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From: gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu (Graeme Williams)
Subject: CFD: soc.culture.new-zealand
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Keywords: New Zealand, Kiwi
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Z*******Z******* CFD: A New Zealand culture group *******Z*******Z
This is a call for a discussion regarding the creation of a new
newsgroup devoted to "New Zealand culture". Here is what I propose:
NAME: This will need to be decided on, several suggestions are:
soc.culture.newzealand
soc.culture.aoteoroa
soc.culture.kiwi
soc.culture.nz
MODERATION STATUS: The group would be unmoderated.
CHARTER:
The group will provide a forum for discussion of topics
related to New Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the enviroment, economics,
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi, or related to NZ.
Contributions and queries from people other than New Zealanders
will also be most welcome.
COMMENTS:
I have had rather a lot of positive feedback via email regarding
the creation of this group, some very enthusiastic. What I would
like to see now is some discussion on the net amongst the various
people interested. In particular we will need to decide on a name
for the group.
I have set the Followup-to: field to news.groups so all discussion
regarding this proposal should take place there.
So, if you're interested and don't subscribe to news.groups, SUBSCRIBE
to it NOW! I want to hear publicly from all you Kiwis (and others
interested) scattered few and far between all over the globe. Shake
off the traditional Kiwi apathy cos "she'll be right" won't work
here on the net. Get those fingers typing and tell us what you think.
Cheers,
Graeme Williams - a Kiwi in Canada
gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
From gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu Wed Apr 5 19:16:08 1995
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Subject: CFV: soc.culture.new-zealand
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*************** CALL FOR VOTES: soc.culture.new-zealand ***************
This is the first call for votes for creation of the newsgroup
soc.culture.new-zealand.
Please read all of this article carefully before you send your vote.
The proposed group is as follows:
NAME: soc.culture.new-zealand
MODERATION STATUS: Unmoderated
CHARTER:
The group will provide a forum for discussion of topics
related to New Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the enviroment, economics,
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from people other than New Zealanders
will also be most welcome.
VOTING PROCEDURE:
Send mail to me at: gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
Preferably your message should include one of the following lines:
I vote: YES soc.culture.new-zealand
I vote: NO soc.culture.new-zealand
I will accept other wording providing your vote is clear and
unambiguous and is for the group as proposed. Votes for or against
the group, but with a different name (Note: The name is hyphenated),
will not be counted.
The voting period will begin when this article appears and end at
12pm EST on Wednesday 10th April. In order for your vote to count
I must receive it during this period.
COMMENTS:
The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require
that the votetaker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that
the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast.
I will endeavour to post a mass acknowledgement of votes at least
once during the voting period.
Cheers,
Graeme Williams
gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
From gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu Wed Apr 5 19:32:45 1995
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From: Graeme Williams <gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu>
Subject: VOTE ACK: soc.culture.new-zealand
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As of 1pm EST Monday 25th March I had received *valid* votes from the
following people regarding the proposal to create soc.culture.new-zealand.
(I have also received a number of invalid votes).
Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz
abaker@UCSD.EDU
ACV@waikato.ac.nz (Alistair Veitch)
ado@elsie.nci.nih.gov (Arthur David Olson)
aighb@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk (Geoffrey Ballinger)
ajm@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
alan@essex.ac.uk (Stanier A)
ALKULA@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tapani Alkula)
Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz
annn@robots.oxford.ac.uk (Ann Nicholson)
anorris@theory.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Andrew Norris)
autodesk!melange!abeals@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Anything you don't mean ... )
BANERJ@EARTH.LERC.NASA.GOV
basho!john@cis.ohio-state.edu (John Lacey)
bbs@actrix.gen.nz (Mark Moir)
becker@cs.rochester.edu (Tim Becker)
Bill.Viggers@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Bill Viggers)
bmoore@dale.cts.com
bob@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman)
bradleyg@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Bradley Giesbrecht)
bruce-b@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
bryden@freezer.acs.udel.edu (Christopher Bryden)
byoung@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Brian Young)
C9038270@cc.newcastle.edu.au
caeaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Cory A Eaves)
cassell%kestrel@AUSTIN.LOCKHEED.COM (Keith Cassell)
CCLORETTA@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
CCTR123@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
CCTR128@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
cdr@brahms.AMD.COM (Carl Rigney)
cew@ISI.EDU (Craig E. Ward)
charleen@ads.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner)
chim@neutron.rutgers.edu
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Chris.Reynolds@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (Chris.Reynolds)
christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson)
cj_west@gould2.bristol-poly.ac.uk (clare west - csd prog x2338)
clear@cavebbs.gen.nz
clive@research.att.com
cockburn@system.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Conrad.Bullock@comp.vuw.ac.nz
csakany@math.rutgers.edu (Rita Csakany)
cybapunk@tornado.gen.nz (Phil Ross)
D.Burns@massey.ac.nz (David Burns)
dave@cogsci.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
david@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (David Robinson)
don@zl2tnm.gp.co.nz (Don Stokes)
dziuk@hsi86.hsi.com (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.)
emee36@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk
Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz
farrell@cs.uq.oz.au
finbarg@hpwaps.wal.hp.com (Finbar Gallagher)
finlayson.r@HyperMail.apple.com (Ross Finlayson)
gaarder@theory.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Steve Gaarder)
greenfie@math.rutgers.edu (Stephen J. Greenfield)
greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
grove@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Grove)
halcyon!ralphs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Ralph Sims)
hammaker@apple.com (Rebecca A. Hammaker)
hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu (k.a.hargie)
harichan@frith.egr.msu.edu
hazel@cstr.edinburgh.ac.uk (Hazel Sydeserff)
heiby@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby)
hosking%ibis@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking)
howard@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Howard Wong-Toi)
hullp@cogsci.berkeley.edu
IDIDDAMS%ESOC.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
jaseemud@evax.uta.edu (Muhammad Jaseemuddin)
jaymin%maths.tcd.ie@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (Jo Jaquinta)
jbj@frc.maf.govt.nz (Brian Jones)
jeanpaul@duteca2.et.tudelft.nl (J.P.M. van der Jagt)
jeff@sqa.dsg.ti.com (jeff abbott (TB02))
Jeremy.Gibbons@prg.oxford.ac.uk
jfalkner@watfun.waterloo.edu (Julie Falkner)
jiayang@stat.lsa.umich.edu (Jiayang Sun)
jjb@cs.wayne.edu (Jon J. Brewster)
jono@garnet.berkeley.edu
junikka%garfield.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu
jwb@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
jyoung@math.rutgers.edu (Jeff Young)
K.W.Sleeman@stl.stc.co.uk
kash1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
KATIE@brownvm.brown.edu (Katie M Livingston)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
kenney@hsi86.hsi.com (Brian Kenney)
L.C.Booth@stl.stc.co.uk
laura@techbook.com (Laura Gillespie)
lba@kolvi.hut.fi (Laszlo C. Balint)
leahy@math.rutgers.edu (Andrew Leahy)
lesley@cavebbs.gen.nz
lesley@wet (Lesley Cupitt)
llau1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
llexx@cs.ruu.nl (Lex Wolters)
losada@math.rutgers.edu (Maria Losada)
macphed@dvinci.usask.ca (Ian MacPhedran)
mac_ftp@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz
magier@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David Magier)
malcolm@icl.co.nz
manuel@space.ualberta.ca
MARIOS@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Mark.I.Williams@cc.uq.oz.au
mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz
mark@dosli.govt.nz (Mark Wright)
mark@hsi86.hsi.com (Mark Sicignano)
mark@motown.altair.fr
martinh@gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
MARX@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
maslen@math.harvard.edu (David Keith Maslen)
mbro3@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
Michael.Newbery@vuw.ac.nz (Michael Newbery)
Michael.Witbrock@CS.CMU.EDU
michael@astro.Princeton.EDU (Michael D. Woodhams)
microsoft!frankm@uunet.uu.net
MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (marshall vale)
MOSKO@MATAI.vuw.ac.nz (Dave Moskovitz)
msmith@mrc-crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
nac@deakin.OZ.AU
nancy@goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU
O.B.Schou@loughborough.ac.uk (OBSchou)
P.A.Addison@loughborough.ac.uk (P A Addison)
palmer@hsi86.hsi.com (Mike Palmer)
palmerp@MATH.ORST.EDU (Paul Palmer)
partain@cs.utk.edu
patrick@sideways.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
paul@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
pbickers@tamaluit.phys.uidaho.edu (Paul Bickerstaff)
penny@iliad.altair.fr
peter@ontmoh (Peter Renzland)
PHYS009@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Bryan Lawrence, Atmospheric Physics, Oxford)
raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael)
raymond@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz
rcharbon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
rcharman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Robert Craig Harman)
rdawson@ccs.carleton.ca (Ron Dawson)
reggie@ecn.purdue.edu (Reginald Wee Siang Tze)
RGTY_MRW@waikato.ac.nz (Mark R. Willcock, Registry Data Processing)
richard@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Richard Begg)
richardg@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
robert-s@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
roche@cs.rochester.edu (Jim Roche)
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk
rshapiro@arris.com (Richard Shapiro)
ruby@agora.rain.com (E. K. Cashman)
russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz
rvilmi@hila.hut.fi (Ruth Vilmi)
rwl2@midway.uchicago.edu (richard william lindstrom)
sai@tornado.gen.nz (Simon McAuliffe)
sarge@cs.uq.oz.au
sayers@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Craig Sayers)
sbeagle@kennels.actrix.gen.nz (Sleeping Beagle)
scott@ferrari.labs.tek.com (Scott Huddleston)
SEAN@brisvr.bartol.udel.edu (Sean Oughton)
shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
shmulevi@cs.tut.fi (Ilya Shmulevich)
simon@math.berkeley.edu
sjg@cvs.rochester.edu (Susan Galvin)
slear@megahz.intel.com
smith901@priest.cs.uidaho.edu (SMITH TREVOR THOMAS)
spatial.com!jms@gatech (Jim M. Sharpe)
spolsky-joel@CS.YALE.EDU (Joel Spolsky)
SRLNGMW@LHN.DSIR.GOVT.NZ (Gary Williams)
stephen@corp.telecom.co.nz (Richard Stephen)
steve@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Steve Cassidy)
stu@valinor (Stuart L Labovitz)
supple@ecn.purdue.edu (Murray R Supple)
surendon@math.rutgers.edu (Timothy Surendonk)
SWAIN@cc.Helsinki.FI
T.Stewart@massey.ac.nz (T.M. Stewart)
tallgren@math.rutgers.edu (Lasse Tallgren)
taniwha!paul@mtxinu.COM (Paul Campbell)
taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
tava@leland.stanford.edu
terry@cogsci.indiana.edu (terry jones)
tim@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca (Tim Pointing)
Timothy.Litton@comp.vuw.ac.nz
timv@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson)
torrie@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Evan James Torrie)
trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
V116JUGP@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (ACTUARY FROM HELL)
vapet!steve!steve@cs.umn.edu (Steven Strother)
wicat!jjm@hellgate.utah.edu (John J. Mendenhall)
wohler@sap-ag.de (Bill Wohler)
wolves!news@duke.cs.duke.edu (News Administrator @ Wolves)
xanadu!thelema!STella@uunet.uu.net
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Graeme Williams
gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
From gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu Wed Apr 5 19:32:56 1995
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From: Graeme Williams <gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu>
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.new-zealand
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This is the second call for votes for creation of the newsgroup
soc.culture.new-zealand.
Please read all of this article carefully before you send your vote.
The proposed group is as follows:
NAME: soc.culture.new-zealand
MODERATION STATUS: Unmoderated
CHARTER:
The group will provide a forum for discussion of topics
related to New Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the enviroment, economics,
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from people other than New Zealanders
will also be most welcome.
VOTING PROCEDURE:
Send mail to me at: gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
Preferably your message should include one of the following lines:
I vote: YES soc.culture.new-zealand
I vote: NO soc.culture.new-zealand
I will accept other wording providing your vote is clear and
unambiguous and is for the group as proposed. Votes for or against
the group, but with a different name (Note: The name is hyphenated),
will not be counted.
The voting period ends at 23:59 EST on Wednesday 10th April. In order
for your vote to count I must receive it before then.
COMMENTS:
The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require
that the votetaker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that
the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast.
--
Cheers,
Graeme Williams
gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
From gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu Mon Sep 11 16:15:30 1995
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Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.new-zealand passes 217: 27
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Status: RO
X-Status:
The voting period for soc.culture.new-zealand closed at the end of
Wed. 10th April.
244 valid votes were cast, 217 in favour and 27 against.
Votes in favour exceed those against by over 100 and also comprise more
than 2/3 of votes cast, so soc.culture.new-zealand passes.
Thanks to all the people who voted. Votes in favour of this group
originated from all over. In particular though considerable support
came from Australia (from both genuine Aussies and ex-pat Kiwis), England
and Finland.
Valid votes were received from the following:
VOTES AGAINST (27)
ado@elsie.nci.nih.gov (Arthur David Olson)
asb@wren.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Anthony Scott Botham)
basho!john@cis.ohio-state.edu (John Lacey)
becker@cs.rochester.edu (Tim Becker)
bob@omni.com (Bob Weissman)
cdr@brahms.AMD.COM (Carl Rigney)
charleen@ads.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner)
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
david@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (David Robinson)
dziuk@hsi86.hsi.com (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.)
heiby@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby)
hsu@shograf.com (Jeffrey Hsu)
jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
kenney@hsi86.hsi.com (Brian Kenney)
mark@hsi86.hsi.com (Mark Sicignano)
MARX@HUJIVMS.HUJI.AC.IL
palmer@hsi86.hsi.com (Mike Palmer)
peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Leonard Peirce)
rcharbon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rob@genrad.com (Robert S. Wood)
roche@cs.rochester.edu (Jim Roche)
shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Not Getting Any)
supple@ecn.purdue.edu (Murray R Supple)
timv@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson)
wolves!news@duke.cs.duke.edu (News Administrator @ Wolves)
VOTES IN FAVOUR (217)
Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz
ab2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Antoine Paul Brusseau)
abaker@UCSD.EDU
ACV@waikato.ac.nz (Alistair Veitch)
aighb@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk (Geoffrey Ballinger)
ajm@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
alan@essex.ac.uk (Stanier A)
ALKULA@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tapani Alkula)
Allister.Gorman@vuw.ac.nz (Allister J. Gorman)
Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz
annn@robots.oxford.ac.uk (Ann Nicholson)
anorris@theory.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Andrew Norris)
autodesk!melange!abeals@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Anything you don't mean ... )
BANERJ@EARTH.LERC.NASA.GOV
bbs@actrix.gen.nz (Mark Moir)
bfu@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Bill.Viggers@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Bill Viggers)
bmoore@dale.cts.com
bob@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
bradleyg@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Bradley Giesbrecht)
bruce-b@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
bryden@freezer.acs.udel.edu (Christopher Bryden)
byoung@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Brian Young)
C9038270@cc.newcastle.edu.au
caeaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Cory A Eaves)
case@freja.diku.dk (Steven Snedker)
cassell%kestrel@AUSTIN.LOCKHEED.COM (Keith Cassell)
cath@cs.cornell.edu (Cate Richardson)
cc@lfcs.edinburgh.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
CCLORETTA@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
CCTR123@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
CCTR128@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
cew@ISI.EDU (Craig E. Ward)
chim@neutron.rutgers.edu
Chris.Reynolds@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (Chris.Reynolds)
christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson)
cj_west@gould2.bristol-poly.ac.uk (clare west - csd prog x2338)
clear@cavebbs.gen.nz
clive@research.att.com
cockburn@system.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Conrad.Bullock@comp.vuw.ac.nz
csakany@math.rutgers.edu (Rita Csakany)
cybapunk@tornado.gen.nz (Phil Ross)
D.Burns@massey.ac.nz (David Burns)
dave@cogsci.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
derek@foster.actrix.gen.nz (Derek Foster)
don@zl2tnm.gp.co.nz (Don Stokes)
duncan@comp.vuw.ac.nz
elsmith@iastate.edu
emee36@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk
ensor@math.berkeley.edu (Andrew Ensor)
ERAU007@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
eroth@apple.com (Rico)
Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz
farrell@cs.uq.oz.au
finbarg@hpwaps.wal.hp.com (Finbar Gallagher)
finlayson.r@HyperMail.apple.com (Ross Finlayson)
g9129499@its.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
gaarder@theory.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Steve Gaarder)
gill@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gillian Dobbie)
ginny@u.washington.edu (Ginny Patterson)
grandi@noao.edu (Steve Grandi)
greenfie@math.rutgers.edu (Stephen J. Greenfield)
greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes)
grove@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Grove)
halcyon!ralphs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Ralph Sims)
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Graeme Williams
gcwillia@daisy.waterloo.edu
From simon@darkmere.gen.nz Wed Feb 19 08:13:20 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,nz.net.announce,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,rec.travel.australia+nz
Subject: RFD: moderate soc.culture.new-zealand
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <856368825.3293@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:13:46 GMT
Lines: 250
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:67
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand (moderates existing group)
Newsgroup line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of
the existing world-wide Usenet newsgroup soc.culture.new-zealand.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of a
large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of hit-and-run spam,
make-money-fast, advertising and general junk posts.
While most regular readers of s.c.n-z are able to filter out these
posts via killfiles or in their heads, people new to the group are
discouraged from proceeding further by the large number of junk
threads.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these
posts, a consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit
considerably from light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that
it is more effective to filter these articles once, before they can
propagate, but also the low signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent
to first-time readers, making them less likely to participate in the
discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of or read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
percieved need for an unmoderated group being required as well as a
moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the charter below) would
also have a positive side-effect. It filters out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who, either do not read their email or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
one or two other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for the first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn
something about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ
or the welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from
posting, instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group
have at least taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully
the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group normally.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from people other than New Zealanders are
also most welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive Crossposts.
- Repetitive Posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand.
Moderation Policy:
It should be stressed at the outset that posts to s.c.n-z will not be
moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
supervision of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted to more
than three newsgroups (including soc.culture.new-zealand) will be
rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first nz.* group will not be counted towards the total number
of groups an article is posted to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted to
soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters to the group.
* When a poster on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When a poster not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* The program will also allow people to sign onto the list via email
to the Registration addresses without posting an article.
* The Maintainers may also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it.
* All authors of rejected posts will be notified via email. The program
will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected posts.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been listed and given the option of deleting. List
entries may be aged out after a term determined by the space available
on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers may also post summary information
about the number of people in the database and other general information
that may be of interest to the readership of the group. However in no
case may individual entries be identified.
Changes to this charter may be made only by group vote. Any person who is
on the list of valid posters to the group may participate in the vote.
One vote per person, one vote per account.
When a change is proposed, a vote taker must be found and a voting period
of three weeks established from a set date. The CFV must contain a clear,
complete description of the issue to be decided and of what constitutes a
valid ballot. It must be as easy to vote NO to any change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes. A change passes
if at least 30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes
are YES.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: [TBA]
Moderation Program Maintainers:
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Mantainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes are run
in a fair and straight forward manner and that the program is in line
with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
They may appoint a backup or temporary maintainer(s) if required. The
Maintainers can also be changed via a group-wide vote (see above).
Moderation program maintainer: TBA
Moderation program maintainer: TBA
Administrative contact address: TBA
List registration address: TBA
Article submission address: TBA
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, nz.net.announce,
soc.culture.new-zealand, nz.general, rec.travel.australia+nz
A pointer has also be posted on the following mailing list:
WYSIWYG NEWS ( New Zealand news service).
Subscribe via: majordomo@nz.com, "subscribe nznews <email-addr>" in body
--
Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
From simon@darkmere.gen.nz Tue Apr 15 21:45:28 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,nz.net.announce,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,rec.travel.australia+nz,misc.immigration.australia+nz
Subject: 2nd RFD: moderate soc.culture.new-zealand
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <861165894.2874@isc.org>
Organization: Darkmere Private Access Internet, Hamilton, NZ.
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:44:54 GMT
Lines: 281
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:273
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand (moderates existing group)
Newsgroup line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of
the existing world-wide Usenet newsgroup soc.culture.new-zealand.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
CHANGES from previous RFD:
- Extra paragraph in Rationale deleted.
- Expanded rationale for not keeping unmoderated group.
- Slightly expanded "unwelcome list"
- Made clear that maintainers "will" add people to valid poster list,
including those using "anti-spam" addresses.
- Rejected articles are now fwded to mailing list.
- Made clear initial maintainers listed in vote.
- Added addresses and maintainers' info.
- Added misc.immigration.australia+nz to groups RFD is posted to.
- General slight rewording
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of
a large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of spam, make-money-fast,
advertising and general junk posts.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these
posts, a consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit
considerably from light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that
it is more effective to filter these articles once, before they can
propagate, but also the low signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent
to first-time readers, making them less likely to participate in the
discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of nor read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
perceived need for retaining an unmoderated group as an alternative to
the moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the charter below) would
also have a positive effect of filtering out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who, either do not read their email or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
one or two other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for their first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn
something about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ
and/or the welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from
posting, instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group
have at least taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully
the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group subject only to the crosspost restrictions.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from people other than New Zealanders are
also most welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive Crossposts.
- Repetitive Posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand or New Zealanders.
Moderation Policy:
It should be stressed at the outset that posts to s.c.n-z will not be
moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
control of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted to more
than three newsgroups (including soc.culture.new-zealand) will be
rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first nz.* group will not be counted towards the total number
of groups an article is posted to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted to
soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters to the group.
* When a poster on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When a poster not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* The program will also allow people to sign onto the list via email
to the Registration addresses without posting an article.
* The Maintainers will also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it. This will included people who use
"unreplyable" email addresses (ie "john@waikato.ac.nz.NOSPAM" ).
* All authors of rejected posts will be notified via email. The program
will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected posts.
* All rejected articles, bounces and other errors will be forwarded to a
open mailing list for inspection by interested parties.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been listed and given the option of deleting. List
entries may be aged out after a term determined by the space available
on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers may also post summary information
about the number of people in the database and other general information
that may be of interest to the readership of the group. However in no
case may individual entries be identified.
Changes to this charter may be made only by group vote. Any person who is
on the list of valid posters to the group may participate in the vote.
One vote per person, one vote per address.
When a change is proposed, a vote taker must be found and a voting period
of three weeks established from a set date. The CFV (Call for Votes) must
contain a clear, complete description of the issue to be decided and of
what constitutes a valid ballot. It must be as easy to vote NO to any
change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes. A change passes
if at least 30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes
are YES.
Moderation Program Maintainers:
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Maintainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes are run
in a fair and straight forward manner and that the program is in line
with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
They may appoint a backup or temporary maintainer(s) if required. The
Maintainers can also be changed via a group-wide vote (see above). The
initial maintainers will be those listed in this the group vote.
Moderation program maintainer: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Moderation program maintainer: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
Administrative contact address: scnz-mod@nz.com
List registration address: scnz-reg@nz.com
Article submission address: scnz@nz.com
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Simon is a resident of Hamilton, New Zealand. He has been on Usenet
since 1990 and has experience co-moderating several newsgroups as well
as other Usenet administration tasks.
Moderator: avid Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
David lives in Wellington, New Zealand and has been active on Usenet since
1996. He is involved with news.newsusers.questions as a "helper" and works
for the Government in the media and IT fields with a special interest in the
Internet and related issues.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, nz.net.announce,
soc.culture.new-zealand, nz.general, rec.travel.australia+nz
misc.immigration.australia+nz
A pointer may also be posted on the following mailing list:
WYSIWYG NEWS ( New Zealand news service).
Subscribe via: majordomo@nz.com, "subscribe nznews <email-addr>" in body
--
Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
From simon@darkmere.gen.nz Mon May 26 00:15:11 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,rec.travel.australia+nz,misc.immigration.australia+nz
Subject: 3rd RFD: moderate soc.culture.new-zealand
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <864630573.27325@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 07:09:33 GMT
Lines: 325
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:456
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand (moderates existing group)
Newsgroup line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of
the existing world-wide Usenet newsgroup soc.culture.new-zealand.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
Changes from previous RFD
- Increased limit on crossposts to 4 groups + 2 nz.*
- Changed procedure to alter charter
- Entrenched a couple of parts of the charter
- Allowed maintainers to add additional maintainers
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of
a large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of spam, make-money-fast,
advertising and general junk posts.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these
posts, a consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit
considerably from light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that
it is more effective to filter these articles once, before they can
propagate, but also the low signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent
to first-time readers, making them less likely to participate in the
discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of nor read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
perceived need for retaining an unmoderated group as an alternative to
the moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the charter below) would
also have a positive effect of filtering out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who, either do not read their email or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
two or three other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for their first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn
something about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ
and/or the welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from
posting, instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group
have at least taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully
the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group subject only to the crosspost restrictions.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from people other than New Zealanders are
also most welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive Crossposts.
- Repetitive Posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand or New Zealanders.
Moderation Policy
-----------------
It should be stressed at the outset that posts to s.c.n-z will not be
moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
control of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted to more
than four newsgroups (including soc.culture.new-zealand) will be
rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first two nz.* group will not be counted towards the total number
of groups an article is crossposted to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted to
soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters, potential posters, and
persons interested in the group. Persons on this list may post to
the group and participate in group votes.
* When someone on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When someone not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* Persons can also add their address to the list by sending email
to the registration address without posting an article.
* The Maintainers will also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it. This will include people who use
"unreplyable" email addresses (ie "john@wibble.ac.nz.NOSPAM" ).
* All authors of rejected posts will be notified via email. The program
will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected posts.
* All rejected articles, bounces and other errors will be forwarded to a
open mailing list for inspection by interested parties.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been added to the list and given the option of
removing it. List entries may be aged out after a term determined by the
space available on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers may also post summary information
about the number of people in the database and other general information
that may be of interest to the readership of the group. However in no
case may individual entries be identified.
Changes to the Charter
----------------------
The Charter may be changed by the following procedures. At all times the
Official Charter is the original one (created by vote to moderate the
group) as modified by procedures contained within the section of the
Charter.
Changes to the Charter are made via an official proposal and a group vote
if required.
A proposal should be posted to s.c.nz with the subject starting with the
string "PROPOSAL: " . People may then followup to the post with comments
and or posts explicitly "opposing" or "supporting" the proposal. In order
for an opinion to count the post must contain one of the following lines:
I officially oppose this proposal.
I officially support this proposal.
After a one week period the number of people explicitly expressing an
opinion on the proposal is counted.
* If the number of people supporting the proposal is less that 10 then the
proposal is deemed to have failed and it may not be re-proposed for at
least 4 months.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal *and* less than 5 people
oppose it then the proposal is carried and the charter is changed to
reflect the proposal except where the change would effect a protected
clause in the charter in which case the change will go to a vote.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal *and* 5 or more people oppose
it then the proposal will go to a vote.
Any person who is on the list of valid posters to the group may
participate in the vote. One vote per person, one vote per email address.
When a proposal has passed, a vote taker must be found and a voting period
of two weeks established from a set date. The CFV (Call for Votes) must
contain a clear, complete description of the issue to be decided and of
what constitutes a valid ballot. It must be as easy to vote NO to any
change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes.
If the change does not effect a protect clause the it passes if at least
30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are YES.
If the change effects a protect clause the it passes if at least
80 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are YES.
The following parts of the Charter as defined as being protected:
* The paragraph that forbids moderation of posts on content.
* The section of the charter covering procedures to change the charter
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be sold, given
away, or used as a mailing list.
Moderation Program Maintainers
------------------------------
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Maintainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes are run
in a fair and straight forward manner and that the program is in line
with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
They may appoint additional maintainers if required. The Maintainers can
also be changed via a group-wide vote (see above). The initial maintainers
will be those listed in this the group vote.
Moderation program maintainer: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Moderation program maintainer: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
Administrative contact address: scnz-mod@nz.com
List registration address: scnz-reg@nz.com
Article submission address: scnz@nz.com
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Simon is a resident of Hamilton, New Zealand. He has been on Usenet
since 1990 and has experience co-moderating several newsgroups as well
as other Usenet administration tasks.
Moderator: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
David lives in Wellington, New Zealand and has been active on Usenet since
1996. He is involved with news.newsusers.questions as a "helper" and works
for the Government in the media and IT fields with a special interest in the
Internet and related issues.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, nz.net.announce,
soc.culture.new-zealand, nz.general, rec.travel.australia+nz
misc.immigration.australia+nz
A pointer may also be posted on the following mailing list:
WYSIWYG NEWS ( New Zealand news service).
Subscribe via: majordomo@nz.com, "subscribe nznews <email-addr>" in body
--
Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
From simon@darkmere.gen.nz Mon Jul 21 01:00:05 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,rec.travel.australia+nz,misc.immigration.australia+nz,nz.net.announce
Subject: 4th RFD: moderate soc.culture.new-zealand
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <869471421.13382@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:50:21 GMT
Lines: 347
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:595
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand (moderates existing group)
Newsgroup line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of
the existing world-wide Usenet newsgroup soc.culture.new-zealand.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
Changes from previous RFD
- Protected clause that says individuals may not be identified when
summaries of the list are published.
- Removed bit about maintainers being allow to add other maintainers without
proposal. Also allowed maintainers to resign.
- Added Phil as program maintainer
- Several wording fixes, thanks to Joe Bernstein for pointing these out.
- Allow proponent to withdraw proposal before vote if they wish.
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of
a large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of spam, make-money-fast,
advertising and general junk posts.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these
posts, a consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit
considerably from light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that
it is more effective to filter these articles once, before they can
propagate, but also the low signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent
to first-time readers, making them less likely to participate in the
discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of nor read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the Charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
perceived need for retaining an unmoderated group as an alternative to
the moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the Charter below) would
also have a positive effect of filtering out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who either do not read their email, or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
two or three other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's Charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for their first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn
something about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ
and/or the welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from
posting, instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group
have at least taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully
the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group subject only to the crosspost restrictions.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport,
events, films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food
tourism, places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas,
the Goodnight Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from New Zealanders, ex-pats and those
just interested in New Zealand are equally welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive crossposts.
- Repetitive posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand or New Zealanders.
Moderation Policy
-----------------
It should be stressed at the outset that posts to s.c.n-z will not be
moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
control of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
- All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted to
more than four newsgroups (including soc.culture.new-zealand) will
be rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first two nz.* groups will not be counted towards the total
numbers of groups an article is crossposted to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted
to soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters, potential posters, and
persons interested in the group. Persons on this list may post to
the group and participate in group votes.
* When someone on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When someone not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this Charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* Persons can also add their address to the list by sending email
to the registration address without posting an article.
* The Maintainers will also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it. This will include people who use
"unreplyable" email addresses (ie "john@wibble.ac.nz.NOSPAM" ).
* All authors of rejected posts will be notified via email. The program
will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected posts.
* All rejected articles, bounces and other errors will be forwarded to an
open mailing list for inspection by interested parties.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been added to the list and given the option of
removing it. List entries may be aged out after a term determined by the
space available on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers may also post summary information
about the number of people in the database and other general information
that may be of interest to the readership of the group. However in no
case may individual entries be identified.
Changes to the Charter
----------------------
The Charter may be changed by the following procedures. At all times the
Official Charter is the original one (created by vote to moderate the
group) as modified by procedures contained within the section of the
Charter.
Changes to the Charter are made via an official proposal and a group vote
if required.
A proposal should be posted to s.c.nz with the subject starting with the
string "PROPOSAL: " . People may then followup to the post with comments
and or posts explicitly "opposing" or "supporting" the proposal. In order
for an opinion to count the post must contain one of the following lines:
I officially oppose this proposal.
I officially support this proposal.
After a one week period the number of people explicitly expressing an
opinion on the proposal is counted.
* If the number of people supporting the proposal is less that 10, then
the proposal is deemed to have failed, and it may not be re-proposed for
at least 4 months.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal, *and* fewer than 5 people
oppose it, *and* it does not affect any protected clauses in the
Charter, then the proposal is carried, and the Charter is changed to
reflect the proposal.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal *and* 5 or more people
oppose it, OR if it affects a protected clause in the charter, then it
must go to a vote.
Even if a proposal attracts enough support to go to a vote the proponent
may withdraw it between the time the initial results is announced and the
vote is scheduled to start.
Any person who is on the list of valid posters to the group may
participate in the vote. One vote per person, one vote per email address.
When a proposal must go to a vote the Maintainers must find a vote-taker
and and a voting period of two weeks established from a set date. The CFV
(Call for Votes) must contain a clear, complete description of the issue
to be decided and of what constitutes a valid ballot. It must be as easy
to vote NO to any change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes.
If the change does not affect a protected clause then it passes if at
least 30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are
YES.
If the change affects a protected clause then it passes if at least
80 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are YES.
The following parts of the Charter as defined as being protected:
* The paragraph that forbids moderation of posts on content.
* The section of the Charter covering procedures to change the Charter
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be sold,
given away, or used as a mailing list.
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be
individually identified, only summary information on membership may be
published.
Moderation Program Maintainers
------------------------------
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Maintainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes are run
in a fair and straight forward manner and that the program is in line
with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
The Maintainers can also be changed via a group-wide proposal or vote (see
above) and maintainers may resign if they wish. The initial maintainers will
be those listed in the vote to moderate the group.
Initial maintainer: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Initial maintainer: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
Initial maintainer: Phil Stuart-Jones <phil@hyphen.southern.co.nz>
Administrative contact address: scnz-mod@nz.com
List registration address: scnz-reg@nz.com
Article submission address: scnz@nz.com
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Simon is a resident of Hamilton, New Zealand. He has been on Usenet
since 1990 and has experience co-moderating several newsgroups as well
as other Usenet administration tasks.
Moderator: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
David lives in Wellington, New Zealand and has been active on Usenet since
1996. He is involved with news.newsusers.questions as a "helper" and works
for the Government in the media and IT fields with a special interest in the
Internet and related issues.
Moderator: Phil Stuart-Jones <phil@hyphen.southern.co.nz>
Phil describes himself as a "differentially hairy, opinionated git with
big feet and a nose to match". He has been on the net (in some form) for
seven years, compiling the s.c.n-z faq for the last three, tends to hassle
bandwidth-wasters, but otherwise stays out of flamewars.
END MODERATOR INFO.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, nz.net.announce,
soc.culture.new-zealand, nz.general, rec.travel.australia+nz
misc.immigration.australia+nz
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Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Sep 8 13:15:56 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.immigration.australia+nz,rec.travel.australia+nz,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,nz.net.announce
Subject: CFV: soc.culture.new-zealand moderated
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Message-ID: <873366779.13242@isc.org>
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand
This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Sep 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of
a large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of spam, make-money-fast,
advertising and general junk posts.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these posts, a
consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit considerably from
light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that it is more effective to
filter these articles once, before they can propagate, but also the low
signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent to first-time readers, making
them less likely to participate in the discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of nor read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the Charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
perceived need for retaining an unmoderated group as an alternative to
the moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the Charter below) would
also have a positive effect of filtering out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who either do not read their email, or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
two or three other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's Charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for their first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn something
about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ and/or the
welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from posting,
instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group have at least
taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group subject only to the crosspost restrictions.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport, events,
films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food, tourism,
places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas, the Goodnight
Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from New Zealanders, ex-pats and those just
interested in New Zealand are equally welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive crossposts.
- Repetitive posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand or New Zealanders.
Moderation Policy
-----------------
Posts to s.c.n-z will not be moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
control of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
- All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted (of the
followup set to ) to more than four newsgroups (including s.c.nz)
will be rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first two nz.* groups will not be counted towards the total
numbers of groups an article is crossposted or followups set to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted
to soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
- Articles received my the robo-moderator will be examined to check
if they are crossposted to other moderated newsgroup. Should
there be other moderated newsgroup(s) posted to then article will
be forwarded to the moderator of the other newsgroup(s) for
approval. If all the other moderators of groups that the article is
posted to approve the article then the robo-moderator shall post the
article, if it passes all other moderation guidelines.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters, potential posters, and
persons interested in the group. Persons on this list may post to
the group and participate in group votes.
* When someone on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When someone not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this Charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* Persons can also add their address to the list by sending email
to the registration address without posting an article.
* The Maintainers will also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it. This will include people who use
"unreplyable" email addresses (ie "john@wibble.ac.nz.NOSPAM" ).
* In cases where a person uses multiple similar addresses a wildcard may
be added to the list as long as all the people potentially covered by
the entry consent.
* All authors of rejected posts will be automaticly notified via email
to. The program will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected
posts.
* All rejected articles, bounces and other errors will be forwarded to an
open mailing list for inspection by interested parties.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been added to the list and given the option of
removing it. List entries may be aged out after a term determined by the
space available on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers should also post regular summary
information about the number of people in the database, the number of
approved posts, rejected posts and other general information that may be
of interest to the readership of the group. However in no case may
individual entries be identified.
Changes to the Charter
----------------------
The Charter may be changed by the following procedures. At all times the
Official Charter is the original one (created by vote to moderate the
group) as modified by procedures contained within the section of the
Charter.
Changes to the Charter are made via an official proposal and a group vote
if required. It is the duty of the maintainers to oversee this process.
A proposal should be posted to s.c.nz with the subject starting with the
string "PROPOSAL: " . People may then followup to the post with comments
and or posts explicitly "opposing" or "supporting" the proposal. In order
for an opinion to count the post must contain one of the following lines:
I officially oppose this proposal.
I officially support this proposal.
After a one week period the number of people explicitly expressing an
opinion on the proposal is counted.
* If the number of people supporting the proposal is less that 10, then
the proposal is deemed to have failed, and it may not be re-proposed for
at least 4 months.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal, *and* fewer than 5 people
oppose it, *and* it does not affect any protected clauses in the
Charter, then the proposal is carried, and the Charter is changed to
reflect the proposal.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal *and* 5 or more people
oppose it, OR if it affects a protected clause in the charter, then it
must go to a vote.
Even if a proposal attracts enough support to go to a vote the proponent
may withdraw it between the time the initial results is announced and the
vote is scheduled to start. However the proposal may not be re-proposed
for at least 4 months.
Any person who is on the list of valid posters to the group may
participate in the vote. One vote per person, one vote per email address.
When a proposal must go to a vote the Maintainers must find a vote-taker
and and a voting period of two weeks established from a set date. The CFV
(Call for Votes) must contain a clear, complete description of the issue
to be decided and of what constitutes a valid ballot. It must be as easy
to vote NO to any change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes.
If the change does not affect a protected clause then it passes if at
least 30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are
YES.
If the change affects a protected clause then it passes if at least
80 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are YES.
If a vote fails then the proposal may not be re-proposed for at least 4
months.
The following parts of the Charter as defined as being protected:
* The paragraph that forbids moderation of posts on content.
* The section of the Charter covering procedures to change the Charter
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be sold,
given away, or used as a mailing list.
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be
individually identified, only summary information on membership may be
published.
Moderation Program Maintainers
------------------------------
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Maintainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes and
proposals are run in a fair and straight forward manner and that the
program is in line with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
The Maintainers can also be changed via a group-wide proposal or vote
(see above) and maintainers may resign if they wish. The initial
maintainers will be those listed in the vote to moderate the group.
The moderator is only permitted to cancel any unapproved posting to the
newsgroup, if it would have been rejected by the moderation program. In
cases where a flood of over 20 messages per day are coming from a single
source the moderators are allowed to temporarily block that source of
posts or cancel the posts until the problem is fixed.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Moderator: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
Moderator: Phil Stuart-Jones <phil@hyphen.southern.co.nz>
Administrative contact address: scnz-mod@nz.com
Article submission address: scnz@nz.com
List registration address: scnz-reg@nz.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes
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The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
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This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 27 1997).
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--
Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Tue Sep 16 09:15:29 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.immigration.australia+nz,rec.travel.australia+nz,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,nz.net.announce
Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.culture.new-zealand moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <874421306.14188@isc.org>
References: <856368825.3293@isc.org> <861165894.2874@isc.org> <864630573.27325@isc.org> <869471421.13382@isc.org> <873366779.13242@isc.org>
Supersedes: <873366779.13242@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 26 Sep 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:48:27 GMT
Lines: 394
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:770
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand
This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Sep 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of
a large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of spam, make-money-fast,
advertising and general junk posts.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these posts, a
consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit considerably from
light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that it is more effective to
filter these articles once, before they can propagate, but also the low
signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent to first-time readers, making
them less likely to participate in the discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of nor read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the Charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
perceived need for retaining an unmoderated group as an alternative to
the moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the Charter below) would
also have a positive effect of filtering out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who either do not read their email, or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
two or three other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's Charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for their first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn something
about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ and/or the
welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from posting,
instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group have at least
taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group subject only to the crosspost restrictions.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport, events,
films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food, tourism,
places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas, the Goodnight
Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from New Zealanders, ex-pats and those just
interested in New Zealand are equally welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive crossposts.
- Repetitive posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand or New Zealanders.
Moderation Policy
-----------------
Posts to s.c.n-z will not be moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
control of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
- All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted (of the
followup set to ) to more than four newsgroups (including s.c.nz)
will be rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first two nz.* groups will not be counted towards the total
numbers of groups an article is crossposted or followups set to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted
to soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
- Articles received my the robo-moderator will be examined to check
if they are crossposted to other moderated newsgroup. Should
there be other moderated newsgroup(s) posted to then article will
be forwarded to the moderator of the other newsgroup(s) for
approval. If all the other moderators of groups that the article is
posted to approve the article then the robo-moderator shall post the
article, if it passes all other moderation guidelines.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters, potential posters, and
persons interested in the group. Persons on this list may post to
the group and participate in group votes.
* When someone on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When someone not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this Charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* Persons can also add their address to the list by sending email
to the registration address without posting an article.
* The Maintainers will also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it. This will include people who use
"unreplyable" email addresses (ie "john@wibble.ac.nz.NOSPAM" ).
* In cases where a person uses multiple similar addresses a wildcard may
be added to the list as long as all the people potentially covered by
the entry consent.
* All authors of rejected posts will be automaticly notified via email
to. The program will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected
posts.
* All rejected articles, bounces and other errors will be forwarded to an
open mailing list for inspection by interested parties.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been added to the list and given the option of
removing it. List entries may be aged out after a term determined by the
space available on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers should also post regular summary
information about the number of people in the database, the number of
approved posts, rejected posts and other general information that may be
of interest to the readership of the group. However in no case may
individual entries be identified.
Changes to the Charter
----------------------
The Charter may be changed by the following procedures. At all times the
Official Charter is the original one (created by vote to moderate the
group) as modified by procedures contained within the section of the
Charter.
Changes to the Charter are made via an official proposal and a group vote
if required. It is the duty of the maintainers to oversee this process.
A proposal should be posted to s.c.nz with the subject starting with the
string "PROPOSAL: " . People may then followup to the post with comments
and or posts explicitly "opposing" or "supporting" the proposal. In order
for an opinion to count the post must contain one of the following lines:
I officially oppose this proposal.
I officially support this proposal.
After a one week period the number of people explicitly expressing an
opinion on the proposal is counted.
* If the number of people supporting the proposal is less that 10, then
the proposal is deemed to have failed, and it may not be re-proposed for
at least 4 months.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal, *and* fewer than 5 people
oppose it, *and* it does not affect any protected clauses in the
Charter, then the proposal is carried, and the Charter is changed to
reflect the proposal.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal *and* 5 or more people
oppose it, OR if it affects a protected clause in the charter, then it
must go to a vote.
Even if a proposal attracts enough support to go to a vote the proponent
may withdraw it between the time the initial results is announced and the
vote is scheduled to start. However the proposal may not be re-proposed
for at least 4 months.
Any person who is on the list of valid posters to the group may
participate in the vote. One vote per person, one vote per email address.
When a proposal must go to a vote the Maintainers must find a vote-taker
and and a voting period of two weeks established from a set date. The CFV
(Call for Votes) must contain a clear, complete description of the issue
to be decided and of what constitutes a valid ballot. It must be as easy
to vote NO to any change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes.
If the change does not affect a protected clause then it passes if at
least 30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are
YES.
If the change affects a protected clause then it passes if at least
80 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are YES.
If a vote fails then the proposal may not be re-proposed for at least 4
months.
The following parts of the Charter as defined as being protected:
* The paragraph that forbids moderation of posts on content.
* The section of the Charter covering procedures to change the Charter
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be sold,
given away, or used as a mailing list.
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be
individually identified, only summary information on membership may be
published.
Moderation Program Maintainers
------------------------------
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Maintainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes and
proposals are run in a fair and straight forward manner and that the
program is in line with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
The Maintainers can also be changed via a group-wide proposal or vote
(see above) and maintainers may resign if they wish. The initial
maintainers will be those listed in the vote to moderate the group.
The moderator is only permitted to cancel any unapproved posting to the
newsgroup, if it would have been rejected by the moderation program. In
cases where a flood of over 20 messages per day are coming from a single
source the moderators are allowed to temporarily block that source of
posts or cancel the posts until the problem is fixed.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Moderator: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
Moderator: Phil Stuart-Jones <phil@hyphen.southern.co.nz>
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pin00033.nospam@ping.be Stiphane Dohet
scooter@taranaki.spamnot.ac.nz Scooter
From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Sep 29 14:00:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.immigration.australia+nz,rec.travel.australia+nz,soc.culture.new-zealand,nz.general,nz.net.announce
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.new-zealand moderated fails 95:24
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <875566398.8979@isc.org>
References: <856368825.3293@isc.org> <861165894.2874@isc.org> <864630573.27325@isc.org> <869471421.13382@isc.org> <873366779.13242@isc.org> <873366779.13242@isc.org>
Supersedes: <874421306.14188@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:53:21 GMT
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RESULT
moderated group soc.culture.new-zealand fails 95:24
There were 95 YES votes and 24 NO votes, for a total of 119 valid votes.
There was 1 abstain and 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
soc.culture.new-zealand Topics related to New Zealand. (Moderated)
The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Sep 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.new-zealand
In recent times soc.culture.new-zealand (s.c.n-z) has been victim of
a large number of crossposted threads that cover many *.culture.* and
other groups. Virtually all of these have nothing to do with New
Zealand and the authors show no inclination to modify the groups they
post to.
Like most groups, s.c.n-z also has its share of spam, make-money-fast,
advertising and general junk posts.
While many regular readers employ killfiles to filter out these posts, a
consensus has been reached that s.c.n-z would benefit considerably from
light robo-moderation. Not only is it felt that it is more effective to
filter these articles once, before they can propagate, but also the low
signal to noise ratio acts as a deterrent to first-time readers, making
them less likely to participate in the discussions in s.c.n-z.
Although the group has an extensive and regularly posted FAQ, many
first time posters do not appear to be aware of nor read this, and ask
questions that are answered in the FAQ.
Thus, in addition to filtering out excessively cross-posted articles,
it is suggested that the robo-moderator be programmed to identify
first-time posters, and draw their attention to the group's FAQ.
Full moderation was not desired since it would slow down conversation
and many people did not feel comfortable with a bias that might be
introduced by a human moderator even if the Charter forbade moderation
on content.
Since the group will not be moderated on content, there was little
perceived need for retaining an unmoderated group as an alternative to
the moderated one.
The requirements for first-time posters (see the Charter below) would
also have a positive effect of filtering out many hit-and-run
"spammers" who either do not read their email, or do not have the
inclination to go through an extra step to post to a newsgroup.
The two measures that would be introduced would be:
1) Articles that are crossposted to more than a small number of groups
will be rejected.
This would prevent the threads that are crossposted to many groups from
invading s.c.n-z while at the same time allowing shared threads with
two or three other groups where posts are much more likely to be on-topic
for all the groups concerned.
2) New posters will be encouraged to learn a little about the group
before posting. This will be done in two ways:
* All first-time posters to the group will get a short welcome
message summarizing the group's Charter.
* The first time poster would have to reply via email to this message
in order for their first and other posts to be accepted.
The purpose of this process is to encourage newcomers to learn something
about the group before they post, by reading either the FAQ and/or the
welcome message. This isn't intended to restrict anyone from posting,
instead it is to ensure that people who post to the group have at least
taken some time to scan the welcome message and hopefully the FAQ.
Once a person has gone through this first-post stage they are free to
post to the group subject only to the crosspost restrictions.
CHARTER: soc.culture.new-zealand
The group provides a forum for discussion of topics related to New
Zealand. In particular such things as:
News, politics, Maori and Pacific Island culture, music, sport, events,
films, telly, jobs, farming, the environment, economics, food, tourism,
places to see, trade, education, bungy jumping, pavlovas, the Goodnight
Kiwi and Wal and the Dog in Footrot Flats.
In short anything and everything Kiwi.
Contributions and queries from New Zealanders, ex-pats and those just
interested in New Zealand are equally welcome.
The following are unwelcome because they do not positively contribute
to discussion:
- Personal advertisements.
- Pen pal requests.
- Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
- Chain letters.
- Tests.
- Binaries.
- Excessive crossposts.
- Repetitive posts.
- Posts that have nothing to do with New Zealand or New Zealanders.
Moderation Policy
-----------------
Posts to s.c.n-z will not be moderated according to their content.
The group is moderated by a robo-moderation program under the
control of the group's readership. The moderation program will:
* Filter out crossposts, according to the following criteria:
- All submissions to soc.culture.new-zealand that are posted (of the
followup set to ) to more than four newsgroups (including s.c.nz)
will be rejected subject to the following exceptions:
- The first two nz.* groups will not be counted towards the total
numbers of groups an article is crossposted or followups set to.
- Articles approved by the news.announce.newgroups and/or
nz.net.announce and/or news.answers moderators and crossposted
to soc.culture.new-zealand will be automatically approved.
- Articles received my the robo-moderator will be examined to check
if they are crossposted to other moderated newsgroup. Should
there be other moderated newsgroup(s) posted to then article will
be forwarded to the moderator of the other newsgroup(s) for
approval. If all the other moderators of groups that the article is
posted to approve the article then the robo-moderator shall post the
article, if it passes all other moderation guidelines.
* Keep a list of email addresses of posters, potential posters, and
persons interested in the group. Persons on this list may post to
the group and participate in group votes.
* When someone on the list submits an article, post it immediately
subject to the crossposting rules.
* When someone not on the list submits an article:
- Email the poster a welcome message that summarizes this Charter
and gives a pointer to the FAQ and other information. This message
will be sent from the "Registration" email address which will be
different from the submission address.
- If the poster replies to this message within 5 days then add their
name to the list and post the article unless the poster requests
otherwise.
- If no reply is received within 5 days and/or the message bounces
then the person will not be added to the list.
* Persons can also add their address to the list by sending email
to the registration address without posting an article.
* The Maintainers will also add or delete people's address(es) to or
from this list if they request it. This will include people who use
"unreplyable" email addresses (ie "john@wibble.ac.nz.NOSPAM" ).
* In cases where a person uses multiple similar addresses a wildcard may
be added to the list as long as all the people potentially covered by
the entry consent.
* All authors of rejected posts will be automaticly notified via email
to. The program will also return the first 50,000 bytes of any rejected
posts.
* All rejected articles, bounces and other errors will be forwarded to an
open mailing list for inspection by interested parties.
The list of email addresses is to be used only for approving posts to
soc.culture.new-zealand and for verifying voters for group votes. It
may not be sold, given away, or used as a mailing list. It starts empty,
and is added to only as above. Each new poster shall be advised that
their address has been added to the list and given the option of
removing it. List entries may be aged out after a term determined by the
space available on the moderating host, to be not less than one year.
The moderation program maintainers should also post regular summary
information about the number of people in the database, the number of
approved posts, rejected posts and other general information that may be
of interest to the readership of the group. However in no case may
individual entries be identified.
Changes to the Charter
----------------------
The Charter may be changed by the following procedures. At all times the
Official Charter is the original one (created by vote to moderate the
group) as modified by procedures contained within the section of the
Charter.
Changes to the Charter are made via an official proposal and a group vote
if required. It is the duty of the maintainers to oversee this process.
A proposal should be posted to s.c.nz with the subject starting with the
string "PROPOSAL: " . People may then followup to the post with comments
and or posts explicitly "opposing" or "supporting" the proposal. In order
for an opinion to count the post must contain one of the following lines:
I officially oppose this proposal.
I officially support this proposal.
After a one week period the number of people explicitly expressing an
opinion on the proposal is counted.
* If the number of people supporting the proposal is less that 10, then
the proposal is deemed to have failed, and it may not be re-proposed for
at least 4 months.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal, *and* fewer than 5 people
oppose it, *and* it does not affect any protected clauses in the
Charter, then the proposal is carried, and the Charter is changed to
reflect the proposal.
* If 10 or more people support the proposal *and* 5 or more people
oppose it, OR if it affects a protected clause in the charter, then it
must go to a vote.
Even if a proposal attracts enough support to go to a vote the proponent
may withdraw it between the time the initial results is announced and the
vote is scheduled to start. However the proposal may not be re-proposed
for at least 4 months.
Any person who is on the list of valid posters to the group may
participate in the vote. One vote per person, one vote per email address.
When a proposal must go to a vote the Maintainers must find a vote-taker
and and a voting period of two weeks established from a set date. The CFV
(Call for Votes) must contain a clear, complete description of the issue
to be decided and of what constitutes a valid ballot. It must be as easy
to vote NO to any change as to vote YES.
After a vote is over, a complete list of voter addresses and votes must
be posted to the group by the vote taker, and a period of at least two
weeks allowed for challenges and confirmations of votes.
If the change does not affect a protected clause then it passes if at
least 30 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are
YES.
If the change affects a protected clause then it passes if at least
80 YES votes are received and at least 3/4 of the total votes are YES.
If a vote fails then the proposal may not be re-proposed for at least 4
months.
The following parts of the Charter as defined as being protected:
* The paragraph that forbids moderation of posts on content.
* The section of the Charter covering procedures to change the Charter
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be sold,
given away, or used as a mailing list.
* The section that states that the list of posters may not be
individually identified, only summary information on membership may be
published.
Moderation Program Maintainers
------------------------------
Several people will be appointed by the group to maintain the moderation
program. It is the Maintainers' duty to ensure that the program is always
running correctly, that the database is up-to-date , that votes and
proposals are run in a fair and straight forward manner and that the
program is in line with the group's current moderation policy.
The Maintainers will also ensure that the group is widely propagated.
The Maintainers can also be changed via a group-wide proposal or vote
(see above) and maintainers may resign if they wish. The initial
maintainers will be those listed in the vote to moderate the group.
The moderator is only permitted to cancel any unapproved posting to the
newsgroup, if it would have been rejected by the moderation program. In
cases where a flood of over 20 messages per day are coming from a single
source the moderators are allowed to temporarily block that source of
posts or cancel the posts until the problem is fixed.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: soc.culture.new-zealand
Moderator: Simon Lyall <simon@darkmere.gen.nz>
Moderator: David Farrar <dpf@ihug.co.nz>
Moderator: Phil Stuart-Jones <phil@hyphen.southern.co.nz>
Administrative contact address: scnz-mod@nz.com
Article submissi 
