From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 21:37:40 1992
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From: [email protected] (Michael Moore)
Subject: CFV:  comp.windows.x.apps
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	This is the call for votes regarding the creation of the news
group "comp.windows.x.apps".

	To cast your vote, send email to "[email protected]", and be
sure to clearly indicate whether you vote yes or no.  Preferably, yes votes
should state "I vote yes for comp.windows.x.apps" and no votes should
state "I vote no for comp.windows.x.apps" somewhere in the message.

	Votes are only counted if sent through email.  Posted votes are
not valid.  

	This call for votes will end April 29th, 1992.  Votes RECEIVED
after 23:59 GMT of April 29th will not be counted.  At the end of the 
voting period I will talley the yes and no votes and post a summary.

	Creation of the newsgroup at the end of the voting period depends
upon the following conditions :

> AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that might
>   invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes are received
>   than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
>   received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent
>   out.  If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is not met, the group should
>   not be created."

	Pending is the official charter for the proposed group :

-------------------------- BEGIN CHARTER -------------------------------
Name   : comp.windows.x.apps
Status : Non-Moderated

     This newsgroup would be for the discussion of X Windows
applications, both public-domain and commercial (where appropriate).
Its main purpose would be to facilitate the finding of specific X
Window applications (such as ftp sites for those applications which
are in the public-domain), to discuss which application is best suited
to particular situations, to provide a medium where one can review
applications, and to provide a place where functional questions can be
asked about X Window programs.

     The newsgroup would cover all forms of X applications, regardless
of the widget set(s) used or the program's function.

     The newsgroup would not be intended for Xlib or widget
programming discussion, but would encourage discussion of application
compilation or modifications, provided they are not more suited to an
Xlib or widget question.

--------------------------- END CHARTER ----------------------------------
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From [email protected] Tue May  5 12:08:01 1992
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From: [email protected] (Michael Moore)
Subject: RESULT:  comp.windows.x.apps passes 235: 22
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Newsgroup : Comp.windows.x.apps.
Status    : Unmoderated:
Totals    : Yes votes - 235
            No votes  - 22
Charter   :
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 	This newsgroup is for the discussion of X Windows
applications, both public-domain and commercial (where appropriate).
Its main purpose is to facilitate the finding of specific X Window
applications (such as ftp sites for those applications which are 
available via. anonymous ftp), to discuss which application is
best suited to particular situations, to proved a medium where one can
review applications, and to provide a place where functional questions
can be asked about X Window programs.

	The newsgroup covers all forms of X applications, regardless
of the tookit used or the program's function.

	The newsgroup is not intended for Xlib or toolkit programming
discussion, but would encourage discussion of application compilation
or modifications, provided they are not more suited to an Xlib or
toolkit question.
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	Appended is the list of yes and no votes.  

	-Michael

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Email Address of those who voted "YES"
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(Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)" 
(Andre Wiesel)" 
(Magnus Kempe)" 
EMIS2::NACEB" 
Michael A. Coggins" 
Randy Burris" 
Robert Forsman" 
Robin Corbet" 
Stuart L Labovitz" 
Tom Glanzman            (415) 926-3160" 

Andrew Hird 
Andy Malis 
Bengt Larsson 
Bruce Jones 
[email protected]
Chris Dean 
Chris Lilley 
Christopher Davis 
[email protected]
Danny Vanderryn 
Dave Sill 
David Bremner 
David DeBry 
Dick van Soest 
George J. Carrette 
HERB MARTIN 
Harri Salminen 
Herman Verkade 
Iain Attwater 
[email protected]
Jack McKinney 
Jamie Gritton 
Jason Austin 
Jin-Kun Lin 
Johannes Viegener 
John Kochmar 
John Plate 
[email protected] (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Jon Marthins 
Jose Maria Torres 
Joy Joy Joy 
Kimmo Ketolainen 
Klaus Steinberger 
Kwee 
Mahesh Bagade 
Marc Hall 
Mark Wright 
[email protected]
Martin Boyer 
Martin Forssen 
Matthew Freedman {IS} 
Matthew Newman 
Mike Arras 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Peter Wotton) (Peter Wotton)
Paul Dourish 
Paul Palmer 
Per Abrahamsen 
Raphael Manfredi 
Robert J Carter 
[email protected]
Simon Spacey 
Steffen Maerkle 
Ted Lemon 
Thomas Richter 
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo 
Tom Limoncelli 
Tony Wilson 
[email protected]
Torbj|rn B{ckstr|m 
[email protected] (anthony "mailman" apicella)
[email protected] (Amy Chan  x2941)
[email protected] (Arthur David Olson)
[email protected] (Allen Hom)
[email protected] (Randall Atkinson)
[email protected] (Thierry Besancon)
[email protected] (Brad Perry)
[email protected] (Bob Riegelmann)
[email protected]
[email protected] ( Jeff Boote)
[email protected] (Brian Smithson)
butler%[email protected] (Michael Butler)
[email protected] (Butch Griffin)
[email protected] (Deborah Catalano)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tang Chee Kin)
[email protected] (The Technicolour Throw-up)
chrisp%[email protected] (Chris Pointon)
[email protected] (Kok Chun Hong)
[email protected] (Cliff Allen)
[email protected] (John Coyne)
[email protected] (Chris Burdick)
[email protected] (Roger Reynolds)
[email protected] (Carlos Vaz de Carvalho)
[email protected] (Christopher Ward)
[email protected] (Daniel S. Lewart)
dan pierson 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Daniel Smith)
[email protected] (David H. Brierley)
[email protected] (william E Davidsen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (ho)
[email protected] (Brian Dealy - CSC)
detroch%[email protected]
[email protected] (David Mischel)
[email protected] (Doak Heyser)
[email protected] (Michael Doel)
[email protected] (J. Daniel Smith)
[email protected] (David E Wexelblat)
[email protected] (Ed Brill)
[email protected] (John E. Mendenhall)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Eibo Thieme)
[email protected] (Ake Hjalmarsson)
ernohb!eiss01!tkendel (T. Kendelbacher OT133)
[email protected] (Dave Williams)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Francis N. Godfrey)
[email protected] (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
fr@icdi10 (Fred Rump from home)
[email protected] (James P. Goltz)
gandhi!chris (Christoph M. Friedrich)
[email protected] (Gary O'Connell)
[email protected] (Gratien D'haese)
[email protected] (Greg Darnell)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Greg Hilton)
[email protected] (Gurminder Singh)
[email protected] (Webb Roberts)
[email protected] (John Harvie)
[email protected] (Stephan Heilmayr)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Hal Mueller)
[email protected] (Mike Hopkirk)
[email protected] (Edward J. Huff)
[email protected] (Miles ONeal)
[email protected] (Ivo Haulsen)
[email protected] (Jamie Thompson)
[email protected] (X-Miester)
[email protected] (Joe Hartley)
[email protected] (Jim Gottlieb)
[email protected] (John Jeongbae Seo)
[email protected] (James L Walker)
[email protected] (J M Lake)
[email protected] (Joseph P. Jarosz)
[email protected] (John McCracken)
[email protected] (John Gallant)
[email protected] (Bob Jones ECP/DS tel:5014 or 4833)
[email protected] (JIM PICKERING)
jtk@@fai.fai.com (Jeff Ku)
[email protected] (Joseph R. Justice)
[email protected] (Noam Stopak)
[email protected] (Hans Kingma)
[email protected] (Kent Leonard - Aurora Technologies)
[email protected]
[email protected] (dan ko)
[email protected]
[email protected] (SSUID Ken Sall)
[email protected] (Lisa Dawes)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mark Linimon)
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden)
[email protected] (Marcus Schnell)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Resident.Alien)
[email protected] (Martin Runesson)
[email protected] (Todd Earles)
[email protected] (Mike Batchelor)
[email protected] (Mike Moore)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Krueger)
[email protected] (Enrico Badella)
[email protected] (Peter Morreale)
[email protected] (Naftaly Stramer)
[email protected] (Nancie Marin)
[email protected] (Kevyn B. Ford (MSD - B56/FL5/KP - x88302))
[email protected] (Per Hedeland)
[email protected] (Peter Steele)
[email protected] (Peter Pflaeging)
[email protected] (Ryan Harlicker)
[email protected] (PV (Philippe Villard))
[email protected] (W.J. (Bill) Cassell)
[email protected] (Rajesh Chawla)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected] (Robert Jones)
[email protected] (ron nelson)
[email protected] (Nate Rockwell)
[email protected] (Roland Fehrenbacher)
[email protected] (Romik Dan)
[email protected] (Ron Jobmann)
[email protected] (Rich Crosby)
[email protected] (Rick Thau)
[email protected] (Rich Thomson)
[email protected] (Ed Sale)
[email protected] (Joel F. Sather)
[email protected] (Brian D. Schieber)
[email protected] (Scott Carpenter)
[email protected] (Arthur Lim)
[email protected] (Stefan Esser)
[email protected] (Allan Clarke)
[email protected] (Hiroto Shibuya)
[email protected] (Simon Leinen)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)
[email protected] (Stefan Schwarz)
[email protected] (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
[email protected] (Sascha Wildner)
[email protected] (Gary Gibson)
[email protected] (Jean-Philippe Martin-Flatin)
[email protected] (Pradeep M. Tagare)
[email protected] (Mehmet Ali Tan)
[email protected] (Chris Tanner)
[email protected] (Terry Suitor)
the cure 
[email protected] (Tom McConnell)
[email protected] (Tom Albrecht)
[email protected] 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Barry A. Warsaw)
[email protected] (Wilhelm Buehler)
[email protected] (Who want to know ?)
[email protected]
[email protected] (William Shi)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Wolf)
[email protected] (Chuck Neal)
[email protected]
[email protected]

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Email Addresses of those who votes NO 
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Brett B. Doehr 
Jack Moskowitz 
Jim Wight 
John G Dobnick 
[email protected] (John Helm [Sun Northwest Area SE])
Markus Stumpf 
[email protected] (Matt Cohen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mats Wichmann)
[email protected] (Kam T Tam)
[email protected] (Cristy)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Gim Mark)
[email protected] (George H. Bosworth)
[email protected] (Jay Graham)
[email protected] (John Blasik)
[email protected] (Kaleb Keithley)
[email protected] (Oliver Jones)
[email protected] (S. A. Levin [Stewart])
[email protected] (Shawn Wass)
[email protected] (Tom W. Brown)
visual.com!dbl%[email protected] (David B. Lewis)

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:30:40 1992
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From: [email protected] (Michael Moore)
Subject: RFD:  comp.windows.x.apps
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	I would like to request discussion for the creation of a new x
newsgroup.
  

Name : comp.windows.x.apps
Non-Moderated

Proposed Charter :
------------------

     This newsgroup would be for the discussion of X Windows
applications, both public-domain and commercial (where appropriate).
Its main purpose would be to facilitate the finding of specific X
Window applications (such as ftp sites for those applications which
are in the public-domain), to discuss which application is best suited
to particular situations, to provide a medium where one can review
applications, and to provide a place where functional questions can be
asked about X Window programs.

     The newsgroup would cover all forms of X applications, regardless
of the widget set(s) used or the program's function.

     The newsgroup would not be intended for Xlib or widget
programming discussion, but would encourage discussion of application
compilation or modifications, provided they are not more suited to an
Xlib or widget question.


Reasons for Group's Creation : 
----------------------------
     There are an enormous amount of applications out there in the
public domain alone.  Commercial programs are likely even more
numerous.  For this reason this news group is proposed - to facilitate
questions and problems with the programs out there.  Many problems and
questions are common, and the chances that someone out there has
already encountered a particular one are very good.

     Comp.windows.x is becomming increasingly more trafficed, and it
becomes harder and harder to spend the time needed to read through all
the articles.  It would be beneficial if the purely programming
problems could be left more isolated.  This new group would help to do
this.

     Also related to the heavy traffic comp.windows.x currently
recieves, posters are less likely to have someone read their
particular posting amid the vast quantity of articles posted.  This
would provide a place where they have a much better chance of being
heard by those most likely able to help.

	-Michael     
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