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From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: RFD:  rec.radio.broadcasting
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This is a call for discussion on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup,
tentitively entitled rec.radio.broadcasting. I am proposing that this
newsgroup be moderated, and barring any serious objection, I am offering 
my time and energy to BE that moderator.

As the 'statement of charter' indicates, I believe that a group of this
type is needed on Usenet because there is no current newsgroup dealing 
with the general subject of radio broadcasting. Yet radio is, arguably,
the most consumed of all mass media, in terms of actual person/hours
of exposure.  People listen to radio in their cars, in their offices, 
while jogging, dining, reading, getting ready for work, commuting, 
and just about any other conceivable activity. Radio shapes our opinions,
perceptions, musical tastes, and (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.

For these reasons, and others, I propose the creation of this newsgroup.

I suggest a 'moderated' format, for these reasons.

1) A properly moderated group generally produces a more concise and
   cohesive product w/less "net-clutter" and a higher signal/noise ratio.

2) If the moderator is knowledgable in the subject matter covered in
   the newsgroup, s/he can be of assistance in responding to questions
   posed to the group which might, otherwise, go un-answered.

3) Moderation of a newsgroup means different things to differnet people.  
   My concept of moderation is simply to act as a buffer, weeding out
   test messages, repetitive, abusive or 'grossly off topic' messages,
   and to re-direct misplaced articles to appropriate newsgroups, where
   possible.

I am an experienced broadcaster, and have had an avid interest in the 
medium since early childhood.  I would consider moderating this group
an honor and a pleasure, because of my respect for the medium, and the 
people in it.  Plus, I have time and willingness to dedicate to such a 
project.  

The tentitive name of 'rec.radio.broadcasting' (r.r.b) is, of course, open
to change if a better title can be created.  While the charter of the
group suggests potential topics which are not specifically recreational, 
I tend to feel that 'rec' might be the be the most appropriate heading since 
the only other Usenet group dealing with domestic broadcast radio 
(rec.radio.noncomm) uses this heading and therefore r.r.b would be
a good companion group. 

I considered the name 'talk.radio.broadcasting', but felt there might
be a misunderstanding that the group was centered around the 'talk radio'
format.  Perhaps something like 'talk.broadcasting.radio' might be 
a good alternative, but that will be determined by you folks
"out there in Usenet-land" :), assuming that the process gets that far.  

I do not envision r.r.b to be a replacement for any other newsgroup,
including rec.radio.noncomm.  The latter group's focus is on a specific
genre of radio and therfore I feel the two groups would compliment,
rather than compete with, one another.  


   ****** Statement of charter; rec.radio.broadcasting. *********

Rec.radio.broadcasting (r.r.b) will be for discussion of a wide variety of
subjects pertaining to the general arena of entertainment/information
radio.  While not specifically limited to North American broadcasting,
r.r.b will avoid dealing with international (shortwave) broadcasts
because this topic is already being handled in rec.radio.shortwave.

Valid subjects for discussion might include (but not be limited to);

1) Programming and formats 
2) Technical and engineering matters 
3) Concerns of smaller market stations
4) Innovations and legislation affecting the medium                    
   (and those attempting to enter it)
5) Radio's historical & cultural significance
6) Radio news coverage and it's impact on our nation and our world. 
7) Audience input and ideas for improving the state of radio broadcasting.


Since rec.radio.noncommercial is the only Usenet group pertaining to 
domestic broadcast radio, r.r.b would provide a forum for those 
individuals who's interest in the medium is not limited to the 
non-commercial arena.  I believe this group would be of great
interest to Usenet participants because ...
 
1) Everybody listens to, and is affected by, radio broadcasting.  It
   is the only mass media in which one can fully participate, while
   engaged in another activity.

2) Colleges and universities currently train, and graduate, thousands of
   potential radio professionals every year.  These individuals would
   be very likely to participate in such a forum to discuss and compare
   notes on their chosen field of endeavor.  

3) The face of radio is always changing. Satellite feeds, automation,
   and other influences are molding the future of the medium.  This
   newsgroup would be a link between interested parties from all corners
   of the industry, keeping one-another up to date on the latest trends
   impacting radio broadcasting in America an beyond.

********************** End Of Statement Of Charter *********************

I welcome your comments and suggestions. If all goes reasonably well
I will be putting out a 'Call For Votes' in about a month and hopefully
the Usenet community will agree that such a group would be a valuable
addition to it's heirarchy.  Since this is not a proposal for 'splitting'
an existing newsgroup, but rather for the creation of a group to fill
a 'vacancy', I hope you will seriously consider a positive response to
this proposal even if you, yourself, are not particularily involved
or interested in broadcasting.  Such a group could only augment the 
already diverse spectrum of Usenet newsgroups.

Feel encouraged to post responses to news.groups, and/or to e-mail me
directly at the following address.

[email protected]
    
send c.c. to..
[email protected]

Thank you.

William D. Pfeiffer

From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:32:45 1992
From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: CFV:  rec.radio.broadcasting moderated
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 18:11:25 GMT

This is a Call For Votes on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup
entitled 'rec.radio.broadcasting.  

STATUS:	  Moderated.


PURPOSE:  This group will be for the discussion of a wide variety of
	  subjects pertaining to the general arena of domestic radio
	  broadcasting.  Topics of discussion might include (but not
	  be limited to):  Programming, Engineering/Technical, Radio 
	  news and political coverage,  Challenges of secondary
          market stations, Innovations and legislation affecting
          the media, Historical and cultural significance,  Network radio,
          Domestic pirate broadcasting, Differences and similarities
	  in 'domestic' radio of various nations,  General items of
	  interest to broadcast professionals, hopefulls, affectionados,
	  and casual listeners, Assistance to those desiring to enter
	  the industry by providing a 'networking' infrastructure.

REASONS:  Everybody listens to the radio.  It influences our lives, our
	  political beliefs, musical tastes, purchasing habits, and
	  (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  Radio, in it's many
	  forms, is pervasive.  It is the only mass media in which
	  one can fully participate while engaged in another 
	  activity.  Amazingly, there is no Usenet newsgroup dedicated
	  to the overall topic of radio broadcasting.  


Limits:	  I do not envision rec.radio.broadcasting to be a
          replacement  for such groups as rec.radio.noncomm or
          rec.radio.shortwave. Rec.radio broadcasting (r.r.b) would
          try to avoid dealing with subjects which are directly and
          _specifically_ related to the charter(s) of these groups,
          but will gladly cover _any_ subject which has significance
     	  to radio broadcasting in general, even if it involves
   	  noncommercial or shortwave  stations.  R.r.b would be
	  likely to shy away from discussions (flame wars) about
    	  specific performers & bands, except as it pertains to radio
	  programming and formats (there are many .music groups on
	  the net for such discussions).

MODERATION:  I have proposed this as a moderated group.  I have also
	  volunteered to serve as that moderator.  I believe in a
	  very 'light-handed' approach to moderation.  Basically no 
	  more than a buffer, re-directing misplaced articles, attempting
	  to quell excessive 'free-for-all-flame-fests' :-), and trying
	  to keep the signal/noise ratio on the 'signal' side :-).  
	  *** I AM NOT A CENSOR ***.  I will NEVER kill an article 
	  because it clashes with my beliefs or opinions!  In addition,
	  I have my own dedicated Unix system with it's own direct
	  Internet e-mail feed, I have time and energy to dedicate
	  to the project, I have had a life-long involvement with
	  radio and communication, plus the wise counsel and support 
          of many in the industry, and on the net.

TO VOTE YES, SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  (OMIT THE QUOTES)
TO VOTE NO,  SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  

Only votes sent by e-mail, to the above address will be counted!  
Do not respond directly to this post.  Voting will end on 4/30/92.
No conditional votes will be accepted.  Votes should have a line in
the subject or body of the letter stating clear intent, such as..
"I vote yes on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed" or
"I vote no on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed", or some similar
non-ambiguous statement.  Mass acknowledgements, and possible re-posts of
this CFV will appear from time to time in news.announce.newgroups and
news.groups as well as other related newsgroups.  Vote counts will be
verified (if needed) by the sysadmin at the 'gagme' site.  

If anyone desires direct corespondence with me on this subject, please
write to me at my personal e-mail address '[email protected]'.
However, I will not enter into any discussion of vote totals or
projections while the vote is underway.  

** VOTES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THE 'AIRWAVES' ADDRESS! ***

(Exception to above rule:  If your vote bounces, send it, and the entire
bounced header, to me at airwaves, and it will be included).

Thanks to those who expressed support.

Respectfully
-- 
William Pfeiffer
[email protected]

From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 21:38:29 1992
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From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.radio.broadcasting moderated
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This is the _SECOND_ Call For Votes on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup
entitled 'rec.radio.broadcasting'.  For those of you who have not yet seen the
original CFV, I have included most of it in this posting.  At the end of the
CFV, there is a mass ack of votes received as of April 8, 1992.  If you
have not voted yet, and have an interest in this group, please vote now.

Voting will end April 30, 1992 at 12:00 midnight central daylight time.

Please read and follow voting guidelines carefully to assure that your vote 
will be counted, and that there will be no confusion.


============================ CFV  rec.radio.broadcasting ====================

STATUS:	  Moderated.


PURPOSE:  This group will be for the discussion of a wide variety of
	  subjects pertaining to the general arena of domestic radio
	  broadcasting.  Topics of discussion might include (but not
	  be limited to):  Programming, Engineering/Technical, Radio 
	  news and political coverage,  Challenges of secondary
          market stations, Innovations and legislation affecting
          the media, Historical and cultural significance,  Network radio,
          Domestic pirate broadcasting, Differences and similarities
	  in 'domestic' radio of various nations,  General items of
	  interest to broadcast professionals, hopefuls, affectionados,
	  and casual listeners, Assistance to those desiring to enter
	  the industry by providing a 'networking' infrastructure.

REASONS:  Everybody listens to the radio.  It influences our lives, our
	  political beliefs, musical tastes, purchasing habits, and
	  (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  Radio, in it's many
	  forms, is pervasive.  It is the only mass media in which
	  one can fully participate while engaged in another 
	  activity.  Amazingly, there is no Usenet newsgroup dedicated
	  to the overall topic of radio broadcasting.  


LIMITS:	  I do not envision rec.radio.broadcasting to be a
          replacement  for such groups as rec.radio.noncomm or
          rec.radio.shortwave. Rec.radio broadcasting (r.r.b) would
          try to avoid dealing with subjects which are directly and
          _specifically_ related to the charter(s) of these groups,
          but will gladly cover _any_ subject which has significance
     	  to radio broadcasting in general, even if it involves
   	  noncommercial or shortwave  stations.  R.r.b would be
	  likely to shy away from discussions (flame wars) about
    	  specific performers & bands, except as it pertains to radio
	  programming and formats (there are many .music groups on
	  the net for such discussions).

MODERATION:  I have proposed this as a moderated group.  I have also
	  volunteered to serve as that moderator.  I believe in a
	  very 'light-handed' approach to moderation.  Basically no 
	  more than a buffer, re-directing misplaced articles, attempting
	  to quell excessive 'free-for-all-flame-fests' :-), and trying
	  to keep the signal/noise ratio on the 'signal' side :-).  
	  *** I AM NOT A CENSOR ***.  I will NEVER kill an article 
	  because it clashes with my beliefs or opinions!  In addition,
	  I have my own dedicated Unix system with it's own direct
	  Internet e-mail feed, I have time and energy to dedicate
	  to the project, I have had a life-long involvement with
	  radio and communication, plus the wise counsel and support 
          of many in the industry, and on the net.

==============================================

TO VOTE YES, SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  (OMIT THE QUOTES)
TO VOTE NO,  SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  

(Note: be sure to address the vote EXACTLY as it appears above. Some
mailers require that you type a backslash \ prior to the @ symbol in
the address.  If you have trouble with the @ symbol, try this method.)


Only votes sent by e-mail, to the above address will be counted!  
Do not respond directly to this post.  Voting will end on 4/30/92.
No conditional votes will be accepted.  Votes should have a line in
the subject or body of the letter stating clear intent, such as..

"I vote yes on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed"
                    _OR_
"I vote no on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed" 

... or some similar non-ambiguous statement.  


If anyone desires direct correspondence with me on this subject, please
write to me at my personal e-mail address '[email protected]'.
However, I will not enter into any discussion of vote totals or
projections while the vote is underway.  

** VOTES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THE 'AIRWAVES' ADDRESS! ***

If your vote should bounce, re-send it (with the original bounced header 
in tact), to [email protected]  The sysadmin will place it in the correct
mailbox.

If (for some reason) the 'root' attempt bounces, send THAT attempt to me
at my airwaves address and I will deal with it.


Thanks to those who expressed support.

Respectfully

William Pfeiffer
[email protected]


============================  Voting Ack's ============================

If you do not see your name/address here, and you DID send a vote,
Please re-send it to the appropriate address above along with a note
saying that you DID vote, but that your vote was not ack'd. 

Thank you.


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 ANDREW WEISKOPF 
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 Andy Malis 
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 [email protected] (Barrey Jewall)
 [email protected] (Barry Mishkind)
 [email protected] (Karen Millar)
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 [email protected] (Bill Blomgren)
 B.J.  01-Apr-1992 1105 
 bolero.ati.com!duncan (Jim Duncan)
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 "Brandon Magee" 
 [email protected] (David H. Brown)
 broy%[email protected] (Binayak Roy)
 Bruce Klopfenstein
 [email protected] (Bruce Tannenbaum)
 "byrns-j" 
 [email protected] (Carl Rigney)
 [email protected] (Ed Evans - HBS/WSHB Sr Station Mgr)
 [email protected] (Charles E Jones)
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 Clayton Glad 
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 "crash and burn." 
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 "Curtis R. Anderson" 
 [email protected] (Christopher Ward)
 [email protected] (Damian Centgraf - WSHB Engineer)
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 Darren Ingram 
 Dave Ratcliffe 
 [email protected] (Dave Taffs)
 David De Trolio 
 "David L. Gants" 
 David W. Barts 
 [email protected] (Dean Dierschow)
 devmail!agahobuenh (Ken  More )
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 Doug Blair 
 [email protected] (Dave Wolgast)
 [email protected] (Greg Johns)
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 Ed Wright 
 [email protected] (Edward P. Piecewicz)
 [email protected] (Edward F Oliveri)
 [email protected] (David Richard)
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 Floyd Vest 
 "Gary D. Archer" 
 [email protected] (Greg Skinner)
 [email protected] (Tim Elliott)
 [email protected] (George Wilson)
 Grace Seibert 
 [email protected] (Daniel Gulino)
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 [email protected] (George Hickok ext 2621)
 [email protected] (Bob Hofkin)
 I met Elvis + lived... 
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 [email protected] (Israel Moskowitz)
 [email protected] (jonathan drout)
 [email protected] (Randell Jesup)
 [email protected] (Jeffrey Kaplan )
 [email protected] (Joe Moulins)
 "John DiLeo, CSB" 
 John G Dobnick 
 John Maraist 
 JOSHUA HOSSEINOFF 
 [email protected] (John R. Dennison)
 "Julian Lorkin" <[email protected]>
 Justin Decheck 
 Jyrki Kuoppala 
 [email protected] (Where did spring go?)
 "Kauto Huopio, OH5LFM" 
 [email protected] (Roger Keating)
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 Kenneth Suzan 
 "Kenton A. Hoover" 
 [email protected] (John E.Krauss)
 [email protected] (Kristin Scott)
 [email protected] (Chia-Liang Liu)
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 [email protected] (Malcolm Humes)
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 "Marianne Pierry" 
 "Mark C. Lawrence" 
 [email protected] (Mark Guidotti)
 "Maxime Taksar" 
 [email protected] (Mike Northam)
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 MER%[email protected] (M. E. Rappoport)     
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 Mitch Kazel 
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 [email protected] (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
 Nigel Wheatley 
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 Not Sure Who I Am 
 [email protected] (Mike Palmer)
 Patton M. Turner 
 [email protected] (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA)
 "Peter A. Clausen" 
 Peter Cherian Abraham 
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 [email protected] (Tim Pozar)
 [email protected] (Ralph Brandi)
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 "Richard Crowley, AL3-60, 503-642-6705" 
 Richard Mee 
 [email protected] (Richard O. Jones)
 [email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
 [email protected] (Risto Kotalampi)
 [email protected]
 rogue%cs.utexas.edu (Dwight Everhart)
 [email protected] (Admin)
 [email protected] (Rick Morrow)
 Ryan Christian Nelson 
 [email protected] (Steve A. Feinstein)
 Scott Fybush 
 Simon P Aulton 
 [email protected] (Scott Loftesness)
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 Steve Bauer 
 sv001.sandiego.ncr.com!kevin (Kevin Sanders 3602)
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 Thomas Lapp 
 [email protected] (Jorma M{ntyl{)
 Tim Myers 
 Timothy VanFosson 
 [email protected] (Ted Koppel)
 Tom Fitzgerald	
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 [email protected] (John Starta)
 [email protected] (William Graham)
 "V. Balaji" 
 [email protected] (Veli-Matti Anttila)
 Vince Mehringer 
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 [email protected] (Wayne Greene)
 YO-YO MAN 
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From [email protected] Mon Apr 20 12:47:01 1992
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From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK:  rec.radio.broadcasting moderated
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1992 14:53:08 GMT
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This is the _Third_ Call For Votes and second vote ack for the creation of a 
new Usenet newsgroup entitled 'rec.radio.broadcasting'.  For those of you who
have not yet seen the original CFV, I have included most of it in this 
posting.  At the end of the CFV, there is a mass ack of votes received between
April 9 - 16, 1992.  If you have not voted yet, and have an interest in this 
group, please vote now.

Voting will end April 30, 1992 at 12:00 midnight central daylight time.

Please read and follow voting guidelines carefully to assure that your vote 
will be counted, and that there will be no confusion.


============================ CFV  rec.radio.broadcasting ====================

STATUS:	  Moderated.


PURPOSE:  This group will be for the discussion of a wide variety of
	  subjects pertaining to the general arena of domestic radio
	  broadcasting.  Topics of discussion might include (but not
	  be limited to):  Programming, Engineering/Technical, Radio 
	  news and political coverage,  Challenges of secondary
          market stations, Innovations and legislation affecting
          the media, Historical and cultural significance,  Network radio,
          Domestic pirate broadcasting, Differences and similarities
	  in 'domestic' radio of various nations,  General items of
	  interest to broadcast professionals, hopefuls, affectionados,
	  and casual listeners, Assistance to those desiring to enter
	  the industry by providing a 'networking' infrastructure.

REASONS:  Everybody listens to the radio.  It influences our lives, our
	  political beliefs, musical tastes, purchasing habits, and
	  (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.  Radio, in it's many
	  forms, is pervasive.  It is the only mass media in which
	  one can fully participate while engaged in another 
	  activity.  Amazingly, there is no Usenet newsgroup dedicated
	  to the overall topic of radio broadcasting.  


LIMITS:	  I do not envision rec.radio.broadcasting to be a
          replacement  for such groups as rec.radio.noncomm or
          rec.radio.shortwave. Rec.radio broadcasting (r.r.b) would
          try to avoid dealing with subjects which are directly and
          _specifically_ related to the charter(s) of these groups,
          but will gladly cover _any_ subject which has significance
     	  to radio broadcasting in general, even if it involves
   	  noncommercial or shortwave  stations.  R.r.b would be
	  likely to shy away from discussions (flame wars) about
    	  specific performers & bands, except as it pertains to radio
	  programming and formats (there are many .music groups on
	  the net for such discussions).

MODERATION:  I have proposed this as a moderated group.  I have also
	  volunteered to serve as that moderator.  I believe in a
	  very 'light-handed' approach to moderation.  Basically no 
	  more than a buffer, re-directing misplaced articles, attempting
	  to quell excessive 'free-for-all-flame-fests' :-), and trying
	  to keep the signal/noise ratio on the 'signal' side :-).  
	  *** I AM NOT A CENSOR ***.  I will NEVER kill an article 
	  because it clashes with my beliefs or opinions!  In addition,
	  I have my own dedicated Unix system with it's own direct
	  Internet e-mail feed, I have time and energy to dedicate
	  to the project, I have had a life-long involvement with
	  radio and communication, plus the wise counsel and support 
          of many in the industry, and on the net.

==============================================

TO VOTE YES, SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  (OMIT THE QUOTES)
TO VOTE NO,  SEND E-MAIL TO '[email protected]'  

Only votes sent by e-mail, to the above address will be counted!  
Do not respond directly to this post.  Voting will end on 4/30/92.
No conditional votes will be accepted (I.E "I would vote [...] if [...] )

Votes should have a line in the subject or body of the letter stating clear 
intent, such as..

"I vote yes on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed"
                    _OR_
"I vote no on rec.radio.broadcasting as proposed" 

... or some similar non-ambiguous statement.  


If anyone desires direct correspondence with me on this subject, please
write to me at my personal e-mail address '[email protected]'.
However, I will not enter into any discussion of vote totals or
projections while the vote is underway.  

** VOTES WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AT THE 'AIRWAVES' ADDRESS! ***

If your vote should bounce, re-send it (with the original bounced header 
intact), to [email protected]  The sysadmin will place it in the correct
mailbox.

If (for some reason) the 'root' attempt bounces, send THAT attempt to me
at my airwaves address and I will deal with it.


Thanks to those who expressed support.

Respectfully

William Pfeiffer
[email protected]


============================  Voting Ack's ============================

These are votes received between April 9th and the 15th at the above
address(s).  Votes received before that were included in the first ack, and 
are not included here.

If you do not see your name/address here, and you DID send a vote 
between, say April 8th and 16th, Please re-send it to the appropriate address
above along with a note saying that you DID vote, but that your vote was not 
ack'd. 

Thank you.


"Dennis G. Rears " 
[email protected]
Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" 
[email protected] (Kurt A Melden)
[email protected] (John Covington WN4BBJ)
[email protected] (cs201329)
[email protected]
Dan Faulkner 
David DeBry 
Erica Roth 
[email protected] (Mark Feit)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Gary E Pratt)
[email protected] (Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP)
Harald Brinkmann 
"Hardcore Alaskan" 
James "P.N." Vaughton 
Jay Maynard 
[email protected] (Jonathan Bradshaw)
JESSON AS MR 
Joel B Levin 
John Peng-Yung Cheng 
[email protected] (Chris n Vickie)
[email protected] (Jeremy Styninger)
Loren Omoto <[email protected]>
Ludwig van Duane 
Mark Cox 
Matthew Ballantine 
[email protected]
Paul Stimpson 
[email protected]
"Seth Tisue" 
[email protected] ("Duckie" Shiau)
[email protected] (Steve Steinberg)
[email protected]
The Gary Allen Show 
[email protected]
Tom Limoncelli 
[email protected] (Tom Albrecht)
"W.DEVONPORT" 
[email protected] (Eric Weaver)
mcdchg!motatl!gatech!pavnet.pcn.org!pep (Phil Pavarini Jr.)
[email protected] (David Schwartz)

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From [email protected] Fri May  1 17:33:42 1992
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From: [email protected] (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: RESULT:  rec.radio.broadcasting passes 234: 34
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Voting on the proposed creation of rec.radio.broadcasting has 
ended as of 4/30/92.  The proposal received 234 yes votes
to 34 no votes, thus satisfying the Usenet criteria of both a 2/3
majority and 100 more yes votes than no votes, required for the
creation of this forum.

There were a few duplicate yes votes, which have been removed, no
switched votes, and a couple of no votes which did not strictly comply
with the voting guidelines, but were included anyway since intent 
seemed clear.  

CHARTER:  Rec.radio broadcasting is intended as a worldwide forum 
dedicated to discussion of subjects pertaining to 'domestic' radio
broadcasting.  By the term 'domestic', we mean radio which is intended 
basically for reception within the country from which it originates.
In other words any and all broadcasting which is not primarily intended for 
reception in other countries/continents.

Valid subjects might include (but not be limited to) ...

* Technical and engineering matters
* Programming and formats  (such as.. but not limited to..)
	* Music and entertainment
	* News & talk shows
	* Political coverage
	* Specialized formats 
* Legislation and regulations affecting the medium
* Technologies affecting the medium
* Ideas for improving radio broadcasting
* Differences and similatrities between nation's broadcast services
* Low-power radio broadcasting
* Community broadcast radio
* Pirate broadcasting
* Broadcast DX 
* Radio's historical & cultural significance
* Information exchanges for those seeking employment in radio.
* Shop talk, gabfesting and general communications between broadcast
  professionals, hopefuls and listeners across the globe!

About the only traffic which is NOT welcome on this group is..

# Flames and endless arguments over personal tastes in music/programming.
# Unwarranted and excessive profanity and/or personal attacks.
# Articles not pertaining to radio broadcasting. (*)
# Articles about two-way, cellular, or other non-broadcast radio services,
  unless they directly relate TO broadcasting. (*)

(*) - except matters of urgency to computer users, the public at-large,
      or other matters of great impact or importance.

While this WILL be a moderated forum, I will restate that I believe in
minimal moderation and _NO_ censorhip!  This means I will not kill any
incoming articles because they clash with some personal opinion or
belief.  In other words, the ONLY reasons that an article might be killed 
is if it falls into one of the above categories, or if it is one of
many identical responses to a posters question.  In the latter
case, I would post a few of the identical responses and e-mail the remainder
to the poster requesting the information, giving a credit line to those who
posted, but were not printed.  This is done to conserve net bandwidth.

So, without further adieu, here are the votes which came in over the past 
month starting with the YES votes:

     1	 [email protected]
     2	 [email protected]
     3	 "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" 
     4	 Alan Tai 
     5	 [email protected]
     6	 [email protected] (Kurt A Melden)
     7	 [email protected]
     8	 [email protected] (Andrea Donderi)
     9	 ANDREW WEISKOPF 
    10	 [email protected] (Andrew Bettison)
    11	 Andy Malis 
    12	 Arlen Diamond 
    13	 
    14	 [email protected]
    15	 [email protected] (Rusty Babani)
    16	 [email protected] (Barrey Jewall)
    17	 [email protected] (Barry Mishkind)
    18	 [email protected] (Karen Millar)
    19	 Benjamin Fan 
    20	 [email protected]
    21	 [email protected] (Bill Blomgren)
    22	 biwi 
    23	 B.J.  01-Apr-1992 1105 
    24	 bolero.ati.com!duncan (Jim Duncan)
    25	 bradford.ac.uk!R.A.Macgill 
    26	 "Brandon Magee" 
    27	 [email protected] (David H. Brown)
    28	 broy%[email protected] (Binayak Roy)
    29	 Bruce Klopfenstein
    30	 Bruce 'Loodvrij' Keeler 
    31	 [email protected]
    32	 [email protected] (Bruce Tannenbaum)
    33	 "Carl P. Zwanzig" 
    34	 Cedric Didier Baechler 
    35	 [email protected] (Ed Evans - HBS/WSHB Sr Station Mgr)
    36	 [email protected] (Charles E Jones)
    37	 [email protected] (Chris Hanson)
    38	 [email protected] (Charlie Mingo)
    39	 Chip (C.D.) Kelley 
    40	 Chris Johnson 
    41	 [email protected]
    42	 [email protected]
    43	 [email protected]
    44	 Coffeesaurus 
    45	 [email protected] (Patrick_Courtney)
    46	 "crash and burn." 
    47	 [email protected]
    48	 [email protected] (John Covington WN4BBJ)
    49	 [email protected] (cs201329)
    50	 [email protected]
    51	 "Curtis R. Anderson" 
    52	 [email protected] (Damian Centgraf - WSHB Engineer)
    53	 Dan Faulkner 
    54	 Daniel Gulino  [email protected]
    55	 [email protected]
    56	 Darren Ingram 
    57	 Dave Ratcliffe 
    58	 [email protected] (Dave Taffs)
    59	 David De Trolio 
    60	 David DeBry 
    61	 "David L. Gants" 
    62	 David W. Barts 
    63	 Davies P A 
    64	 [email protected] (Dennis Brewer)
    65	 [email protected] (Dean Dierschow)
    66	 Dennis Blyth 
    67	 Dennis G. Rears " 
    68	 devmail!agahobuenh (Ken  More )
    69	 [email protected]
    70	 [email protected] (Mourad Dhina)
    71	 [email protected]
    72	 [email protected] (Daniel M. Rosenberg)
    73	 Doug Blair 
    74	 [email protected] (Dave Wolgast)
    75	 [email protected] (Nancy Ann Duxbury)
    76	 [email protected] (Greg Johns)
    77	 eb%[email protected] (Eric Benson)
    78	 Ed Wright 
    79	 [email protected] (Carlo Sgro)
    80	 [email protected] (Edward F Oliveri)
    81	 Eric Funk 
    82	 Erica Roth 
    83	 [email protected] (David Richard)
    84	 [email protected] (Mark Feit)
    85	 [email protected]
    86	 Floyd Vest 
    87	 [email protected] (Shang-Yung Wang (035)715131ext3289)
    88	 "Gary R. Smith KE9MI" 
    89	 [email protected] (Greg Skinner)
    90	 [email protected] (Tim Elliott)
    91	 [email protected] (George Wilson)
    92	 [email protected]
    93	 [email protected]
    94	 [email protected] (Gary E Pratt)
    95	 Grace Seibert 
    96	 [email protected]
    97	 Harald Brinkmann 
    98	 "Hardcore Alaskan" 
    99	 [email protected] (Stephen R. Harding)
   100	 [email protected] (Guy Haskin)
   101	 [email protected]
   102	 [email protected] (George Hickok ext 2621)
   103	 [email protected] (Bob Hofkin)
   104	 [email protected] (Larry Hunter)
   105	 I met Elvis + lived... 
   106	 iadmr%[email protected] (Mark Rogstad)
   107	 [email protected] (Robert White)
   108	 [email protected] (Frog's Experimental Account)
   109	 [email protected] (Israel Moskowitz)
   110	 J Paul Holbrook 
   111	 James "P.N." Vaughton 
   112	 [email protected] (Jonathan Bradshaw)
   113	 [email protected] (jonathan drout)
   114	 [email protected] (Maurice Smeets, Jr)
   115	 JESSON AS MR 
   116	 [email protected] (Randell Jesup)
   117	 [email protected] (Jeffrey Kaplan )
   118	 Joel B Levin 
   119	 [email protected] (Joe Moulins)
   120	 "John DiLeo, CSB" 
   121	 John G Dobnick 
   122	 John Magnus Collins 
   123	 John Maraist 
   124	 [email protected] (John R. Dennison)
   125	 "Julian Lorkin" <[email protected]>
   126	 Justin Decheck 
   127	 Jyrki Kuoppala 
   128	 [email protected] (Where did spring go?)
   129	 [email protected] (Chris n Vickie)
   130	 "Kauto Huopio, OH5LFM" 
   131	 [email protected] (Roger Keating)
   132	 [email protected]
   133	 Kenneth Suzan 
   134	 [email protected] (Kristin Scott)
   135	 [email protected] (Jeremy Styninger)
   136	 [email protected] (Chia-Liang Liu)
   137	 Loren Omoto <[email protected]>
   138	 Ludwig van Duane 
   139	 [email protected]
   140	 [email protected] (Steve Otruba)
   141	 [email protected]
   142	 [email protected] (Malcolm Humes)
   143	 [email protected]
   144	 [email protected] (Marck L. Bailey)
   145	 "Marianne Pierry" 
   146	 [email protected]
   147	 "Mark C. Lawrence" 
   148	 Mark Cox 
   149	 "Mark E. Bailey" 
   150	 [email protected] (Mark Guidotti)
   151	 Matteo Cardin 274008 
   152	 Matthew Ballantine 
   153	 Matthew Lyle 
   154	 "Maxime Taksar" 
   155	 [email protected] (Mike Northam)
   156	 [email protected] (Mike Butts)
   157	 nbc1.ge.com!stone (Anthony Stone)
   158	 mcdchg!motatl!gatech!pavnet.pcn.org!pep (Phil Pavarini Jr.)
   159	 [email protected] (Marc Gabriel)
   160	 [email protected]
   161	 [email protected] (Michael of Nebadon)
   162	 [email protected]
   163	 [email protected] (Michael Rygol)
   164	 [email protected]
   165	 [email protected]
   166	 Mitch Kazel 
   167	 [email protected]
   168	 [email protected] (MIKE WARD)
   169	 [email protected]
   170	 [email protected] (Stephen Bashore)
   171	 [email protected] (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
   172	 Nigel Wheatley 
   173	 [email protected]
   174	 Not Sure Who I Am 
   175	 Patton M. Turner 
   176	 Paul Stimpson 
   177	 [email protected]
   178	 [email protected] (Phil Howard KA9WGN / I am the NRA)
   179	 "Peter A. Clausen" 
   180	 Peter Cherian Abraham 
   181	 [email protected]
   182	 [email protected] (Tim Pozar)
   183	 [email protected]
   184	 [email protected] (Andrew Reynhout)
   185	 [email protected]
   186	 [email protected]
   187	 "Richard Crowley, AL3-60, 503-642-6705" 
   188	 Richard Mee 
   189	 [email protected] (Richard O. Jones)
   190	 Rick Nimtz 
   191	 [email protected] (Risto Kotalampi)
   192	 [email protected] (Robert E. Link)
   193	 rogue%cs.utexas.edu (Dwight Everhart)
   194	 [email protected] (Admin)
   195	 [email protected]
   196	 [email protected] (Rick Morrow)
   197	 Ryan Christian Nelson 
   198	 [email protected]etcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein)
   199	 [email protected]
   200	 Scott Fybush 
   201	 "Seth Klein" 
   202	 "Seth Tisue" 
   203	 Simon P Aulton 
   204	 [email protected] (Scott Loftesness)
   205	 [email protected] (Scott P. Toenniessen)
   206	 [email protected] (Steve Steinberg)
   207	 Steve Bauer 
   208	 [email protected]
   209	 STUWILKR%[email protected]
   210	 The Gary Allen Show 
   211	 The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
   212	 THEY CALL ME RIGHTOUS 
   213	 Thomas Lapp 
   214	 Tim Myers 
   215	 [email protected] (Ted Koppel)
   216	 To make no mistakes - make no decisions 
   217	 [email protected]
   218	 Tom Limoncelli 
   219	 Tony Joines 
   220	 [email protected] (Kelly Reese)
   221	 [email protected] (John Starta)
   222	 U of E Radio 
   223	 [email protected] (William Graham)
   224	 [email protected] (Veli-Matti Anttila)
   225	 [email protected] (Robert F Casey)
   226	 "W.DEVONPORT" 
   227	 [email protected] (Eric Weaver)
   228	 WEOS-FM 
   229	 "WFFT - Radio, F M Operations" 
   230	 [email protected] (Wayne Greene)
   231	 What's with the 3 watches? 
   232	 YO-YO MAN 
   233	 Zimri Smith 
   234	 zygot.ati.com!john (John Higdon)
       


These people votes no;


     1	 V. Balaji" 
     2	 [email protected] (Randall Atkinson)
     3	 [email protected] (LT J.D. Baldwin)
     4	 bongo.info.com!julian (Julian Macassey)
     5	 brspyr1.brs.com!schwartz (David Schwartz)
     6	 "byrns-j" 
     7	 [email protected] (Carl Rigney)
     8	 Clayton Glad 
     9	 [email protected] (Christopher Ward)
    10	 David L. Wilson 
    11	  (Eli Messinger)
    12	 [email protected] (Edward P. Piecewicz)
    13	 [email protected] (Evan L. Marcus [Fusion Systems Group, Ltd.])
    14	 "Gary D. Archer" 
    15	 [email protected] (Tracy K. Wood/KD0UP)
    16	 Jay Maynard 
    17	 John Peng-Yung Cheng 
    18	 JOSHUA HOSSEINOFF 
    19	 "Kenton A. Hoover" 
    20	 [email protected] (John E.Krauss)
    21	 [email protected] (mehta)
    22	 [email protected] (Mike Palmer)
    23	 [email protected] (Ralph Brandi)
    24	 [email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
    25	 
    26	 Rodney Chen 
    27	 [email protected] ("Duckie" Shiau)
    28	 [email protected]
    29	 sv001.sandiego.ncr.com!kevin (Kevin Sanders 3602)
    30	 Timothy VanFosson 
    31	 Tom Fitzgerald	
    32	 [email protected] (Tommy Olsen)
    33	 [email protected] (Tom Albrecht)
    34	 Vince Mehringer 


After the 5 day waiting period, baring and 'serious' objection, 
rec.radio.broadcasting should be newgrouped and appear at your site.

If your site does not carry rec.* groups, contact me for information
on direct posting, and possible e-mail distribution.

My e-mail address is  [email protected] (William Pfeiffer)

Thanks to all who participated.
 	
William

From [email protected] Tue Sep 12 10:45:22 1995
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Subject: RFD:  rec.radio.broadcasting
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This is a call for discussion on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup,
tentitively entitled rec.radio.broadcasting. I am proposing that this
newsgroup be moderated, and barring any serious objection, I am offering 
my time and energy to BE that moderator.

As the 'statement of charter' indicates, I believe that a group of this
type is needed on Usenet because there is no current newsgroup dealing 
with the general subject of radio broadcasting. Yet radio is, arguably,
the most consumed of all mass media, in terms of actual person/hours
of exposure.  People listen to radio in their cars, in their offices, 
while jogging, dining, reading, getting ready for work, commuting, 
and just about any other conceivable activity. Radio shapes our opinions,
perceptions, musical tastes, and (hopefully) stimulates our imagination.

For these reasons, and others, I propose the creation of this newsgroup.

I suggest a 'moderated' format, for these reasons.

1) A properly moderated group generally produces a more concise and
   cohesive product w/less "net-clutter" and a higher signal/noise ratio.

2) If the moderator is knowledgable in the subject matter covered in
   the newsgroup, s/he can be of assistance in responding to questions
   posed to the group which might, otherwise, go un-answered.

3) Moderation of a newsgroup means different things to differnet people.  
   My concept of moderation is simply to act as a buffer, weeding out
   test messages, repetitive, abusive or 'grossly off topic' messages,
   and to re-direct misplaced articles to appropriate newsgroups, where
   possible.

I am an experienced broadcaster, and have had an avid interest in the 
medium since early childhood.  I would consider moderating this group
an honor and a pleasure, because of my respect for the medium, and the 
people in it.  Plus, I have time and willingness to dedicate to such a 
project.  

The tentitive name of 'rec.radio.broadcasting' (r.r.b) is, of course, open
to change if a better title can be created.  While the charter of the
group suggests potential topics which are not specifically recreational, 
I tend to feel that 'rec' might be the be the most appropriate heading since 
the only other Usenet group dealing with domestic broadcast radio 
(rec.radio.noncomm) uses this heading and therefore r.r.b would be
a good companion group. 

I considered the name 'talk.radio.broadcasting', but felt there might
be a misunderstanding that the group was centered around the 'talk radio'
format.  Perhaps something like 'talk.broadcasting.radio' might be 
a good alternative, but that will be determined by you folks
"out there in Usenet-land" :), assuming that the process gets that far.  

I do not envision r.r.b to be a replacement for any other newsgroup,
including rec.radio.noncomm.  The latter group's focus is on a specific
genre of radio and therfore I feel the two groups would compliment,
rather than compete with, one another.  


   ****** Statement of charter; rec.radio.broadcasting. *********

Rec.radio.broadcasting (r.r.b) will be for discussion of a wide variety of
subjects pertaining to the general arena of entertainment/information
radio.  While not specifically limited to North American broadcasting,
r.r.b will avoid dealing with international (shortwave) broadcasts
because this topic is already being handled in rec.radio.shortwave.

Valid subjects for discussion might include (but not be limited to);

1) Programming and formats 
2) Technical and engineering matters 
3) Concerns of smaller market stations
4) Innovations and legislation affecting the medium                    
   (and those attempting to enter it)
5) Radio's historical & cultural significance
6) Radio news coverage and it's impact on our nation and our world. 
7) Audience input and ideas for improving the state of radio broadcasting.


Since rec.radio.noncommercial is the only Usenet group pertaining to 
domestic broadcast radio, r.r.b would provide a forum for those 
individuals who's interest in the medium is not limited to the 
non-commercial arena.  I believe this group would be of great
interest to Usenet participants because ...
 
1) Everybody listens to, and is affected by, radio broadcasting.  It
   is the only mass media in which one can fully participate, while
   engaged in another activity.

2) Colleges and universities currently train, and graduate, thousands of
   potential radio professionals every year.  These individuals would
   be very likely to participate in such a forum to discuss and compare
   notes on their chosen field of endeavor.  

3) The face of radio is always changing. Satellite feeds, automation,
   and other influences are molding the future of the medium.  This
   newsgroup would be a link between interested parties from all corners
   of the industry, keeping one-another up to date on the latest trends
   impacting radio broadcasting in America an beyond.

********************** End Of Statement Of Charter *********************

I welcome your comments and suggestions. If all goes reasonably well
I will be putting out a 'Call For Votes' in about a month and hopefully
the Usenet community will agree that such a group would be a valuable
addition to it's heirarchy.  Since this is not a proposal for 'splitting'
an existing newsgroup, but rather for the creation of a group to fill
a 'vacancy', I hope you will seriously consider a positive response to
this proposal even if you, yourself, are not particularily involved
or interested in broadcasting.  Such a group could only augment the 
already diverse spectrum of Usenet newsgroups.

Feel encouraged to post responses to news.groups, and/or to e-mail me
directly at the following address.

[email protected]
    
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[email protected]

Thank you.

William D. Pfeiffer

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