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From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 10:32:07 1993 Flags: 000000000201 Path: lear Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups From: Ran Atkinson <[email protected]> Subject: CfD:  comp.society.folklore Followup-to: news.groups Reply-To: Ran Atkinson <[email protected]> Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sun,  3 Feb 91 21:36:07 PST Keywords: posted  This is a formal CALL FOR DISCUSSION for a moderated group.   The formal proposal follows:   NAME OF GROUP:  comp.society.folklore MODERATOR: Eric S. Raymond  <[email protected]>  TOPICS TO BE COVERED:  1. Maintenance and discussion of the Jargon File.  2. Posting/archiving of anecdotes, facetia, and satire illuminating aspects    of hacker culture, including things like computer filks and war stories    about famous hacks of the past.  3. Accumulation of serious oral-history material from the early days    and forgotten but interesting byways of modern computing.  4. Posting/archiving of `retrocomputing' software, that is emulations of    archaic environments or tools or `code satires' (things like the JCL and    ADVENT shells, INTERCAL, the 029 card-punch emulating editor,  5. Discussion & criticism of hacker-history compendia  in other media, esp.    books like Jennings' _The_Devouring_Fungus_, Stoll's _Cuckoo's_Egg_, and    Steven Levy's _Hackers_.  CHARTER:     To give the hacker culture an on-line memory. Postings would be carefully selected but not (in general) edited. An archive would be maintained and made publicly available.     A fair percentage of the traffic would probably be humor of various sorts, but the criterion for inclusion would be primarily its value as carriers for hacker memes.     Attempts to pursue religious wars using the group as a forum would be ruthlessly flushed.      The group would be open to co-moderation by representatives of important hacker subcultures past or present, subject to net consensus.   RATIONALE:    The existing newsgroup with similar name in the ALT heirarchy has a great deal of volume and a problem with noise.  This proposal would create a new MODERATED group to cover much of the same material but would endeavor to reduce the noise.  The existing ALT group would not be affected in any way by this proposal because USENET and ALTNET are different and ALT groups are not bound by USENET rules.  Also, the continuation of the existing ALT group would mean that an unmoderated forum would also exist.  Also, this new group would become the preferred forum for discussions of the Jargon File and submissions to the Jargon File.    The name was chosen because although computer-related, it is not a technical group and most non-technical computer-related groups are in the comp.society.* portion of the name space.  The folklore extension makes the general area of discussion clear to newcomers.    Eric Raymond and I talked about this idea in e-mail before Christmas and he has already agreed to act as moderator should the group be created.    PROCEDURES:    Per the USENET Guidelines, discussion should take place in news.groups for at least two weeks.  If a consensus has developed by that time, then I plan to make a formal CALL FOR VOTES then and count them myself. Do NOT vote now.  Time is counted from the posting to n.a.n by the moderator of that group.  ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Ran Atkinson   [email protected] ----------------------------------------------------------------------   From [email protected] Mon Nov  2 15:39:05 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2869 news.groups:58600 alt.folklore.computers:33457 alt.config:11947 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.folklore.computers,alt.config Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Brader) Subject: RFD: comp.society.folklore unmoderation Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1992 23:49:58 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Lines: 48  In the spring of 1991, comp.society.folklore was created; the intention was that it would be a moderated Usenet newsgroup with a similar charter to that of alt.folklore.computers.  Comp.society.folklore experienced severe technical problems at the outset, which were never diagnosed satisfactorily.  Some articles were posted to it by the moderator, Eric Raymond, but they generally did not make it to Usenet at large.  Eric tells me that in fact only half a dozen articles were ever submitted to comp.society.folklore.  It seems likely that the propagation problem was partially responsible for this; no articles means no followups. But in addition, many users simply prefer the faster interaction pos- sible in an unmoderated newsgroup to the orderliness possible in a moderated one.  And with the existing channel of alt.folklore.computers in operation, there was little incentive to debug comp.society.folklore.  Now, I think alt.folklore.computers has been a pretty successful group, and therefore I think it's long past time that it was moved onto Usenet-- or, if you prefer, into the so-called "7 main hierarchies".  I therefore propose that comp.society.folklore be converted to unmoderated, and that when this is done, alt.folklore.computers be aliased to it and thus cease to exist under that name.  I proposed this informally a couple of months ago, and drew a smattering of responses covering a variety of opinions.  It should be noted in particular that Eric Raymond had no objection (and that he's going to see a copy of this posting); this is not a case of "hostile demoderation".  I am submitting this to news.announce.newgroups because I judge that the most appropriate procedure, if this proposal is to be implemented, would be the standard procedure for creating a new group.  This is not necessarily intended to be a precedent for other demoderations; this one is not hostile and the moderated group has no traffic.  I would ask Dave Lawrence (the news.announce.newgroups moderator) to comment on the procedure in a Moderator's Note.  [[ Moderation's Note: we've done such things before, and I really don't mind it furthering precedent, especially in lieu of a consenting moderator. -- tale ]]  Followups are directed to news.groups.  My intention is to NOT take part in any discussion there myself; I reckon the proposal can stand or fall on its own merits or deficiencies, which will no doubt be aptly described by others.  I plan to call a vote in mid to late November. --  Mark Brader		   "How diabolically clever: a straightforward message! SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		Only a genius could have thought of that." utzoo!sq!msb, [email protected]		-- Maxwell Smart (Agent 86) This article is in the public domain.  From [email protected] Mon Nov 23 18:27:31 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.folklore.computers,alt.config Subject: CFV: comp.society.folklore unmoderation Followup-To: poster Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:02:52 -0500 Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 83 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2982 news.groups:61629 alt.folklore.computers:34670 alt.config:12683  At the start of November, I wrote in these newsgroups:  | Now, I think alt.folklore.computers has been a pretty successful group, | and therefore I think it's long past time that it was moved onto Usenet-- | or, if you prefer, into the so-called "7 main hierarchies".  I therefore | propose that comp.society.folklore be converted to unmoderated, and that | when this is done, alt.folklore.computers be aliased to it and thus | cease to exist under that name.  The discussion period has raised a number of alternative possibilities, the most-discussed being "Do nothing; it is not an improvement to move a group out of alt.*".  I now call for votes of Yes or No ON THE ABOVE PROPOSAL.  If you prefer some other action, vote No; there can be further discussion on other proposals if this one fails.  The group-creation criteria will be applied: the Yes votes must outnumber the No votes by a difference of 100 *and* by a factor of 2 for the proposal to pass.        To vote Yes, mail a message to:   [email protected]       To vote No,  mail a message to:    [email protected]  A daemon will do its inhuman best to acknowledge all votes.  I should note that a small number of sites have in the past reported trouble reaching addresses ending in @sq.com; if this is still a problem for anyone, try @sq.sq.com as a second choice.  We also accept email by UUCP from utzoo and (with lower connectivity) uunet; for UUCP the sitename is simply sq, e.g. ...!utzoo!sq!vote-no.  The voting period runs from Monday, November 23, to Monday, December 14, 1992, inclusive, reckoned by the local time in Toronto.  One repeat-CFV will be issued on or about December 2.  Here is the full text of the RFD posting quoted above.  | In the spring of 1991, comp.society.folklore was created; the intention | was that it would be a moderated Usenet newsgroup with a similar charter | to that of alt.folklore.computers.  Comp.society.folklore experienced | severe technical problems at the outset, which were never diagnosed | satisfactorily.  Some articles were posted to it by the moderator, Eric | Raymond, but they generally did not make it to Usenet at large. |  | Eric tells me that in fact only half a dozen articles were ever submitted | to comp.society.folklore.  It seems likely that the propagation problem | was partially responsible for this; no articles means no followups. | But in addition, many users simply prefer the faster interaction pos- | sible in an unmoderated newsgroup to the orderliness possible in a | moderated one.  And with the existing channel of alt.folklore.computers | in operation, there was little incentive to debug comp.society.folklore. |  | Now, I think alt.folklore.computers has been a pretty successful group, | and therefore I think it's long past time that it was moved onto Usenet-- | or, if you prefer, into the so-called "7 main hierarchies".  I therefore | propose that comp.society.folklore be converted to unmoderated, and that | when this is done, alt.folklore.computers be aliased to it and thus | cease to exist under that name. |  | I proposed this informally a couple of months ago, and drew a smattering | of responses covering a variety of opinions.  It should be noted in | particular that Eric Raymond had no objection (and that he's going to | see a copy of this posting); this is not a case of "hostile demoderation". |  | I am submitting this to news.announce.newgroups because I judge that | the most appropriate procedure, if this proposal is to be implemented, | would be the standard procedure for creating a new group.  This is not | necessarily intended to be a precedent for other demoderations; this | one is not hostile and the moderated group has no traffic.  I would ask | Dave Lawrence (the news.announce.newgroups moderator) to comment on the | procedure in a Moderator's Note. |  | [[ Moderation's Note: we've done such things before, and I really | don't mind it furthering precedent, especially in lieu of a consenting | moderator. -- tale ]] |  | Followups are directed to news.groups.  My intention is to NOT take part | in any discussion there myself; I reckon the proposal can stand or fall | on its own merits or deficiencies, which will no doubt be aptly described | by others.  I plan to call a vote in mid to late November. --  Mark Brader		   "How diabolically clever: a straightforward message! SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		Only a genius could have thought of that." utzoo!sq!msb, [email protected]		-- Maxwell Smart (Agent 86) This article is in the public domain.  From [email protected] Tue Dec  1 22:30:06 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.folklore.computers,alt.config,comp.society.folklore Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.society.folklore unmoderation Followup-To: poster Date: 1 Dec 1992 13:43:15 -0500 Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 98 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4633 news.groups:62151 alt.folklore.computers:35111 alt.config:12857 comp.society.folklore:2  [This repeat Call For Votes is identical with my posting of November 23,  except for notes added in brackets, like this.  One of these provides  an additional mailing address for votes.]  At the start of November, I wrote in these newsgroups:  | Now, I think alt.folklore.computers has been a pretty successful group, | and therefore I think it's long past time that it was moved onto Usenet-- | or, if you prefer, into the so-called "7 main hierarchies".  I therefore | propose that comp.society.folklore be converted to unmoderated, and that | when this is done, alt.folklore.computers be aliased to it and thus | cease to exist under that name.  The discussion period has raised a number of alternative possibilities, the most-discussed being "Do nothing; it is not an improvement to move a group out of alt.*".  I now call for votes of Yes or No ON THE ABOVE PROPOSAL.  [That is, the one in the previous paragraph.]  If you prefer some other action, vote No; there can be further discussion on other proposals if this one fails.   The group-creation criteria will be applied: the Yes votes must outnumber the No votes by a difference of 100 *and* by a factor of 2 for the proposal to pass.        To vote Yes, mail a message to:   [email protected]       To vote No,  mail a message to:    [email protected]  A daemon will do its inhuman best to acknowledge all votes.  I should note that a small number of sites have in the past reported trouble reaching addresses ending in @sq.com; if this is still a problem for anyone, try @sq.sq.com as a second choice.  We also accept email by UUCP from utzoo and (with lower connectivity) uunet; for UUCP the sitename is simply sq, e.g. ...!utzoo!sq!vote-no.  [If all else fails you can also mail to my guest login [email protected] --  if possible, please include the results of any bounce messages from  attempting to mail to sq, to help us diagnose the mailer problem.  And  of course please make it clear which way you are voting, since mail over  there will go to my personal mailbox.]  The voting period runs from Monday, November 23, to Monday, December 14, 1992, inclusive, reckoned by the local time in Toronto.  One repeat-CFV will be issued on or about December 2.  [This is it.]  Here is the full text of the RFD posting quoted above.  [Note incidentally that it does not include some of the statements that  I am alleged to have made in it.]  | In the spring of 1991, comp.society.folklore was created; the intention | was that it would be a moderated Usenet newsgroup with a similar charter | to that of alt.folklore.computers.  Comp.society.folklore experienced | severe technical problems at the outset, which were never diagnosed | satisfactorily.  Some articles were posted to it by the moderator, Eric | Raymond, but they generally did not make it to Usenet at large. |  | Eric tells me that in fact only half a dozen articles were ever submitted | to comp.society.folklore.  It seems likely that the propagation problem | was partially responsible for this; no articles means no followups. | But in addition, many users simply prefer the faster interaction pos- | sible in an unmoderated newsgroup to the orderliness possible in a | moderated one.  And with the existing channel of alt.folklore.computers | in operation, there was little incentive to debug comp.society.folklore. |  | Now, I think alt.folklore.computers has been a pretty successful group, | and therefore I think it's long past time that it was moved onto Usenet-- | or, if you prefer, into the so-called "7 main hierarchies".  I therefore | propose that comp.society.folklore be converted to unmoderated, and that | when this is done, alt.folklore.computers be aliased to it and thus | cease to exist under that name. |  | I proposed this informally a couple of months ago, and drew a smattering | of responses covering a variety of opinions.  It should be noted in | particular that Eric Raymond had no objection (and that he's going to | see a copy of this posting); this is not a case of "hostile demoderation". |  | I am submitting this to news.announce.newgroups because I judge that | the most appropriate procedure, if this proposal is to be implemented, | would be the standard procedure for creating a new group.  This is not | necessarily intended to be a precedent for other demoderations; this | one is not hostile and the moderated group has no traffic.  I would ask | Dave Lawrence (the news.announce.newgroups moderator) to comment on the | procedure in a Moderator's Note. |  | [[ Moderation's Note: we've done such things before, and I really | don't mind it furthering precedent, especially in lieu of a consenting | moderator. -- tale ]] |  | Followups are directed to news.groups.  My intention is to NOT take part | in any discussion there myself; I reckon the proposal can stand or fall | on its own merits or deficiencies, which will no doubt be aptly described | by others.  I plan to call a vote in mid to late November. --  Mark Brader		   "How diabolically clever: a straightforward message! SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		Only a genius could have thought of that." utzoo!sq!msb, [email protected]		-- Maxwell Smart (Agent 86) This article is in the public domain.  From [email protected] Thu Dec 10 18:20:35 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.folklore.computers,alt.config,comp.society.folklore Subject: VOTE ACK: comp.society.folklore unmoderation Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Dec 1992 17:38:29 -0500 Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 836 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3043 news.groups:62768 alt.folklore.computers:35647 alt.config:13146 comp.society.folklore:3  Murthy yenamandra ([email protected]) writes in news.groups and alt.folklore.computers:  > With quite a few people unsure of whether their vote counted, I think it > would be a good idea for the vote-taker to post the partial list of who > voted ...  Well, there is a procedural problem here.  Normally if a mass acknowledgment is posted, it is done together with a repeat Call For Votes, which makes sense since if your vote didn't arrive then you know where to try again. However, I announced in advance that there would be only one repeat CFV, which has gone out, and (as allowed by the guidelines) I didn't do a mass ack at that time.  If I repeat the CFV now, wouldn't that be considered improper electioneering? After all, the usual purpose of a repeat-CFV is to attract more votes in favor of the proposal.  But if I post a mass ack with a repeat-CFV, and the proposal then wins by a narrow margin, people will complain that the extra CFV made the difference and I had originally promised not to issue it. If I post a mass ack without a repeat-CFV, then people whose copy of the CFV article expired may complain that they don't know where to vote.  Either way, people may complain that the mass ack was posted too near the end of the voting period (votes must be received by Monday, December 14, reckoned by Toronto time).  And then, if I don't post, then people will complain that I'm being unresponsive to criticism of my vote-taking, which I'm trying to bend over backwards to conduct in a manner beyond reproach.  My decision is to take the second of these three options, subject to the approval of the moderator of news.announce.newgroups [which, if you see this, has been granted].  If you want a copy of the CFV (which contains the text of the original proposal, and various voting addresses) please mail me at [email protected], [email protected], or [email protected] and ask for one.  Below is a list of the votes received up to 1:45 pm EST, December 9, as identified by From: line.  Last day to vote is Monday, December 14. This is not a thoroughly cleaned-up list and may contain a few spurious entries.  From: lines such as root and mailer-daemon have been deleted.  Followups are directed to news.groups.  If you post a followup, please be sure to avoid including the whole ~850 lines of this message!  A Damned Yankee! ! <[email protected]> "Aaron " Fish " Lav" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Tim Dierks, software saboteur) [email protected] (Al Wesolowsky) [email protected] (Antony Cooper) Adam Justin Thornton <[email protected]> [email protected] (Terry Monks) [email protected] (Adrian Barnes) [email protected] (Al Dykes) [email protected] (Mark Allman) [email protected] [email protected] (Adrian Godwin) [email protected] [email protected] (Andreas Meyer) [email protected] (Walter Hunt) Alan Hughes <[email protected]> Alan P Barrett <[email protected]> Alan Thew <[email protected]> [email protected] (Alan Fleming) [email protected] (Sabah S. Albinali) [email protected] (Alec Muffett - Sun IS -  system administration) Alexandre Pechtchanski <[email protected]> Alexios Zavras <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ross Smith) Alun Jones <[email protected]> [email protected] Anders Wegge Jakobsen <[email protected]> Andrew Brown <[email protected]> Andrew Kenneth Milton <[email protected]> Andrew KUCHLING <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andrew Hamilton-Wright) Andy Guy <[email protected]> Andy Holyer <[email protected]> [email protected] (Andrew Hackard) [email protected] (Andrew Finkenstadt) Anssi Oorni <[email protected]> [email protected] (Aaron  Ramsey) Argun Tekant <[email protected]> [email protected] (Cathy Hampton) Arlie Davis <[email protected]> Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]> Arnt Gulbrandsen <[email protected]> [email protected] Art Nicolaysen <[email protected]> [email protected] (Arthur Rubin) [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert F. Benningfield) [email protected] (Vadim Antonov) [email protected] (Brian Court) [email protected] (Jan Isley) [email protected] (Ed Bailey) "Barry (B.L.) Friedman" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Brian Cooper) [email protected] (Dennis Petrocelli) [email protected] (David Beckman) Bengt Larsson <[email protected]> [email protected] B.J.25-Nov-19920927 <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ben Jackson) [email protected] (Brian Lee Daniels) [email protected] [email protected] (Barbara La Scala) [email protected] (Bruce M. Walker) Bob Billson <[email protected]> bob nutter <[email protected]> [email protected] Brian Dickson  [email protected] (Brian TroxeLL) Bruce Clement <[email protected]> [email protected] (Sammy) [email protected] (Matt DiMeo) Bucky Whaley <[email protected]> [email protected] <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mike Byrne) "C G Kolar" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Scott Franklin Callicutt) [email protected] (Charles Perkins) [email protected] (Ric Crabbe) Carl <[email protected]> Carlo Sgro <[email protected]> Catherine Caston <[email protected]> [email protected] (Catherine Anne Foulston) [email protected] (Eric S. Raymond) [email protected] (Huw Davies) [email protected] [email protected] (Charles M. Shub) [email protected] () [email protected] (Chris Galas) [email protected] (DoN. Nichols) [email protected] (Christopher Gilmore) [email protected] (Carl G. Schott) [email protected] (Len Charest) Charles Lasner <[email protected]> Charles Shub <[email protected]> [email protected] Charlton Wilbur <[email protected]> "Cheryl Lins" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Chip Salzenberg) < (Chris Eich) [email protected]> Chris Herborth <[email protected]> Chris Keane <[email protected]> "Chris Kent Kantarjiev" <[email protected]> Chris Marble <[email protected]> Chris Siebenmann <[email protected]> [email protected] (Christa Keil) Christian Kuehnke <[email protected]> Christopher Davis <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dazed N. Confused) [email protected] (Mika Raunio) [email protected] (Christopher Jackson) Claus Brod <[email protected]> Clive Newall <[email protected]> [email protected] (Clive Feather) [email protected] (Cory L. Scott) [email protected] [email protected] (Andrei Cogan) "Colin Perkins" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Peter Cooper) [email protected] (Kriston J. Rehberg) [email protected] (Chris Cebelenski) [email protected] [email protected] (Craig Richardson "who was... bizarre") [email protected] (Mark Fletcher) [email protected] (Clare West) <[email protected]> "CyberNinja" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Christian Brunschen) [email protected] (Lars Joensson) [email protected] Daan Sandee <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lawrence Daffner) [email protected] (Jan-Erik Dahlin) "Dan Eaves" <[email protected]> Dan Smith <[email protected]> [email protected] (David Rubie) [email protected] (Dartanyan the Witchling) [email protected] (Daryl Spitzer) Dave Beckett <[email protected]> Dave Brown <[email protected]> Dave Green <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Dave Wagner) "David B. Horvath, CDP" <[email protected]> David Beckett <[email protected]> David Buckley <[email protected]> David Calhoun <[email protected]> David Cook <[email protected]> David E A Wilson <[email protected]> David Gurr <[email protected]> "David H. Thornley" <[email protected]> David Lutz <[email protected]> "David O. Dodge" <[email protected]> David Reeve Sward <[email protected]> "David W. Rankin Jr." <[email protected]> "David W. Talmage" <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (David C. Tuttle) [email protected] Dean Gaudet <[email protected]> Dennis Brennan <[email protected]> [email protected] (Theo Deraadt) Devin the Elephant <[email protected]> Dick Snippe <[email protected]> dick.zeitlin%[email protected] (Dick Zeitlin) "digital dave, 927-1052" <[email protected]> D.J.Trindle<[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Dave Brooks) [email protected] (Kennelmeister) Don Newell <[email protected]> Donald Acton <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rich Donald) [email protected] (Don Stokes) Doron Meyer <[email protected]> Doug Jefferys <[email protected]> "Doug Rady" <[email protected]> Doug Siebert <[email protected]> "Douglas C. Wells" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Doug McNaught) [email protected] [email protected] (Jeff DelPapa) <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lars Duening) [email protected] (Dave Williams) [email protected] Earle Ake <[email protected]> "Ed Costello" <[email protected]> Ed Deaton [email protected]> Eddie Crawford <[email protected]> Eddie Saxe <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Edward Reid) [email protected] (Edward Rice) [email protected] [email protected] (Paul Eggert) [email protected] (Oerjan Johansen) [email protected] [email protected] (Eric Rescorla) [email protected] (luis fernandes) Eli Brandt <[email protected]> Elizabeth Fike <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Elon Danziger) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) Emily R Juda <[email protected]> [email protected] (Edouard Malachi     Poor           ) [email protected] (Erkka Sutinen) "Eric J. 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From [email protected] Tue Dec 15 22:13:27 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.folklore.computers,alt.config,comp.society.folklore Subject: RESULT: comp.society.folklore unmoderation fails 729:151 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:31:41 -0500 Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 1071 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Summary: alt.folklore.computers stays where it is Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3061 news.groups:63285 alt.folklore.computers:35927 alt.config:13386 comp.society.folklore:4  My proposal to unmoderate comp.society.folklore and make it a replacement for alt.folklore.computers has been given one of the most decisive defeats I have ever seen a newsgroup proposal suffer.  Frankly, I expected my proposal to fail its vote.  But my guess was that the Yes and No votes would be roughly equal.  It's true that the postings during the discussion period were mostly on one side, but the whole reason for conducting a vote is that the balance of postings is not necessarily representative of the readership as a whole -- we've seen that in other newsgroup votes.  In other words, my guess might have been wrong.  [Well, it was!] And since I still believed that the proposed change was a Good Thing, and I had raised the issue in the first place, I felt obliged to go through with the vote.  The issue was clear within a couple of days -- a secret which helped me keep my equanimity in the flamewar -- but the guidelines do not allow a vote to be aborted once it's started.  At the end of this article, just for interest, I include a day-by-day summary of the messages received in the ballot boxes.  If my original guess had been close and the proposal had failed by a narrow margin, I would have considered alternative plans for "promoting alt.folklore.computers out of the sewer".  The decisive vote makes it clear that any such proposal would fail, and I would like to thank the voters for delivering this message so clearly (and, for the most part, politely).  This is my last word on the topic of comp.society.folklore, until and unless someone *else* proposes doing something with it. In case there are any followups, I have directed them to news.groups.   In each list of votes below, the names and addresses are given as found on the From: line of the mail message(s) received.  Where there was a personal name in the message body but not one in the From: line, I have added it in square brackets.  The list is alphabetized by surnames where I could identify these, otherwise by first name, login name, etc. as shown in the left-hand column.  I have done my best to get everything right, but in such a long list there may be a few errors.  Heck, there may even be a few votes missing.  Anyone want to call for a re-vote? :-)   The following votes were not counted:  (a) 1 obvious prank: 		 		[email protected]  (b) 5 votes without names issued from non-personal accounts:  		[email protected] (Operator) 		Iowa Student Computer Association <[email protected]> 		[email protected] (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme) 		[email protected] (System PRIVILEGED Account) 		[email protected] (VIDA Telnet Account)  (c) 3 people who each voted once or twice each way, with no clear     statement that the later vote was intended as a correction: 		       Drucker     [email protected] (Daniel Drucker)       Muffett     [email protected] (Alec Muffett - Sun IS - 		system administration)       Vilhuber    [email protected] (Jan Vilhuber) 		 (d) 1 person who sent in a vote which indicated in its text that it     was not a vote on the entire proposal:        Virden      [email protected] (Larry W. Virden, x2487)      (Yes, I did read every vote.  But not until after the voting period      was over.)  (e) 2 people who asked to withdraw their original votes:        Beckett     Dave Beckett <[email protected]>       Johansen    Frank Tore Johansen <[email protected]>   Duplicate votes from identical addresses were not enumerated -- that is, the voter lists were run through "sort -u".  Messages from different addresses for what appears to be the same person are also considered as duplicates, and marked /DUPLICATE/ in the lists below. (There is no implication of wrongdoing or even silliness in this; people will sometimes forget that they already voted, or they will re-vote, maybe from another site, if an auto-ack does not reach them.)  Messages which appeared to be from different people with the same name are marked /NAMESAKE/.  Votes with many repetitions of "Yes" or "No", with numerous exclamation marks, or with such rhetoric as "A thousand times Yes/No" -- there was one of those on each side, by the way -- were counted as one vote each. Just thought I'd make that clear for next time. :-)   The following votes were counted in the opposite sense to that of the ballot box in which each vote originally arrived.  These appearance of the names in the Yes or No list below shows how they were counted.  (a) 7 people who wrote to say either that they had changed their mind     or that the auto-acknowledgment showed that their vote had reached     the other ballot box from the one they had intended.        Gulbrandse  Arnt Gulbrandsen <[email protected]>       Mullun      kieran <[email protected]> [Kieran Mullen]       Otto        "M. Otto" <[email protected]>       Owen        [email protected] (Lamar Owen)       pierce      [email protected] (jimmy malcolm pierce)       Sward       David Reeve Sward <[email protected]>       VanDevende  [email protected] (Steve VanDevender)  (b) 1 person who voted 8 times, voting the same way every time but the     first.  Also the first vote to arrive was marked "third time lucky",     I felt that the other 7 votes were a sufficiently clear expression     of intent that the majority of his personalities should win. :-)     I think we know one more person that the auto-reply did not reach...        Plum        <[email protected]> [Nicolai E.M. Plum] 		/DUPLICATE/ <[email protected]> [Nicolai E.M. Plum] 		/DUPLICATE/ Mr N E Plum <[email protected]>    AND NOW, THE VOTES.  First, the pinheads, lackeys, stooges, and would-be hijackers :-) -- the Yes votes.     1. Apostolos   [email protected] (Apostolos Karmirantzos)    2. Arromdee    [email protected] [Ken Arromdee]    3. Aurit       Mark Aurit <[email protected]>    4. Barnes      [email protected] (Adrian Barnes)    5. Bedner      Ilja Bedner <[email protected]>    6. Bennett     "Geoffrey D. Bennett" <[email protected]>    7. Benningfie  [email protected] (Robert F. Benningfield)    8. Black       [email protected] (Greg Black)    9. Blake       [email protected] (James  Blake)   10. Boerger     [email protected] (Ron Boerger)   11. Brader      msb (Mark Brader)   12. Brannigan   Tony Brannigan <[email protected]>   13. Breidbart   [email protected] (Seth Breidbart)   14. Brooks      [email protected] (Dave Brooks)   15. Byrne       [email protected] (Mike Byrne)   16. Camplbell   [email protected] (Iain Camplbell) [sic]   17. Carlin      [email protected] (Jerry M. Carlin)   18. Carr        Jim Carr (644-7044) <[email protected]>   19. Chapman     Jay Brendan Chapman <[email protected]>   20. Charest     [email protected] (Len Charest)   21. Choquette   [email protected] (Lee Choquette)   22. Cline       Ernest Cline <[email protected]>   23. Cohen       Robert Cohen <[email protected]>   24. Cole        [email protected] (Frank Cole)   25. Creighton   "Jonathan Creighton" <[email protected]>   26. Dahlin      [email protected] (Jan-Erik Dahlin)   27. Davies      [email protected] (James Davies)   28. Davis       Jim Davis <[email protected]>   29. Deaton      Ed Deaton [email protected]>   30. Denoncourt  "Phil Denoncourt III" <[email protected]>   31. dick        [email protected]   32. Dickson     Brian Dickson    33. digital     "digital dave, 927-1052" <[email protected]>   34. DIXON       [email protected] [MEREDITH DIXON]   35. Drushel     [email protected] (Richard F. Drushel)   36. Duncan      [email protected] (John Duncan)   37. Early       [email protected] (John.) [John Early]   38. Eich        < (Chris Eich) [email protected]>   39. Evans       Gwyn Evans 07-Dec-1992 1252 <[email protected]>   40. Feather     [email protected] (Clive Feather)   41. Feitler     [email protected] (Joseph Feitler)   42. Fera        [email protected] (Vince Della Fera)   43. Fessler     Mike Fessler <[email protected]>   44. Finder      "Randolph J. Finder" <[email protected]>   45. Fish        [email protected] (Fish)   46. Forrester   maurice <[email protected]> [Maurice Forrester]   47. Galas       [email protected] (Chris Galas)   48. Galley      Stu Galley <[email protected]>   49. Gasser      "Thomas D. Gasser" <[email protected]>   50. Gerlek      [email protected] (Michael Gerlek)   51. Gillespie   [email protected] [Laura Gillespie]   52. Golson      [email protected] (Steve Golson)   53. GRAHAM      GREGORY S GRAHAM <[email protected]>   54. Grout       [email protected] (John R. Grout)   55. Gumpertz    [email protected] (Richard H. Gumpertz)   56. Gurbani     [email protected] (Vijay Gurbani)   57. Hampton     [email protected] (Cathy Hampton)   58. Hansen      Kim Berg Hansen <[email protected]>   59. Harrison    uunet!digi.lonestar.org!mharriso (Mark Harrison)   60. herbison    <[email protected]>   61. Heydon      Kevan Heydon <[email protected]>   62. Holst       [email protected] (Roger Holst)   63. Holyer      Andy Holyer <[email protected]>   64. Horvath     "David B. Horvath, CDP" <[email protected]>   65. Huff        [email protected] (Edward J. Huff)   66. Hunt        Jim Hunt <[email protected]>   67. Jackson     [email protected] (Christopher Jackson)   68. Jefferys    Doug Jefferys <[email protected]>   69. Jesup       [email protected] (Randell Jesup)   70. Jewett      [email protected] (Jim Jewett)   71. Johnson     paj <[email protected]> [Paul Johnson]   72. Jones       [email protected] [Howard Jones]   73. jzarin      [email protected]   74. Kane        [email protected] (Terry Kane)   75. Kasab       [email protected] (John J. Kasab)   76. Keeler      [email protected] (Elissa Keeler)   77. Keil        [email protected] (Christa Keil)   78. Kimmel      Tami Dawn Kimmel <[email protected]>   79. Koppel      tkoppel%[email protected] (Ted Koppel)   80. Lamont      [email protected] (Steve Lamont)   81. Landolina   wcl%[email protected] (Bill Landolina)   82. Limoncelli  Tom Limoncelli <[email protected]>   83. Loker       [email protected] (Geoff Loker)   84. Malet       Giles D Malet <[email protected]>   85. marsham     [email protected]   86. martin      [email protected] (niels r martin)   87. Mattsson    Jan Mattsson <[email protected]>   88. matwood     [email protected]   89. Maynard     Jay Maynard <[email protected]>   90. McDaniel    [email protected] (Tim McDaniel)   91. McGregor    [email protected] (Alayne McGregor)   92. McGuire     [email protected] (Ed McGuire)   93. McKinnon    [email protected]   94. McKinzie    Mark McKinzie <[email protected]>   95. Medley      [email protected] (Bert Medley)   96. Miya        [email protected] (Eugene N. Miya)   97. Mountifiel  [email protected] (Tony Mountifield)   98. Nareid      Helge Nareid <[email protected]>   99. Neeracher   Matthias Neeracher <[email protected]>  100. Noble       R James Noble <[email protected]>  101. Nyman       Fredrik Nyman <[email protected]>  102. Parknert    [email protected] (Mikael Parknert)  103. Patterson   Jane Patterson <[email protected]>  104. Peed        [email protected] (Andrew Peed)  105. Pratt       [email protected] (Robert Pratt)  106. pshuang     [email protected]  107. Pulver      Gerald Pulver <[email protected]>  108. Quinn       Michael Quinn <[email protected]>  109. Ramsey      [email protected] (Aaron  Ramsey)  110. Rankin      "David W. Rankin Jr." <[email protected]>  111. Raymond     [email protected] (Eric S. Raymond)  112. Rehberg     [email protected] (Kriston J. Rehberg)  113. Reid        [email protected] (Edward Reid)  114. Reilly      [email protected] [George V. Reilly]  115. Relihan     Liam Relihan <[email protected]>  116. Riddle      [email protected] (Prentiss Riddle)  117. Rink        The Rink <[email protected]> 		/DUPLICATE/ The Rink <[email protected]>  118. Rubin       [email protected] (Arthur Rubin)  119. Sammy       [email protected] (Sammy)  120. Sanders-Un  Wayne Sanders-Unrein 714-952-5773 24-Nov-1992 1214 		<[email protected]>  121. Sawyer      Michael Sawyer <[email protected]>  122. Sawyer      [email protected] (Paul S. Sawyer)  123. Schipper    W Schipper <[email protected]>  124. Schulz      [email protected] (Russell Schulz)  125. Scott       [email protected] (Dave Scott)  126. Siebenmann  Chris Siebenmann <[email protected]>  127. Sieverts    Lisa Sieverts <[email protected]>  128. Smith       [email protected] (Joe Smith)  129. Smith       [email protected] (Mike Smith x3297)  130. Smith       [email protected] (Stephen Joseph Smith)  131. Smith       [email protected] (Rick Smith)  132. Soltau      [email protected] (Lars Soltau)  133. steinly     [email protected]  134. Stokes      [email protected] (Don Stokes)  135. Sutela      Kari Sutela <[email protected]>  136. Sward       David Reeve Sward <[email protected]>  137. Tannenbaum  Saul Tannenbaum <[email protected]>  138. Tell me     "Tell me I'm a sinner, I got news for you. I spoke to God 		this morning and he don't like you..." 		<[email protected]>  139. Thomson     [email protected] (Rich Thomson)  140. Thornley    "David H. Thornley" <[email protected]>  141. True        [email protected] (Lynda L. True)  142. Tuttle      [email protected] (David C. Tuttle)  143. vanegas     [email protected] (rodrigo vanegas)  144. Vos         Gerben 'P' Vos <[email protected]>  145. WANDSCHNEI  [email protected] (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)  146. Warren      [email protected] (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren)  147. Weber-Fahr  [email protected] [Christoph Weber-Fahr]  148. Werner      [email protected] (John Werner)  149. Widom       Steven Widom <[email protected]>  150. Wiegand     [email protected] (James Wiegand)  151. Wollman     [email protected]   And finally, the puppy-killers :-) -- the No votes.     1. aardvarkio  matthew aardvarkious <[email protected]>    2. Acton       Donald Acton <[email protected]>    3. Adams       [email protected] (John "Vlad" Adams) 		/DUPLICATE/ "John 'Vlad' Adams" <[email protected]>    4. Ahiska      [email protected] (Bart Simps... er.. Oktay Ahiska)    5. ahm         [email protected]    6. Ake         Earle Ake <[email protected]>    7. Alain       [email protected] (Knaff Alain)    8. Albinali    [email protected] (Sabah S. Albinali)    9. Alderson    Rich Alderson <[email protected]>   10. Allman      [email protected] (Mark Allman)   11. AMCONN01    [email protected]   12. and the ey  [email protected] (and the eyes in his head 		see the World spinning round)   13. Anderson    Julian Anderson <[email protected]>   14. Andrade     [email protected] (Jason Andrade)   15. Antonov     [email protected] (Vadim Antonov)   16. Arthur      [email protected] (Alan Arthur)   17. asale       [email protected]   18. atendid     [email protected]   19. aultj       <[email protected]>   20. Aurbakken   Odd Einar Aurbakken <[email protected]>   21. Austin      Stephen Mark Austin <[email protected]>   22. Bailey      [email protected] (Ed Bailey)   23. Baker       [email protected] (Mark Baker)   24. Baldwin     [email protected] (John Baldwin)   25. Balicki     [email protected] (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)   26. Ballantyne  Scott Ballantyne <[email protected]sr.com>   27. Barr        David Barr <[email protected]>   28. Barrett     Alan P Barrett <[email protected]>   29. Barron      [email protected]   30. Bartel      [email protected] (Les Bartel)   31. Batten      Ian G Batten <[email protected]>   32. Bauge       [email protected] (Eric Bauge)   33. Beagle      Thomas Beagle <[email protected]>   34. Beattie     Malcolm Beattie <[email protected]>   35. Beckman     [email protected] (David Beckman)   36. Berryhill   "John Berryhill"@udel.edu, "Ph.D." <[email protected]>   37. Bickers     [email protected] (John Bickers)   38. Billson     Bob Billson <[email protected]>   39. Bird        Robert Bird <[email protected]>   40. Birdsall    [email protected] (James W. Birdsall)   41. Blasik      [email protected] (John Blasik)   42. Blight      [email protected] [David C Blight]   43. Blumberg    Seth the Lesser <[email protected]> 		[Seth L. Blumberg]   44. Blumson     Sarr Blumson <[email protected]>   45. Blustein    Jamie Blustein <[email protected]>   46. Bochner     [email protected] [Harry Bochner]   47. Boucher     Robert Boucher <[email protected]>   48. Boutell     Stuart Boutell <[email protected]>   49. Bowers      Mike Bowers <[email protected]>   50. BRANAGH     Wayne BRANAGH <[email protected]>   51. Brandt      Eli Brandt <[email protected]>   52. Braunbeck   [email protected] 		(Thomas Braunbeck)   53. breck       breck <[email protected]>   54. Brennan     Dennis Brennan <[email protected]>   55. Bricker     [email protected] [Preston Bricker]   56. Brod        Claus Brod <[email protected]>   57. Broe        [email protected] (Paul Broe)   58. Brown       Andrew Brown <[email protected]>   59. Brown       Dave Brown <[email protected]>   60. Brown       [email protected] (Kennelmeister) [Alan Brown]   61. Brunner     "Robert K. Brunner" <[email protected]>   62. Brunschen   [email protected] (Christian Brunschen)   63. Buckley     David Buckley <[email protected]>   64. Burg        [email protected] (Phil Burg)   65. burow       [email protected]   66. Burstein    [email protected] (Warren Burstein)   67. Butler      [email protected] (Malcolm Butler)   68. byh         <[email protected]>   69. Byrnes      [email protected] (Steven Byrnes)   70. Calhoun     David Calhoun <[email protected]>   71. calle       [email protected]   72. Callicutt   [email protected] (Scott Franklin Callicutt)   73. Camm        <[email protected]> [Robert S. Camm]   74. Carithers   [email protected] (Warren R Carithers)   75. Carl        Carl <[email protected]>   76. Carroll     Terry Carroll <[email protected]>   77. Casburn     Steven M Casburn <[email protected]>   78. Case        [email protected] (Sean Case)   79. Caston      Catherine Caston <[email protected]>   80. Cavallino   "John Cavallino" <[email protected]>   81. ccs         [email protected]   82. Cebelenski  [email protected] (Chris Cebelenski)   83. Chacon      [email protected] (James Michael Chacon)   84. Chan        [email protected] (Terry Chan)   85. Chenoweth   Steve Chenoweth <[email protected]>   86. chil        [email protected]   87. Christian   [email protected] (Meunier Christian)   88. Cilek       [email protected] (Charles Cilek)   89. Clement     Bruce Clement <[email protected]>   90. Clements    Steve Clements <[email protected]>   91. Cogan       [email protected] (Andrei Cogan)   92. Coghlan     Mike Coghlan <[email protected]>   93. Combs       [email protected] [Dave Combs]   94. Confused    [email protected] (Dazed N. Confused)   95. Conner      [email protected] (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner)   96. Conway      Steve Conway <[email protected]>   97. Cook        David Cook <[email protected]>   98. Cooper      [email protected] (Antony Cooper)   99. Cooper      [email protected] (Brian Cooper)  100. Cooper      [email protected] (Peter Cooper)  101. Cooper      [email protected] (Todd Cooper)  102. Corcoran    [email protected] (Travis Corcoran)  103. Cornwall    [email protected] (Andrew Cornwall)  104. Costello    "Ed Costello" <[email protected]>  105. Cotner      <[email protected]> [Carl Cotner]  106. Court       [email protected] (Brian Court)  107. Crabbe      [email protected] (Ric Crabbe)  108. Craghead    [email protected] (Sam Craghead)  109. Crane       Stephen Crane <[email protected]>  110. Cranswick   Lachlan Cranswick <[email protected]>  111. Crawford    Eddie Crawford <[email protected]>  112. Crosby      Matthew Crosby <[email protected]>  113. Curtin      [email protected] 		(Matthew Curtin)  114. CyberNinja  "CyberNinja" <[email protected]>  115. d88-bli     [email protected]  116. d91a1bo     [email protected]  117. da Silva    [email protected] (Peter da Silva)  118. Daffner     [email protected] (Lawrence Daffner)  119. Dahlhausen  [email protected] (Kevin P. Dahlhausen)  120. Damned      <[email protected]> [A Damned Yankee! !]  121. Daniels     [email protected] (Brian Lee Daniels)  122. Danziger    [email protected] (Elon Danziger)  123. Dave        The One True Dave <[email protected]>  124. davewi      [email protected]  125. Davey       [email protected] (Paul Davey)  126. Davidson    Dean Davidson <[email protected]>  127. Davies      [email protected] (Huw Davies)  128. davies      [email protected]  129. Davis       Arlie Davis <[email protected]>  130. Davis       Christopher Davis <[email protected]>  131. Davis       "Karleen S. Davis" <[email protected]>  132. Davis       [email protected]  133. Davis       [email protected] (Steve Davis)  134. Dawson      [email protected]  135. Dawson      Terry Dawson <[email protected]>  136. de Leon     Laura Kirk de Leon <[email protected]>  137. de Re       [email protected] (Lucio de Re)  138. deacon      [email protected]  139. Deerwester  [email protected] (Dr. Scott Deerwester)  140. Delany      [email protected] (Dan Delany)  141. DelPapa     [email protected] (Jeff DelPapa)  142. Deraadt     [email protected] (Theo Deraadt)  143. Derr        Todd J Derr <[email protected]>  144. Dierks      [email protected] (Tim Dierks, software saboteur)  145. DiMeo       [email protected] (Matt DiMeo)  146. Dippold     Ron Dippold <[email protected]>  147. dk-b        [email protected]  148. dmb         [email protected]  149. Dodge       "David O. Dodge" <[email protected]>  150. Doering     Laurence Doering <[email protected]>  151. Doherty     Gavin Doherty <[email protected]>  152. Donald      [email protected] (Rich Donald)  153. Donovan     BTDonovan <[email protected]>  154. dpg         [email protected]  155. Driemeyer   [email protected] (Thomas Driemeyer)  156. Driscoll    [email protected] (Jim Driscoll)  157. Drive       [email protected] (Xian the Drive)  158. Duening     [email protected] (Lars Duening)  159. Dunlap      [email protected] (Linda B Dunlap)  160. Dutcher     Sylvia Dutcher <[email protected]>  161. Dykes       [email protected] (Al Dykes)  162. Dyrnes      Erlend Dyrnes <[email protected]>  163. Eaves       "Dan Eaves" <[email protected]>  164. Eddy        [email protected] [David Eddy]  165. edremy      [email protected]  166. Eerola      Ville Eerola <[email protected]>  167. EESD2AG     [email protected]  168. Eggert      [email protected] (Paul Eggert)  169. Eijkhout    [email protected] [Victor Eijkhout]  170. eivind      [email protected]  171. Elephant    Devin the Elephant <[email protected]>  172. Elg         "Peter R. Elg" <[email protected]>  173. ELLINGSEN   [email protected]  174. Elliott     [email protected] (Glenn E. Elliott 965-6339)  175. Emanuelsso  [email protected] (P{r Emanuelsson)  176. English     [email protected]  177. Ennis       [email protected] (Fred Ennis)  178. erichs      [email protected]  179. Eriksson    Johnny Eriksson <[email protected]>  180. Erskine     Thomas Erskine <[email protected]>  181. Essig       <[email protected]> [Robert A. Essig]  182. Everett     [email protected] (Mark Everett)  183. FAIRHEAD    FAIRHEAD Laurent <[email protected]>  184. Farley      [email protected] (John Farley)  185. Fenner      William C Fenner <[email protected]>  186. fernandes   [email protected] (luis fernandes)  187. Fernandez   Lou Fernandez <[email protected]>  188. Ferro       "Jonathan R. Ferro" <[email protected]>  189. Fetrow      David Fetrow <[email protected]>  190. Fike        Elizabeth Fike <[email protected]>  191. Findlay     "Gordon Findlay, Computer Scientist, Christchurch School 		of Medicine, NZL" <[email protected]>  192. Finkenstad  [email protected] (Andrew Finkenstadt)  193. fiuk        [email protected] (Magyar fiuk)  194. Fleming     [email protected] (Alan Fleming)  195. Fletcher    [email protected] (Mark Fletcher)  196. Forbes      [email protected] (Michael S Forbes)  197. Forward     Ken Forward <[email protected]>  198. Foulston    [email protected] (Catherine Anne Foulston)  199. fox         [email protected]  200. Frank       [email protected] (Marc G. Frank)  201. Frank       Ted Frank <[email protected]>  202. Franklin    [email protected] (Ryan J Franklin )  203. Fredriksso  [email protected] (Urban F) [Urban Fredriksson]  204. Friedman    "Barry (B.L.) Friedman" <[email protected]>  205. Friedman    Michael Friedman <[email protected]>  206. FRITZ       [email protected]  207. Frueh       [email protected] (Richard Frueh)  208. FURRJK      [email protected]  209. Gaillard    [email protected] (Ed Gaillard)  210. Gaiser      [email protected] (Jerry Gaiser)  211. Gallun      [email protected] (Joel K Gallun)  212. Garcia      [email protected] [Anthony Garcia]  213. gardner     [email protected]  214. Gaudet      Dean Gaudet <[email protected]>  215. Gawboy      Galen Gawboy <[email protected]>  216. Gearhart    [email protected] (Cathy Gearhart)  217. Geoff       <[email protected]>  218. Gerwitz     Paul Gerwitz <[email protected]>  219. Gill        [email protected] (Graeme Gill)  220. Gilmore     [email protected] (Christopher Gilmore)  221. Ginzburg    [email protected] (Lionel Ginzburg)  222. Gix         [email protected] (Brian Gix)  223. Gleeson     [email protected] (Red Mountain) [Martin J. Gleeson]  224. Glidewell   [email protected] (James Glidewell)  225. Gnome       [email protected] (The Graphical Gnome)  226. god         [email protected]  227. Godwin      [email protected] (Adrian Godwin)  228. Goedde      Chris Goedde <[email protected]>  229. Gonzales    [email protected] (Mark Gonzales)  230. Gowing      Stephen Boyd Gowing <[email protected]>  231. Grant       Grant <[email protected]>  232. Gray        Randall Gray <[email protected]>  233. Green       Dave Green <[email protected]>  234. Greenberg   [email protected] (Rich Greenberg)  235. Greenwood   [email protected] (Liam Greenwood)  236. Grenadier   [email protected] (Grenadier)  237. Griffitts   [email protected] (Jonathan Griffitts)  238. grnbrg      [email protected]  239. Groeschel   [email protected] (Craig Groeschel)  240. Guertin     Paul Guertin <[email protected]>  241. Guillaume   [email protected] (Florent Guillaume)  242. Gulbrandse  Arnt Gulbrandsen <[email protected]>  243. Gurr        David Gurr <[email protected]>  244. Gustafson   Phil Gustafson <[email protected]>  245. Guy         Andy Guy <[email protected]>  246. Hackard     [email protected] (Andrew Hackard)  247. Hacker      <[email protected]> [Matthew W.Hacker]  248. hades       [email protected]  249. Hague       [email protected] (James Hague)  250. Hales       [email protected] (Loyde Hales ~)  251. Hallam-Bak  "Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <[email protected]>  252. Hamilton-W  [email protected] (Andrew Hamilton-Wright)  253. Hamner      [email protected] (Simon Hamner)  254. Hanes       [email protected] (Joel Hanes)  255. Hankins     Greg Hankins [email protected]>  256. Hardwick    [email protected] [Jonathan Hardwick]  257. Hardy       Paul Hardy <[email protected]>  258. Harrelson   [email protected] (Charles Harrelson)  259. Harrison    Paul Harrison <[email protected]>  260. Hartman     [email protected] (Richard M. Hartman)  261. Hartman     Pete Hartman <[email protected]>  262. Hartung     [email protected] (Dan Hartung)  263. Harvey      James Harvey <[email protected]>  264. Hasselbach  Kyle Hasselbacher <[email protected]>  265. Haul        [email protected] (Jan Hinnerk Haul)  266. Haviland    [email protected] (Julia Haviland)  267. hebrais     [email protected]  268. Hees        Phil Hees <[email protected]>  269. Helbein     [email protected] (Howard Helbein)  270. Helbekkmo   Tom Ivar Helbekkmo <[email protected]>  271. Helwig      Samuel Roy Helwig <[email protected]>  272. Hembrow     [email protected] (David Hembrow)  273. Herborth    Chris Herborth <[email protected]>  274. hermit      [email protected]  275. Herron      Kenneth Herron <[email protected]>  276. Hightower   [email protected] (James Hightower)  277. Himanka     [email protected] (Janne Himanka)  278. H{nninen    @fuug.fi:[email protected] (Mikko H{nninen)  279. Ho          Richard Ho <[email protected]>  280. Hobley      [email protected] [David Hobley]  281. Hoekman     [email protected] (David H.) [David Hoekman]  282. Hoey        [email protected] [Dan Hoey]  283. Holl        [email protected] (Bernie Holl)  284. Holmberg    Magnus Holmberg <[email protected]>  285. Holmstrom   Mats Holmstrom <[email protected]>  286. Honniball   John Honniball <[email protected]>  287. Hornstein   Ken Hornstein <[email protected]>  288. Hubbard     [email protected] (Hamish Hubbard)  289. Hughes      Alan Hughes <[email protected]>  290. Hunt        [email protected] (Walter Hunt)  291. Hunt        [email protected] (Laura Hunt)  292. Huss        [email protected]  293. Hutchinson  Roland Hutchinson <[email protected]>  294. iisakkil    <[email protected]>  295. Insel       [email protected] (Thomas Aaron Insel)  296. Isley       [email protected] (Jan Isley)  297. iwj         <[email protected]>  298. Jackson     [email protected] (Ben Jackson)  299. Jackson     Michel T Jackson <[email protected]>  300. Jacobi      [email protected] (Mike Jacobi; NAVSSES 012C; 		VAX SYSTEM MANAGER)  301. Jakobsen    Anders Wegge Jakobsen <[email protected]>  302. Jan         Moren Jan <[email protected]>  303. Jansen      [email protected] (Rico Jansen)  304. Jarnot      [email protected] (Kevin J. Jarnot)  305. Jarrell     "Ronald A. Jarrell" <[email protected]>  306. Jennings    Michael Jennings <[email protected]>  307. Jewell      uunet!Data-IO.COM!jewell (Cal Jewell)  308. jkp         [email protected]  309. Joensson    [email protected] (Lars Joensson)  310. Johansen    [email protected] (Oerjan Johansen)  311. Johansen    [email protected] (Flemming Sylvest Johansen)  312. john        [email protected]  313. Johnson     [email protected] (Tom Johnson)  314. Johnston    Tom Johnston <[email protected]>  315. Johnstone   Zebee Johnstone <[email protected]>  316. Jones       Alun Jones <[email protected]>  317. Jones       [email protected] (Mike Jones) /NAMESAKE/  318. Jones       [email protected] (Mike Jones) /NAMESAKE/  319. J{rvenp{{   [email protected] (Jaakko J{rvenp{{)  320. Juda        Emily R Juda <[email protected]>  321. Justen      [email protected] (Joel Justen)  322. Juul        Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]>  323. Kantarjiev  "Chris Kent Kantarjiev" <[email protected]>  324. Karish      [email protected] (Chuck Karish)  325. Katcher     [email protected] (Jeff Katcher)  326. Kaufman     "Michael L. Kaufman" <[email protected]>  327. KDW103      [email protected] ()  328. Keane       Chris Keane <[email protected]>  329. Kelley      [email protected] (Stephen Kelley)  330. Kelly       Rick Kelly <[email protected]>  331. Kempe       "(Magnus Kempe)" <[email protected]>  332. Kennedy     "Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr" <[email protected]>  333. Kentridge   [email protected]  334. Kepler      Russ Kepler <[email protected]>  335. Kernick     Phil Kernick <[email protected]>  336. ketil       [email protected]  337. kiki        [email protected]  338. Kiravuo     Timo Kiravuo <[email protected]>  339. Kirby       [email protected] (Tim Kirby)  340. klein       [email protected]  341. Kletnieks   Valdis Kletnieks <[email protected]>  342. knauer      [email protected]  343. Knauerhase  Geoffrey A Knauerhase <[email protected]>  344. Knauerhase  Joyce A Knauerhase <[email protected]>  345. Knaus       Tony Knaus <[email protected]>  346. Kochenderf  [email protected] (Vance Kochenderfer)  347. Koenig      [email protected] (Harald Koenig)  348. Koenig      Thomas Koenig <[email protected]>  349. Kolar       "C G Kolar" <[email protected]>  350. Korpela     [email protected] (Eric J. Korpela)  351. Kristianse  Klaus Ole Kristiansen <[email protected]>  352. KUCHLING    Andrew KUCHLING <[email protected]>  353. Kuder       uunet!indetech.com!david (David Kuder)  354. Kuehnke     Christian Kuehnke 		<[email protected]>  355. Kulawiec    [email protected] (Rich Kulawiec)  356. Kullberg    Mikael Kullberg <[email protected]>  357. Kuoppala    Jyrki Kuoppala <[email protected]>  358. La Scala    [email protected] (Barbara La Scala)  359. Labovitz    [email protected] (Stu Labovitz)  360. Laiho       [email protected] (Juha Laiho)  361. Lamp        John Lamp <[email protected]>  362. Lane        lane%DUPHY4%[email protected] (Charles Lane)  363. Lane        [email protected] (Geoff Lane)  364. Lange       Andrew Lange <[email protected]>  365. Larsen      [email protected] (Morten Larsen)  366. Larsson     Bengt Larsson <[email protected]>  367. Lasner      Charles Lasner <[email protected]>  368. Lav         "Aaron " Fish " Lav" <[email protected]>  369. Lawrence    "Mark C. Lawrence" <[email protected]>  370. lcs         [email protected]  371. LEB         [email protected]  372. Lee         [email protected] (Stephen Lee)  373. Lee         [email protected] (William Lee)  374. Leitz       Herbert Leitz <[email protected]>  375. Lennert     [email protected] (Ole Lennert)  376. Lennox      Jonathan M Lennox <[email protected]>  377. Lessler     Jay P Lessler <[email protected]>  378. Levitte     "Richard Levitte, System Manager @ KTH/TTT, Stockholm" 		<[email protected]>  379. Lewis       [email protected] (William Lewis)  380. lfusmsar    [email protected]  381. Librik      [email protected] (David Librik)  382. Liebeskind  "The Dixie Flatline  <[email protected]>" 		<[email protected]>  383. lin         [email protected]  384. Lindahl     Greg Lindahl <[email protected]>  385. Lindhurst   Scott Lindhurst <[email protected]>  386. Lins        "Cheryl Lins" <[email protected]>  387. Lizard      [email protected] (A.Lizard)  388. Lobaugh     [email protected] (John Lobaugh)  389. Lobo        Ronny Lobo <[email protected]>  390. Longdon     [email protected] (Garth Longdon)  391. Longrie     "Terry Longrie" <[email protected]>  392. Lounela     Olli Lounela <[email protected]>  393. Lundberg    Roger Lundberg <[email protected]>  394. Lutz        David Lutz <[email protected]>  395. ma9ah       [email protected]  396. MAC         MAC <[email protected]>  397. MacFarlane  P MacFarlane <[email protected]>  398. Macmanus    [email protected]  399. MacNicol    [email protected] (Roger MacNicol)  400. Magid       Jonathan Magid <[email protected]>  401. Maier       [email protected] (Robert S. Maier)  402. Malcolm     "Joseph Malcolm" <[email protected]>  403. Mangler     VMS Mangler <[email protected]>  404. Marble      Chris Marble <[email protected]>  405. marcel      [email protected]  406. marthag     [email protected]  407. mastr       [email protected]  408. Maurer      Jim Maurer <[email protected]>  409. May         Patrick May <[email protected]>  410. mb          [email protected]  411. MBAYA       [email protected]  412. MCASTRO     [email protected]  413. McCabe      David McCabe - System Administrator <[email protected]>  414. McConnell   [email protected] [Frank McConnell]  415. McCool      [email protected] (Rob McCool)  416. McCormick   wildcan.cvgis.prime.com!seanews.akita.com!billmcc 		(Bill McCormick)  417. McDonald    Larry Mc Donald <[email protected]>  418. McDonald    [email protected] (Matthew McDonald)  419. McDonald    [email protected] (Dr. Quentin McDonald)  420. McDougall   [email protected] (Wayne McDougall)  421. McFarland   [email protected] (Theresa McFarland)  422. mckeeveb    mckee[email protected]  423. McKinty     [email protected] (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)  424. McMurtrey   [email protected] [Diana McMurtrey]  425. McNaught    [email protected] (Doug McNaught)  426. McNeill     [email protected] (Ewen McNeill)  427. McQueen     [email protected] (David M. McQueen)  428. McQuillin   [email protected] (Tod McQuillin)  429. Me again    Me again <[email protected]>  430. Mehl        [email protected] (Nathan J. Mehl)  431. Mellish     [email protected] [Robert Mellish]  432. Melton      Ralph Melton <[email protected]>  433. mencher     ken mencher <[email protected]>  434. Meriluoto   [email protected] (Juha Meriluoto)  435. Meyer       [email protected] (Andreas Meyer)  436. Meyer       Doron Meyer <[email protected]>  437. mhpower     [email protected]  438. Miller      "Loren J. Miller" <[email protected]>  439. Miller      [email protected] (Richard H. Miller)  440. Milton      Andrew Kenneth Milton <[email protected]>  441. Minar       [email protected] (Nelson Minar)  442. Mirchandan  [email protected] (Jaideep Mirchandani)  443. Mitchell    wildcan.cvgis.prime.com!mybox.akita.com!root (Postmaster 		Account) [James Mitchell]  444. Mnelson     [email protected]  445. Monks       [email protected] (Terry Monks)  446. Monsarrat   [email protected] (Jonathan Monsarrat)  447. Morang      Stacy Morang <[email protected]>  448. Morgan      [email protected] (Wes Morgan)  449. Mortimer    [email protected] (Jeremy Mortimer)  450. MTIMONEY    [email protected]  451. Mullun      kieran <[email protected]> [Kieran Mullen]  452. Murphy      [email protected] (Alan Murphy)  453. Murphy      [email protected] (David P. Murphy)  454. Neath       [email protected] (Ian Neath)  455. neil        [email protected]  456. Newall      Clive Newall <[email protected]>  457. Newell      Don Newell <[email protected]>  458. Newman      Steven Newman <[email protected]>  459. Nibble      Lazlo Nibble <[email protected]>  460. Nichols     [email protected] (DoN. Nichols)  461. Nickelsen   [email protected] (Juergen Nickelsen)  462. Nicol       [email protected] (Gavin Thomas Nicol)  463. Nicolaysen  Art Nicolaysen <[email protected]>  464. nixon       [email protected]  465. Norris      [email protected] (Stephen Robert Norris)  466. nutter      bob nutter <[email protected]>  467. nv89-pla    [email protected]  468. O'Donnell   [email protected] (Paul O'Donnell)  469. O'Donoghue  [email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue)  470. Oke         Oke S <[email protected]> [Simon Oke]  471. Oliver      [email protected] (Mike Oliver)  472. Olson       "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]>  473. Olsson      Magnus Olsson <[email protected]>  474. Oorni       Anssi Oorni <[email protected]>  475. ORCUTT      [email protected] (BRUCE A ORCUTT)  476. O'Shea      [email protected] (Rick O'Shea)  477. Otto        "M. Otto" <[email protected]>  478. Owen        [email protected] (Lamar Owen)  479. Owsianski   [email protected] (Russell Owsianski)  480. Paladine    Heather L Paladine <[email protected]>  481. Panisset    Jean-Francois Panisset <[email protected]>  482. Papai       [email protected] [Jonathan Papai]  483. Pappin      Mark Pappin <[email protected]>  484. Parghi      Amit Parghi <[email protected]>  485. Parker      "Ronald L. Parker" <[email protected]>  486. Parry       [email protected] (James "Kibo" Parry)  487. Pascucci    "Jason R. Pascucci" <[email protected]>  488. Passaretti  [email protected] ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)  489. Patterson   [email protected]  490. pauls       [email protected]  491. Payne       [email protected] (Brad Payne)  492. Pechtchans  Alexandre Pechtchanski <[email protected]>  493. PEIRICK     [email protected] (JEROME PEIRICK)  494. Peltonen    Ismo Peltonen <@fuug.fi:[email protected]>  495. Peppe       "Roger Peppe" <[email protected]>  496. Perkins     [email protected] (Charles Perkins)  497. Perkins     "Colin Perkins" <[email protected]>  498. Persson     Lars Persson <[email protected]>  499. Pessi       Pekka Pessi <[email protected]>  500. Petrocelli  [email protected] (Dennis Petrocelli)  501. Pfeilstick  Martin Pfeilsticker 		<[email protected]>  502. Phaniraj    "V. Phaniraj" <[email protected]>  503. phill       <[email protected]>  504. Phillips    [email protected] (Chris Phillips) /NAMESAKE/  505. Phillips    [email protected] (Christopher Phillips) /NAMESAKE/  506. pierce      [email protected] (jimmy malcolm pierce)  507. Pierre      [email protected] (Sarrazin Pierre)  508. Pim         Rick Pim [email protected]>  509. Pins        Michael T Pins <[email protected]> 		/DUPLICATE/ Michael T Pins <[email protected]>  510. Pique       [email protected] (Mike Pique)  511. Plum        <[email protected]> [Nicolai E.M. Plum] 		/DUPLICATE/ <[email protected]> [Nicolai E.M. Plum] 		/DUPLICATE/ Mr N E Plum <[email protected]>  512. poe         [email protected]  513. polant      [email protected]  514. Poor        [email protected] (Edouard Malachi     Poor           )  515. Prasad      [email protected] (Shyamal Prasad)  516. Pratt       Val Pratt <[email protected]>  517. Presnell    [email protected] (Craig Presnell)  518. Protius     Protius <[email protected]>  519. prp         [email protected]  520. psd1        [email protected]  521. Pulare      Winkey Pulare 2 <[email protected]>  522. Pulley      [email protected] (H.C. Pulley)  523. Purvis      [email protected] [Malcolm Purvis]  524. Queinnec    [email protected] (Philippe Queinnec)  525. Quirk       <[email protected]> [Gym Z. Quirk]  526. Rabinowitz  [email protected] (Nancy Rabinowitz)  527. Rady        "Doug Rady" <[email protected]>  528. Rantanen    Mikko Rantanen <[email protected]>  529. Raunio      [email protected] (Mika Raunio)  530. Readwin     Neil Readwin <[email protected]>  531. Reiner      Richard Reiner <[email protected]>  532. Reistad     Morten Reistad <[email protected]>  533. Rescorla    [email protected] (Eric Rescorla)  534. Reynolds    [email protected] (Neil F. Reynolds)  535. Reynolds    [email protected] (Brian Reynolds)  536. Rice        [email protected] (Edward Rice)  537. Rice        [email protected] (Brian Rice)  538. Rich        [email protected] (non-linear Rich)  539. Richards    [email protected] (Ted Richards)  540. Richardson  [email protected] (Craig Richardson "who was... bizarre")  541. Rick        Rick <[email protected]>  542. Rickert     Neil W Rickert <[email protected]>  543. rickr       [email protected] ()  544. Riebold     Mr Philip Arthur Riebold <[email protected]>  545. Rikala      [email protected] ( Pasi Rikala)  546. Rios        [email protected] (Michael (Mike) A. Rios)  547. Ritzenthal  [email protected] (Phil Ritzenthaler)  548. Rivets      [email protected] (Bleeding Rivets)  549. Rochberg    [email protected] (David Rochberg)  550. Rocketeer   Punk Rocketeer <[email protected]>  551. Rogers      James Rogers <[email protected]>  552. Rose        Helen Trillian Rose <[email protected]>  553. Rouman      [email protected] (Jay S. Rouman)  554. Rubie       [email protected] (David Rubie)  555. Rubio       Rubio <[email protected]>  556. Ruohtula    [email protected] (Erkki Ruohtula)  557. Ruthven     "Robert Ruthven" <[email protected]>  558. Sachs       "Mark 'Mark' Sachs" <[email protected]>  559. Saleeba     Michael Saleeba <[email protected]>  560. Salzenberg  [email protected] (Chip Salzenberg)  561. sam2y       [email protected]  562. Sampemane   [email protected] (Ms. Geetanjali Sampemane)  563. Samson      [email protected] (Joseph Samson)  564. samuele     "[email protected]" <[email protected]>  565. Sandee      Daan Sandee <[email protected]>  566. Saunders    Jason Saunders <[email protected]>  567. Saxe        Eddie Saxe <[email protected]>  568. Schott      [email protected] (Carl G. Schott)  569. Schroth     [email protected]  570. Schultz     John Schultz <[email protected]>  571. Schwartz    [email protected] [Adam Schwartz]  572. Schwartz    Schwartz <[email protected]>  573. Scott       [email protected] (Cory L. Scott)  574. Scudder     [email protected] (John G. Scudder)  575. Sean        Sean <[email protected]>  576. Seywerd     [email protected] (Henry Seywerd)  577. Sgro        Carlo Sgro <[email protected]>  578. Shank       [email protected] (Eric M Shank)  579. Shaw        "Steve (Flipper) Shaw" <[email protected]>  580. Sheka       Karthik P Sheka <[email protected]>  581. Shirley     [email protected] [Mike Shirley]  582. Shub        [email protected] (Charles M. Shub) 		/DUPLICATE/ Charles Shub <[email protected]>  583. Siebert     Doug Siebert <[email protected]>  584. Silevitch   [email protected] [Daniel Silevitch]  585. Silva       [email protected] (James da Silva)  586. Silversmit  [email protected] [Jolyon A. Silversmith]  587. sine nomin  [email protected] (sine nomine)  588. Sinteur     John Sinteur <[email protected]>  589. Siren       Tuomas Siren <[email protected]>  590. Skovronsky  Sarah Skovronsky <[email protected]>  591. Smith       [email protected] (Ross Smith)  592. Smith       Dan Smith <[email protected]>  593. smk         [email protected]  594. Smoak       [email protected] (Andy Smoak)  595. Smooge      [email protected] (the Smooge)  596. Snippe      Dick Snippe <[email protected]>  597. Sorenson    [email protected] [Dan Sorenson]  598. Souvatzis   [email protected] (Ignatios Souvatzis)  599. Spear       Geoffrey Spear <[email protected]>  600. Spencer     [email protected] (Thomas Spencer IV)  601. Spiker      "Robert W. Spiker" <[email protected]>  602. Spitzer     [email protected] (Daryl Spitzer)  603. spm2d       [email protected]  604. ssugwebb    [email protected]  605. ssuhook     [email protected]  606. Staniszews  Tom Staniszewski <[email protected]>  607. Stanley     John Stanley <[email protected]>  608. Staringer   Rainer Staringer <[email protected]>  609. Stattenfie  Keith Stattenfield <[email protected]>  610. Steckel     [email protected] (Geoff Steckel - Sun BOS 		Hardware CONTRACTOR)  611. Steinberge  Craig Steinberger <[email protected]>  612. Steinkelln  [email protected] (Rudolf Steinkellner jr.)  613. steve       [email protected]  614. Stone       [email protected] (Tig Stone)  615. Storlind    Robert Storlind <[email protected]>  616. Stowell     [email protected] (Lon Stowell)  617. strange     [email protected]  618. Stuart      Frank Stuart <[email protected]>  619. Stumptner   [email protected] (Markus Stumptner)  620. styri       [email protected]  621. Summit      [email protected] (Steve Summit)  622. Sutinen     [email protected] (Erkka Sutinen)  623. Svensson    [email protected] (Erik Svensson FOA2)  624. Swaim       Michael Parks Swaim <[email protected]>  625. Sweeney     [email protected] (Tony Sweeney) 		/DUPLICATE/ [email protected] (Tony Sweeney)  626. SXRMH1      [email protected]  627. szielins    "szielins.US1" <[email protected]>  628. Taksar      [email protected] (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)  629. Talmage     "David W. Talmage" <[email protected]>  630. tam         [email protected]  631. Taylor      [email protected] (Paul R. Taylor)  632. ted         [email protected]  633. Teisberg    [email protected] (Robert Teisberg)  634. Tekant      Argun Tekant <[email protected]>  635. Tennant     [email protected] (Otto Tennant)  636. Thau        [email protected] (Robert S. Thau)  637. Theriault   [email protected] (Seth Lucien Theriault )  638. Thew        Alan Thew <[email protected]>  639. Thornton    Adam Justin Thornton <[email protected]>  640. tlukka      <[email protected]>  641. To Run      [email protected] (To Run In Fear)  642. Todd        [email protected] (Richard Todd)  643. Tomblin     [email protected] (Paul Tomblin)  644. Toomey      [email protected] (Warren Toomey)  645. Torre       Phil Torre <[email protected]>  646. Tregillis   "Ian Lee Tregillis [Astro]" <[email protected]>  647. Trindle     <[email protected]> [D.J.Trindle]  648. Troup       "Henry (H.W.) Troup" <[email protected]>  649. TroxeLL     [email protected] (Brian TroxeLL)  650. Trulsson    [email protected] (Erik Trulsson)  651. Tuama       [email protected] (Patricia O Tuama)  652. tumavitc    [email protected]  653. Turnley     John Turnley <[email protected]>  654. tusk        [email protected]  655. Tvete       [email protected]  656. Uhrig       [email protected] (Werner Uhrig)  657. Ulrich      [email protected] (Chris Ulrich)  658. Upholder    [email protected] (THE Upholder of Truth)  659. Urton       [email protected] (William L. Urton)  660. Uy          [email protected] (Francis A. Uy)  661. Vader       [email protected] (Paul Vader)  662. Vaivads     [email protected] (Vic Vaivads)  663. Valencia    [email protected] (Jane Valencia)  664. van den Ho  [email protected] (Koos van den Hout)  665. van der Li  [email protected] (Peter van der Linden)  666. Van Rooy    Russ Van Rooy <[email protected]>  667. Van Vleck   [email protected] (Tom Van Vleck)  668. van Winkel  Jan Christiaan van Winkel <[email protected]>  669. VanDevende  [email protected] (Steve VanDevender)  670. Venkataram  [email protected] (Sridhar Venkataraman)  671. Verhoeven   John Verhoeven <[email protected]>  672. vh1_ipa     [email protected]  673. Victor      Richard Victor <[email protected]>  674. Vogt        uunet!digi.lonestar.org!lvogt (Lee Vogt)  675. von Hagen   [email protected]  676. VPAF5       [email protected]  677. Wagner      [email protected] (Dave Wagner)  678. Walker      [email protected] (Bruce M. Walker)  679. Wallman     [email protected] (Sven Wallman)  680. Wansbrough  [email protected] (Keith Wansbrough)  681. Warden      [email protected] (Sam Warden)  682. Warnes      [email protected] (Paula Gaynell Warnes)  683. Wasilko     [email protected] (Jeff Wasilko)  684. Waters      [email protected] (Ralph Waters)  685. wbe         [email protected]  686. Weber       [email protected] (Olaf Weber)  687. Weinstock   Neil Weinstock <[email protected]>  688. Weisberg    Jeff Weisberg <[email protected]>  689. Welch       Arun Welch <[email protected]>  690. Wells       "Douglas C. Wells" <[email protected]>  691. Wells       Paul Wells <[email protected]>  692. Welsh       Matt Welsh <[email protected]>  693. Wesolowsky  [email protected] (Al Wesolowsky)  694. West        [email protected] (Clare West)  695. West        John West <[email protected]>  696. Whaley      Bucky Whaley <[email protected]>  697. Whetzel     [email protected] (Mark Whetzel)  698. Whitaker    Mike Whitaker <[email protected]>  699. Wiberg      Sverker Wiberg <[email protected]>  700. Widmaier    [email protected] (Hans-Joachim Widmaier)  701. Wiener      [email protected] (Matthew P Wiener)  702. Wigley      Ryan C Wigley <[email protected]>  703. Wilbur      Charlton Wilbur <[email protected]>  704. Wildstar    [email protected] (Derek Wildstar)  705. Williams    [email protected] (Dave Williams)  706. Williams    [email protected] (Eric Williams)  707. Wilson      David E A Wilson <[email protected]>  708. Wilson      [email protected] (Rolf Wilson)  709. Wilson      Sam Wilson <[email protected]>  710. Winikoff    [email protected] [Michael Winikoff]  711. Witchling   [email protected] (Dartanyan the Witchling)  712. Wood        "Terry J. Wood" <[email protected]>  713. Woodbury    [email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury)  714. Worley      [email protected] (Jim Worley)  715. Worona      Steve Worona <[email protected]>  716. Wright      [email protected]  717. Xexeo       Geraldo Xexeo <[email protected]>  718. Yeates      Lord Yak Da Hairy <[email protected]> [John Yeates]  719. yenamandra  Murthy yenamandra <[email protected]>  720. Young       Jonathan Young <[email protected]>  721. Young       [email protected] (Robert Young)  722. Zaba        Stefek Zaba <[email protected]>  723. Zatar       Zatar <[email protected]>  724. Zavras      Alexios Zavras <[email protected]>  725. Zeitlin     dick.zeitlin%[email protected] (Dick Zeitlin)  726. Zeitlin     [email protected] (Jeff Zeitlin)  727. ZEUS        ZEUS%[email protected]  728. zonker      [email protected]  729. Zych        Thomas Zych <[email protected]>   And the day-by-day counts of messages in the ballot boxes.  These add to higher numbers than the above totals, because of duplicated votes and the odd administrative message that I filed in the ballot boxes for safekeeping.    Nov 23:  Yes  8  No  13   Nov 24:  Yes 34  No 113   Nov 25:  Yes 19  No  92   Nov 26:  Yes  5  No  35   Nov 27:  Yes  2  No  31   Nov 28:  Yes  3  No  10   Nov 29:  Yes  1  No  13   Nov 30:  Yes  2  No  18   Dec  1:  Yes 20  No  46   Dec  2:  Yes 37  No 128   Dec  3:  Yes 20  No  54   Dec  4:  Yes  8  No  35   Dec  5:  Yes  3  No  26   Dec  6:  Yes  5  No  20   Dec  7:  Yes  2  No  21   Dec  8:  Yes  1  No  27   Dec  9:  Yes  3  No  23   Dec 10:  Yes  5  No  45   Dec 11:  Yes  2  No  26   Dec 12:  Yes  0  No  11   Dec 13:  Yes  1  No  15   Dec 14:  Yes  0  No  16  Still with me?  Then thank you for reading, and may you have a Merry Christmas. --  Mark Brader		   "Doing the wrong thing is worse than doing nothing." SoftQuad Inc., Toronto     "Doing *anything* is worse than doing nothing!" utzoo!sq!msb, [email protected]		     -- Lynn & Jay: YES, PRIME MINISTER  This article is in the public domain.  From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 12:24:11 1993 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:915 alt.folklore.computers:10485 news.groups:22388 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,alt.folklore.computers,news.groups Path: rpi!tale From: Ran Atkinson <[email protected]> Subject: CFV:  comp.society.folklore moderated Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: University of Virginia Date: 4 Mar 91 01:37:39 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 54  FORMAL PROPOSAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME: comp.society.folklore (moderated)  MODERATOR: Eric S. Raymond <[email protected]>  CHARTER:    maintain an online history of Computer Folklore and Culture; discussion related to the maintenance of the "Jargon File"; other material related to Computer Folklore and Culture, past and present.  VOTING PROCEDURE:    The voting period will last 21 days beginning with the posting of this notice to news.announce.newgroups.  Votes must be clear and unambiguous and preferably will be of the form "I vote YES for the group as proposed" or "I vote NO for the group as proposed".  I will endeavor to post a single mass ACK at the 14 day point (approximately).  I will not send email ACKs.  Replies to this posting will go to the voting address.  Followups have been directed to news.groups per the guidelines.  Votes should be mailed to:  [email protected]  RATIONALE ----------------------------------------------------------------------  There is demand and traffic for a newsgroup about Computer Folklore and Computer Culture (evidence alt.folklore.computers).  Also, the traffic about the Jargon File tends to spill into all sorts of groups all over the net.  The existing ALTnet group has high volume and an ever decreasing signal/noise ratio.  A fair number of the postings to the ALTnet group are wildly inaccurate in answers to questions about the history of computing culture.  A moderated group can filter out  such postings as needed.  By creating a regular USENET group that is moderated, a forum will be  available that will have a good signal/noise ratio and also tend to siphon off Jargon File items from the more technical newsgroups (many of whose readers consider them noise).  The proposed moderator has experience in moderating USENET groups and is one of the people currently maintaining the Jargon File and hence is qualified to act as moderator.  He has agreed to moderate this group if the proposal passes.  The proposed name was chosen because the comp.society.* area is intended for non-technical computing related groups such as this and the proposed name should be clear to any first time USENET user.  The existing ALTnet group alt.folklore.computers will not be affected by any part of this vote and will continue to provide an unmoderated forum.  From [email protected] Wed Apr  5 19:20:49 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:952 news.groups:23096 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups Path: rpi!tale From: rja <[email protected]> Subject: VOTE ACK:  comp.society.folklore Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.213.1.1 Organization: GE-Fanuc North America Date: 16 Mar 91 03:59:23 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 178  Here is the list of people whose mail seems to contain a vote one way or the other.  It was obtained by running grep and sort across the mailbox.  No attempt has been made to eliminate duplicate or conflicting votes.  Votes should be sent only to:  [email protected] A reply to this posting will go to the correct mailbox.  Please be sure that your votes are clear and unambiguous.  I've had some problems with folks who include lots of text that appears to me to be commentary/rationale/discussion rather than a vote.   Mail Received: --------------  Adrian Wontroba <[email protected]>  Alexios Zavras <[email protected]>  Andrei Cogan <[email protected]>  Anthony J Stieber [email protected]>  Antti Leino <[email protected]>  Art Nicolaysen <[email protected]>  BERKERY JOHN F <[email protected]>  Bengt Larsson <[email protected]>  [email protected]  Bob Krezel <[email protected]>  Brent L. Woods <[email protected]>  Brian Hayes - Sigma Xi <[email protected]>  Brian Matthews <[email protected]>  Bruce Barnett <[email protected]>  Bruce Oneel  <[email protected]>  Bruce Richardson <[email protected]>  Bryan Cardoza <[email protected]>  Byron Burke <[email protected]>  C.R. Harding <[email protected]>  Carl Rigney <[email protected]>  Carl S. Gutekunst <[email protected]>  Chip Salzenberg <[email protected]>  Chris Davies <[email protected]>  Christopher Browne (055908) <[email protected]>  Christopher Bryden <[email protected]>  Cliff Tuel <[email protected]>  Corey L. McKinnon <[email protected]>  Curt Sampson <[email protected]>  Cyberpixie <[email protected]>  [email protected]  Daniel Jacobson <[email protected]>  Darin McGrew <[email protected]>  David B. Thomas <[email protected]>  David Bedno <[email protected]>  David H. Thornley <[email protected]>  David Richardson <[email protected]>  David Robinson <[email protected]>  Dick Dunn <[email protected]>  Ed McGuire <[email protected]>  Eric S. Raymond <[email protected]>  Gary Weiner <[email protected]>  George V. Reilly <[email protected]>  Glenn R. Stone <[email protected]>  Greg Banks <[email protected]>  Greg Limes <[email protected]>  Gregory G. Woodbury <[email protected]>  Howard Hsieh <[email protected]>  [email protected]  J.D. Baldwin <[email protected]>  Jaroslav Liptak <[email protected]>  Jay Maynard <[email protected]>  Jay W. Noh <[email protected]>  Jef Poskanzer <[email protected]>  Jeff Ashton Hexter <[email protected]>  Jeremy Epstein  [email protected]>  Jim Roche <[email protected]>  Jiro Nakamura <[email protected]>  Jo Are Rosland <[email protected]>  Joe Keane <[email protected]>  Joe Smith <[email protected]>  John Bennett <[email protected]>  John F Haugh II <[email protected]>  John Honniball <[email protected]>  John Lacey <[email protected]>  John Simutis  <[email protected]>  John Wichers <[email protected]>  Jon Grantham <[email protected]>  Joseph M. Newcomer <[email protected]>  Juergen Nickelsen <[email protected]>  Kate M. Gregory <[email protected]>  Kim DeVaughn <[email protected]>  Kok Chen <[email protected]>  Lars H}kedal <[email protected]>  Laszlo C. Balint <[email protected]>  Lehtim{ki Erkki <[email protected]>  Lon Stowell <[email protected]>  Louis Howell <[email protected]>  Magnus Olsson <[email protected]>  Marcel-Franck Simon <[email protected]>  Mark Brader <[email protected]>  Mark Osbourne <[email protected]>  Mark Shoulson <[email protected]>  Mark Sicignano <[email protected]>  Martin Gilje Jaatun <[email protected]>  Matthew Farwell <[email protected]>  Matthias Theil <[email protected]>  Matthias Urlichs <[email protected]>  Michael W. Wellman <[email protected]>  Morgan Schweers <[email protected]>  Neil Murray <[email protected]>  Nicholas Russon <[email protected]>  Ofer Inbar <[email protected]>  Otto Tennant <[email protected]>  POLSKY FREDERICK J <[email protected]>  Palmer Davis <[email protected]>  Paul Davey <[email protected]>  Paul Pierce <[email protected]>  Peter da Silva <[email protected]>  Phil Kernick <[email protected]>  Phil Stubblefield <[email protected]>  R Wilkins <[email protected]>  R. Hoon <[email protected]>  [email protected]  Ralf Treinen <[email protected]>  Randall Gaz <[email protected]>  Randell Jesup <[email protected]>  Ray Skirsky <[email protected]>  [email protected]  Richard H. Miller <[email protected]>  Rick Smith <[email protected]>  Robert A. Levene <[email protected]>  Roger Roberto Espinosa <[email protected]>  SILL D E <[email protected]>  Sam Bassett RCS <[email protected]>  Scott A. Laird <[email protected]>  Scott Barman <[email protected]>  Scott Lord of Sith Kajihara <[email protected]>  Sean Philip Engelson <[email protected]>  Seth Breidbart <[email protected]>  Shannon D. Appel <[email protected]>  Simon Harriss <[email protected]>  Stan Barber <[email protected]>  Steve Hayman <[email protected]>  Stuart L Labovitz   Taed Nelson <[email protected]>  Teoretisk Fysik 2 Lunds Univ <[email protected]>  Thomas P. Bleck <[email protected]>  Tim Day <[email protected]>  Tim Pointing <[email protected]>  Tim Ramsey <[email protected]>  Timo Rossi <[email protected]>  Timothy J. Rolfe <[email protected]>  Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]>  Tom Fitzgerald <[email protected]>  Tony Lezard <[email protected]>  Wayne Schlitt <[email protected]>  William R. Ward <[email protected]>  William Rucklidge <[email protected]>  Zoltan Somogyi <[email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  aversa%[email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  cts%[email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  john  cavallino <[email protected]>  [email protected]  lwv27%[email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  phil sutherland <[email protected]>  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  [email protected]  From [email protected] Wed Apr  5 19:28:48 1995 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:990 news.groups:23618 alt.folklore.computers:10934 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.folklore.computers Path: rpi!bounce-back From: RJ Atkinson <[email protected]> Subject: RESULT:  comp.society.folklore passes 170:28 Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: GE-Fanuc North America Date: 27 Mar 91 04:24:46 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 219  It appears that the moderated newsgroup comp.society.folklore has passed.  There were no late votes received.  I have made a quick attempt to remove duplicates, but it is still possible that there are some.  If so, I'm sure someone will point this out in news.groups shortly.  I count 170 YES votes and 28 NO votes.  By my math,  (170 - 28)  > 100              (170 / 198) > (2/3)   which are the criteria as I understand them. (Again, if I am confused, I'm sure that it will be pointed out shortly.)  The full voter list follows (sorted by sort(1)) :  NO Voters: ____  <[email protected]land.stanford.edu>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  Arthur David Olson <[email protected]>  Ben Mesander <[email protected]>  Bengt Larsson <[email protected]>  Brian Matthews <[email protected]>  Carl Rigney <[email protected]>  Carl S. Gutekunst <[email protected]>  Chris Davies <[email protected]>  Christopher Bryden <[email protected]>  Dan Schlitt <[email protected]>  David Robinson <[email protected]>  Dick Dunn <[email protected]>  J.D. Baldwin <[email protected]>  Jay W. Noh <[email protected]>  Jef Poskanzer <[email protected]>  Jim Roche <[email protected]>  John F Haugh II <[email protected]>  John Lacey <[email protected]>  Mark Brader <[email protected]>  Mark Sicignano <[email protected]>  Neil Rickert <[email protected]>  Phil Kernick <[email protected]>  Scott Barman <[email protected]>  Stan Barber <[email protected]>  Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]>  Tom Fitzgerald <[email protected]>  YES Voters: ___  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>   <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  Adrian Wontroba <[email protected]>  Alexios Zavras <[email protected]>  Andrei Cogan <[email protected]>  Andrew H. Marrinson <[email protected]>  Anthony J Stieber <[email protected]>  Antti Leino <[email protected]>  Art Nicolaysen <[email protected]>  BERKERY JOHN F <[email protected]>  Bill Fischer <[email protected]>  [email protected]  Bob Krezel <[email protected]>  Brent L. Woods <[email protected]>  Brian Hayes  <[email protected]>  Bruce Barnett <[email protected]>  Bruce Oneel  <[email protected]>  Bruce Richardson <[email protected]>  Bryan Cardoza <[email protected]>  Byron Burke <[email protected]>  C.R. Harding <[email protected]>  Chip Salzenberg <[email protected]>  Christopher Browne  <[email protected]>  Christopher M. Conway <[email protected]>  Cliff Tuel <[email protected]>  Corey L. McKinnon <[email protected]>  Craig Cockburn <[email protected]>  Curt Sampson <[email protected]>  Cyberpixie <[email protected]>  <[email protected]>  Daniel Jacobson <[email protected]>  Darin McGrew <[email protected]>  David B. Thomas <[email protected]>  David Bedno <[email protected]>  David Chalmers <[email protected]>  David Claytor <[email protected]>  David Gay <[email protected]>  David H. Thornley <[email protected]>  David Richardson <[email protected]>  Ed McGuire <[email protected]>  Eric S. Raymond <[email protected]>  Evan L. Marcus  <[email protected]>  Gary Raymond Schmidt <[email protected]>  Gary Weiner <[email protected]>  George V. Reilly <[email protected]>  Glenn R. Stone <[email protected]>  Greg Banks <[email protected]>  Greg Limes <[email protected]>  Gregory G. Woodbury <[email protected]>  Hank Roberts <[email protected]>  Howard Hsieh <[email protected]>  Ittai Hershman <[email protected]>  Jaroslav Liptak <[email protected]>  Jay Maynard <[email protected]>  Jeff Ashton Hexter <[email protected]>  Jeff Dwork <[email protected]>  Jeremy Epstein  [email protected]>  Jiro Nakamura <[email protected]>  Jo Are Rosland <[email protected]>  Joaquim Baptista  <[email protected]>  Joe Keane <[email protected]>  Joe Smith <[email protected]>  Joel B Levin <[email protected]>  John  Cavallino <[email protected]>  John Bennett  <[email protected]>  John Honniball <[email protected]>  John Nemeth <[email protected]>  John Simutis  <[email protected]>  John Wichers <[email protected]>  Jon Grantham <[email protected]>  Joseph M. Newcomer <[email protected]>  Juergen Nickelsen <[email protected]>  Kate M. Gregory <[email protected]>  Kim DeVaughn <[email protected]>  Kok Chen <[email protected]>  Lars H}kedal <[email protected]>  Laszlo C. Balint <[email protected]>  Laura Gillespie <[email protected]>  Lehtim{ki Erkki <[email protected]>  Lon Stowell <[email protected]>  Louis Howell <[email protected]>  Magnus Olsson <[email protected]>  Marcel-Franck Simon <[email protected]>  Mark Harrison <[email protected]>  Mark Levison <[email protected]>  Mark Osbourne <[email protected]>  Mark Reinhold <[email protected]>  Mark Shoulson <[email protected]>  Mark Towfiq <[email protected]>  Martin Gilje Jaatun <[email protected]>  Matthew Farwell <[email protected]>  Matthias Theil <[email protected]>  Matthias Urlichs <[email protected]>  Michael W. Wellman <[email protected]>  Morgan Schweers <[email protected]>  Neil Murray <[email protected]>  Nicholas Russon <[email protected]>  Nick Leverton <[email protected]>  Odd Einar Aurbakken <[email protected]>  Ofer Inbar <[email protected]>  Otto Tennant <[email protected]>  POLSKY FREDERICK J <[email protected]>  Palmer Davis <[email protected]>  Paul Davey <[email protected]>  Paul Dourish <[email protected]>  Paul Pierce <[email protected]>  Pekka P Pirinen <[email protected]>  Peter da Silva <[email protected]>  Phil Stubblefield <[email protected]>  R Wilkins <[email protected]>  R. Hoon <[email protected]>  Ralf Treinen <[email protected]>  Randall Gaz <[email protected]>  Randell Jesup <[email protected]>  Ray Moody <[email protected]>  Ray Skirsky <[email protected]>  Richard H. Miller" <[email protected]>  Rick Smith <[email protected]>  Robert A. Levene <[email protected]>  Roger Roberto Espinosa <[email protected]>  SILL D E <[email protected]>  Sam Bassett <[email protected]>  Scott A. Laird <[email protected]>  Scott Lord of Sith Kajihara <[email protected]>  Sean Philip Engelson <[email protected]>  Seth Breidbart <[email protected]>  Shannon D. Appel <[email protected]>  Simon Harriss <[email protected]>  Steve Coltrin <[email protected]>  Steve Golson <[email protected]>  Steve Hayman <[email protected]>  Steve Lamont <[email protected]>  Steve McConnel <[email protected]>  Steven S. Brack <[email protected]>  Stuart L Labovitz   Taed Nelson <[email protected]>  Thomas P. Bleck <[email protected]>  Tim Day <[email protected]>  Tim Pointing <[email protected]>  Tim Ramsey <[email protected]>  Timo Rossi <[email protected]>  Timothy J. Rolfe <[email protected]>  Tom Lane <[email protected]>  Tony Lezard <[email protected]>  Wayne Schlitt <[email protected]>  William R. Ward <[email protected]>  William Rucklidge <[email protected]>  Zoltan Somogyi <[email protected]>  paula <[email protected]>  phil sutherland <[email protected]>  
 
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