From [email protected] Wed Jan 20 18:15:04 1999
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr.surveying,sci.engr.civil,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.space.science
Subject: RFD: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:03:03 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10829 news.groups:303904 sci.engr.surveying:12386 sci.engr.civil:31118 sci.geo.geology:58311 sci.geo.satellite-nav:70806 sci.astro:198320 comp.programming:65840 sci.space.science:18196
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup sci.math.applied.geo-planetary.
This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.
Newsgroup line:
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary For the discussion of geographical math.
RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and
exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more
reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations,
including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including
standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities
significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of
"antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic
planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate
the circumference of an ellipse?".
As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math,
sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro
and comp groups.
CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and
discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics,
encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical
inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance
between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and
other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other
planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.).
It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries;
however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not
attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD is being posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
sci.engr.surveying, alt.surveyor,
sci.engr.civil, sci.geo.geology,
sci.space.science, alt.sci.planetary,
sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.astro,
comp.programming
Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <[email protected]>
From [email protected] Thu Mar 4 16:16:49 1999
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.astro,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.science
Subject: CFV: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to)
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 27 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 00:03:32 GMT
Lines: 101
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10911 news.groups:306838 comp.programming:68552 sci.astro:202801 sci.engr.civil:31828 sci.engr.surveying:13722 sci.geo.geology:60250 sci.geo.satellite-nav:76046 sci.space.science:18721
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Newsgroups line:
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Geographical math concepts and formulation.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1999.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and
exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more
reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations,
including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including
standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities
significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of
"antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic
planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate
the circumference of an ellipse?".
As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math,
sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro
and comp groups.
CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and
discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics,
encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical
inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance
between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and
other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other
planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.).
It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries;
however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome.
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE:
Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and
after the "-=-=-=-" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the
columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. And
please don't send the entire CFV back!
Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected]
Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:
[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ CANCEL ] example.cancellation
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sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Ballot <Dxf-01> (Don't remove this marker)
Give your real name here:
Your Vote Newsgroup
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[ ] sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
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IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account
per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322
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Jim Davis | "Plaaay NICE!!"
[email protected] | -- Bubbles
From [email protected] Sun Mar 14 15:45:33 1999
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.astro,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.science
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to)
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 27 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:39:41 GMT
Lines: 105
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10924 news.groups:307718 comp.programming:69140 sci.astro:203679 sci.engr.civil:32007 sci.engr.surveying:13956 sci.geo.geology:60545 sci.geo.satellite-nav:77150 sci.space.science:18798
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Newsgroups line:
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Geographical math concepts and formulation.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1999.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and
exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more
reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations,
including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including
standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities
significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of
"antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic
planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate
the circumference of an ellipse?".
As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math,
sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro
and comp groups.
CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and
discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics,
encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical
inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance
between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and
other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other
planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.).
It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries;
however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome.
END CHARTER.
HOW TO VOTE:
Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and
after the "-=-=-=-" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the
columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. And
please don't send the entire CFV back!
Mark the ballot and then mail it to: [email protected]
Examples of how to properly indicate your vote:
[ YES ] example.yes.vote
[ NO ] example.no.vote
[ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention
[ CANCEL ] example.cancellation
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Ballot <Dxf-02> (Don't remove this marker)
Give your real name here:
Your Vote Newsgroup
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[ ] sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account
per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by
WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will
be published in the final voting results post.
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise
edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud.
When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997).
PQ datestamp: 980322
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected] Jules Dubois
[email protected] Christopher Robin Zimmerman
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Jim Davis | "Plaaay NICE!!"
[email protected] | -- Bubbles
From [email protected] Fri Mar 26 16:45:18 1999
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.planetary,alt.surveyor,comp.programming,sci.astro,sci.engr.civil,sci.engr.surveying,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.space.science
Subject: RESULT: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary fails 48:13
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (counting votes so you don't have to)
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:44:33 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10959 news.groups:310345 comp.programming:69941 sci.astro:204967 sci.engr.civil:32202 sci.engr.surveying:14145 sci.geo.geology:61197 sci.geo.satellite-nav:78282 sci.space.science:18919
RESULT
unmoderated group sci.math.applied.geo-planetary fails 48:13
There were 48 YES votes and 13 NO votes, for a total of 61 valid votes.
There were 2 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Geographical math concepts and formulation.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Kaimbridge M. GoldChild <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Jim Davis <[email protected]>
RATIONALE: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
Given the current and future plans in planetary surveying and
exploration (Mars, Jupiter, etc.), there is likely to be more and more
reoccurring questions dealing with the mathematics of such operations,
including more efficient methods of elliptic integration (including
standard and customized approximations suitable for ellipticities
significantly greater than Earth's), the increasing presence of
"antipodal events", recursive vs. non-recursive methods, elliptic
planetary data and such recurrent questions as "how do you calculate
the circumference of an ellipse?".
As it is now, such questions and topics are scattered among sci.math,
sci.geo.satellite-nav, sci.engr.surveying and the various sci.astro
and comp groups.
CHARTER: sci.math.applied.geo-planetary
An unmoderated, non-binary, NO-SPAM newsgroup for questions and
discussions on concepts and formulation of geographical math topics,
encompassing areas of geodesy/surveying (particularly the classical
inverse and direct problems: "How do you calculate the distance
between two points on a sphere? Spheroid?"), mapping, navigation and
other related geophysical disciplines dealing with Earth AND other
planetary bodies (including moons, stars, asteroids, comets, etc.).
It is not intended as a group for product information or inquiries;
however, pertinent computer programming questions are welcome.
END CHARTER.
sci.math.applied.geo-planetary Final Vote Ack
Email addresses are posted only to help verify the results. Do not
use these email addresses as a mailing list!
Voted Yes
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boud<>rempt.xs4all.nl Boudewijn Rempt
burningb<>burningbridges.com Hiram A. Berry
celticwiccan<>hotmail.com Peter Byron
dbandfc<>ihug.co.nz David Brown
deanl<>bigfoot.com Dean Lonning
dfrost<>maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
douglas+usenet<>fang.demon.co.uk Douglas Brebner
Ekkehard.Uthke<>gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke
ellis<>ftel.net Rick Ellis
Eric.L.Winter.1<>gsfc.nasa.gov Eric Winter
gherbert<>crl.com George Herbert
hboswell<>netdoor.com Harry Boswell
hfung<>CSUPomona.Edu Hank Fung
ian<>kulin.com.au Ian bailey
jcherepy<>mindspring.com Bill
jcs<>zoo.bt.co.uk John C Sager
jrobbins<>ziplink.net John Robbins
julesd<>erols.not-a-hostname.com Jules Dubois
kaimbridge<>my-dejanews.com Kaimbridge M. GoldChild
kc6rol<>amsat.org Will Marchant
kmsmith<>snet.net Keith M Smith
kzim.com!chris<>ncal.verio.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman
lverhulst<>nmff.nwu.edu leane verhulst
maynard<>interaccess.com Maynard Riley
moellering<>mail.fwi.com Chris & Leslie Moellering
nigellaw<>net.ntl.com Nigel Law
odanoffr<>club-internet.fr Olivier DANOFFRE
ordred<>trash.wt.net Bryan Williams
pboyles<>nr.infi.net Peter Boyles
pebyrd<>ionet.net Phillip Byrd
Peter-Lawrence.Montgomery<>cwi.nl Peter L. Montgomery
phlbck<>wco.com Phil Bickford
pierfrancesco<>softhome.net Pierfrancesco Di Giovanni
pierre.cao<>ib.be [email protected]
roses<>cape.com D.S. Klimm
rufinus<>mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus
rwhately<>silcom.com Ron
samhende<>ufl.edu Sam Henderson
stamper<>stamper.com Chris Stamper
swormley<>habenero.cnde.iastate.edu Samuel J Wormley
thogard<>abnormal.com Tim Hogard
tjm2326<>UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tim McGaha
tobin<>sji.org Tobin Fricke
toomanykims<>geocities.com Davd Kim
uy205<>victoria.tc.ca Roy A. Fletcher
WmHBlair<>verio.com William H. Blair
xanthian<>well.com Kent Paul Dolan
zinn<>ix.netcom.com Noel Zinn
Voted No
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alexis<>aa.net Alexis Manning
bob<>flaminio.com Bob Flaminio
chriseb<>nortelnetworks.com Chris Ebenezer
david<>farrar.com David Farrar
ferret<>enteract.com Karl Meyer
gprrspw<>mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
jeb27<>hermes.cam.ac.uk James Broughton
kopetsbj<>cs.purdue.edu Brett J. Kopetsky
naddy<>mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber
olav<>viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
rick<>bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
stainles<>bga.com Dwight Brown
vote8<>kholdan.snafu.de tobias erle
Abstained
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merlin<>A470.demon.co.uk Darren Wyn Rees
sforsell<>aol.com Scott Forsell
Votes in error
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nrm<>tusc.com.au Nigel McFarlane
! Conflicting votes on the same ballot
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Jim Davis | "Plaaay NICE!!"
[email protected] | -- Bubbles