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From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:32:36 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc Subject: RFD: comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail Followup-To: news.groups Date: 26 Mar 1993 10:47:04 -0500 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 83 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3358 comp.bbs.waffle:8278 comp.mail.uucp:10322 comp.os.msdos.misc:12370 comp.os.msdos.apps:10376 news.admin.misc:1846  With all the talk lately in comp.bbs.waffle about people who don't use waffle very much, I fear the `real' waffle traffic is being buried. there was a suggestion very recently that the Unix Wafflers should start a _mailing_ _list_ - which is not a good sign, since a large amount of the traffic in the group isn't even about DOS waffle, but uucp-under-dos.  I've seen or been mailed about at least three plans to replace waffle entirely - and I think there has to be a better place for people to discuss these things than c.b.w - since they'll have nothing to do with waffle at all.  I think the time is good for an RFD - as always at this time of year, there are a lot of people who will be leaving school in just over a month who will lose their net access.  a lot of these people will have access to an msdos machine, and many will be able to get a uucp feed >from where they're currently reading news (or downstream from same).  I am only considering an unmoderated group (I certainly cannot commit to the time requirements for moderation)  several names have been suggested, and are listed below:  current names suggested:  I have ranked according to my own opinion    comp.os.msdos.news          would be overrun by new-software-releases,                                 industry developments, etc.    comp.os.msdos.uucp          too limiting - there's no reason to assume                                 uucp will be the only transfer used    comp.mail.msdos             too limiting - it eliminates usenet    news.software.msdos         not sure how well it would go over in news.*                                 (and it eliminates mail)    comp.bbs.usenet             most of these people won't be using a BBS                                 (and it eliminates mail, technically)    comp.os.msdos.mail          close - but it eliminates usenet    comp.os.msdos.usenet        close - but it eliminates mail    comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail   even closer - almost perfect, actually (it                                 is a longer name, but (imho) not too long)  there might easily be enough demand for both comp.bbs.usenet AND comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail, but I am more interested in the latter.  proposed charter ideas:    [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]    [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such   a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under   comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]    - anything involving running uucp under msdos   - anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos   - anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos    - there are areas of overlap with other groups, and threads will likely     start in this group that will move over (via a Followup-To: header at     that point) to a more appropriate set of groups.  I suspect common     examples would include:        comp.bbs.waffle             specific to waffle only       comp.mail.uucp              specific to mail under uucp       news.admin.misc             news administration not specific to msdos    - crossposting would be encouraged when applicable (eg. crossposting     to comp.bbs.waffle when announcing an msdos package that works with     uucp/mail/news in general and waffle in particular) and discouraged     when inapplicable (eg. crossposting to comp.bbs.waffle when there is     little or no relevance to waffle users).  in other words, this would     be a normal, unmoderated group.  I know of the UUDOS mailing list, but my mail to the poster of the list announcement bounced back eventually.  I know of the UUPC mailing list, and am told the traffic is a couple of messages per day.  this message will be sent to the list. --  Russell Schulz  [email protected]  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c  From [email protected] Wed Apr 14 15:42:24 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.os.msdos.mail-news Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Apr 1993 19:50:39 -0400 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 102 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3453 news.groups:69721 comp.bbs.waffle:8719 comp.mail.uucp:10414 comp.os.msdos.misc:12894 comp.os.msdos.apps:10735 news.admin.misc:2156  This is a 2nd Request for Discussion. The first used the name `comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail'.  I have had multiple positive reactions, and only two negative reactions, >from the first RFD   - one indicated he felt the new group was not necessary (no reasons     given)   - two indicated the segment `usenet-mail' would be confusing, so I     have changed the ordering, and changed `usenet' to `news', to     avoid any problems with alt.*, biz.*, etc. seeming off-charter  it had also been requested that I include a couple more RFCs in the charter - they are similar to those already in place, so I added them.  with all the talk lately in comp.bbs.waffle about people who don't use waffle very much, I fear the `real' waffle traffic is being buried. there was a suggestion very recently that the Unix Wafflers should start a _mailing_ _list_ - which is not a good sign, since a large amount of the traffic in the group isn't even about DOS waffle, but uucp-under-dos.  I've seen or been mailed about at least three plans to replace waffle entirely - and I think there has to be a better place for people to discuss these things than c.b.w - since they'll have nothing to do with waffle at all.  I think the time is good for an RFD - as always at this time of year, there are a lot of people who will be leaving school in a few weeks who will lose their net access.  a lot of these people will have access to an msdos machine, and many will be able to get a uucp feed >from where they're currently reading news (or downstream from same).  I am only considering an unmoderated group (I certainly cannot commit to the time requirements for moderation)  several names have been suggested, and are listed below:  current names suggested:  I have ranked according to my own opinion    comp.os.msdos.news          would be overrun by new-software-releases,                                 industry developments, etc.    comp.os.msdos.uucp          too limiting - there's no reason to assume                                 uucp will be the only transfer used    comp.mail.msdos             too limiting - it eliminates usenet    news.software.msdos         not sure how well it would go over in news.*                                 (and it eliminates mail)    comp.bbs.usenet             most of these people won't be using a BBS                                 (and it eliminates mail, technically)    comp.os.msdos.mail          close - but it eliminates usenet    comp.os.msdos.usenet        close - but it eliminates mail    comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail   even closer - almost perfect, actually (it                                 is a longer name, but (imho) not too long)    comp.os.msdos.mail-news     avoids problems with misinterpretation that                                 a few people had  there might easily be enough demand for both comp.bbs.usenet AND comp.os.msdos.mail-news, but I am more interested in the latter.  proposed charter ideas:    [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]    [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such   a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under   comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]    - anything involving running uucp under msdos   - anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos   - anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos   - anything involving PCMAIL (RFC1056) under msdos   - anything involving Post Office Protocol (RFC1225) under msdos    - there are areas of overlap with other groups, and threads will likely     start in this group that will move over (via a Followup-To: header at     that point) to a more appropriate set of groups.  I suspect common     examples would include:        comp.bbs.waffle             specific to waffle only       comp.mail.uucp              specific to mail under uucp       news.admin.misc             news administration not specific to msdos    - crossposting would be encouraged when applicable (eg. crossposting     to comp.bbs.waffle when announcing an msdos package that works with     uucp/mail/news in general and waffle in particular) and discouraged     when inapplicable (eg. crossposting to comp.bbs.waffle when there is     little or no relevance to waffle users).  in other words, this would     be a normal, unmoderated group.  I know of the UUDOS mailing list, but my mail to the poster of the list announcement bounced back eventually.  I know of the UUPC mailing list, and am told the traffic is a couple of messages per day.  this message will be sent to the list. --  Russell Schulz  [email protected]  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c  From [email protected] Wed May 26 17:07:42 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc,alt.usenet.offline-reader,alt.bbs Subject: CFV: comp.os.msdos.mail-news Followup-To: poster Date: 20 May 1993 11:40:59 -0400 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 80 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3613 news.groups:72336 comp.bbs.waffle:9606 comp.mail.uucp:10587 comp.os.msdos.misc:14168 comp.os.msdos.apps:11328 news.admin.misc:2506 alt.usenet.offline-reader:187 alt.bbs:18072  [ this was also discussed under the names c.o.m.uucp and c.o.m.usenet-mail ]  Moderation:    this proposal is for an unmoderated group.   Voting:                        *************************    In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a mail message to the address [email protected]  If your site does not understand that address, you might try:          mail-server%[email protected]         mit-athena!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server         uunet!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server  If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can help you address the mail properly.  Posted votes will not be counted. Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted.    Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, in the body of the mail message:          vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news yes         vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news no         vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news abstain  The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  The third line cancels any previous vote for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only one counted.  The subject line of your mail will be ignored.    You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its receipt, within two days.  If you do not, or if you have some other problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to [email protected]    The hardware resources for vote collection are being provided by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.  The vote-collection software is being provided by Jonathan Kamens <[email protected]>.  The manpower necessary to collect the votes is being provided by Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot Associates.  MIT, Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot Associates have nothing to do with the newsgroup proposal; they're just collecting the votes as a neutral third party.                        *************************    votes must arrive by mail at the above address in the above format   between 1993-May-20 00:00:00 GMT and 1993-Jun-15 23:59:59 GMT to   be counted.   Charter:    [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]    [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such     a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under     comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]    on-charter topics include:      - almost anything involving running uucp under msdos     - almost anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos     - almost anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos     - almost anything involving PCMAIL (RFC1056) under msdos     - almost anything involving Post Office Protocol (RFC1225) under msdos    similar RFCs will also be discussed, as they become available.  Copies:    this CFV will be sent to the UUPC mailing list --  Russell Schulz  [email protected]  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c  From [email protected] Fri Jun 11 15:54:55 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc,alt.usenet.offline-reader,alt.bbs Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.msdos.mail-news Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Jun 1993 13:58:10 -0400 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 222 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3689 news.groups:73769 comp.bbs.waffle:10163 comp.mail.uucp:10804 comp.os.msdos.misc:14831 comp.os.msdos.apps:11607 news.admin.misc:2699 alt.usenet.offline-reader:336 alt.bbs:18713  [ this was also discussed under the names c.o.m.uucp and c.o.m.usenet-mail ]  Moderation:    this proposal is for an unmoderated group.   Voting:                        *************************    In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a mail message to the address [email protected]  If your site does not understand that address, you might try:          mail-server%[email protected]         mit-athena!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server         uunet!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server  If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can help you address the mail properly.  Posted votes will not be counted. Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted.    Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, in the body of the mail message:          vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news yes         vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news no         vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news abstain  The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  The third line cancels any previous vote for or against the creation of the newsgroup.  Multiple voting messages from the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only one counted.  The subject line of your mail will be ignored.    You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its receipt, within two days.  If you do not, or if you have some other problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to [email protected]    The hardware resources for vote collection are being provided by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.  The vote-collection software is being provided by Jonathan Kamens <[email protected]>.  The manpower necessary to collect the votes is being provided by Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot Associates.  MIT, Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot Associates have nothing to do with the newsgroup proposal; they're just collecting the votes as a neutral third party.                        *************************    votes must arrive by mail at the above address in the above format   between 1993-May-20 00:00:00 GMT and 1993-Jun-15 23:59:59 GMT to   be counted.   Charter:    [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]    [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such     a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under     comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]    on-charter topics include:      - almost anything involving running uucp under msdos     - almost anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos     - almost anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos     - almost anything involving PCMAIL (RFC1056) under msdos     - almost anything involving Post Office Protocol (RFC1225) under msdos    similar RFCs will also be discussed, as they become available.  Copies:    the original CFV was sent to the UUPC mailing list  thank-you to all those who have already voted.  my name is not yet on the list, as the original CFV hasn't made it back to my site yet (and likely never will) due to news flow problems, but I do intend to vote.  Vote Ack:  [ note:  I, Russell Schulz, have no idea how these votes were cast, as I am not the vote-taker.  this is simply the list that Jonathan so kindly provided me with minutes after I asked him (thanks again!).  the Reply-To: address for this 2nd CFV is set to the mail-server which collects the votes, not to myself as the first CFV was.  I have not yet scanned for duplicates/fishy-looking votes/what-have-you, but this will, of course, be done at the end of the voting period. ]  `` Here's a list of people who have voted as of approximately midnight EDT this morning.  Voters:  "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" <[email protected]> Adrian Miranda <[email protected]> [email protected] (Art Smoot) Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andrew M. Davenport) [email protected] (Jay Anderson) [email protected] (aranita) [email protected] Jim Ault <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ashok Aiyar) [email protected] [email protected] (Steve Bernard) [email protected] "Bryan Koen" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Brian) [email protected] (Brian Smithson) [email protected] (David L. Brynell) Cameron Spitzer 764-6339 <[email protected]> [email protected] (Carlo Sgro) [email protected] [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal) [email protected] "John Covici" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Mahoney) [email protected] (David Cornejo) [email protected] [email protected] "Scott Deshaies" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Gruhn) dk%[email protected] (Dmitry S. Kohmanyuk) Darragh O'Grady <[email protected]> Ed Moore <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ed Sinamark) "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> [email protected] "Eric L. Thav" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Eric Trepanier) Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gabe Helou) [email protected] (David Garfield) [email protected] [email protected] Roberto Giuliani <[email protected]> "Glen (G.) Martin" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Greg Broiles) [email protected] (Greg Guthrie) [email protected] (Hans-Joachim Zierke) [email protected] (Hamish Moffatt) [email protected] (Vera Heinau) [email protected] [email protected] (B.J.) [email protected] [email protected] (Jeroen Smulders) Jerry Kaufman <[email protected]> [email protected] (Joel Furr) Jeff Gostin <[email protected]> [email protected] (John Harkin) [email protected] (Jim Marshall) [email protected] (Jim Cheetham) "Jim Horn" <[email protected]> "John Ladwig" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Jay W. Noh) [email protected] James B. Pratt III <[email protected]> [email protected] (Tower Jim) [email protected] (Kevin Houle) Karl Kleine <[email protected]> "Michael Levin" <[email protected]> "Louis Valentino" <[email protected]> "Peter Lyman" <[email protected]> "Mark Nichols" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Delany) [email protected] (Mike Arms) [email protected] (Alex Martelli) [email protected] Murray Nesbitt <[email protected]> "Mike McLagan" <[email protected]> "Mr. Noise" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Purcell) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Dave Pascoe) [email protected] (Chandresh Patel) Jay Pfaffman <[email protected]> "Paul Harrington (Reptile)" <[email protected]> [email protected] "Peter Mantos" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Arno Krner) [email protected] (Rainer Doerrer) [email protected] [email protected] Rich Wales <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) Rick Ellis <[email protected]> "Richard J. Wyble" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Pearson) [email protected] [email protected] (Ron Perry) [email protected] [email protected] (Roland Dunkerley) "S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail" <[email protected]> [email protected] Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]guild.org> [email protected] (Steve Rogers) [email protected] (Steve M. Robbins) [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) [email protected] (Thomas E Taylor) [email protected] (Thorsten Kitz) Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]> [email protected] "Andriamananjara Tahirisoa Rajaona" [email protected]> "Vincent D. Skahan" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Keith Petersen) [email protected] (Wes Rishel) [email protected] (Chris Waters) [email protected] (Mike Peeler) "Daniel Zirin" <[email protected]> '' --  Russell Schulz  [email protected]  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c  From [email protected] Wed Jun 23 21:14:13 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc,alt.usenet.offline-reader,alt.bbs Subject: RESULT: comp.os.msdos.mail-news passes 140:21 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Jun 1993 16:27:00 -0400 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 199 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3725 news.groups:74678 comp.bbs.waffle:10527 comp.mail.uucp:10945 comp.os.msdos.misc:15097 comp.os.msdos.apps:11727 news.admin.misc:2853 alt.usenet.offline-reader:384 alt.bbs:18967  RESULT: comp.os.msdos.mail-news PASSES 140:21  thank-you to all who voted.  thank-you especially to Jonathan Kamens, MIT, and Geer Zolot Associates for collecting the votes.  although the guidelines say the vote taker should post the results, Jonathan has mailed me the results, I have re-checked them, and am doing the posting.  this result (without the ACK) is being send to the UUPC mailing list.  assuming no other duplicates are found within five days of this posting going out in news.announce.newgroups, uunet will send out the newgroup message.  validity check:  % yes = 140/161 = 86% yes-no = 140-21 = 119  apparent Yes duplicates:  (eliminated from totals)  [email protected] [email protected] (Mike Shirley)  [email protected] (Rick Ellis) Rick Ellis <[email protected]>  "yes" votes (140):  settle <@bt-web.bt.co.uk:[email protected]> "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Art Smoot) [email protected] (Andrew M. Davenport) [email protected] (Jay Anderson) [email protected] (Andras Salamon) [email protected] (Andreas Heidemann) [email protected] (aranita) [email protected] [email protected] (Adam G. Tilghman) Jim Ault <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ashok Aiyar) [email protected] (Axel Wilzopolski) [email protected] (Emmanuel Bataille) [email protected] [email protected] (Steve Bernard) [email protected] [email protected] "Bryan Koen" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bram Smits) [email protected] (Brendan Mumey) [email protected] (Brian Smithson) [email protected] Cameron Spitzer 764-6339 <[email protected]> [email protected] (Carlo Sgro) [email protected] [email protected] (Chris Wilson) "John Covici" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Mahoney) [email protected] (Daniel Ockeloen) [email protected] [email protected] "Scott Deshaies" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Arjan de Vet) [email protected] (Dave Gruhn) dk%[email protected] (Dmitry S. Kohmanyuk) [email protected] Darragh O'Grady <[email protected]> Ed Moore <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ed Sinamark) [email protected] "Eric L. Thav" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Eric Trepanier) Hardcore Alaskan <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Garfield) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Gerald Ruderman) Roberto Giuliani <[email protected]> "Glen (G.) Martin" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dick Grady) [email protected] (Greg Broiles) [email protected] (Brennan Tennesen Price) [email protected] (Greg Guthrie) [email protected] (Hans-Joachim Zierke) [email protected] (Hamish Moffatt) [email protected] (Vera Heinau) [email protected] [email protected] (B.J.) [email protected] Jack Otto <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jeroen Smulders) Jerry Kaufman <[email protected]> Jeff Gostin <[email protected]> [email protected] (John Harkin) [email protected] (Jim Marshall) [email protected] (Jim Cheetham) "Jim Horn" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jack Kilday) "John Ladwig" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] James B. Pratt III <[email protected]> [email protected] (Tower Jim) Justin C. Norman <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kaukasoina Petri) [email protected] (Stan Hall) [email protected] (Kevin Houle) Karl Kleine <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kosta Kostis) "Michael Levin" <[email protected]> "Louis Valentino" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Luciano Mannucci) "Peter Lyman" <[email protected]> Jochen Erwied <[email protected]> [email protected] (James Copland) "Mark Nichols" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Delany) [email protected] (Mike Arms) [email protected] (Alex Martelli) [email protected] (Mighty Martung) [email protected] (Mike Northam) [email protected] (Miles Mccredie) [email protected] (Michael E. Lovell) [email protected] [email protected] (Mike Shirley) "Mike McLagan" <[email protected]> "Mr. Noise" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Purcell) [email protected] [email protected] (Nick Langmaid) [email protected] [email protected] (Dave Pascoe) [email protected] (Chandresh Patel) Patrick Lee <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter Sleggs) [email protected] Jay Pfaffman <[email protected]> "Paul Harrington (Reptile)" <[email protected]> [email protected] "Peter Mantos" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Arno Krner) [email protected] (Rainer Doerrer) [email protected] (Richard Foote) [email protected] [email protected] Rich Wales <[email protected]> Rick Ellis <[email protected]> "Richard J. Wyble" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Pearson) [email protected] [email protected] (Ron Perry) [email protected] [email protected] (Russell Schulz) Ryan Bayne <[email protected]> "S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail" <[email protected]> [email protected] Doug Spindler <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Rogers) [email protected] (Steve M. Robbins) [email protected] (Thomas E Taylor) [email protected] (Thorsten Kitz) [email protected] "Andriamananjara Tahirisoa Rajaona" [email protected]> [email protected] (Voravit Euavatanakorn) [email protected] [email protected] (Wes Rishel) [email protected] (Jost Krieger) [email protected] (Chris Waters) [email protected] (Mike Peeler)  "no" votes (21):  Adrian Miranda <[email protected]> Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a <[email protected]> [email protected] (Brian) [email protected] (David L. Brynell) [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal) [email protected] [email protected] (David Cornejo) "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gabe Helou) [email protected] (Joel Furr) [email protected] (Jay W. Noh) Murray Nesbitt <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Roland Dunkerley) Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]> [email protected] (Stu Labovitz) Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]> Guy Umbright <[email protected]> "Vincent D. Skahan" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Keith Petersen) "Daniel Zirin" <[email protected]> --  Russell Schulz  [email protected]  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c