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From [email protected] Mon Sep 22 05:30:06 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: [email protected] (allan) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,alt.psychology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ Subject: RFD: sci.sociology.general moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:27:34 GMT Lines: 131 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:788                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                 moderated group sci.sociology.general  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.sociology.general.  This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are below.  Newsgroup line: sci.sociology.general	For the discussion of all aspects of Sociology. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general  Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there are two major Sociology mailing lists:       1. Progressive Sociologists Network      2. Soc Grad  Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.  Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers from bad propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large) don't carry any alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.  CHARTER: sci.sociology.general  Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an informal level every day, and has been going on since the beginning of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around since the early 1800's and many college campuses today have a Sociology Department.  Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current issues in Sociology.  Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper we may offer some suggested readings, but but we're not going to do your homework for you.  Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful, posts filled with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or references to substantiate the ideas, flames, messages cross-posted to hate or white supremacy newsgroups, make-money-fast, SPAM, binaries, and "for sale" postings.  Moderation Policy:  This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Any post rejected will, with the exception of SPAM or anonymous postings, be returned to the sender with an explanation or a suggestion for a more appropriate newsgroup.  The moderator(s) will be asked to error on the side of leniency when deciding to reject posts.  Approval can take anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours, depending on whether we are on-line or not. Please be patient.  In general users should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet (this document can also be found on the web at: http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/) The reason that we have a moderated group is to keep this group focused and to filter out the stuff that drive most people out of other groups.  Since moderation is not in place to censure ideas, or limit debate every effort will be made to automate the moderation process, thus keeping the flow of ideas continuous.  Moderators will be selected/removed through consensus of the newsgroup.  Unless it is found necessary at a later date there will not be a formal process for selecting group moderators.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general  Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]> Backup Moderator: Donald Libby <[email protected]> Moderator Address: <[email protected]>  END MODERATOR INFO.  PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,sci.anthropology,sci.econ alt.sci.sociology, alt.psychology  and the following mailing lists:  PSN <[email protected]> The Progressive sociologists Network SOCGRAD <[email protected]> The Sociology Grad Student mailing list.          Subscribe via: [email protected]  It is also availble on the World Wide Web at:  http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup/rfd.html  Proponent:  Allan Liska [email protected]   ----- [email protected]  http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup [there should be a signature here, but there isn't]  From [email protected] Wed Oct  8 19:30:04 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Allan Liska [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.sociology.general moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 02:21:48 GMT Lines: 179 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:835                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                 moderated group sci.sociology.general  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.sociology.general.  This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are below.  CHANGES from the previous RFD 1) Addition of another moderator. 2) Fleshed out Moderation policy  Newsgroup line: sci.sociology.general	For the discussion of all aspects of Sociology. (Moderated)  RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general  Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there are two major Sociology mailing lists:       1.Progressive Sociologists Network      2.Soc Grad  Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.  Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers from bad propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large) don't carry any alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.  END RATIONALE  CHARTER: sci.sociology.general  Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an informal level every day, and has been going on since the beginning of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around since the early 1800's and many college campuses today have a Sociology Department.  Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current issues in Sociology.  Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper we may offer some suggested readings, but but we're not going to do your homework for you.  Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful, posts filled with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or references to substantiate the ideas, flames, messages cross-posted to hate or white supremacy newsgroups, make-money-fast, SPAM, binaries, and "for sale" postings.  Moderation Policy:  This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Becuase of the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be impossible to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In general, if you follow the guidlines listed in this charter, and avoid the types of posts listed below, you should be okay.  Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet (this document can also be found on the web at: http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/)  The following are inappropriate for sci.sociology.general, and posts containing them will be rejected:  - personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct   (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate   authorities)  - discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology   (especially: spam)  - cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,   unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting   to a sci.med group when discussing Sociology of Medicine).   Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without   further justification.  (Note: unless there is a valid explanation   why, any message cross- posted to hate, racist, or white power   newsgroups will be automatically rejected).  - Gross violations of netiquette.  These may include, for example,   excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or   posting more frequently than once per month an article with more   than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the   future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic   misattribution of quoted text.  - Binary files (except short PGP signatures under 2K).  Sci.sociology.general will make use of the STUMP robomoderator wirtten by Igor Chudov.  For more information, please see: http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html. When a post is made to the group it will do one of three things: 1) Accept, and forward it on to be posted 2) Pass it onto the moderators for approval. 3) Reject it.  The first time a person posts to the newsgroup, they will receive a copy of the charter, and a pointer to the sci.sociology.general webpage (http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup).  Their post will be submitted for approval to one of the moderators.  Once it is approved, that person will be added to the list of approved posters and remain there unless he or she is in flagrant violation of the charter.  If someone repeatredly violates the charter, intentionally or not, they will be placed on a second list, all of their posts will be sent to a moderator before being sent on.  This person can be put back on the first list by approval of 2/3 of the moderators.  Any obvious charter violations (e.g. binary postings) will be automatically rejected by the robomoderator.  When this happens, a copy of the groups' charter will be sent to the poster (assuming the address is a valid one).  Changes in the moderation policy, and the addition or removal (unvoluntarily) of a moderator must have support of at least 2/3 of the existing moderators.  Of course, moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general  Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]> Moderator: Phil Marasco <[email protected]> Backup Moderator: Donald Libby [email protected] Moderator Address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  PROCEDURE:  This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.  All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.  This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.  DISTRIBUTION:  This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:  news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.anthropology, sci.econ, alt.sci.sociology  and the following mailing lists:  PSN <[email protected]> The Progressive sociologists Network SOCGRAD <[email protected]> The Sociology Grad Student mailing list.         Subscribe via: [email protected]  Proponent:  Allan Liska [email protected]   ----- [email protected]  http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup [there should be a signature here, but there isn't]  From [email protected] Wed Nov  5 00:00:10 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ Subject: CFV: sci.sociology.general moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: [email protected] Expires: 27 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:53:10 GMT Lines: 232 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:923                       FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group sci.sociology.general  This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.  Newsgroups line: sci.sociology.general	Sociology: subjects and the profession. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Nov 1997.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Allan Liska <[email protected]> Mentor: Alix <[email protected]> Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general  Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there are two major Sociology mailing lists:       1.Progressive Sociologists Network      2.Soc Grad  Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.  Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers from bad  propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large) don't carry any  alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.  CHARTER: sci.sociology.general  Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an informal level  every day, and has been going on since the beginning of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around since the early 1800's and  many college campuses today have a Sociology Department.  Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current issues in Sociology.  Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper.  We may offer some suggested readings, but we're not going to do your homework for you. Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful; posts filled with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or references to substantiate the ideas; flames; messages cross-posted to hate or white supremacy newsgroups; make money fast; SPAM; binaries; and "for sale" postings.  Moderation Policy:  This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Because of the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be impossible to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In general, if you follow the guidelines listed in this charter, and avoid the types of posts listed below, you should be okay.  Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet (this document can also be found on the web at: http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/)  The following are inappropriate for sci.sociology.general, and posts containing them will be rejected:  - personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct   (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate   authorities)  - discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology  - As mentioned previously, SPAM is not welcome, under any   circumstances.  - cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,   unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting   to a sci.med group when discussing Sociology of Medicine).   Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without   further justification. (Note: unless there is a valid explanation   why, any message cross-posted to hate, racist, or white power   newsgroups will be automatically rejected).  - Gross violations of netiquette.  These may include, for example,   excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or   posting more frequently than once per month an article with more   than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the   future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic   misattribution of quoted text.  - Binary files (except short PGP signatures under 2K).  Sci.sociology.general will make use of the STUMP robomoderator written by Igor Chudov.  For more information, please see: http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html. When a post is made to the group it will do one of three things: 1) Accept, and forward it on to be posted 2) Pass it onto the moderators for approval. 3) Reject it.  The first time a person posts to the newsgroup, they will receive a copy of the charter, and a pointer to the sci.sociology.general webpage (http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup).  Their post will be submitted for approval to one of the moderators.  Once it is approved, that person will be added to the list of approved posters and remain there unless he or she is in flagrant violation of the charter.  If someone repeatedly violates the charter, intentionally or not, they will be placed on a second list, all of their posts will be sent to a moderator before being sent on.  This person can be put back on the first list by approval of 2/3 of the moderators.  Any obvious charter violations (e.g. binary postings) will be automatically rejected by the robomoderator.  When this happens, a copy of the groups' charter will be sent to the poster (assuming the address is a valid one).  Changes in the moderation policy, and the addition or removal (unvoluntarily) of a moderator must have support of at least 2/3 of the existing moderators.  Of course, moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general  Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]> Moderator: Phil Marasco <[email protected]> Moderator: Donald Libby <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.  Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.  The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose.  Please do not distribute this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  HOW TO VOTE:  Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines.  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If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv.  ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: sci.sociology.general | Official Usenet Voting Ballot  (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected.  Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line:  Voter name:  | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name):   Your Vote   Newsgroup  ---------   ----------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  sci.sociology.general (moderated)  ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ==============  DISTRIBUTION:  In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:  Mailing list name: The Progressive sociologists Network Submission address: [email protected] Request address (optional): [email protected] (subscribe psn)  Mailing list name: Sociology Grad Students--International Submission address: [email protected] Request address (optional): [email protected] (subscribe socgrad)  This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997). PQ datestamp: 970324  --  Voting address: [email protected]  From [email protected] Sat Nov 15 12:00:07 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.sociology.general moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: [email protected] Expires: 27 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:58:22 GMT Lines: 237 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:951                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group sci.sociology.general  This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.  Newsgroups line: sci.sociology.general	Sociology: subjects and the profession. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Nov 1997.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.  Proponent: Allan Liska <[email protected]> Mentor: Alix <[email protected]> Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>  RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general  Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there are two major Sociology mailing lists:       1.Progressive Sociologists Network      2.Soc Grad  Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.  Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers from bad  propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large) don't carry any  alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.  CHARTER: sci.sociology.general  Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an informal level  every day, and has been going on since the beginning of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around since the early 1800's and  many college campuses today have a Sociology Department.  Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current issues in Sociology.  Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper.  We may offer some suggested readings, but we're not going to do your homework for you. Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful; posts filled with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or references to substantiate the ideas; flames; messages cross-posted to hate or white supremacy newsgroups; make money fast; SPAM; binaries; and "for sale" postings.  Moderation Policy:  This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Because of the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be impossible to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In general, if you follow the guidelines listed in this charter, and avoid the types of posts listed below, you should be okay.  Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet (this document can also be found on the web at: http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/)  The following are inappropriate for sci.sociology.general, and posts containing them will be rejected:  - personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct   (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate   authorities)  - discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology  - As mentioned previously, SPAM is not welcome, under any   circumstances.  - cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,   unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting   to a sci.med group when discussing Sociology of Medicine).   Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without   further justification. (Note: unless there is a valid explanation   why, any message cross-posted to hate, racist, or white power   newsgroups will be automatically rejected).  - Gross violations of netiquette.  These may include, for example,   excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or   posting more frequently than once per month an article with more   than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the   future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic   misattribution of quoted text.  - Binary files (except short PGP signatures under 2K).  Sci.sociology.general will make use of the STUMP robomoderator written by Igor Chudov.  For more information, please see: http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html. When a post is made to the group it will do one of three things: 1) Accept, and forward it on to be posted 2) Pass it onto the moderators for approval. 3) Reject it.  The first time a person posts to the newsgroup, they will receive a copy of the charter, and a pointer to the sci.sociology.general webpage (http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup).  Their post will be submitted for approval to one of the moderators.  Once it is approved, that person will be added to the list of approved posters and remain there unless he or she is in flagrant violation of the charter.  If someone repeatedly violates the charter, intentionally or not, they will be placed on a second list, all of their posts will be sent to a moderator before being sent on.  This person can be put back on the first list by approval of 2/3 of the moderators.  Any obvious charter violations (e.g. binary postings) will be automatically rejected by the robomoderator.  When this happens, a copy of the groups' charter will be sent to the poster (assuming the address is a valid one).  Changes in the moderation policy, and the addition or removal (unvoluntarily) of a moderator must have support of at least 2/3 of the existing moderators.  Of course, moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.  END CHARTER.  MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general  Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]> Moderator: Phil Marasco <[email protected]> Moderator: Donald Libby <[email protected]> Administrative contact address: [email protected] Article submission address: [email protected]  END MODERATOR INFO.  IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, one account per voter.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.  Vote counting is automated.  Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted.  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PQ datestamp: 970324  --  Voting address: [email protected]  From [email protected] Wed Nov 26 16:45:10 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ Subject: RESULT: sci.sociology.general fails 113:25 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: [email protected] Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:31:30 GMT Lines: 301 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:979                                  RESULT           moderated group sci.sociology.general fails 113:25  There were 113 YES votes and 25 NO votes, for a total of 138 valid votes.  There were 2 abstentions and 1 invalid ballot.  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END CHARTER.  sci.sociology.general Final Voter list  Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                   Bruce Wearne [email protected]                                               Jasmine Taylor [email protected]                                   ERWIN VANHAM [email protected]                                                Patrick Hublou [email protected]                                        Neil Chazin [email protected]                                               Chris Ebenezer [email protected]                                               Joanne Cook [email protected]                                              Trevor Tymchuk [email protected]                                              Jackie Luffman [email protected]                                   Jeffery D. Hunt [email protected]                                         T.Calabrese [email protected]                                                   Ioan Davies [email protected]                                            Ingo Schwarze [email protected]                                 Christoph Mueller [email protected]                                            Venise Comfort [email protected]                                                 Greg Keller [email protected]                                                   Greg Bacon [email protected]                                                Igor Chudov [email protected]                            Michael J. Vanden Berg [email protected]                                          Andrew C. Ohnstad [email protected]                                           Phyllis A. Rothgeb [email protected]                                               Ulrich Bunjes [email protected]                                        Sue Crudo [email protected]                                             Lorna Hanrahan [email protected]                                                Martin Michlmayr [email protected]                                          Brad Aisa [email protected]                                                     Simon Carter [email protected]                                               William Denton [email protected]                                          Karen L. McKinney [email protected]                                                   rwlarkin [email protected]                                    Chuck Hoffmann [email protected]                                           Kirk Wattles [email protected]                                              walt moffett [email protected]                                       J. Scott Cardinal [email protected]                                            Mason A. Clark [email protected]                                           Franck brunel [email protected]                                                Bruce Tindall [email protected]                                                    Tom Farley [email protected]                                               David Wolff [email protected]                                             Bill McMahon [email protected]                                                   Henrietta Thomas [email protected]                                          Patrick Goltzsch [email protected]                                    Mirko Driller [email protected]                                  Martin Schr"oder [email protected]                                Christian Weisgerber [email protected]                                    Moritz Muehlenhoff [email protected]                                             H. Taner [email protected]                       Andreas Dietrich [email protected]                                          Niels Olof Bouvin [email protected]                                         Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen [email protected]*spamguard*.asu.edu                                        Shap wolf [email protected]                                          John Hollister [email protected]                              Jose Augusto M. Mota Lopes [email protected]                                                Michael Goodman [email protected]                                   Donald W. Matteson [email protected]                             Rebecca Rosenblatt [email protected]                                          Josh Meisel [email protected]                                Peter Leigh Taylor [email protected]                                                   David Muga [email protected]                                      Bob Whittenbarger [email protected]                                                  David Alan Coon AAFuller%Faculty%[email protected]                              Abigail Fuller [email protected]                                           Laura Kelley [email protected]                                           Eric Godfrey [email protected]                                          Amy Denissen [email protected]                                         Jean Czerlinski [email protected]                                        Steven C. Velasco [email protected]                                       Cristina Escobar [email protected]                                               Christopher Gunn [email protected]                                             Melissa L Kelley [email protected]                                                  David Veatch [email protected]                                      Marit Berntson [email protected]                                      James Cassell [email protected]                                            Michael D. Lucas [email protected]                                      robsmith [email protected]                                             J Rufinus [email protected]                                       Donald L. Libby [email protected]                                Joseph Saint Pierre [email protected]                                         J. Porter Clark [email protected]                                           Rowena Robinson [email protected]                                            Di Paola [email protected]                                            Krishna E. Bera [email protected]                                   Christopher Robin Zimmerman [email protected]                                                   Kybor Tylor [email protected]                                       MARCUS J. WOLTERING [email protected]                                                Allan Liska [email protected]                                          Carlo Marchesi [email protected]                                        Anthony Charles Williams Jr [email protected]                                                    Anthony Wynes [email protected]                                              John Michael Kramer [email protected]                                             Chad M. Kimmel [email protected]                                             Heiko Ebeling [email protected]                                                      Bubo Damen [email protected]                                           Boudewijn Rempt [email protected]                                              Irina Rempt [email protected]                                           Karl Henrik Sivesind [email protected]                                                  HEIDI ENEHAUG [email protected]                                                 Baard Liaboe [email protected]                                    Torkild Hovde Lyngstad [email protected]                                            Finn Orstavik [email protected]                                             Chris Dunn [email protected]                                           Maxine Campbell [email protected]                                       Roseanne Liska [email protected]                                                Don Kiely [email protected]                                            Nat Makarevitch [email protected]                                                             J. T. [email protected]                                              Julie N. Jakopic [email protected]                                                    C Malte Lewan [email protected] [email protected]                                         Kennet Harald [email protected]                                                MICHAEL AMOAH [email protected]                                               Alan Harrison [email protected]                               Richard A. Sherwood  Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                    Kim DeVaughn [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                              Bill Burns [email protected]                                             Martin H. Booda [email protected]                                              Larry Smith [email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison [email protected]                                                                  d [email protected]                                             Olav Nieuwejaar [email protected]                                              Doug O'Brien [email protected]                                                 David W. Crawford [email protected]                                     Michael Cook [email protected]                                                Fred Cherry [email protected]                                      David Robinson [email protected]                                            John Lowther [email protected]                                       Patrick J. LoPresti [email protected]                                                Richard Miller [email protected]                                   DAvid Zvi Lecin [email protected]                                                     Vic Dura [email protected]                                                Matt Miller [email protected]                                 Sam Johnson [email protected]                                              Aaron Marquez [email protected]                                                 N. T. Wakelyn [email protected]                                                              Red [email protected]                                         Daniel Johns [email protected]                                              Hank Fung  Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                                Guy Macon [email protected]                                         David R. Sampson  Invalid votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]!retirar!                        Francisco Saraiva     ! Invalid address   --  Neil Crellin, UVV <[email protected]> 
 
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