From [email protected] Mon Feb 17 23:49:26 1992 Flags: 000000000201 To: [email protected] Path: bbn!bbn.com!levin From: Joel B LevinNewsgroups: news.announce.newgroups Subject: CALL FOR VOTES - rec.arts.cinema Date: 22 Jan 90 20:14:16 GMT Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: Joel B Levin Followup-To: news.groups Organization: BBN Communications Corporation Lines: 91 Keywords: posted More than sufficient time for discussion having elapsed, the official CALL FOR VOTES for rec.arts.cinema is being issued. After full consideration of all opinions received, we have decided to put the proposal under this name, with moderation, up for a vote. If you vote for or against this proposal specifically because of one of these issues, I'd be interested to know this; I'll attempt to summarize such additional information after the vote. VOTING INSTRUCTIONS: Please send your vote to [email protected] (Internet or uucp; old style {backbone}!bbn!levin should work, too). or reply to this article. Conditional or ambiguous votes will not be counted; please state clearly whether you are voting FOR or AGAINST rec.arts.cinema as proposed. Votes must be received by noon (EST) on Tuesday, 13 February, 1990. /JBL (official vote taker; Rich Shapiro has moved and his net access appears to be spotty. ===================================== CHARTER: REC.ARTS.CINEMA This is a moderated group intended for serious articles addressing any and all aspects of cinema. Topics appropriate for discussion include (BUT ARE BY NO MEANS LIMITED TO) the following: -- cinematic techniques -- comparative analysis between cinema and other mediums of artistic expression -- film history -- cinema as an entertainment medium -- cinema as popular culture -- interpretation or analysis of a particular film or set of films -- financial, social, or legal issues that affect filmmaking (and vice versa) -- the quality and/or success of film festivals and other film-related events -- and any other topic related to film that people want to discuss in a serious way. The following criteria shall be among those used by the moderator to decide whether an article is acceptable or not: -- Is the article making a sincere argument? A more precise way to phrase this might be: does the author truly expect the readers to believe the points being made? Or a third way: is the article intellectually honest? -- Are the points being made in the article cogent and consistent? Have any important facts or data relevant to the issues being discussed been left out? Are there any gaping holes in the fundamental assumptions or the logic being professed? -- Is the article likely to be correctly understood? If the moderator determines that an article is likely to be misunderstood, it will be returned to the author for clarification. The moderator will not alter an article in any way unless the author indicates that this is acceptable. The moderator will not reject an article solely on the basis of minor spelling or grammatical errors. Items that are specifically excluded from rec.arts.cinema: -- Any kind of trivia questions/answers/games: use r.a.m instead -- Simple lists (eg, movies made by director X): use r.a.m instead -- Simple factual queries (eg "Who starred in x"): use r.a.m instead -- Movie reviews (as opposed to analysis): use r.a.m.reviews instead -- Queries/Reports of video availability: use r.v.software if it passes -- Flames: If you are genuinely outraged by an article, count to 10, collect your thoughts, and write another article in response. Otherwise, the moderator will feel free to hose you to help you cool off. Moderator: Manavendra Thakur ===================================== Nets: [email protected] | "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's or {...}!bbn!levin | bureau that morning. Wide-eyed and distraught, she POTS: (617)873-3463 | stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor." From [email protected] Mon Feb 17 23:54:04 1992 Flags: 000000000201 To: [email protected] Path: bbn!bbn.com!levin From: Joel B Levin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,rec.arts.movies,news.groups,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf-lovers,rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.misc Subject: rec.arts.cinema SECOND CALL FOR VOTES Date: 31 Jan 90 12:47:20 GMT Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: Joel B Levin Organization: BBN Communications Corporation Lines: 97 Keywords: posted The vote is in progress and going well. I have attempted to acknowledge each vote; to date I have received only two bounces, one of which I think was successfully resolved, so I'm not including a list of voters in this call. Many voters are indicating what in particular has induced them to vote for or against the group. I will tally what these after completion of the vote. VOTING INSTRUCTIONS: Please send your vote to [email protected] (Internet or uucp; old style {backbone}!bbn!levin should work, too). or reply to this article. Conditional or ambiguous votes will not be counted; please state clearly whether you are voting FOR or AGAINST rec.arts.cinema as proposed. Votes must be received by noon (EST) on Tuesday, 13 February, 1990. /JBL (official vote taker; Rich Shapiro has moved and his net access appears to be spotty. ===================================== CHARTER: REC.ARTS.CINEMA This is a moderated group intended for serious articles addressing any and all aspects of cinema. Topics appropriate for discussion include (BUT ARE BY NO MEANS LIMITED TO) the following: -- cinematic techniques -- comparative analysis between cinema and other mediums of artistic expression -- film history -- cinema as an entertainment medium -- cinema as popular culture -- interpretation or analysis of a particular film or set of films -- financial, social, or legal issues that affect filmmaking (and vice versa) -- the quality and/or success of film festivals and other film-related events -- and any other topic related to film that people want to discuss in a serious way. The following criteria shall be among those used by the moderator to decide whether an article is acceptable or not: -- Is the article making a sincere argument? A more precise way to phrase this might be: does the author truly expect the readers to believe the points being made? Or a third way: is the article intellectually honest? -- Are the points being made in the article cogent and consistent? Have any important facts or data relevant to the issues being discussed been left out? Are there any gaping holes in the fundamental assumptions or the logic being professed? -- Is the article likely to be correctly understood? If the moderator determines that an article is likely to be misunderstood, it will be returned to the author for clarification. The moderator will not alter an article in any way unless the author indicates that this is acceptable. The moderator will not reject an article solely on the basis of minor spelling or grammatical errors. Items that are specifically excluded from rec.arts.cinema: -- Any kind of trivia questions/answers/games: use r.a.m instead -- Simple lists (eg, movies made by director X): use r.a.m instead -- Simple factual queries (eg "Who starred in x"): use r.a.m instead -- Movie reviews (as opposed to analysis): use r.a.m.reviews instead -- Queries/Reports of video availability: use r.v.software if it passes -- Flames: If you are genuinely outraged by an article, count to 10, collect your thoughts, and write another article in response. Otherwise, the moderator will feel free to hose you to help you cool off. Moderator: Manavendra Thakur ===================================== Nets: [email protected] | "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's or {...}!bbn!levin | bureau that morning. Wide-eyed and distraught, she POTS: (617)873-3463 | stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor." Nets: [email protected] | "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's or {...}!bbn!levin | bureau that morning. Wide-eyed and distraught, she POTS: (617)873-3463 | stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor." From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:05:54 1992 Flags: 000000000201 To: [email protected] Path: bbn!bbn.com!levin From: Joel B Levin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.movies Subject: rec.arts.cinema FINAL Call For Votes Summary: Deadline is Tuesday February 13 at NOON EST Date: 8 Feb 90 20:53:22 GMT Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: Joel B Levin Organization: BBN Communications Corporation Lines: 282 Keywords: posted This is the final call for votes for rec.arts.cinema. The charter is repeated below, followed by the unaudited list of 189 voters we have heard from. The list is sorted in "random dictionary" order, meaning that the alphabetic key might be your user name, your first name, your host's name, or the name of some gatebway. VOTING INSTRUCTIONS: Please send your vote to [email protected] (Internet or uucp; old style {backbone}!bbn!levin should work, too). or reply to this article. Conditional or ambiguous votes will not be counted; please state clearly whether you are voting FOR or AGAINST rec.arts.cinema as proposed. Votes must be received by noon (EST) on Tuesday, 13 February, 1990. /JBL ===================================== CHARTER: REC.ARTS.CINEMA This is a moderated group intended for serious articles addressing any and all aspects of cinema. Topics appropriate for discussion include (BUT ARE BY NO MEANS LIMITED TO) the following: -- cinematic techniques -- comparative analysis between cinema and other mediums of artistic expression -- film history -- cinema as an entertainment medium -- cinema as popular culture -- interpretation or analysis of a particular film or set of films -- financial, social, or legal issues that affect filmmaking (and vice versa) -- the quality and/or success of film festivals and other film-related events -- and any other topic related to film that people want to discuss in a serious way. The following criteria shall be among those used by the moderator to decide whether an article is acceptable or not: -- Is the article making a sincere argument? A more precise way to phrase this might be: does the author truly expect the readers to believe the points being made? Or a third way: is the article intellectually honest? -- Are the points being made in the article cogent and consistent? Have any important facts or data relevant to the issues being discussed been left out? Are there any gaping holes in the fundamental assumptions or the logic being professed? -- Is the article likely to be correctly understood? If the moderator determines that an article is likely to be misunderstood, it will be returned to the author for clarification. The moderator will not alter an article in any way unless the author indicates that this is acceptable. The moderator will not reject an article solely on the basis of minor spelling or grammatical errors. Items that are specifically excluded from rec.arts.cinema: -- Any kind of trivia questions/answers/games: use r.a.m instead -- Simple lists (eg, movies made by director X): use r.a.m instead -- Simple factual queries (eg "Who starred in x"): use r.a.m instead -- Movie reviews (as opposed to analysis): use r.a.m.reviews instead -- Queries/Reports of video availability: use r.v.software if it passes -- Flames: If you are genuinely outraged by an article, count to 10, collect your thoughts, and write another article in response. Otherwise, the moderator will feel free to hose you to help you cool off. Moderator: Manavendra Thakur ===================================== Here follows the list of voters heard from so far: [email protected] (Alan L. Brushaber) [email protected] Andrei State [email protected] (robert john connor) [email protected] (Michael T. Sullivan) [email protected] (Richard Shapiro) [email protected] (Alan Char) [email protected] (Matthew Austern) bam%[email protected] (Brian McClendon) Bengt Larsson Betsy Perry [email protected] (Bruce Cohen) [email protected] (Bill Kennedy) [email protected] Blair A. Seidler [email protected] (Rich Skrenta) [email protected] (Brian Matthews) [email protected] (Bobby Bodenheimer) [email protected] (Bob Lindabury) [email protected] [email protected] (Blair P. Houghton) [email protected] (Chris Brougham) Bruce Hamilton Bruce Schatz [email protected] [email protected] (Carlo Sgro) Cathleen Reiher cchin%[email protected] (Chet Chin) [email protected] (Craig E. Ward) cirrusl!carey (Mike Carey) cj%[email protected] (C J Silverio) [email protected] (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) Colin Needham [email protected] [email protected] D Neilson Dale C. Cook Dan Schlitt [email protected] Darin McGrew David Chalmers David Yang [email protected] (David Kuder) dhanna%[email protected] (Sioux Hanna) [email protected] (Dian De Sha) [email protected] ( Marylynn Orzeckowski,STDA,x6210) Dorai Sitaram [email protected] (Doug Grant) [email protected] (David I Seah) [email protected] (Mail login) [email protected] Ed Hall Ed Parlette [email protected] (Ed Bailey) [email protected] (Elizabeth Lear) [email protected] Eric Dashman Eric J Peterson [email protected] (Eric Majani) [email protected] Frank W. Peters [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Garret Toomey) George Drettakis [email protected] (Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan) gore%[email protected] (Nancy Gore) Graeme Mullin [email protected] (Greg Barnes) Gunnar Ekolin [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Christopher Hassell) [email protected] [email protected] (Howard Gayle) HOWELLS @ KRYPTON.ARC.NASA.GOV (John Howells) [email protected] (Harv Laser) [email protected] J.Bryce Rumbles [email protected] (Jan Frelin) [email protected] (Jean Kim) Jeff Dalton [email protected] (Jeff Leyser) [email protected] (John F. Haugh II) [email protected] (Joe Keane) [email protected] (Jeremy Grodberg) [email protected] (Jim Horne) Jim Roche JMIvler = uunet!devsim.mdcbbs.com!jmi [email protected] Jo Ellen McCoy [email protected] [email protected] (Jon Corelis) [email protected] (JIM PICKERING) [email protected] (J. S. B'ach) [email protected] (James Preston) [email protected] (James Wilbur Lewis) [email protected] (Keeper of the Flame) [email protected] (Jim Kan) [email protected] (Kevin Rushforth) [email protected] (Krishna E. Bera) Ken Whang 2-4154 Box 8108 [email protected] (Jyrki Kimmel) [email protected] (J. Kivi Shapiro) [email protected] (John Martin) [email protected] (Kurt) [email protected] (Paul Martenis) Louis Blair Lyle A. Brenner Manavendra K. Thakur Maria D. Maggio Mark Brader Mark Laventhal [email protected] Metafont Consultant Account Michael Kaye [email protected] Mitchell F. Wyle Mitchell Marks [email protected] (Michael J Weber) [email protected] (Mark Mitchell) Monique Benarrosh [email protected] (Jeff Meyer) morrison%[email protected] (Brad Morrison) moss%[email protected] (Eliot Moss) [email protected] (Michael P. Campbell) [email protected] (Nick Sayer) munnari!aaii.oz.au!felix%[email protected] [email protected] (MAJOR) [email protected] (Benjamin G. Golding) [email protected] [email protected] (Myra VanInwegen) [email protected] (Nimal Ratnayake) [email protected] (Peter Mutsaers) [email protected] [email protected] (Olof Bj|rner) [email protected] (B. S. Oplinger) Patricia O Tuama Patrick Catapano Patrick Chaney Paul Maclauchlan [email protected] [email protected] (Michael Macmillan) Pete Harlan [email protected] (Bill Carson) [email protected] (Paul Hilcoff) [email protected] [email protected] (Robert Dorsett) [email protected] (Peter Reiher) repo!rae@alias (Reid Ellis) [email protected] Richard White [email protected] (Richard Sexton) rick@pavlov (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] Robert Mollitor Ron Buckmire [email protected] (Rick Gillespie) [email protected] (Steve Jacquot) [email protected] sboyce%[email protected] (Steven Boyce) sboztas%[email protected] (Serdar Boztas) [email protected] (mark schlatter) [email protected] (Chris Andersen ("The Dangerous Guy")) [email protected] (Ken Shirriff) [email protected] (Subrata Sircar) [email protected] Stanier A Steve Baumgarten Steve Crooks Steve Fagg Steve Kaminski Steve Scher Stewart M. Clamen [email protected] [email protected] (Are there any questions?) [email protected] (Terry Gaasterland) Thomas Krueger [email protected] (Tom Jaskiewicz) Tom Markson Ulf Dahlen [email protected] (Ulf Lagerstedt) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] William Tsun-Yuk Hsu [email protected] yoda%[email protected] (Sean Yoda Rouse) [email protected] (Alexios Zavras) ===================================== Nets: [email protected] | "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's or {...}!bbn!levin | bureau that morning. Wide-eyed and distraught, she POTS: (617)873-3463 | stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor." From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:10:52 1992 Flags: 000000000201 From: Joel B Levin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups Subject: REC.ARTS.CINEMA: results and voter lists Date: 13 Feb 90 21:36:35 GMT Reply-To: Joel B Levin Organization: BBN Communications Corporation Followup-to: news.groups Keywords: posted The voting deadline was noon today (EST). By that time, 226 votes had been received: 176 in favor, 50 opposed. By the criteria established by the guidelines (Y > N + 100 and Y > 2*N), rec.arts.cinema is approved. The five day waiting period will end on Sunday. Monday is a holiday here (and I won't see my weekend mail till Tuesday), so I will wait till Tuesday February 20 to ask Chuq to create the group, assuming that correction of counting errors, lost votes, etc., does not change the result. The list of voters follows, sorted mostly in alphabetical order by name (login or full) as extracted from the From: line where possible. I have spent some time with these lists and believe I have eliminated duplicate votes (at least the obvious ones!). I will keep the actual votes on line for some period of time in case questions arise. I have been putting aside comments on why people voted for or against the group. I will do a little categorizing and counting, and in a day or so I'll post that information. Finally, I would like to thank those who voted both for taking the trouble and for the manner in which they did so. Those who judge the newsgroup creation process by articles posted to news.groups might be surprised at the nature of my mail the past three weeks or so, containing not one message which could even by a long stretch considered rude or inflamatory. = = = = = = = YES VOTES (176) [email protected] (Alan L. Brushaber) [email protected] Andrei State [email protected] (Matthew Austern) bam%[email protected] (Brian McClendon) bandy%[email protected] Bengt Larsson Betsy Perry bgg%[email protected] (Benjamin G. Golding) [email protected] (Bruce Cohen) Blair A. Seidler bobal%[email protected] [email protected] (Bob Lindabury) [email protected] boyd%[email protected] brighton%[email protected] (Bill Carson) [email protected] (Chris Brougham) Bruce Hamilton Bruce Schatz carey@cirrusl (Mike Carey) [email protected] (Carlo Sgro) Cathleen Reiher cchin%[email protected] (Chet Chin) [email protected] (Craig E. Ward) chris%[email protected] (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy)) cj%[email protected] (C J Silverio) [email protected] (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) Colin Needham [email protected] [email protected] D Neilson Dale C. Cook Dan Schlitt [email protected] Darin McGrew dasilva%[email protected] (Ruieta DaSilva) [email protected] (Dave Kraft) David Chalmers David Yang [email protected] (David Kuder) [email protected] (Dian De Sha) Dorai Sitaram [email protected] (Doug Grant) dougm%[email protected] [email protected] (David I Seah) [email protected] (Alden Willis) [email protected] Ed Parlette [email protected] (Ed Bailey) [email protected] Eric Dashman Eric J Peterson [email protected] (Eric Majani) [email protected] (of Dreams and Shadows) felix%[email protected] Frank W. Peters [email protected] [email protected] George Drettakis [email protected] (Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan) good%[email protected] (Are there any questions?) gore%[email protected] (Nancy Gore) Graeme Mullin [email protected] (Greg Barnes) Gunnar Ekolin [email protected] [email protected] (Christopher Hassell) [email protected] (Howard Gayle) HOWELLS @ KRYPTON.ARC.NASA.GOV (John Howells) [email protected] (Harv Laser) istda11%[email protected] ( Marylynn Orzeckowski,STDA,x6210) J.Bryce Rumbles [email protected] (Jan Frelin) Jeff Dalton [email protected] (Jeff Leyser) [email protected] (Joe Keane) [email protected] (Jeremy Grodberg) JHenderson [email protected] (Jim Horne) JMIvler = uunet!devsim.mdcbbs.com!jmi [email protected] johnm%[email protected] (John Martin) [email protected] (Jon Corelis) Joseph Nave [email protected] (JIM PICKERING) [email protected] (J. S. B'ach) [email protected] (Keeper of the Flame) [email protected] [email protected] (Jim Kan) karen%[email protected] Karl-Gunnar Hultland [email protected] (Kevin Rushforth) [email protected] (Krishna E. Bera) keithd%[email protected] (Keith Duddy) Ken Whang 2-4154 Box 8108 [email protected] (Jyrki Kimmel) [email protected] (J. Kivi Shapiro) kreme%[email protected] (Mail login) [email protected] (Kurt) Lawrence E. Evans [email protected] (Paul Martenis) logan%[email protected] (Christy Logan) Lyle A. Brenner major%[email protected] (MAJOR) Manavendra K. Thakur Maria D. Maggio Mark Boltz Mark Brader Mark Laventhal Mark Reinhold [email protected] Metafont Consultant Account Michael Trogni Mitchell E. Gold Mitchell F. Wyle Mitchell Marks [email protected] (Mark Mitchell) mmac%[email protected] (Michael Macmillan) Monique Benarrosh [email protected] (Jeff Meyer) morrison%[email protected] (Brad Morrison) moss%[email protected] (Eliot Moss) [email protected] (Michael P. Campbell) [email protected] [email protected] (Myra VanInwegen) [email protected] (Nimal Ratnayake) [email protected] (Olof Bj|rner) [email protected] (B. S. Oplinger) Patrick Catapano Patrick Chaney Paul Maclauchlan [email protected] [email protected] (Paul Hilcoff) [email protected] rae%repo@alias (Reid Ellis) [email protected] (Robert Dorsett) [email protected] (Peter Reiher) [email protected] [email protected] Robert E. Raper Robert Mollitor Ron Buckmire rshapiro%[email protected] (Richard Shapiro) [email protected] (Rick Gillespie) [email protected] sboyce%[email protected] (Steven Boyce) sboztas%[email protected] (Serdar Boztas) [email protected] (mark schlatter) [email protected] (Ken Shirriff) skrenta%[email protected] (Rich Skrenta) [email protected] (Subrata Sircar) [email protected] [email protected] Stanier A Stephen K Mulrine Steve Baumgarten Steve Crooks Steve Fagg Steve Kaminski Steve Scher Stewart M. Clamen [email protected] Tad Cook Tak Ariga [email protected] [email protected] (Terry Gaasterland) Thomas Krueger Tom Jacob Ulf Dahlen [email protected] (Ulf Lagerstedt) [email protected] [email protected] whartonb%[email protected] William Tsun-Yuk Hsu yoda%[email protected] (Sean Yoda Rouse) [email protected] (Alexios Zavras) = = = = = = = NO VOTES (50) achar%[email protected] (Alan Char) ado%[email protected] (Arthur David Olson) [email protected] (robert john connor) Bill Wisner [email protected] (Bill Kennedy) [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Matthews) [email protected] (Bobby Bodenheimer) [email protected] (Blair P. Houghton) Charleen Bunjiovianna [email protected] ( Dave Hill) dewey%[email protected] (Dewey Henize) dhanna%[email protected] (Sioux Hanna) Ed Hall [email protected] (Elizabeth Lear) [email protected] (Garret Toomey) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Jamie Andrews [email protected] (Jean Kim) [email protected] (John F. Haugh II) Jim Pryor Jim Roche Jo Ellen McCoy [email protected] (James Preston) [email protected] (James Wilbur Lewis) [email protected] (Stephen King) Louis Blair [email protected] (Thomas Maddox) Michael Kaye [email protected] (Michael J Weber) [email protected] (Nick Sayer) [email protected] (Peter Mutsaers) [email protected] Patricia O Tuama Pete Harlan Peter Schorn [email protected] richard welty Richard White [email protected] (Richard Sexton) rick@pavlov (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Steve Jacquot) Starcap'n Ra STella%[email protected] sullivan%[email protected] (Michael T. Sullivan) [email protected] (Tom Jaskiewicz) Tom Markson [email protected] (Sande Wallfesh) = = = = = = = /JBL = Nets: [email protected] | "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's or {...}!bbn!levin | bureau that morning. Wide-eyed and distraught, she POTS: (617)873-3463 | stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
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