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From [email protected] Mon Sep 22 05:30:06 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (allan)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,alt.psychology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ
Subject: RFD: sci.sociology.general moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:27:34 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:788

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                moderated group sci.sociology.general

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.sociology.general.  This is
not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural
details are below.

Newsgroup line:
sci.sociology.general	For the discussion of all aspects of Sociology. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general

Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of
discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the
term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there
are two major Sociology mailing lists:

     1. Progressive Sociologists Network
     2. Soc Grad

Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and
boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In
addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are
people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.

Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of
Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers
from bad propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large)
don't carry any alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with
hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular
posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.

CHARTER: sci.sociology.general

Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an
informal level every day, and has been going on since the beginning of
society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around
since the early 1800's and many college campuses today have a
Sociology Department.

Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of
discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the
profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current
issues in Sociology.

Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper we may
offer some suggested readings, but but we're not going to do your
homework for you.  Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful,
posts filled with political posturing without Sociological theory,
data or references to substantiate the ideas, flames, messages
cross-posted to hate or white supremacy newsgroups, make-money-fast,
SPAM, binaries, and "for sale" postings.

Moderation Policy:

This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation
will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Any post
rejected will, with the exception of SPAM or anonymous postings, be
returned to the sender with an explanation or a suggestion for a more
appropriate newsgroup.  The moderator(s) will be asked to error on the
side of leniency when deciding to reject posts.  Approval can take
anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours, depending on whether we
are on-line or not. Please be patient.

In general users should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in
news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet
(this document can also be found on the web at:
http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/) The reason that we
have a moderated group is to keep this group focused and to filter out
the stuff that drive most people out of other groups.  Since
moderation is not in place to censure ideas, or limit debate every
effort will be made to automate the moderation process, thus keeping
the flow of ideas continuous.

Moderators will be selected/removed through consensus of the
newsgroup.  Unless it is found necessary at a later date there will
not be a formal process for selecting group moderators.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general

Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]>
Backup Moderator: Donald Libby <[email protected]>
Moderator Address: <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,sci.anthropology,sci.econ
alt.sci.sociology, alt.psychology

and the following mailing lists:

PSN <[email protected]> The Progressive sociologists Network
SOCGRAD <[email protected]> The Sociology Grad Student mailing
list.
         Subscribe via: [email protected]

It is also availble on the World Wide Web at:

http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup/rfd.html

Proponent:  Allan Liska [email protected]


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From [email protected] Wed Oct  8 19:30:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Allan Liska [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ
Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.sociology.general moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 02:21:48 GMT
Lines: 179
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:835

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                moderated group sci.sociology.general

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup sci.sociology.general.  This is
not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural
details are below.

CHANGES from the previous RFD
1) Addition of another moderator.
2) Fleshed out Moderation policy

Newsgroup line:
sci.sociology.general	For the discussion of all aspects of Sociology. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general

Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of
discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the
term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there
are two major Sociology mailing lists:

     1.Progressive Sociologists Network
     2.Soc Grad

Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and
boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In
addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are
people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.

Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of
Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers
from bad propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large)
don't carry any alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with
hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular
posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.

END RATIONALE

CHARTER: sci.sociology.general

Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an
informal level every day, and has been going on since the beginning of
society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around
since the early 1800's and many college campuses today have a
Sociology Department.

Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of
discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the
profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current
issues in Sociology.

Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper we may
offer some suggested readings, but but we're not going to do your
homework for you.  Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful,
posts filled with political posturing without Sociological theory,
data or references to substantiate the ideas, flames, messages
cross-posted to hate or white supremacy newsgroups, make-money-fast,
SPAM, binaries, and "for sale" postings.

Moderation Policy:

This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation
will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Becuase of
the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be impossible
to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In general, if
you follow the guidlines listed in this charter, and avoid the types of
posts listed below, you should be okay.

Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in
news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet
(this document can also be found on the web at:
http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/)

The following are inappropriate for sci.sociology.general, and posts
containing them will be rejected:

- personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct
  (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate
  authorities)

- discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology
  (especially: spam)

- cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,
  unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting
  to a sci.med group when discussing Sociology of Medicine).
  Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without
  further justification.  (Note: unless there is a valid explanation
  why, any message cross- posted to hate, racist, or white power
  newsgroups will be automatically rejected).

- Gross violations of netiquette.  These may include, for example,
  excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or
  posting more frequently than once per month an article with more
  than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the
  future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic
  misattribution of quoted text.

- Binary files (except short PGP signatures under 2K).

Sci.sociology.general will make use of the STUMP robomoderator wirtten
by Igor Chudov.  For more information, please see:
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html.
When a post is made to the group it will do one of three things:
1) Accept, and forward it on to be posted
2) Pass it onto the moderators for approval.
3) Reject it.

The first time a person posts to the newsgroup, they will receive a
copy of the charter, and a pointer to the sci.sociology.general
webpage (http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup).  Their post will be
submitted for approval to one of the moderators.  Once it is approved,
that person will be added to the list of approved posters and remain
there unless he or she is in flagrant violation of the charter.  If
someone repeatredly violates the charter, intentionally or not, they
will be placed on a second list, all of their posts will be sent to a
moderator before being sent on.  This person can be put back on the
first list by approval of 2/3 of the moderators.

Any obvious charter violations (e.g. binary postings) will be
automatically rejected by the robomoderator.  When this happens, a
copy of the groups' charter will be sent to the poster (assuming the
address is a valid one).

Changes in the moderation policy, and the addition or removal
(unvoluntarily) of a moderator must have support of at least 2/3 of
the existing moderators.  Of course, moderators may resign of their
own volition at any time.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general

Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]>
Moderator: Phil Marasco <[email protected]>
Backup Moderator: Donald Libby [email protected]
Moderator Address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.anthropology, sci.econ,
alt.sci.sociology

and the following mailing lists:

PSN <[email protected]> The Progressive sociologists Network
SOCGRAD <[email protected]> The Sociology Grad Student mailing
list.
        Subscribe via: [email protected]

Proponent:  Allan Liska [email protected]


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[email protected]  http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup
[there should be a signature here, but there isn't]

From [email protected] Wed Nov  5 00:00:10 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ
Subject: CFV: sci.sociology.general moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 27 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:53:10 GMT
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Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:923

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                moderated group sci.sociology.general

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
sci.sociology.general	Sociology: subjects and the profession. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Nov 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Allan Liska <[email protected]>
Mentor: Alix <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general

Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of
discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the
term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there
are two major Sociology mailing lists:

     1.Progressive Sociologists Network
     2.Soc Grad

Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and
boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In
addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are
people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.

Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of
Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers
from bad  propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large)
don't carry any  alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with
hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular
posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.

CHARTER: sci.sociology.general

Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an
informal level  every day, and has been going on since the beginning
of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around
since the early 1800's and  many college campuses today have a
Sociology Department.

Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of
discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the
profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current
issues in Sociology.

Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper.  We may
offer some suggested readings, but we're not going to do your homework
for you. Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful; posts filled
with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or
references to substantiate the ideas; flames; messages cross-posted to
hate or white supremacy newsgroups; make money fast; SPAM; binaries;
and "for sale" postings.

Moderation Policy:

This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation
will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Because of
the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be
impossible to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In
general, if you follow the guidelines listed in this charter, and
avoid the types of posts listed below, you should be okay.

Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in
news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet
(this document can also be found on the web at:
http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/)

The following are inappropriate for sci.sociology.general, and posts
containing them will be rejected:

- personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct
  (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate
  authorities)

- discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology

- As mentioned previously, SPAM is not welcome, under any
  circumstances.

- cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,
  unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting
  to a sci.med group when discussing Sociology of Medicine).
  Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without
  further justification. (Note: unless there is a valid explanation
  why, any message cross-posted to hate, racist, or white power
  newsgroups will be automatically rejected).

- Gross violations of netiquette.  These may include, for example,
  excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or
  posting more frequently than once per month an article with more
  than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the
  future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic
  misattribution of quoted text.

- Binary files (except short PGP signatures under 2K).

Sci.sociology.general will make use of the STUMP robomoderator written
by Igor Chudov.  For more information, please see:
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html.
When a post is made to the group it will do one of three things: 1)
Accept, and forward it on to be posted 2) Pass it onto the moderators
for approval. 3) Reject it.

The first time a person posts to the newsgroup, they will receive a
copy of the charter, and a pointer to the sci.sociology.general
webpage (http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup).  Their post will be
submitted for approval to one of the moderators.  Once it is approved,
that person will be added to the list of approved posters and remain
there unless he or she is in flagrant violation of the charter.  If
someone repeatedly violates the charter, intentionally or not, they
will be placed on a second list, all of their posts will be sent to a
moderator before being sent on.  This person can be put back on the
first list by approval of 2/3 of the moderators.

Any obvious charter violations (e.g. binary postings) will be
automatically rejected by the robomoderator.  When this happens, a
copy of the groups' charter will be sent to the poster (assuming the
address is a valid one).

Changes in the moderation policy, and the addition or removal
(unvoluntarily) of a moderator must have support of at least 2/3 of
the existing moderators.  Of course, moderators may resign of their
own volition at any time.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: sci.sociology.general

Moderator: Allan Liska <[email protected]>
Moderator: Phil Marasco <[email protected]>
Moderator: Donald Libby <[email protected]>
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

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be published in the final voting results post.

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persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
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this CFV.  If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted
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DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:

Mailing list name: The Progressive sociologists Network
Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected] (subscribe psn)

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Submission address: [email protected]
Request address (optional): [email protected] (subscribe socgrad)

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From [email protected] Sat Nov 15 12:00:07 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ
Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.sociology.general moderated
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 27 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:58:22 GMT
Lines: 237
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:951

                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                moderated group sci.sociology.general

This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker.  It is not to be
posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker.  Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.

Newsgroups line:
sci.sociology.general	Sociology: subjects and the profession. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Nov 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Allan Liska <[email protected]>
Mentor: Alix <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general

Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of
discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the
term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there
are two major Sociology mailing lists:

     1.Progressive Sociologists Network
     2.Soc Grad

Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and
boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In
addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are
people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.

Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of
Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers
from bad  propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large)
don't carry any  alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with
hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular
posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.

CHARTER: sci.sociology.general

Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an
informal level  every day, and has been going on since the beginning
of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around
since the early 1800's and  many college campuses today have a
Sociology Department.

Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of
discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the
profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current
issues in Sociology.

Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper.  We may
offer some suggested readings, but we're not going to do your homework
for you. Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful; posts filled
with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or
references to substantiate the ideas; flames; messages cross-posted to
hate or white supremacy newsgroups; make money fast; SPAM; binaries;
and "for sale" postings.

Moderation Policy:

This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation
will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Because of
the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be
impossible to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In
general, if you follow the guidelines listed in this charter, and
avoid the types of posts listed below, you should be okay.

Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in
news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet
(this document can also be found on the web at:
http://www.netannounce.org/news.announce.newusers/)

The following are inappropriate for sci.sociology.general, and posts
containing them will be rejected:

- personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct
  (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate
  authorities)

- discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology

- As mentioned previously, SPAM is not welcome, under any
  circumstances.

- cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,
  unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting
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sci.sociology.general Acknowledgement Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                               Larry Smith
[email protected]                                       robsmith

This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997).
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Voting address: [email protected]

From [email protected] Wed Nov 26 16:45:10 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.sci.sociology,sci.anthropology,sci.econ
Subject: RESULT: sci.sociology.general fails 113:25
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: sci.sociology.general
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:31:30 GMT
Lines: 301
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:979

                                RESULT
          moderated group sci.sociology.general fails 113:25

There were 113 YES votes and 25 NO votes, for a total of 138 valid
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Newsgroups line:
sci.sociology.general	Sociology: subjects and the profession. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Nov 1997.

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about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Allan Liska <[email protected]>
Mentor: Alix <[email protected]>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: sci.sociology.general

Why is there a need for sci.sociology.general? There is a good deal of
discussion about Sociology on the Internet. Deja News shows that the
term Sociology used 3336 times in the last 6 weeks. In addition, there
are two major Sociology mailing lists:

     1.Progressive Sociologists Network
     2.Soc Grad

Each of these mailing lists has more than 500 hundred members and
boasts more than 50 messages a day, during the school year. In
addition, there are about 20 more smaller mailing lists. So, there are
people talking about Sociology, they are just looking for a home.

Currently the only newsgroup specifically set up for the discussion of
Sociology is alt.sci.sociology. This group, unfortunately, suffers
from bad  propagation, as most small colleges (and even some large)
don't carry any  alt groups. In addition it has become so overrun with
hate speech and spam in the last six months that many of the regular
posters have been forced to turn elsewhere for their discussions.

CHARTER: sci.sociology.general

Sociology is, simply put, the study of society. It is done on an
informal level  every day, and has been going on since the beginning
of society.  As a more formalized academic science it has been around
since the early 1800's and  many college campuses today have a
Sociology Department.

Sci.sociology.general is a newsgroup set up for the purpose of
discussing Sociology.  Sociological thought and ideas, as well as the
profession of Sociology itself, Demography, statistics, and current
issues in Sociology.

Sci.sociology.general is not intended as a homework helper.  We may
offer some suggested readings, but we're not going to do your homework
for you. Also unwelcome would be posts that are hateful; posts filled
with political posturing without Sociological theory, data or
references to substantiate the ideas; flames; messages cross-posted to
hate or white supremacy newsgroups; make money fast; SPAM; binaries;
and "for sale" postings.

Moderation Policy:

This group will be loosely moderated. The main reason for moderation
will be to screen out blatant violations of the charter. Because of
the dynamic nature of both Usenet and Sociology, it would be
impossible to list all subjects that will be considered on topic.  In
general, if you follow the guidelines listed in this charter, and
avoid the types of posts listed below, you should be okay.

Posters should follow the guidelines posted by Mark Moraes in
news.announce.newusers under the subject: Rules for posting to Usenet
(this document can also be found on the web at:
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containing them will be rejected:

- personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct
  (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate
  authorities)

- discussions which wander far from the topic of Sociology

- As mentioned previously, SPAM is not welcome, under any
  circumstances.

- cross-posting to groups outside of the sociology topic area,
  unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting
  to a sci.med group when discussing Sociology of Medicine).
  Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without
  further justification. (Note: unless there is a valid explanation
  why, any message cross-posted to hate, racist, or white power
  newsgroups will be automatically rejected).

- Gross violations of netiquette.  These may include, for example,
  excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or
  posting more frequently than once per month an article with more
  than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the
  future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic
  misattribution of quoted text.

- Binary files (except short PGP signatures under 2K).

Sci.sociology.general will make use of the STUMP robomoderator written
by Igor Chudov.  For more information, please see:
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html.
When a post is made to the group it will do one of three things: 1)
Accept, and forward it on to be posted 2) Pass it onto the moderators
for approval. 3) Reject it.

The first time a person posts to the newsgroup, they will receive a
copy of the charter, and a pointer to the sci.sociology.general
webpage (http://www.sociology.net/newsgroup).  Their post will be
submitted for approval to one of the moderators.  Once it is approved,
that person will be added to the list of approved posters and remain
there unless he or she is in flagrant violation of the charter.  If
someone repeatedly violates the charter, intentionally or not, they
will be placed on a second list, all of their posts will be sent to a
moderator before being sent on.  This person can be put back on the
first list by approval of 2/3 of the moderators.

Any obvious charter violations (e.g. binary postings) will be
automatically rejected by the robomoderator.  When this happens, a
copy of the groups' charter will be sent to the poster (assuming the
address is a valid one).

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(unvoluntarily) of a moderator must have support of at least 2/3 of
the existing moderators.  Of course, moderators may resign of their
own volition at any time.

END CHARTER.

sci.sociology.general Final Voter list

Voted YES
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[email protected]                                   Bruce Wearne
[email protected]                                               Jasmine Taylor
[email protected]                                   ERWIN VANHAM
[email protected]                                                Patrick Hublou
[email protected]                                        Neil Chazin
[email protected]                                               Chris Ebenezer
[email protected]                                               Joanne Cook
[email protected]                                              Trevor Tymchuk
[email protected]                                              Jackie Luffman
[email protected]                                   Jeffery D. Hunt
[email protected]                                         T.Calabrese
[email protected]                                                   Ioan Davies
[email protected]                                            Ingo Schwarze
[email protected]                                 Christoph Mueller
[email protected]                                            Venise Comfort
[email protected]                                                 Greg Keller
[email protected]                                                   Greg Bacon
[email protected]                                                Igor Chudov
[email protected]                            Michael J. Vanden Berg
[email protected]                                          Andrew C. Ohnstad
[email protected]                                           Phyllis A. Rothgeb
[email protected]                                               Ulrich Bunjes
[email protected]                                        Sue Crudo
[email protected]                                             Lorna Hanrahan
[email protected]                                                Martin Michlmayr
[email protected]                                          Brad Aisa
[email protected]                                                     Simon Carter
[email protected]                                               William Denton
[email protected]                                          Karen L. McKinney
[email protected]                                                   rwlarkin
[email protected]                                    Chuck Hoffmann
[email protected]                                           Kirk Wattles
[email protected]                                              walt moffett
[email protected]                                       J. Scott Cardinal
[email protected]                                            Mason A. Clark
[email protected]                                           Franck brunel
[email protected]                                                Bruce Tindall
[email protected]                                                    Tom Farley
[email protected]                                               David Wolff
[email protected]                                             Bill McMahon
[email protected]                                                   Henrietta Thomas
[email protected]                                          Patrick Goltzsch
[email protected]                                    Mirko Driller
[email protected]                                  Martin Schr"oder
[email protected]                                Christian Weisgerber
[email protected]                                    Moritz Muehlenhoff
[email protected]                                             H. Taner
[email protected]                       Andreas Dietrich
[email protected]                                          Niels Olof Bouvin
[email protected]                                         Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen
[email protected]*spamguard*.asu.edu                                        Shap wolf
[email protected]                                          John Hollister
[email protected]                              Jose Augusto M. Mota Lopes
[email protected]                                                Michael Goodman
[email protected]                                   Donald W. Matteson
[email protected]                             Rebecca Rosenblatt
[email protected]                                          Josh Meisel
[email protected]                                Peter Leigh Taylor
[email protected]                                                   David Muga
[email protected]                                      Bob Whittenbarger
[email protected]                                                  David Alan Coon
AAFuller%Faculty%[email protected]                              Abigail Fuller
[email protected]                                           Laura Kelley
[email protected]                                           Eric Godfrey
[email protected]                                          Amy Denissen
[email protected]                                         Jean Czerlinski
[email protected]                                        Steven C. Velasco
[email protected]                                       Cristina Escobar
[email protected]                                               Christopher Gunn
[email protected]                                             Melissa L Kelley
[email protected]                                                  David Veatch
[email protected]                                      Marit Berntson
[email protected]                                      James Cassell
[email protected]                                            Michael D. Lucas
[email protected]                                      robsmith
[email protected]                                             J Rufinus
[email protected]                                       Donald L. Libby
[email protected]                                Joseph Saint Pierre
[email protected]                                         J. Porter Clark
[email protected]                                           Rowena Robinson
[email protected]                                            Di Paola
[email protected]                                            Krishna E. Bera
[email protected]                                   Christopher Robin Zimmerman
[email protected]                                                   Kybor Tylor
[email protected]                                       MARCUS J. WOLTERING
[email protected]                                                Allan Liska
[email protected]                                          Carlo Marchesi
[email protected]                                        Anthony Charles Williams Jr
[email protected]                                                    Anthony Wynes
[email protected]                                              John Michael Kramer
[email protected]                                             Chad M. Kimmel
[email protected]                                             Heiko Ebeling
[email protected]                                                      Bubo Damen
[email protected]                                           Boudewijn Rempt
[email protected]                                              Irina Rempt
[email protected]                                           Karl Henrik Sivesind
[email protected]                                                  HEIDI ENEHAUG
[email protected]                                                 Baard Liaboe
[email protected]                                    Torkild Hovde Lyngstad
[email protected]                                            Finn Orstavik
[email protected]                                             Chris Dunn
[email protected]                                           Maxine Campbell
[email protected]                                       Roseanne Liska
[email protected]                                                Don Kiely
[email protected]                                            Nat Makarevitch
[email protected]                                                             J. T.
[email protected]                                              Julie N. Jakopic
[email protected]                                                    C Malte Lewan
[email protected]
[email protected]                                         Kennet Harald
[email protected]                                                MICHAEL AMOAH
[email protected]                                               Alan Harrison
[email protected]                               Richard A. Sherwood

Voted NO
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[email protected]                                                    Kim DeVaughn
[email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown
[email protected]                                              Bill Burns
[email protected]                                             Martin H. Booda
[email protected]                                              Larry Smith
[email protected]                                                 B.J. Herbison
[email protected]                                                                  d
[email protected]                                             Olav Nieuwejaar
[email protected]                                              Doug O'Brien
[email protected]                                                 David W. Crawford
[email protected]                                     Michael Cook
[email protected]                                                Fred Cherry
[email protected]                                      David Robinson
[email protected]                                            John Lowther
[email protected]                                       Patrick J. LoPresti
[email protected]                                                Richard Miller
[email protected]                                   DAvid Zvi Lecin
[email protected]                                                     Vic Dura
[email protected]                                                Matt Miller
[email protected]                                 Sam Johnson
[email protected]                                              Aaron Marquez
[email protected]                                                 N. T. Wakelyn
[email protected]                                                              Red
[email protected]                                         Daniel Johns
[email protected]                                              Hank Fung

Abstained
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[email protected]                                                Guy Macon
[email protected]                                         David R. Sampson

Invalid votes
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[email protected]!retirar!                        Francisco Saraiva
    ! Invalid address


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