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Subject: CFV:  soc.culture.indian.american
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CALL FOR VOTES to create newsgroup     soc.culture.indian.american

STATUS:   unmoderated
CHARTER:  Discussion about all social, political and cultural
          topics related to USA citizens and Permanent Residents
          of Asian Indian background/ancestry.

     
RATIONALE   (copied from the final RFD):
It appears, from the discussion that has gone on so far in news.groups,
that there is a need for a place to discuss issues which affect the
lives of USA citizens and permanent residents who are of Asian Indian
background. It is believed that many of these issues are very different
in scope and nature than those discussed in the soc.culture.indian group
and would be better addressed by the creation of a new group.
     
VOTING PERIOD

The voting period starts when this CFV is posted and lasts for 21 days.
Votes received after 24:00 GMT on ........ will not be counted.

HOW TO VOTE

Vote by sending mail to [email protected], with the word YES or NO (case
immaterial) in the subject line.  If you use rn or a similar news reader,
you can use r (reply), edit YES or NO into the Subject line, and mail. 
Then your vote would appear as one of the following:
Subject: YES soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: NO  soc.culture.indian.american

Votes which do not contain yes or no in the Subject line, or which are sent
to me instead of 'votes', will cause me extra work but will still be counted
if unambiguous.  Ambiguous votes and any posted votes will not be counted.

If your mailer will not accept mail to the above address try
votes%[email protected] or ...uunet!mcsun!stl!votes

Votes will be acknowledged by mail, but any acknowledgement that bounces
will not be re-tried.  There will also be at least one mass acknowledgement
posting to news.groups.  The final vote tally will be posted at the end of
the vote, including a list showing how everyone voted. 

If you vote more than once only the most recent vote received will be
counted as valid.

ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

soc.culture.indian.american already exists; why are we voting again?

    There were a number of concerns about the way the original vote was
    conducted, so it has not been listed as an official Usenet group, and 
    many news administrators have not created it on their systems.   This
    vote will settle the question one way or the other.

If the vote passes, will soc.culture.indian.american be accepted?

    David Lawrence will send out a newgroup message, and the group will
    be added to Gene Spafford's list of groups.   News admins will be asked
    to carry the group; as usual they have the final say over their systems.

If the vote fails, what will happen to soc.culture.indian.american?

    News admins will be asked to remove the group.
    Discussions currently in SCIA could continue in soc.culture.indian

Why does the group not have a different name?

    Because when the suggested names were put to a straw poll in 
    news.groups,  soc.culture.indian.american had the largest support.

As it is for American citizens/residents, why is it not a usa. group?

    The original proposal for this news group long pre-dates the usa.
    proposals, and the usa. distribution is not established yet.  Also,
    soc.culture.indian.american already exists on many systems and its
    status needs to be resolved.

Why are you taking the vote when JLM did all the work during the discussion?

    Because he asked me to.   It has been agreed that it would be best for
    this re-vote to be carried out by someone not directly involved, and I
    volunteered.  I am neither Indian nor American, and I shall not be
    casting a vote either way on this proposal.

Why didn't the CFV come out last week as it was supposed to do?

    Sorry about that; I was too busy being active in a *real* election,
    about who'll rule the UK for the next 4-5 years.  (FYI, I was part of
    the 57% who lost).
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From [email protected] Tue May  5 12:06:57 1992
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From: [email protected] (David Wright)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  soc.culture.indian.american
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CALL FOR VOTES and Mass Acknowledgement for soc.culture.indian.american

NOTE:     Following a request posted in news.groups, this second CFV
          is being sent to several additional news groups.   If you
          consider the one you are reading it in to be inappropriate,
          please just ignore it;  I'll not be posting any more copies
          to the extra groups.  Note that the final result will be posted to
          news.announce.newgroups, news.groups and soc.culture.indian.

STATUS:   unmoderated
CHARTER:  Discussion about all social, political and cultural
          topics related to USA citizens and Permanent Residents
          of Asian Indian background/ancestry.

RATIONALE   (copied from the final RFD):
It appears, from the discussion that has gone on so far in news.groups,
that there is a need for a place to discuss issues which affect the
lives of USA citizens and permanent residents who are of Asian Indian
background. It is believed that many of these issues are very different
in scope and nature than those discussed in the soc.culture.indian group
and would be better addressed by the creation of a new group.
     
VOTING PERIOD

The voting period started when the CFV was posted, and lasts for 21 days.
Votes received after 23:59:59 GMT on Friday 8th May 1992 will not be counted. 

Votes must be mailed to the vote-taker.  Posted votes will not be counted.
     
HOW TO VOTE

Vote by sending mail to [email protected], with the word YES or NO (case
immaterial) in the subject line.  If you use rn or a similar news reader,
you can use r (reply), edit YES or NO into the Subject line, and mail. 
Ideally your vote would appear as one of the following:
Subject: YES soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: NO  soc.culture.indian.american

Votes which do not contain yes or no in the Subject line will cause me extra
work but will still be counted iff unambiguous. 

If your mailer will not accept mail to the above address try
votes%[email protected] or ...uunet!mcsun!stl!votes

Votes will be acknowledged by mail, but any acknowledgement that bounces
will not be re-tried.  There will also be at least one mass acknowledgement
posting (and this is it).  The final vote tally will be posted at the end of
the vote, including a list showing how everyone voted. 

If you vote more than once from the same address, only the most recent vote
received will be counted as valid.  If you vote more than once from
different sites in an apparent attempt at a vote fraud, I may reject all
your votes, and publish the fact and your name to the net. 

ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

soc.culture.indian.american already exists; why are we voting again?

    There were a number of concerns about the way the original vote was
    conducted, so it has not been listed as an official Usenet group, and 
    many news administrators have not created it on their systems.   This
    vote will settle the question one way or the other.

If the vote passes, will soc.culture.indian.american be accepted?

    David Lawrence will send out a newgroup message, and the group will
    be added to Gene Spafford's list of groups.   News admins will be asked
    to carry the group; as usual they have the final say over their systems.

If the vote fails, what will happen to soc.culture.indian.american?

    News admins will be asked to remove the group.
    Discussions currently in SCIA could continue in soc.culture.indian

Why does the group not have a different name?

    Because when the suggested names were put to a straw poll in 
    news.groups,  soc.culture.indian.american had the largest support.

As it is for American citizens/residents, why is it not a usa. group?

    The original proposal for this news group long pre-dates the usa.
    proposals, and the usa. distribution is not established yet.  Also,
    soc.culture.indian.american already exists on many systems and its
    status needs to be resolved.

Why are you taking the vote when Alok Vijayvargia originally proposed the
group and Jose Martinez did all the work of running the recent discussion?

    Because Jose asked me to.   It has been agreed that it would be best for
    this re-vote to be carried out by someone not directly involved, and I
    volunteered.  I am neither Indian nor American, and I shall not be
    casting a vote either way on this proposal.


VOTES UNDER INVESTIGATION

Before giving the list of voters to date, I must regretably inform you all
that there appear to have been irregular votes from one location, both
multiple voting and personation (voting in the name of another user).
I am investigating this, and until I can confirm which votes from that
location are genuine I am not counting any of them.   Here as an example
are three of the votes I am not accepting without further investigation: 

  DSG4207 
  Dilawar Grewal 
  [email protected] (Dilawar Grewal)

MASS VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Excluding votes under investigation, 172 votes from 153 different host
addresses have been recieved to date, as at 23:00 GMT on 4th May 1992. 
They are shown here converted to lower case and sorted for easier checking:

aaron dickey, still alive 
aayush asthana 
abhijit dutta 
adam c. coggins 
[email protected] (adam shostack)
[email protected]
[email protected] (nataraj akkiraju)
alan r williams 
alan rollow - alan's home for wayward notes file. 
[email protected]
[email protected] (latha alukal)
amaresh r. joshi 
[email protected] (mike ammon)
[email protected] (anand praturi)
anil k goel 
[email protected] (stephanie da silva)
arijit mahalanabis (814) 2385016 
arne henrik juul 
asjeet s. lamba 
[email protected] (ashok aiyar)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]ext.cso.uiuc.edu (prasanta k. bhowmik)
[email protected] (bharathi jagadeesh)
[email protected] (brian matthews)
[email protected] (brian brunner)
[email protected] (carl rigney)
[email protected] (skip watson)
[email protected] (cliff tuel)
[email protected] (christopher ward)
cynthia jane lindsay 
[email protected] (paulo da costa 42147)
dan schlitt 
daniel ammon 
[email protected] (daniel veditz)
[email protected]
dave murphy 
[email protected] (anuj dawar)
[email protected] (dan corbett x2040)
[email protected] (dheeraj sanghi)
[email protected]
[email protected] (marianna max)
[email protected] (michael j. eager)
[email protected] (addison laurent)
[email protected] (ed mcguire)
erik naggum 
[email protected]
[email protected] (michael s forbes)
[email protected]
[email protected] (tom gardosik)
[email protected]
george w chacko 
[email protected] (margaret d. gibbs)
[email protected] (anil garg)
[email protected] (david grabiner)
[email protected] (greg goss)
[email protected]
[email protected] (dhaval anilkumar vasavada)
[email protected]
harpal chohan 
himanshu gohel 
[email protected] (jan isley)
jenni sheehey 
jim roche 
[email protected]
john g dobnick 
john stanley 
jon j. brewster 
kate gregory 
[email protected] (sanjay keshava)
ketan patel 
[email protected] (kevin menezes)
[email protected] (christopher fox)
klassen 
[email protected] (don m. kozlowski)
[email protected] (krishna velaga)
[email protected] (gopi kuduvalli)
[email protected]r.acuson.com (kumar neelakantan)
laurie kristinat, ext. 597 
[email protected]
m. ganesh 
[email protected] (michael l. le houllier)
[email protected] (manas chandra saksena)
[email protected]
[email protected] (malcolm austin)
[email protected] (mehta)
[email protected]
[email protected] (the missing link)
mike topliff 
[email protected]
neeran mohan karnik 
nks 
[email protected] (nihar mohapatra - imd~)
noel schmidt 
[email protected]
paul 
paul parry 
[email protected] (leonard j. peirce)
[email protected]
[email protected] (peter da silva)
[email protected] (p.j. boulay )
[email protected]
[email protected] (p. j. narayanan)
[email protected] (prince kohli)
[email protected] (joel plutchak)
r. jayakrishnan 
[email protected] (rachna mehta)
[email protected] (venkatraman raghavan)
raghu rao 
[email protected]
rajashekar betkerur 
[email protected]
[email protected] (ralph sims)
ramakrishna chada 
[email protected] (rama k pidaparti)
[email protected]
[email protected] (subbarao kambhampati)
[email protected]
[email protected] (ron dippold)
[email protected] (rakesh dubey - grad student)
[email protected] (roger h. brown)
ria 
[email protected] (richard h. miller)
rob mcmahon 
[email protected] (sendhil revuluri)
sam hill cabal, ds 
samir chaudhari 
[email protected] (mike arms)
sanjay tandon 
sanjiv singh 
[email protected] (ajit sanzgiri)
[email protected] (satish k. ramaswamy)
satyen g baindur 
[email protected] (scott huddleston)
seth leichter 
[email protected] (mary shafer)
[email protected] (shamik sharma)
shashi menon 
[email protected] (lynda l. true)
shrikant madhukumar gandhi 
shyamala parameswaran 
[email protected]
sivaram hariharan 
[email protected]
sridhar venkataraman 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (starwatcher)
steve simmons 
stu labovitz 
stuart s goldstone 
stupendous man 
sudha neelakantan 
[email protected] (sudip nag)
[email protected]
[email protected] (srinivas sunder)
[email protected] (sankar sunder)
tarunjit singh butalia 
[email protected] (dave hudson)
tom fitzgerald 
[email protected] (venu nayar)
vern cole -- systems manager 
vice_captain_trips 
[email protected] (vigyan singhal)
[email protected] (v r gopala rao)
[email protected] (vyshnavi suntharalingam)
[email protected]
werner uhrig 
[email protected] (gregory g. woodbury)
[email protected] (jim adams)
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From [email protected] Thu May 21 11:38:43 1992
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From: [email protected] (David Wright)
Subject: RESULT:  soc.culture.indian.american fails 85: 173
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RESULT

The vote on soc.culture.indian.american has FAILED by 85 YES to 173 NO votes.
The total of 258 votes came from 217 different host addresses.

There will be a five day period for corrections, but unless they alter the
result massively, the group will not be created.   In fact, the group already 
exists at many sites, so as stated in the CFV news admins will be asked to 
remove the group and/or alias it to soc.culture.indian.   David Lawrence
will send out the rmgroup message in due course.

Few "Yes" voters provide comments, but quite often "No" voters do.  In this
case, a few people voted no because they objected to Alok, some said that the
group was not needed (soc.culture.india would suffice), but most comments were
that the name was unsuitable.  One voter "would have voted yes for a usa.*
group".  Some said that the name caused too much confusion with the indigenous
American peoples, and a few voters identified themselves as being from one of
the indigenous tribes.


VOTE VALIDATION

Many of you will remember that when this group was voted on a few months ago,
sufficient people felt that the vote was flawed that the group was not
accepted by many news administrators, nor did it appear in Gene Spafford's
newsgroup list. 

My objective in running the re-vote was to carry out an impartial and accurate
poll, in order to settle the status of the group one way or the other.  In doing
this, I decided to check the votes very carefully, and obtain some form of
confirmation on the few that appeared suspicious.   In fact had I been less
careful the overall result would have been the same, but I felt it important
to operate as if the result was going to be close.  Thank you for your
patience while I have been making these checks. 

In the second CFV I stated:
> If you vote more than once from the same address, only the most recent vote
> received will be counted as valid.  If you vote more than once from
> different sites in an apparent attempt at a vote fraud, I may reject all
> your votes, and publish the fact and your name to the net. 

Sending multiple votes from different accounts in the hope that the vote
taker will not notice is, in my opinion, a fraudulent practice.  Anyone
who does this should not be allowed to benefit by it.

There were several duplicate votes, including people who changed their minds;
that is of course allowed.   However, there were a few cases of duplicate
votes from different addresses, and where I was able to detect these I queried 
them.   One was clearly an honest mistake; in another case the voter claimed
that his other account "must have been used by a friend" so I counted his
vote once and dropped the vote which he claimed had been forged in his
name.    That left two people, both of whom replied to my mail but did not
validate their votes.

The "votes" that I am not counting are:

Voted YES twice (and claimed that there was no rule against it):
  [email protected]	) Known to be the same person
  [email protected]	) (Did the same thing on SCIA straw poll)

Voted NO 3 times (and refused to provide validation information):
  DSG4207 
  Dilawar Grewal 
  [email protected] (Dilawar Grewal)

One person initially told me he had not sent me any vote (and thus his mail
had been forged).   Two weeks later he changed his statement and said he HAD
voted but had forgotten doing it, and provided validation information which a
forger would probably not have known, so I have counted his vote. 

In the meantime I had asked validation questions from all other voters from
his site.  I thank them here for providing the information I requested.  
One withdrew their vote rather than validate it, so it does not appear below. 


LIST OF VOTERS

These are the 85 YES votes:

abhijit dutta 
[email protected] (andrew chin)
adam c. coggins 
ajai banarji 
[email protected] (nataraj akkiraju)
[email protected]
[email protected] (amber roy chowdhury)
[email protected] (anand praturi)
anita govindjee 
arijit mahalanabis (814) 2385016 
[email protected] (ashok aiyar)
[email protected] (prasanta k. bhowmik)
[email protected] (bharathi jagadeesh)
[email protected] (ruth white)
[email protected] (bala swaminathan)
chidi subramanian 
[email protected]
[email protected] (dan corbett x2040)
[email protected] (marianna max)
[email protected]
[email protected] (debabrata chowdhury)
[email protected] (duane day)
[email protected] (addison laurent)
[email protected] (ed mcguire)
[email protected]
[email protected]
girish bonde 
gregory j. watson 
[email protected] (arun gupta)
[email protected] (ron hira)
[email protected] (sanjay keshava)
ketan patel 
[email protected] (kevin menezes)
[email protected] (gopi kuduvalli)
[email protected] (kumar neelakantan)
laurie kristinat, ext. 597 
[email protected] (deepak malhotra)
[email protected] (manas chandra saksena)
[email protected] (manohar \(asl\))
[email protected]
[email protected] (michael c. berch)
[email protected] (the missing link)
mike topliff 
[email protected] (vasudev murthy)
[email protected]
[email protected] (lost chord)
[email protected] (jay naik)
nalawadi shailesh mallikarjun 
[email protected] (nihar mohapatra - imd~)
[email protected] (niharika sharan)
p. i. arasu 
[email protected]
[email protected] (peter da silva)
[email protected] (prabakar sundarrajan)
preyas desai 
raghu rao 
rakesh 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (raj bhatnagar)
ria 
[email protected]
[email protected] (sendhil revuluri)
sanjiv singh 
[email protected] (ajit sanzgiri)
satyen g baindur 
[email protected] (sunil gupta)
shrikant madhukumar gandhi 
[email protected]
[email protected] (sadiq yusuf)
[email protected] (ranjit raj singh)
[email protected] (p. s. sriram)
stupendous man 
subash shankar 
sudha neelakantan 
[email protected] (sudip nag)
sunil agarwal 
tarunjit singh butalia 
tom limoncelli 
[email protected]
[email protected] (venu nayar)
[email protected] (vigyan singhal)
[email protected]
[email protected] (vyshnavi suntharalingam)


These are the 173 NO votes:

aaron dickey, still alive 
aayush asthana 
[email protected] (adam shostack)
[email protected]
ahluwali 
alan r williams 
alan rollow - alan's home for wayward notes file. 
[email protected] (anil k. kapoor)
[email protected] (latha alukal)
amaresh r. joshi 
amitabh shah 
[email protected] (mike ammon)
anil k goel 
[email protected] (wasavika reddy)
[email protected] (stephanie da silva)
arindam ghosh 
arne henrik juul 
ashish arora 
asjeet s. lamba 
b chandrasekaran 
[email protected]
[email protected]s.att.com
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (brian matthews)
[email protected] (anupam ganesh bokil)
brandon magee 
[email protected] (brian brunner)
[email protected] (carl rigney)
chopra m 
christopher m. conway 
[email protected] (skip watson)
[email protected] (preston f. crow)
[email protected] (cliff tuel)
[email protected] (sarat vemuri)
[email protected] (christopher ward)
cynthia jane lindsay 
[email protected] (paulo da costa 42147)
dan schlitt 
daniel ammon 
[email protected] (daniel veditz)
dave murphy 
[email protected] (anuj dawar)
[email protected] (dheeraj sanghi)
[email protected]
dje994a 
dowlah am 
[email protected] (michael j. eager)
[email protected] (gregory w. edwards)
erik naggum 
[email protected] (michael s forbes)
[email protected] (gopal agrawal)
[email protected] (tom gardosik)
[email protected]
george w chacko 
[email protected] (margaret d. gibbs)
giri 
[email protected] (anil garg)
gopichand koganti 
[email protected] (david grabiner)
[email protected] (greg goss)
[email protected]
[email protected] (dhaval anilkumar vasavada)
[email protected]
gyan p. sinha 
[email protected] (hades)
harpal chohan 
himanshu gohel 
[email protected] (hemang mehta)
[email protected] (ashish jain)
[email protected] (jan isley)
jenni sheehey 
[email protected] (joel furr)
jim roche 
[email protected]
john g dobnick 
john stanley 
jon j. brewster 
[email protected] (jon rhein)
kate gregory 
[email protected] (kim devaughn)
[email protected] (brian kenney)
[email protected] (christopher fox)
klassen 
[email protected] (don m. kozlowski)
[email protected] (krishna velaga)
[email protected] (the only one!!)
[email protected]
[email protected]
loren j. miller 
m. ganesh 
[email protected] (michael l. le houllier)
madhumita lodh 
[email protected] (malcolm austin)
[email protected] (mehta)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (narasimhan)
naresh kumar 
neeran mohan karnik 
[email protected] (nelson minar)
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 22:11:56 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Alok Vijayvargia)
Subject: RFD:  soc.culture.indian.american
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I would like to start a discussion on the formation of a new group 
soc.culture.indian.american on the USENET. It is proposed that this group 
would deal with the following:

1) Cultural aspects of the Indians settled, born or raised in America. 

2) Career and work related issues affecting them

3) Entertainment and events of mutual interest

4) Family unification, citizenship, rights, grievances, advice etc.
  
5) Indian and international food recipes

6) Dating, marriage, division of work/responsibilities issues

7) Views of Indian-Americans about contemporary India and Indian heritage

8) American politics/society and Indian-Americans

9) Relations with other *-Americans (Chinese-Americans, Italian-Americans etc)

10) Travelling/sight-seeing, Vacationing experiences

11) Programs/Proposals for development in India

12) Programs/Proposals for building stronger links with other Indians (Who
are studying or are here on temporary basis and have not yet immigrated)

etc.

It is proposed that the group be unmoderated.


Alok Vijayvargia

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 22:13:42 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Alok Vijayvargia)
Subject: CFV:  soc.culture.indian.american
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Group for American Residents of Indian Origin
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Discussion period has now ended.
This is a Call For Votes on forming a newsgroup for American Citizens/
Permanent Residents of (Asian) Indian origin.

If you like to vote "Yes", please send your vote to 
[email protected] or att!speedy!alok

If you like to vote "No", please send your vote to
[email protected] or att!probe!alok

The voting period shall end at 6 pm on December 12, 1991.


Alok Vijayvargia

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 22:15:00 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Alok Vijayvargia)
Subject: 2nd CFV:  soc.culture.indian.american
Followup-To: poster
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X-Status: 

This is the second Call For Votes on forming a newsgroup to discuss issues
pertaining to Indian Americans.

If you like to vote "Yes", please send your vote to 
[email protected] or att!speedy!alok

If you like to vote "No", please send your vote to
[email protected] or att!probe!alok

The voting period shall end at 6 pm on December 12, 1991.

This unmoderated group would deal with the following:

1) Cultural aspects of the Indians settled, born or raised in America. 

2) Career and work related issues affecting them

3) Entertainment and events of mutual interest

4) Family unification, citizenship, rights, grievances, advice etc.
  
5) Indian and international food recipes

6) Dating, marriage, division of work/responsibilities issues

7) Views of Indian-Americans about contemporary India and Indian heritage

8) American politics/society and Indian-Americans

9) Relations with other *-Americans (Chinese-Americans, Italian-Americans etc)

10) Travelling/sight-seeing, Vacationing experiences

11) Programs/Proposals for development in India

12) Programs/Proposals for building stronger links with other Indians (Who
are studying or are here on temporary basis and have not yet immigrated)
-- 
Alok Vijayvargia

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 22:15:21 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Alok Vijayvargia)
Subject: 3rd CFV:  soc.culture.indian.american
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected]
Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: 12 Dec 91 03:40:41 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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Status: RO
X-Status: 

This is the third 'Call For Votes' on forming a newsgroup to discuss issues
pertaining to Indian Americans.

If you like to vote "Yes", please send your vote to 
[email protected] or att!speedy!alok

If you like to vote "No", please send your vote to
[email protected] or att!probe!alok

This unmoderated group would deal with the following:

1) Cultural aspects of the Indians settled, born or raised in America. 

2) Career and work related issues affecting them

3) Entertainment and events of mutual interest

4) Family unification, citizenship, rights, grievances, advice etc.
  
5) Indian and international food recipes

6) Dating, marriage, division of work/responsibilities issues

7) Views of Indian-Americans about contemporary India and Indian heritage

8) American politics/society and Indian-Americans

9) Relations with other *-Americans (Chinese-Americans, Italian-Americans etc)

10) Travelling/sight-seeing, Vacationing experiences

11) Programs/Proposals for development in India

12) Programs/Proposals for building stronger links with other Indians (Who
are studying or are here on temporary basis and have not yet immigrated)

Last day to vote is December 12, 1991. Only votes received by 6pm EST will be 
counted.
-- 
Alok

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 22:15:32 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Alok Vijayvargia)
Subject: RESULT:  soc.culture.indian.american passes 194: 86
Followup-To: news.groups
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Status: RO
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Folks,

Here are the lists for votes both "Yes" and "No" for 
soc.culture.indian.american.

Total number of "Yes" votes =  194
Total Number of "No" votes =  86

Total number of votes = 280

Difference in "Yes" and "No" votes = 108 (Greater than 100)

2/3 (Total NUmber of Votes) = 2/3 (280) = 186

Number of "Yes" votes exceeds 186.

soc.culture.indian.american therefore passes !

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List of YES votes (Total 194)
-----------------------------

[email protected] (Rajkumar Velpuri)
att!cbnews!nav (Navneet Kumar)
cps.msu.edu!raja (Narayan Sriranga Raja)
[email protected] (Kamal Karlapalem)
att!cbnewsf!achan (Arun Chandrakantan)
[email protected] (Rama Govindaraju)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Babu Turumella)
[email protected] (Subash Shankar)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jon Rhein)
[email protected] (Sarvesh Mathur)
[email protected] (H. Schipper)
[email protected] (Amit Srivastava)
petrov%[email protected]
Rob Knauerhase 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Joe Keane)
Jay M. Oza 
[email protected] (Venu Dasigi)
Ameet Zaveri 
Michael B. Williams 
mips.com!arun (Arun)
[email protected] (Randy Bush)
[email protected] (K.Srinivasan)
Arijit Mahalanabis  [email protected]
[email protected] (Dinesh K. Prabhu)
Murali Krishnan 
[email protected] (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
adaptive.com!guru (Guru)
[email protected] (Rajan Kanitkar)
[email protected] (Nelson Minar)
unx.sas.com!sasbmt Wed Nov 27 11:57:36 0500 1991
Jitendra Kavathekar 
John A. Chandy 
[email protected] (Sanjay Jaiswal)
tamhane, pushkar 
[email protected] (Niranjan Ravindran)
[email protected] Brett Kottman
[email protected] (RAMAKRISHNA SRINIVASAN)
[email protected] (Debashish Niyogi)
[email protected] (Karl Mosgofian)
Joel Sax 
[email protected] (Ajay Shah)
[email protected] (Reddy Kareti)
[email protected] (Sundar Iyengar~)
Pyda Srisuresh 
[email protected] (suren vyas)
[email protected] (K.G. Mahalakshmi)
[email protected] (Rajender Deshpande)
[email protected] (Somnath Banerjee)
attmail!bmws!averma (averma )
S. Surya 
[email protected] (Charanjit Singh)
Germany.EU.net!jrobie%netmbx.uucp (Jonathan Robie)
[email protected] (deepak n pandit cis stnt)
[email protected] (Afroz Lateef)
Muru Palaniappan,Eng 
[email protected]
Shrikant Madhukumar Gandhi 
[email protected] (Prasanta Bhowmik)
Jeremy York 
John Frieman 
att!uunet.UU.NET!sdrc!CVG!"CAE424::MMGUPTA" (Nirmalya Gupta)
"Lean, mean machine!" 
att!cblpn!ven (Mettupalayam S Venkateshwaran +1 614 860 4747)
Raghu Rao 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Raj Savoor)
[email protected] (Louie Crew)
[email protected] (Anand Praturi)
[email protected] (Dave Hayes)
John N. Dvorak 
Mike Nakagawa 
Patt Bromberger 
Rohit Thukral [email protected]
[email protected] (Atul N Patil)
[email protected]
"Rajan, Civil Engg., UMass Amherst" 
att!ulysses!mab (Muhhamad Basit)
[email protected] (Lloyd T. Rich)
[email protected]
[email protected] 
Ramesh Swaminathan 
[email protected] (Ajai Thirumalai )
[email protected] (Jan Redbear Hall)
fang!tarpit!vicstoy!matteson (John Matteson)
[email protected] (Puneet Puri)
aarti%[email protected] (Aarti Kumar)
APU DESAI 
[email protected]
[email protected]
S. Surya 
apple.com!mas1!mahesh (Mahesh Mehta)
[email protected] (Guruprasad Krishnamurthy)
[email protected] (Goutam Das)
[email protected] (Julu Aryasomayajula)
[email protected] (David Seldner)
Po Shan Cheah 
icaen.uiowa.edu!abdutta (Abhijit Dutta)
 Kris (Ashok Chhabedia) Popat
Peter Landstreet 
att!cbnewsi!satyam (Satyam Bheemarasetti)
ellie%[email protected] (Ellie Cutler)
amdcad!brahms!mahavadi (Manohar Mahavadi)
[email protected] (Sadiq Yusuf)
[email protected] (Jules Damji)
Yanek Martinson 
[email protected] (Sachin Mithal)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Murali Iyer)
"Arun K. Gupta" 
[email protected] (Alok Vijayvargia)
[email protected] (Chander Ahuja) 
intellicorp.com!thyag (P. Thyagarajan)
"cblph!akk"@att.att.com (Arun Krishnan)
att!ihlpe!aks  (Akhilesh Sharma)
[email protected] (Jay S. Krishna)
swtec1.intel.com!pkohli (Parvinder Kohli)
gmr.com!ssubrama (Sridhar Subramaniam)
apple.com!arthur (James Arthur)
[email protected] (Milind Bodas)
[email protected] (Kamal Anand)
[email protected] (Anand Antur)
[email protected] (Narayannan Vijaykumar)
[email protected] (Ajay Asthana)
[email protected] (sanjay Sawhney)
[email protected] (Sunil Banwari)
maspar.com!bhavani (Bhavani Peddada)
gwyned.enet.dec.com!athalye (Ratnakar Athalye)
[email protected] (Ranjan Dutta)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rajiv Baronia)
[email protected] (Vishesh Parikh)
[email protected] (Sandeep Gupta)
[email protected] (Devender Reddy)
[email protected] (Ravi Kolagotla)
[email protected] (Nira Bindal)
[email protected] (Raju Prasannapa)
[email protected] (Nagendra Siravara)
[email protected] (Ved Lohia)
[email protected] (Sanjai Agarwal)
[email protected] (Deepak Chadda)
"microsoft!dilipw"@cs.washington.edu (Dilip Wagle)
[email protected] (Ganesh Rajan)
[email protected] (Akshay Gupta)
"ihlpf!mallika"@att.att.com (Mallika Phreykz)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jaisimha Muthegere)
[email protected] (Joydeep Mitra)
[email protected] (Shankar Iyer)
[email protected] (Rajkumar Jalan)
[email protected] (Ravi Chitturi)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Prasad Ganni)
[email protected] (Narsimha Raj)
sunrise.eng.dal.compaq.com!dinesh (Dinesh Sharma)
timeplex.com!tpatel (Tushar Patel)
allegra.att.com!krishnan (Krishnan Padmanabhan)
[email protected] (Jaswant Singh)
[email protected] (Mohammed Nasiruddin)
[email protected] (R. Srinivasa)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Farhad Ahmed)
[email protected] (Ganesh Krishnamurthi)
[email protected] (Kannan Ramanujan)
[email protected] (Deepak Nayak)
[email protected] (Debabrata Paul)
[email protected] (Nitin Rai)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paresh Vasani)
[email protected] (Girish Jain)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rajesh Shah)
[email protected] (Jamil Hussain)
[email protected] (Raju Joshi)
[email protected] (Chakradhar Reddy)
[email protected] (S. Sadhasivan)
[email protected]
mcc.com!bharat (Bharat Mitbander)
cadence.com!nagesh (Nagesh Shirali)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jahir Ghani)
sandeep%[email protected]s.com (Sandeep Pandya)
[email protected] (Jawahar)
menaka.metaphor.com!navare (Prashant Navare)
att!ihlpb!mrao (Mallikarjun Rao)
[email protected] (Srikanth Malipatlolla)
[email protected] (Venkat Bontu)
[email protected] (Vinay Chikarmane)
[email protected] (P Srisuresh)
aidev.enet.dec.com!patil (Avinash Patil)
iwtgo.att.com!rams (S. Ramachandran)
brahams.amd.com!gulukota (Karunakar Gulukota)
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NO Votes for soc.culture.indian.american (Total 86)
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uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!mda46419  (Michael "Memphis" Adams)
cas.org!lwv27 (Larry W. Virden)
s35.prime.com!REGIS 
[email protected] (Vallath Nandakumar )
[email protected] (Krishna P. Velaga)
[email protected] (Srinivas Sunder)
[email protected] (Chip Rosenthal)
Rajashekar Betkerur  
Jim Roche 
[email protected] (Scott Huddleston)
[email protected] (Quincey Koziol)
[email protected] (Roger Vanderveen)
[email protected] (Tim Ramsey)
[email protected] (Arun Krishnan)
"Ramesh Haridas  " 
[email protected] (DIBY)
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
pedregal%[email protected] (Cristobal Pedregal Martin)
[email protected] (Brian Matthews)
[email protected] (SRINIVASAN,K)
PSUVM.PSU.EDU!SXK120  (Samir Khosla)
Scott Goehring 
"Satya Prabhakar" 
[email protected] (Brian Kenney)
[email protected] (Dave V. Schaller)
[email protected] (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.)
[email protected] (Rocio Guillen)
[email protected] (sankar sunder)
[email protected] (Sriram S. Rao)
[email protected] (Mike Palmer)
[email protected] (Paresh Shah)
NMSU.Edu!rguillen 
Amaresh [email protected] (Amaresh Joshi)
Tim Becker 
[email protected] (Sankar Sunder)
cs.sfu.ca!jamie (Jamie Andrews)
"Stuart L Labovitz" 
Vipin Goyle 
Scott Horne 
Jose L Martinez 
[email protected] (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
[email protected] (Mark Sicignano)
[email protected] (Jeff Carroll)
Anay S. Panvalkar  (Anay Panvalkar)
"Floyd McWilliams" 
[email protected] (Craig E. Ward)
Harald Nordgard-Hansen 
[email protected] (Kim DeVaughn)
Dan Schlitt 
Jon Ross 
[email protected] (Vasudev Murthy)
Harpal Chohan 
Ajai Banarji 
att!ulysses!bala 
[email protected] (Alan Baxter)
uoft02.utoledo.edu!GRX0751 
Himanshu Gohel 
John G Dobnick 
bright.uoregon.edu!phillips 
[email protected] (Speedy Gonzalez)
John Lacey 
[email protected] ("Duckie" Shiau)
Sethuraman Rajendran 
Shashi Menon 
[email protected] (Paul Zola)
[email protected] (Prabakar Sundarrajan)
ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!venkattr
Venkateshnaran Vaiyapuri (ME) 
Wes Morgan 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ron Boerger)
"Jon J. Brewster" 
Daniel Ammon 
Tom Fitzgerald	
[email protected] (Sharan Kalwani)
att!mhcnet!rs (Rajeev Sehgal)
[email protected] (Paul Alukal)
cs.UMD.EDU!dheeraj (Dheeraj)
[email protected] (susan chacko)
[email protected] (Shomit Ghosh)
[email protected] (M K Jain)
[email protected] (Stephen Graham)
"Jenni Sheehey" 
leland.Stanford.EDU!paranjpe (Milind Paranjpe)
[email protected] (Gary Tse)
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Alok



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