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From [email protected] Fri Feb 4 16:09:07 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mike Levis) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.os2.announce,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce Subject: RFD: comp.os.os2.* new groups Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 Feb 1994 15:36:36 -0500 Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 134 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4535 news.groups:93781 comp.os.os2.announce:396 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce:335 Request For Discussion This is the formal Request For Discussion for the creation of four newsgroups, the renaming of one newsgroup, and the removal of one newsgroup. Please do not vote now. As soon at this RFD is posted, I will post an RFD pointer to: comp.os.os2.apps comp.os.os2.programmer.misc comp.os.os2.networking comp.os.os2.ver1x Summary of proposals (all unmoderated): a) Create comp.os.os2.games b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Background: The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1. One of the great strengths of OS/2 2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games. Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play. OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without having to reboot the computer. Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment, such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup, and so forth. OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games as well. With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here or are being developed. But OS/2 is not just for playing around. There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages and disadvantages over another. Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1 compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g. emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al). There are also visual programming tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more choice in development environments. Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object- oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM). SOM is a language- independent specification for object-oriented programming. Programmers can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2 2.1's object- oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch. IBM is working on enhancing SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM) to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and Pink operating systems. OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines, through networking. TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2 machines. This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being worked on right now. OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive feature set). Proposed charters or reasons: a) Create comp.os.os2.games Charter: Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g. pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys, etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.). Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup. b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers, interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming tools under OS/2. Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does `for DOS' cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup. c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object- oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks. Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g. C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup. d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Charter: Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers, setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2. e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc Reason: The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a split newsgroup as .misc. Charter: comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking issues in an unmoderated setting. f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Reason: OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet readers). Schedule: These proposals have been informally discussed in several comp.os.os2.* newsgroups throughout January. Some other proposals that were discussed informally did not make it in this RFD, but may be included in a future RFD. Minor changes were made to the names of some of these proposals to match existing newsgroup names (i.e. comp.os.os2.programmer.oop rather than *.oo -- cf. comp.sys.mac.oop; comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip rather than *.tcpip -- cf. comp.protocols.tcp-ip). The posting of this RFD begins the formal discussion period, and will last for 21 days. Discussion is to take place in news.groups. Please do not vote now. If there are no unresolvable objections, a formal Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted when the formal discussion period is over. -- Mike Levis [email protected] From [email protected] Thu Feb 24 17:55:07 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.os2.announce,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce Subject: CFV: comp.os.os2 reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 24 Feb 1994 16:00:50 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 190 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 18 Mar 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4679 news.groups:96500 comp.os.os2.announce:430 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce:376 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) Reorganization of comp.os.os2 Summary of proposals (all unmoderated): a) Create comp.os.os2.games b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Newsgroups lines: comp.os.os2.games Running games under OS/2 comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Compilers, assemblers, interpreters under OS/2 comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Programming system objects (SOM, WPS, etc) comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip TCP/IP under OS/2 comp.os.os2.networking.misc Miscellaneous networking issues of OS/2 Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact Jay Maynard ([email protected]). For questions about the proposed groups, contact the proposer, Mike Levis, at [email protected] A pointer to this Call for Votes is being posted to the following groups: comp.os.os2.apps, comp.os.os2.programmer.misc, comp.os.os2.networking, and comp.os.os2.ver1x. CHARTER a) Create comp.os.os2.games Charter: Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g. pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys, etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.). Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup. b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers, interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming tools under OS/2. Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does ` for DOS' cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup. c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object- oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks. Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g. C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup. d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Charter: Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers, setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2. e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc Reason: The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a split newsgroup as .misc. Charter: comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking issues in an unmoderated setting. f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Reason: OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet readers). RATIONALE The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1. One of the great strengths of OS/2 2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games. Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play. OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without having to reboot the computer. Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment, such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup, and so forth. OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games as well. With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here or are being developed. But OS/2 is not just for playing around. There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages and disadvantages over another. Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1 compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g. emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al). There are also visual programming tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more choice in development environments. Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object- oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM). SOM is a language- independent specification for object-oriented programming. Programmers can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2 2.1's object-oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch. IBM is working on enhancing SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM) to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and Pink operating systems. OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines, through networking. TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2 machines. This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being worked on right now. OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive feature set). HOW TO VOTE You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to [email protected] (just replying by MAIL to this message should work, if you're not reading this as part of a mailing list). I will send mail acknowledgements for votes that I receive. If you receive a correct ack, your vote has been received. If you do not receive an ack after several days, you need to vote again. It is your responsibility to see that your vote is recorded correctly. USE THE FORM AS IT IS. Otherwise your vote may be rejected. Do not delete anything between the "-=-=-=-=-" lines - and most certainly do not monkey with the group names. Please delete everything but the ballot itself, though; I don't need another copy of the full CFV. You may _NOT_ do a combined vote - i.e., "I vote for all of them" or "I vote against all of them." For each group, simply add your vote between the brackets on the same line. Recognized votes are Yes and No. Capitalization is not important. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters ">" that your reply inserts. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. ABSTAINs do not affect the vote outcome. You may change your vote later by voting again. The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results. If you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the final list, send a vote with CANCEL in each voting position. Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, and only one vote per account, will be counted. For each proposal to pass, 100 more YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes must be received. Simple instructions: Delete everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line, delete everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Give your real name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. [[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: IMPORTANT! A vote of "YES" for comp.os.os2.ver1x means you agree it should be deleted; one of "NO" means it should be retained. This is exactly opposite the meanings of YES/NO votes for the other groups in the proposal. -- tale ]] -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.os.os2 reorganization Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.os.os2.games [ ] comp.os.os2.programmer.tools [ ] comp.os.os2.programmer.oop [ ] comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip [ ] comp.os.os2.networking.misc [ ] comp.os.os2.ver1x -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected] | adequately be explained by stupidity. "The difference between baseball and politics is that, in baseball, if you get caught stealing, you're out!" -- Ed Shanks From [email protected] Thu Mar 10 15:13:20 1994 Sender: [email protected] Date: 9 Mar 1994 18:06:30 -0500 Lines: 222 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Reply-To: [email protected] Followup-To: poster Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.os2.announce,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.os.os2 reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Supersedes: <[email protected]> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Approved: [email protected] Expires: 18 Mar 1994 00:00:00 GMT Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4755 news.groups:97755 comp.os.os2.announce:464 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce:398 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) Reorganization of comp.os.os2 Summary of proposals (all unmoderated): a) Create comp.os.os2.games b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Newsgroups lines: comp.os.os2.games Running games under OS/2 comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Compilers, assemblers, interpreters under OS/2 comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Programming system objects (SOM, WPS, etc) comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip TCP/IP under OS/2 comp.os.os2.networking.misc Miscellaneous networking issues of OS/2 Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact Jay Maynard ([email protected]). For questions about the proposed groups, contact the proposer, Mike Levis, at [email protected] A pointer to this Call for Votes is being posted to the following groups: comp.os.os2.apps, comp.os.os2.programmer.misc, comp.os.os2.networking, and comp.os.os2.ver1x. CHARTER a) Create comp.os.os2.games Charter: Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g. pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys, etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.). Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup. b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers, interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming tools under OS/2. Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does ` for DOS' cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup. c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object- oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks. Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g. C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup. d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Charter: Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers, setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2. e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc Reason: The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a split newsgroup as .misc. Charter: comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking issues in an unmoderated setting. f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Reason: OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet readers). RATIONALE The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1. One of the great strengths of OS/2 2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games. Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play. OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without having to reboot the computer. Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment, such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup, and so forth. OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games as well. With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here or are being developed. But OS/2 is not just for playing around. There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages and disadvantages over another. Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1 compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g. emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al). There are also visual programming tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more choice in development environments. Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object- oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM). SOM is a language- independent specification for object-oriented programming. Programmers can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2 2.1's object-oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch. IBM is working on enhancing SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM) to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and Pink operating systems. OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines, through networking. TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2 machines. This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being worked on right now. OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive feature set). NOTE... Due to a clerical error, my account on this machine was deleted on 1 March. Some ballots in the ongoing vote have been lost, as the files in my account were restored from a backup taken the evening of 28 February. It was restored the afternoon of 1 March. If you have not received an acknowledgement for your vote, or if your acknowledgement was sent between noon US Central Time (1800 GMT) on 28 February and 2 PM US Central Time (2000 GMT) on 1 March, and you have not received another acknowledgement from me since then, you need to vote again, as your vote has been lost. If your acknowledgement was sent outside that time, you should be OK. If you're not sure, please feel free to vote again; duplicate votes will be weeded out during the counting process. This note was posted to the same groups as the original Call for Votes; it is being repeated here to ensure that interested people see it. HOW TO VOTE You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to [email protected] (just replying by MAIL to this message should work, if you're not reading this as part of a mailing list). I will send mail acknowledgements for votes that I receive. If you receive a correct ack, your vote has been received. If you do not receive an ack after several days, you need to vote again. It is your responsibility to see that your vote is recorded correctly. USE THE FORM AS IT IS. Otherwise your vote may be rejected. Do not delete anything between the "-=-=-=-=-" lines - and most certainly do not monkey with the group names. Please delete everything but the ballot itself, though; I don't need another copy of the full CFV. You may _NOT_ do a combined vote - i.e., "I vote for all of them" or "I vote against all of them." For each group, simply add your vote between the brackets on the same line. Recognized votes are Yes and No. Capitalization is not important. If you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters ">" that your reply inserts. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. ABSTAINs do not affect the vote outcome. You may change your vote later by voting again. The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results. If you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the final list, send a vote with CANCEL in each voting position. Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, and only one vote per account, will be counted. For each proposal to pass, 100 more YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes must be received. Simple instructions: Delete everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line, delete everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Give your real name on the line that asks for it. For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to it to vote for or against it. [[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: IMPORTANT! A vote of "YES" for comp.os.os2.ver1x means you agree it should be deleted; one of "NO" means it should be retained. This is exactly opposite the meanings of YES/NO votes for the other groups in the proposal. -- tale ]] -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.os.os2 reorganization Ballot (Don't remove this marker) Give your real name here: [Your Vote] Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.os.os2.games [ ] comp.os.os2.programmer.tools [ ] comp.os.os2.programmer.oop [ ] comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip [ ] comp.os.os2.networking.misc [ ] comp.os.os2.ver1x -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BOUNCE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS The voters in the following list may not have received mail acknowledgements due to one problem or another. If you appear in this list, your vote has been received and recorded; you don't need to do anything else (except, possibly, check out any problems you may be having receiving mail.) comp.os.os2 reorganization Bounce Ack List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] chorn%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected] | adequately be explained by stupidity. "The difference between baseball and politics is that, in baseball, if you get caught stealing, you're out!" -- Ed Shanks From [email protected] Thu Mar 24 18:07:22 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.os2.announce,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce Subject: RESULT: comp.os.os2 reorganization: all proposals pass Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Mar 1994 20:15:18 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 678 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4815 news.groups:98770 comp.os.os2.announce:477 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.announce:411 RESULTS Reorganization of comp.os.os2 Summary of proposals (all unmoderated): a) Create comp.os.os2.games b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x comp.os.os2 reorganization results - 486 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 440 32 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.os2.games 432 31 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.os2.programmer.tools 412 47 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.os2.programmer.oop 428 37 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip 421 38 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.os2.networking.misc 322 106 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.os.os2.ver1x 12 invalid votes Newsgroups lines: comp.os.os2.games Running games under OS/2 comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Compilers, assemblers, interpreters under OS/2 comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Programming system objects (SOM, WPS, etc) comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip TCP/IP under OS/2 comp.os.os2.networking.misc Miscellaneous networking issues of OS/2 Voting ended at 00:00:00 GMT, 18 March 1994. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only, contact Jay Maynard ([email protected]). For questions about the proposed groups, contact the proposer, Mike Levis, at [email protected] CHARTERS a) Create comp.os.os2.games Charter: Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g. pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys, etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.). Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup. b) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers, interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming tools under OS/2. Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does ` for DOS' cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup. c) Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop Charter: Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object- oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks. Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g. C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup. d) Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Charter: Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers, setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2. e) Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc Reason: The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a split newsgroup as .misc. Charter: comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking issues in an unmoderated setting. f) Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x Reason: OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet readers). RATIONALE The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1. One of the great strengths of OS/2 2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games. Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play. OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without having to reboot the computer. Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment, such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup, and so forth. OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games as well. With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here or are being developed. But OS/2 is not just for playing around. There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages and disadvantages over another. Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1 compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g. emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al). There are also visual programming tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more choice in development environments. Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object- oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM). SOM is a language- independent specification for object-oriented programming. Programmers can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2 2.1's object-oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch. IBM is working on enhancing SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM) to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and Pink operating systems. OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines, through networking. TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2 machines. This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being worked on right now. OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive feature set). NOTE... Due to a clerical error, my account on this machine was deleted on 1 March. Some ballots in the ongoing vote have been lost, as the files in my account were restored from a backup taken the evening of 28 February. It was restored the afternoon of 1 March. All votes outside of that time frame have been counted and acknowledged. A note about the problem was posted separately to the same groups as this posting, as well as being included in the second Call for Votes. VOTES Votes from the following people have been received: comp.os.os2 reorganization Final Vote Ack comp.os.os2.ver1x --------+ comp.os.os2.networking.misc -------+| comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip ------+|| comp.os.os2.programmer.oop -----+||| comp.os.os2.programmer.tools ----+|||| comp.os.os2.games ---+||||| |||||| [email protected] Andrew Henry YY---- [email protected] Dave Ulrick YYYYYY [email protected] YYYYYN [email protected] Simon Fowler -----N [email protected] Andrew Hatchell YYYYYY [email protected] Andy Collins YYYYYY [email protected] Aden Steinke Y----Y [email protected] Alexis E Vassilakas YYYYYY [email protected] Nicholas Mayo [email protected] YYYYYY [email protected] Andrew Guy YYYYYY [email protected] Alec Habig YYYYYY [email protected] Art Hostmark YYYYYY [email protected] Ari Huttunen YYYYYY [email protected] Ann Vanderlaan YYYYYY [email protected] Eugenio Sanchez NYYYYY [email protected] Alec Flett YYYYYY [email protected] Amberle S Ferrian YYYYYY [email protected] Dave Anderson YYYYY- [email protected] Sven Anders YYYYYN [email protected] Andreas Almroth YYYNNN [email protected] Andy Hartman YYYYYY [email protected] Andy Latto YYYYYY [email protected] Andre Asselin Y--YYN [email protected] Mark S. 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