
guidelines). Please post follow-ups to news.groups only.
The discussion period will last for 3 to 4 weeks from today.
This is the first call for discussion on the creation of the newsgroup
soc.culture.hungarian. Since there has been some discontent during the
preliminary discussion in the group s.c.magyar as to whether that should
be renamed or a separate new group be created, I leave this option open
till the second RFD.
Rationale: there is obviously great need for a newsgroup dealing with
the issues outlined below in the chapter, and soc.culture.magyar has been
such. The past four years saw surprisingly small audience with low
traffic for that group, which suggests that many people are unaware of
its existence. In the view of this proposer, it is necessary to create
the newsgroup with an English name conforming to the established Usenet
conventions: soc.culture.hungarian.
I think it would be preferable for this group to supersede the existing
s.c.magyar rather than to have both. There is, however, some strong
sentiment for keeping the established group as well, so the issue has to
be worked out during this discussion. The decision to be put up for vote
will be included in a finished RFD I plan to post in about ten days.
During this time I continue conducting a straw poll on the renaming -
please email me your unambiguous choice to be included in that tally!
Suggested charter:
The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium for
those interested to express, share, and exchange their views, ideas,
and feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions concerning
Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would be discussed.
Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary
- culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography;
- societies, traditions, customs;
- literature, poetry, art, folklore;
- languages, books;
- science, technology;
- food, cookery;
- local events, news, - communities abroad, problems, needs; and
- other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups.
The group shall be unmoderated.
Postings may be in either English or Hungarian, but posters should bear
in mind, regardless of which language they post, that some readers may
not be able to read/translate your postings. While most Hungarian
Usenetters understand also English (maybe not as well), Hungarian
writers are encouraged to use their native tongue when the topic is
likely to concern Hungarians only (such as questions regarding local
communities or things like ethnic cuisine). It is recommended that
authors of substantially long contributions include a short summary in
the other language, if they can.
===
This RFD complies with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines set in
"How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please refer to this document
if you have questions about the process. The files can be found at
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/creating-newsgroups/.
--
Zoli fekete@bc.edu, finger magyar@world.std.com for the charter of s.c.h
* Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
* form of politics, because the stakes are so low." He didn't know
* Usenet: welcome to the next level. (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
From fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu Fri Mar 17 23:06:30 1995
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From: fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq)
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Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.hungarian renamed from soc.culture.magyar
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Second Request for Discussion (RFD)
=============================
The basic change here from the first RFD is that now the definitive
choice is made for renaming s.c.m (as most who spoke agreed
that this option is better), rather than keeping it together with the
one to be created . Notice that this form is likely to go into the CFV,
unless there is significant support that shows up for the alternative
during the remaing RFD period! Please everyone be reminded that the
proposal won't be allowed to change once the votes are called for.
Newsgroup: soc.culture.hungarian
Status: unmoderated
Distribution: worldwide
Summary: The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture.
Proponent: Zoli Fekete <fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu>
This is the second, modified formal Request for Discussion on the
creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, soc.culture.hungarian
This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for
Newsgroup Creation. It is being posted to the following relevant
newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
soc.culture.magyar, soc.culture.europe,
alt.politics.europe.misc,alt.politics.ec
The RFD (and the Call for Votes) may be posted to related mailing
lists. Discussion will take place in news.groups only (as required by
the group creation guidelines). Please post follow-ups to news.groups
only. The CFV is due to appear after 3 to 4 weeks from Mar 8,
the date the first RFD appeared. Do not vote now! Now is not the time
for voting. Now is the time for discussion.
The basic change here from the first RFD is that now the definitive
choice is made for renaming s.c.m (as most who spoke agreed
that this option is better), rather than keeping it together with the
one to be created . Notice that this form is likely to go into the CFV,
unless there is significant support that shows up for the alternative
during the remaing RFD period! Please everyone be reminded that the
proposal won't be allowed to change once the votes are called for.
Rationale: currently no Usenet newsgroup bears 'hungarian' in its name.
This omission makes it difficult to locate the newsgroup dealing with
such interests (the bit.listserv.hungary gatewayed group is not in the
main hierarchies, and suffers from very poor propagation). There is
obviously a great need for a newsgroup dealing with the issues outlined
below in the charter, and soc.culture.magyar has been such for the past
four years. The name of that group, however, does not conform to the
established Usenet conventions; it is also somewhat misleading, given
that its traffic is mostly in English, contrary to what the native
language name may suggest. Experience has shown relatively small
audience, few authors and low traffic for that group. This suggests
that many people are unaware of its existence - indeed there is
anecdotal evidence for many persons, even Hungarian speakers, missing
s.c.m because of its irregular name. It appears that only perhaps a few
hundred users are reading the newsgroup - to be compared with the
several thousand subscribers to the Hungarian email lists (which, in
turn, serve still only a small portion of Hungarians worldwide).
In the view of the proponent, it is necessary to create a newsgroup
with an English name: soc.culture.hungarian. The standardized name
should help more patrons locate the group, furthering its goal to
provide a global link for all people interested in Hungarian affairs.
The creation of the new group would also enable us to write a new
charter, thus to eliminate the restriction imposed in the s.c.magyar
charter for English only discussion language.
I suggest that the existing s.c.m should be superseded by the new
group. Not keeping the former would prevent the confusion of having
two similar groups with different names. To indicate if there is any
support for the alternative of creating s.c.h without the renaming of
s.c.m I continue conducting a straw poll - please email me your
unambiguous choice to be included in that tally!
Suggested charter:
The proposed newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium
for those interested to express, share, and exchange their views,
ideas, and feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions
concerning Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would
be discussed.
Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary
- culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography;
- societies, traditions, customs;
- literature, poetry, art, folklore;
- languages, books;
- science, technology;
- food, cooking;
- local events, news, programs, economy;
- communities abroad, problems, needs; and
- other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups,
in particular, politics is an appropriate topic.
The group shall be unmoderated.
The language used is either English or Hungarian, by the choice of
the poster. Posters should bear in mind that using English makes their
writing accessible to non-Hungarians as well as most Hungarian
Usenetters, who tend to understand (or at least able to read) English.
Hungarian writers are encouraged to use their native tongue when
the topic is likely to be of interest to Hungarian speakers only (such
as questions regarding local communities or things of domestic
significance). It is recommended that authors of substantially long
contributions include a short summary in the other language, if they
can. Keep in mind that using Hungarian will unavoidably cut almost
all non-Hungarians out of the discussion! On the other hand, this
ought not to prevent having threads running in Hungarian, if there is
interest for such. Many newsreaders can utilize "Summary:" or
"Keywords:" field designations to aid readers in selecting articles
prior to reading them, this could be used to indicate the language used
in the article. Generally it is a good idea to use "Subject:" titles in
the language corresponding to the rest of the post, too! Note that
articles are often crossposted to other groups as well (usually ones
concerning neighboring countries), in which case English should be used.
===
This RFD complies with Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines set in
"How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup". Please refer to this document
if you have questions about the process. The files can be found at
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/creating-newsgroups/.
--
Zoli fekete@bc.edu, finger magyar@world.std.com for the charter of s.c.h
# Wallace Sayre said, "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter
# form of politics, because the stakes are so low." He didn't know
# Usenet: welcome to the next level. (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
From warren@Syra.NET Mon May 1 18:23:32 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: warren@Syra.NET (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.europe.misc,alt.politics.ec
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.hungarian
Followup-To: poster
Date: 1 May 1995 16:16:33 -0400
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 136
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Expires: 23 May 1995 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <soc.culture.hungarian-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
References: <3jlcpv$4u3@rodan.UU.NET><3kdl6o$623@rodan.UU.NET>
Reply-To: voting@Syra.NET
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Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6727 news.groups:147057 soc.culture.magyar:11665 soc.culture.europe:42893 alt.politics.europe.misc:1872 alt.politics.ec:5449
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.hungarian The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <warren@Syra.NET>. For
questions about the proposed group contact Zoli Fekete
<fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu>.
DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross-posted to:
soc.culture.magyar
soc.culture.europe
alt.politics.europe.misc
alt.politics.ec
and EMailed to:
HUNGARY@gwuvm.gwu.edu
TIPP@hix.com
Hungary-Online-announce@hungary.yak.net
CHARTER
The newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium for those
interested to express, share, and exchange their views, ideas, and
feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions concerning
Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would be discussed.
Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary
- culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography;
- societies, traditions, customs;
- literature, poetry, art, folklore;
- languages, books;
- science, technology;
- food, cooking;
- local events, news, programs, economy;
- communities abroad, problems, needs; and
- other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups,
in particular, politics is an appropriate topic.
The group shall be unmoderated.
The language used is either English or Hungarian, by the choice of
the poster. Posters should bear in mind that using English makes
their writing accessible to non-Hungarians as well as most Hungarian
Usenetters, who tend to understand (or are, at least, able to read)
English. Hungarian writers are encouraged to use their native tongue
when the topic is likely to be of interest to Hungarian speakers only
(such as questions regarding local communities or things of domestic
significance). It is recommended that authors of substantially long
contributions include a short summary in the other language, if they
can. Keep in mind that using Hungarian will unavoidably cut almost all
non-Hungarians out of the discussion! On the other hand, this ought not
to prevent having threads running in Hungarian, if there is interest
for such. Many newsreaders can utilize "Summary:" or "Keywords:" field
designations to aid readers in selecting articles prior to reading
them, this could be used to indicate the language used in the article.
Generally it is a good idea to use "Subject:" titles in the language
corresponding to the rest of the post, too! Note that articles are often
crossposted to other groups as well (usually ones concerning neighboring
countries), in which case English should be used.
RATIONALE
Currently no Usenet newsgroup bears 'hungarian' in its name.
This omission makes it difficult to locate the newsgroup dealing with
such interests (the bit.listserv.hungary gatewayed group is not in the
main hierarchies, and suffers from very poor propagation). There is
obviously a great need for a newsgroup dealing with the issues outlined
above in the charter, and soc.culture.magyar has been such for the past
four years. The name of that group, however, does not conform to the
established Usenet conventions; it is also somewhat misleading, given
that its traffic is mostly in English, contrary to what the native
language name may suggest. Experience has shown relatively small
audience, few authors and low traffic for that group. This suggests
that many people are unaware of its existence - indeed there is
anecdotal evidence for many persons, even Hungarian speakers, missing
s.c.m because of its irregular name. It appears that only perhaps a few
hundred users are reading the newsgroup - to be compared with the
several thousand subscribers to the Hungarian email lists (which, in
turn, serve still only a small portion of Hungarians worldwide).
In the view of the proponent, it is necessary to create a newsgroup
with an English name: soc.culture.hungarian. The standardized name
should help more patrons locate the group, furthering its goal to
provide a global link for all people interested in Hungarian affairs.
The creation of the new group would also enable us to write a new
charter, thus to eliminate the restriction imposed in the s.c.magyar
charter for English only discussion language.
I suggest that the existing s.c.m should be superseded by the new
group. Not keeping the former would prevent the confusion of having
two similar groups with different names. The option of one single group
was preferred by the majority of participants in the debate prior the
CFV.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
I vote YES on soc.culture.hungarian
I vote NO on soc.culture.hungarian
I vote ABSTAIN on soc.culture.hungarian
I CANCEL my vote on soc.culture.hungarian
Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.
The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.
There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.
From warren@syra.net Sat May 13 00:09:43 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.europe.misc,alt.politics.ec
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)
Supersedes: <soc.culture.hungarian-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 12 May 1995 16:00:26 -0400
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 136
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Expires: 23 May 1995 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <soc.culture.hungarian-CFV2@uunet.uu.net>
References: <3jlcpv$4u3@rodan.UU.NET> <3kdl6o$623@rodan.UU.NET> <soc.culture.hungarian-CFV1@uunet.uu.net>
Reply-To: voting@syra.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6821 news.groups:149095 soc.culture.magyar:12221 soc.culture.europe:43579 alt.politics.europe.misc:1993 alt.politics.ec:5622
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.hungarian The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 22 May 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <warren@Syra.NET>. For
questions about the proposed group contact Zoli Fekete
<fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu>.
DISTRIBUTION
This CFV has been cross-posted to:
soc.culture.magyar
soc.culture.europe
alt.politics.europe.misc
alt.politics.ec
and EMailed to:
HUNGARY@gwuvm.gwu.edu
TIPP@hix.com
Hungary-Online-announce@hungary.yak.net
CHARTER
The newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium for those
interested to express, share, and exchange their views, ideas, and
feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions concerning
Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would be discussed.
Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary
- culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography;
- societies, traditions, customs;
- literature, poetry, art, folklore;
- languages, books;
- science, technology;
- food, cooking;
- local events, news, programs, economy;
- communities abroad, problems, needs; and
- other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups,
in particular, politics is an appropriate topic.
The group shall be unmoderated.
The language used is either English or Hungarian, by the choice of
the poster. Posters should bear in mind that using English makes
their writing accessible to non-Hungarians as well as most Hungarian
Usenetters, who tend to understand (or are, at least, able to read)
English. Hungarian writers are encouraged to use their native tongue
when the topic is likely to be of interest to Hungarian speakers only
(such as questions regarding local communities or things of domestic
significance). It is recommended that authors of substantially long
contributions include a short summary in the other language, if they
can. Keep in mind that using Hungarian will unavoidably cut almost all
non-Hungarians out of the discussion! On the other hand, this ought not
to prevent having threads running in Hungarian, if there is interest
for such. Many newsreaders can utilize "Summary:" or "Keywords:" field
designations to aid readers in selecting articles prior to reading
them, this could be used to indicate the language used in the article.
Generally it is a good idea to use "Subject:" titles in the language
corresponding to the rest of the post, too! Note that articles are often
crossposted to other groups as well (usually ones concerning neighboring
countries), in which case English should be used.
RATIONALE
Currently no Usenet newsgroup bears 'hungarian' in its name.
This omission makes it difficult to locate the newsgroup dealing with
such interests (the bit.listserv.hungary gatewayed group is not in the
main hierarchies, and suffers from very poor propagation). There is
obviously a great need for a newsgroup dealing with the issues outlined
above in the charter, and soc.culture.magyar has been such for the past
four years. The name of that group, however, does not conform to the
established Usenet conventions; it is also somewhat misleading, given
that its traffic is mostly in English, contrary to what the native
language name may suggest. Experience has shown relatively small
audience, few authors and low traffic for that group. This suggests
that many people are unaware of its existence - indeed there is
anecdotal evidence for many persons, even Hungarian speakers, missing
s.c.m because of its irregular name. It appears that only perhaps a few
hundred users are reading the newsgroup - to be compared with the
several thousand subscribers to the Hungarian email lists (which, in
turn, serve still only a small portion of Hungarians worldwide).
In the view of the proponent, it is necessary to create a newsgroup
with an English name: soc.culture.hungarian. The standardized name
should help more patrons locate the group, furthering its goal to
provide a global link for all people interested in Hungarian affairs.
The creation of the new group would also enable us to write a new
charter, thus to eliminate the restriction imposed in the s.c.magyar
charter for English only discussion language.
I suggest that the existing s.c.m should be superseded by the new
group. Not keeping the former would prevent the confusion of having
two similar groups with different names. The option of one single group
was preferred by the majority of participants in the debate prior the
CFV.
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: voting@Syra.NET
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.
Your mail message should contain *one* and only one of the following
statements. DO NOT QUOTE THIS CFV IN YOUR VOTE.
I vote YES on soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)
I vote NO on soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)
I vote ABSTAIN on soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar)
I CANCEL my vote on soc.culture.hungarian
Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve
only to cancel any previous vote. Abstentions are noted in the final
vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely.
(This is the only difference between the two.)
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.
If you later change your mind you may vote again; only your last valid
vote will count.
Standard Guidelines for voting apply: no more than one vote per person,
no more than one vote per account. If you attempt multiple votes or
other vote fraud, all your votes may be canceled and your name published.
The complete vote list will be posted with the vote result, including
how each person voted. Note that Usenet votes are not done by secret
ballot.
There will then be a five-day period during which the published vote
list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The
requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes,
and 2/3 of all counted votes being YES.
From warren@syra.net Thu May 25 18:48:31 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: warren@syra.net (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.magyar,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.europe.misc,alt.politics.ec
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.hungarian fails 157:91
Supersedes: <soc.culture.hungarian-CFV2@uunet.uu.net>
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 23 May 1995 16:27:53 -0400
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Lines: 340
Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net
Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <soc.culture.hungarian-RESULT@uunet.uu.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6907 news.groups:150973 soc.culture.magyar:12654 soc.culture.europe:44123 alt.politics.europe.misc:2129 alt.politics.ec:5930
RESULT
unmoderated group soc.culture.hungarian fails 157:91
There were 157 YES votes and 91 NO votes, for a total of 248 valid votes.
There were 6 abstains and 4 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.hungarian The Hungarian (Magyar) people & their culture.
This vote was being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact Warren Lavallee <warren@Syra.NET>. For questions
about the proposed group contact Zoli Fekete <fekete@bcuxs2.bc.edu>.
CHARTER
The newsgroup is intended to provide a general medium for those
interested to express, share, and exchange their views, ideas, and
feelings about Hungary and Hungarian culture. Questions concerning
Hungarians living either in the country or abroad would be discussed.
Possible discussion issues include aspects of Hungary
- culture, history, philosophy, ideology, geography;
- societies, traditions, customs;
- literature, poetry, art, folklore;
- languages, books;
- science, technology;
- food, cooking;
- local events, news, programs, economy;
- communities abroad, problems, needs; and
- other things normally discussed in the "soc.culture" newsgroups,
in particular, politics is an appropriate topic.
The group shall be unmoderated.
The language used is either English or Hungarian, by the choice of
the poster. Posters should bear in mind that using English makes
their writing accessible to non-Hungarians as well as most Hungarian
Usenetters, who tend to understand (or are, at least, able to read)
English. Hungarian writers are encouraged to use their native tongue
when the topic is likely to be of interest to Hungarian speakers only
(such as questions regarding local communities or things of domestic
significance). It is recommended that authors of substantially long
contributions include a short summary in the other language, if they
can. Keep in mind that using Hungarian will unavoidably cut almost all
non-Hungarians out of the discussion! On the other hand, this ought not
to prevent having threads running in Hungarian, if there is interest
for such. Many newsreaders can utilize "Summary:" or "Keywords:" field
designations to aid readers in selecting articles prior to reading
them, this could be used to indicate the language used in the article.
Generally it is a good idea to use "Subject:" titles in the language
corresponding to the rest of the post, too! Note that articles are often
crossposted to other groups as well (usually ones concerning neighboring
countries), in which case English should be used.
[This collection of addresses is (C)1995 by Consultix Computer Services.
Permission is strictly NOT given to use this list or any part thereof to
make a mailing list, or for mass-mailings. Any other use is fine.]
soc.culture.hungarian (replaces soc.culture.magyar) Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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100210.1512@compuserve.com Baranyi Lajos
70703.1175@compuserve.com Tamas Lassu
a-aszodi@serine.nimr.mrc.ac.uk Andras Aszodi
abpalota@MIT.EDU Arpad B. Palotas
acharry@metz.une.edu.au MR A CHARRY
ADAMO@mm.bme.hu Kovacs, Adam
adm@crl.com Alan Miller
akos@math.ohio-state.edu Akos Seress
andrei@leland.Stanford.EDU Andrei Dan Popovici
Antoni.B@StudBox.Uni-Stuttgart.DE Anton Berishaj
antonyg@planet.mh.dpi.qld.gov.au
arielle@bonkers.taronga.com Stephanie da Silva
arss@infodirect.com
bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu Ed Bailey
BARTLETT@macc.wisc.edu msb
bayerle@indiana.edu bayerle
bazsi@ludens.elte.hu
bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
blazar@nova.umuc.edu Boglarka Lazar
bnle@loki.cc.pdx.edu Louis Elteto
bokor@a1bis1.bis7.bro.MTS.dec.com Karoly BOKOR
bruner@ind.eunet.hu Rick Bruner
BUBBAMIKE@delphi.com Bubbamike
cbstone@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Christopher B. Stone
chesser@isgtec.com Tom Chesser
csejtey@idt.unit.no
dan.r@ix.netcom.com Dan Rothschild
danube@gandalf.rutgers.edu Amos Danube
danubius@halcyon.com
david6@netcom.com David #6
ddt@lsd.com ave Del Torto
detienne@ori.ucl.ac.be Claude DETIENNE
domolki@iqsoft.hu Domolki Balint
dosaa@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU Agnes Dosa
doug@netcom.com Doug Merritt
efarkas@emerald.tufts.edu Evelyn Farkas
eilles@rm2306.gud.siemens.co.at
ekaimke@eka.ericsson.se Imre Keri
ethara@duna.ericsson.se Attila Rozsa
eva@ilanet.slnsw.gov.au Eva Zsigri
EvaB459762@aol.com
falus@buphyk.bu.edu Peter Falus
FARKAS@SCSUD.CTSTATEU.EDU
fekete@bc.edu Zoli Fekete # vote for soc.culture.hungarian!
FERENCV@tiger.hsc.edu
findler@enuxsa.eas.asu.edu Nicholas V. Findler
fodea@fireant.ma.utexas.edu
fuy1@gl.umbc.edu Francis A Uy
g.levai@ix.netcom.com G.L.
Gabor.Paller@irisa.fr Gabor Paller
gabor@netmanage.co.il Gabor Szabo
gabor@sbei.com Gabor Fencsik
gaborm@ix.netcom.com Gabor Morocz
gacs@cs.bu.edu Peter Gacs
GAGYI_PALFFY@dipmza.physik.Uni-Mainz.DE Zoltan Gagyi-Palffy
garryc@pecnz.pec.co.nz
George.Olah@cc.monash.edu.au GEORGE OLAH
Guszti.Bartfai@Comp.VUW.AC.NZ Guszti Bartfai
gyuri@maurer.zpok.hu
h152973@proffa.cc.tut.fi Horvath Szabolcs
H8596Jak@ella.hu
h9498245@hkusub.hku.hk Lorenz Florian Ernst
harmanr@et.byu.edu Robert Craig Harman
hidas@dxcern.cern.ch Pal Hidas
intasas@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Surat Intasang
J.Goldberg@cranfield.ac.uk cc047
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU James Alexander Chokey
jgk@netcom.com Joe Keane
jim@duntone.demon.co.uk Jim Moody
jmaynard@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu Jay Maynard
jn@kanto.cc.jyu.fi Juha Olli Nissinen
jonboy@io.org Jonboy
JOSAITIS@macc.wisc.edu Cathleen A Josaitis
jpk@knoware.nl Jan Pieter Kunst
jrw@sauron.multiverse.com Judith R. Woodruff
jszabo@ids.net
jtoth@Princeton.EDU Gabor J.Toth
Karl.Brodowsky@urz.uni-heidelberg.de Karl Brodowsky
kisss@math.ohio-state.edu Sandor Kiss
KONCSIK@vsfys1.fi.uib.no Pal Koncsik
kornai@almaden.ibm.com Andras Kornai
krajnyak@MIT.EDU Kornelia Krajnyak
lala@interaccess.com Imre Olajos
lungu@korak.jpl.nasa.gov Teodor A. Lungu
Lutz.Donnerhacke@Jena.Thur.De Lutz Donnerhacke
manowar@Cadence.COM Krisztian Flautner
mapcky@uxmail.ust.hk PATRICK YIP
MERRILLD@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
micky.allen@ic.ac.uk
MKAINZ@macc.wisc.edu Mark Kainz
moss@bastille.cchem.berkeley.edu David Maurice
msi@ampex.com Marek Sieranski
NAGY@cmt.anl.gov Zoltan Nagy, Argonne National Laboratory
nemetha@liso.dnet.ge.com
netman@szem.szeg.matav.hu netman@szem.szeg.matav.hu
nick@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri
nmolnar@uoguelph.ca Nicole Molnar
nzam@MIT.EDU Noah Zamdmer
OGUOCHA@edison.usask.ca
ozgurs@ix.netcom.com Suphi OZGUR
papp@tpri6f.gsi.de Gabor Papp
paul@sensors.njit.edu paul
paulge@eden.rutgers.edu Paul Gelencser
pav@gco.apana.org.au Peter Varga
pdecker@lds.loral.com Philip Decker
perw@elixir.e.kth.se Per Westerlund
peterc@garnet.msen.com Peter Campbell
pf2@st-andrews.ac.uk Peter Foldiak
pgorog@mail724.gsfc.nasa.gov Gorog, Peter
PHIDAS@runt.dawsoncollege.qc.ca
pm10@central.napier.ac.uk Agnes Gulyas
radnait@cric.chemres.hu
radrayer@panix.com Rebecca Drayer
rcsiebel@vub.ac.be Roland Siebelink
rmsylte@uci.edu Ruth M. Sylte
roboz@sunserv.kfki.hu Roboz Andras 24-76
roth@sunny.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de Arnd Roth
rri0063@ibm.net
rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu Jeffrey Rufinus
S0824623@let.rug.nl F. Szilagyi
scscheer@evansville.net Steven C. Scheer
sean@mpi-sb.mpg.de Sean Matthews
sechaud@cnam.fr
sjsmith@cs.UMD.EDU Stephen Joseph Smith
soos@aladar.pmmf.hu Soos Zoltan
ssimon@trl.oz.au STEVEN SIMON
STEERSDD@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU Steersy
strick@yak.net strick at Jihad
student3@rugth7.th.rug.nl
szgyula@skysrv.Pha.Jhu.EDU Gyula Szokoly
szucsi@indigo2.vsz.bme.hu Szuecs Attila
s_iser@ira.uka.de Gabriel Iser
Tamas.K.Nagy@termo.unit.no
tamask@howler.sps.mot.com Tamas Kovacs
taplo@takefive.takefive.co.at Laszlo Juhasz
tbeke@math.mit.edu Tibor Beke
tegtmeie@panix.com John R. Tegtmeier
TeleHold@solar_system.galaxy.X
tenzil@io.com James Kiley
tgaal@macc.wisc.edu tamas
tgriffin@almaden.ibm.com Thomas D. Griffin
twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu Tim Pierce
T_Simon@ACAD.FANDM.EDU Tamas Simon
UGM3AA@SOUTH-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK A.AL-BANNA
VAMOSSY@delphi.com
vidos@ind.eunet.hu Vidos Tibor
VIKTOR@evt.bme.hu F. Viktor
Vizy_Bela@uts.hu
voros@argon.eecs.berkeley.edu Katalin Voros
WALTER@GAMMA.IS.TCU.EDU Norb the Hungarian
weisz@math.ohio-state.edu Ivan Weisz
WHDEB@aol.com
Z.Menyhart@frec.bull.fr Zoltan MENYHART
zalkae@rs3.szif.hu Zalka Erno
zeno@cs.elte.hu adam kepecs
zoltan@theory.caltech.edu Zoltan Ligeti
zsolt@dataware.hu Zsolt Habony - Software Developer
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76221.3644@compuserve.com Judy Bressler
a6804027@mcmail2.cis.McMaster.CA Leslie Sugar
abrodnik@daisy.uwaterloo.ca Andrej Brodnik (Andy)
af275@freenet.toronto.on.ca Barnabas Bozoki
akos@wam.umd.edu Monika Braxatoris
andbooks@ripco.com AND Books
archer@frmug.fr.net Vincent Archer
arpad@sunserv.kfki.hu Molnar Arpad 19-64
az994@freenet.carleton.ca Tamas Hamory
balaji@nexus.yorku.ca Balaji
banicz@hpl3sn03.cern.ch Karoly Banicz
barna@io.org Barna Bozoki
BJ5O@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA SAGHY
borszeky@tech.chem.ethz.ch Karoly Borszeky
bseebass@wawona.vmsmail.ethz.ch Bernhard Seebass
chanman@wam.umd.edu The Kurgan
Csaba.Meszavos@brunel.ac.uk Csaba Meszaros
DAVID@sb814f.physics.sunysb.edu
dc@panix.com David W. Crawford
delfin@balu.sch.bme.hu Racz Zoltan
distrib@ripco.com The Distributors
Edmund.Grimley-Evans@cl.cam.ac.uk
element@ripco.com Elemental Systems
ELFU485@srv0.law.ed.ac.uk Anndra Dubh bhon an Ear
emma@Kanpai.Stanford.EDU Emma Pease
fengl@seas.gwu.edu The Highlander
furax@Glue.umd.edu Keith Lee
garyf@seanet.com Gary Fadling
George.Lazar@Corp.Sun.COM George Lazar
gotthard@Glue.umd.edu Gotthard Saghi-Szabo
Helmut.Geyer@IWR.Uni-Heidelberg.De Helmut Geyer
hitech@primenet.com Barett McGavock
ivan@aurora.ece.ucsb.edu Ivan Radivojevic
junghans@ezrz1.vmsmail.ethz.ch
kecskes@osiris.elte.hu KECSKES ANDRAS
kim@shell.portal.com Kim DeVaughn
klassen@sol.UVic.CA Melvin Klassen
kocsis@ezrz1.vmsmail.ethz.ch Tamas Kocsis
koranyir@ix.netcom.com Rudolph Koranyi
kovacs@Glue.umd.edu Arpad F. Kovacs
lauras@wam.umd.edu Laura Anne Slaughter
magyar@cts.com SJM
marchi@job.saclay.cea.fr Massimo Marchi
mbonnaud@Dialup.FranceNet.fr Marc Bonnaud
mckinney@Glue.umd.edu Elizabeth McKinney
megyesi@math.utah.edu Gabor Megyesi
mehes@uicslth.csl.uiuc.edu Andras Mehes
mess@wam.umd.edu mary ellen slaughter
mikey@soton.ac.uk M.J.Ford
mmt@RedBrick.COM M Mike Taksar KC6ZPS
nan@crl.com Nandor Nodnak
nhorvat@chemical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Norbert Horvat
odor@math-inst.hu Tibor Odor
orc@gehenna.apple.com Orc
patelm@Glue.umd.edu Manish L. Patel
patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
pjones@Glue.umd.edu Peter Morley Jones
pluhar@inf.u-szeged.hu
pretsch@ezrz1.vmsmail.ethz.ch
ptbast@owl.WPI.EDU Pete Bastien
redly@pangea.usask.ca Pal Redly
rew@CrystalData.COM Ryan Waldron
rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rison@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk Mark RISON - Esperanto parolata
rn.7469@rose.com
roger@vmark.com Roger MacNicol
rsrodger@wam.umd.edu Robert Rodgers
russellsmith@cix.compulink.co.uk William Russell-smith
s4107ber@sun10.vsz.bme.hu Ninja
salata@ludens.elte.hu
sallay@verdon.imag.fr Balazs Sallay
sanjay@wam.umd.edu Sanjay Srivastava
saxmania@rci.ripco.com Sax Therapy
slengy@ecad04.calcomp.com Sandor Lengyel x5786
smarry@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
soucross@Glue.umd.edu Bradley R. Bebee
sszabo@datmuc.dat.de sszabo
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown
STAKAS@PHS.BGSM.WFU.EDU
sunfox@imonics.com Erik Williams - Imonics Development
swalsh@mirage.skypoint.com Steve Walsh
szamos@u.washington.edu Janos Szamosfalvi
Tamas.Gaal@inria.fr Tamas Gaal
tgm@netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams
timar@gis.elte.hu Gabor TIMAR
tony@hstn.tensor.pgs.com Tony Anderson
vraymond@oxygen.helios.nd.edu vincent raymond
wish@dumain.demon.co.uk Bill Hay
WP#123#BCS.BCS2S#c#TMOLNAR#125#@imf.org
z.bodnar@tech.chem.ethz.ch Zsolt Bodnar
zoltan@research.canon.oz.au Zoltan Kocsi
Abstained
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ads93@aber.ac.uk Adrian Shaw
crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com Kenneth P Crouch
huuskone@cc.helsinki.fi Taneli Huuskonen
otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu M. Otto
prinster@violet.berkeley.edu
ue191@freenet.victoria.bc.ca T.L. (Terry) Branscombe
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