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From [email protected] Wed Jan 12 20:19:08 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Erland Sommarskog) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.software-eng Subject: RFD: comp.software.conf-mgmt Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Jan 1994 22:45:45 -0500 Organization: Tylko ragtime Lines: 25 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4451 news.groups:91606 comp.software-eng:19359  This a request for discussion for creating a newsgroup devoted to configuration management (CM). This topic is on and off discussed in comp.software-eng, but so are many other topics. Reading c.s-e because of interest in CM issues, I kill 90% of the articles in this  group.  CM is a very important art in the software engineering field, and definitely worth a group on its own. When you talk about CM you discuss both the procedures and the buearucracy as well as the tools you use to enforce your procedures.  The group would be unmoderated.  Looking at the current name space, comp.software.conf-mgmt seems like the best name. For us in the know c.s.cm would suffice, but tragically not every knows what CM is.  It is my hope that someone from of the group of voluntary vote takers is willing to handle this vote.  If there are groups that should be included in a 2nd RFD (if there is one) or the CFV, I'd would appreciate to know. --  Erland Sommarskog, [email protected], Stockholm Not spokesman for ENEA Data AB  From [email protected] Mon Feb 14 19:54:52 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Erland Sommarskog) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.software-eng Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.software.config-mgmt Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Feb 1994 00:32:11 -0500 Organization: Csillag Stars Lines: 35 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4603 news.groups:95209 comp.software-eng:20296  This a request for discussion for creating a newsgroup devoted to configuration management (CM). This topic is on and off discussed in comp.software-eng, but so are many other topics. Reading c.s-e because of interest in CM issues, I kill 90% of the articles in this group.  CM is a very important art in the software engineering field, and definitely worth a group on its own. When you talk about CM you discuss both the procedures and the buearucracy as well as the tools you use to enforce your procedures.  The group would be unmoderated.  It is my hope that someone from of the group of voluntary vote takers is willing to handle this vote.  What is problematic with this group is the name. It's not problematic for the CM topic as such, but rather from the perspective of a long- term strategy for software-engineering newsgroups. In the previous discussion I comitted myself to comp.software-eng.config-mgmt, but I was discouraged by group-advice to pursue that line. The situation is that we have c.s-e and two comp.software.* groups. Whether there should be a comp.software.* hierarchy or a comp.software-eng.* hierarchy I don't have any strong opinion on, but I don't think there is a need for both. Comp.software.* might be the less pre- ferable choice, but it exists, so let's not confuse the issue even more.  A normal procedure when there are different opinions on the name is to take a straw poll. However, I find it completely inappropriate in this case, since what is the issue has nothing to do with CM as such. --  Erland Sommarskog, [email protected], Stockholm Not spokesman for ENEA Data AB  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Feb 24 17:55:14 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.software-eng Subject: CFV: comp.software.config-mgmt Followup-To: poster Date: 24 Feb 1994 16:02:06 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 48 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 18 Mar 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4680 news.groups:96501 comp.software-eng:20553  		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) 	     unmoderated group comp.software.config-mgmt  Newsgroups line: comp.software.config-mgmt	Configuration management, tools and procedures.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 17 March 1994.   This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Erland Sommarskog <[email protected]>.   CHARTER  Comp.software.config-mgmt is intended to be a forum for discussions issues related to configuration management (CM), both the bureaucratic procedures and the tools used to implement CM stratgies. CM is an corner-stone in software development, and have a very broad spectrum in its appearance. For small shops with non-critical, maybe all you need is RCS or SCCS and some makefiles. For saftety-critical systems, there might be a huge paperwork, and you may not change any code with- out having an SPR assigned to it.  CM is on and off discussed in comp.software-eng, but so are many other topics. Reading c.s-e because of interest in CM issues, I kill 90% of the articles in this group. Given its importance in modern software development, CM is definitely a subject which deserves a group on its own.   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on comp.software.config-mgmt       I vote NO on comp.software.config-mgmt  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person and per account will be counted.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Mar  9 23:35:30 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.software-eng Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.software.config-mgmt Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Mar 1994 18:04:25 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 57 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 18 Mar 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4736 news.groups:97638 comp.software-eng:21023                       LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) 	     unmoderated group comp.software.config-mgmt  Newsgroups line: comp.software.config-mgmt	Configuration management, tools and procedures.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 17 March 1994.   This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Erland Sommarskog <[email protected]>.   CHARTER  Comp.software.config-mgmt is intended to be a forum for discussions issues related to configuration management (CM), both the bureaucratic procedures and the tools used to implement CM stratgies. CM is an corner-stone in software development, and have a very broad spectrum in its appearance. For small shops with non-critical, maybe all you need is RCS or SCCS and some makefiles. For saftety-critical systems, there might be a huge paperwork, and you may not change any code with- out having an SPR assigned to it.  CM is on and off discussed in comp.software-eng, but so are many other topics. Reading c.s-e because of interest in CM issues, I kill 90% of the articles in this group. Given its importance in modern software development, CM is definitely a subject which deserves a group on its own.   HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:       I vote YES on comp.software.config-mgmt       I vote NO on comp.software.config-mgmt  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person and per account will be counted.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  unmoderated group comp.software.config-mgmt Bounce Ack List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]  From [email protected] (RonDippold) Thu Mar 24 18:07:27 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.software-eng Subject: RESULT: comp.software.config-mgmt passes 298:36 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Mar 1994 20:31:52 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 381 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4816 news.groups:98772 comp.software-eng:21469                                 RESULT           unmoderated group comp.software.config-mgmt passes 298:36  There were 298 YES votes and 36 NO votes, for a total of 335 valid votes.  There was 2 invalid ballots.  For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.   There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.   Newsgroups line: comp.software.config-mgmt	Configuration management, tools and procedures.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the proposed group contact Erland Sommarskog <[email protected]>.   CHARTER  Comp.software.config-mgmt is intended to be a forum for discussions issues related to configuration management (CM), both the bureaucratic procedures and the tools used to implement CM stratgies. CM is an corner-stone in software development, and have a very broad spectrum in its appearance. For small shops with non-critical, maybe all you need is RCS or SCCS and some makefiles. For saftety-critical systems, there might be a huge paperwork, and you may not change any code with- out having an SPR assigned to it.  unmoderated group comp.software.config-mgmt Final Vote Ack  Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "/PN=Phil.P.Thornley/OU=Software Technology/OU=Warton"           Phil Thornley [email protected]                                        Glenn Davidson [email protected]                                            John Laws [email protected]                                                   Paul Adams [email protected]                                                         Ann Egger [email protected]                                         Alan Gauld [email protected]                                                      Kem Ahlers [email protected]                                        Ajith K. 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Ray [email protected]                                          RS Wail [email protected]                                                Rick Taylor [email protected]                      Rubby Casallas-Gutierrez russg[email protected]                                               Russell Gold [email protected]                                                    Susan Johnson [email protected]                                            Samuel Murphy [email protected]                                      /usr/spool/mail/sammy [email protected]                                                   Rob Sartin [email protected]                                              Sascha Zumbusch [email protected]                                 Jerry Sauve 225-5418 [email protected]                           Joachim Schrod [email protected]                                         Edmund Schweppe [email protected]                     Juergen Schwille [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                            Michael Haux [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                               Chris Taylor [email protected]                                             K. Shane Hartman [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                                   Marco Silvestri [email protected]    Tom Smith, AKO1-3/H4, dtn 244-7079  26-Feb-1994 1 [email protected]                                                      Todd Smith [email protected]                                               Erland Sommarskog [email protected]                                                    Stan Rifkin [email protected]                               Rosenberg Scott [email protected]                                                                  [email protected]                                                  Seth Mleziva [email protected]                                             Stan Gonsalves [email protected]                                                     Stella Tsoi [email protected]                                          Steven Jorgensen [email protected]                                                 Steve Holtsberg [email protected]                                               Steven Haden [email protected]                                         Matthias Suilmann [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                                       Susan Dart [email protected]                                                    Steve E. Witham [email protected]                                            Scott White [email protected]                                                 Richard Fisker [email protected]                                Tom Johnson [email protected]                                     Ken Thompson [email protected]                                               Tom Hudgins [email protected]                                                       Tim Bunce [email protected]                              Michael Doherty [email protected]                                                      Tom Halliley [email protected]                                    Tim Ottinger [email protected]                                 Thomas Preuss [email protected]                                          Trent Fisher [email protected]                                              Javier Tuya [email protected]                                            Ulf Stenhaug [email protected]                                            Jason Verch [email protected]                                                 Vesa K. Wayrynen [email protected]                                                                   [email protected]                                  Hartmut Willebrand / SESG [email protected]                                               John Welch [email protected]                     Dave Shariff Yadallee [email protected]                                                 Yaniv Hakohen [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                                         Mark Young [email protected]                                       Aarne Yl{-Rotiala [email protected]                                             Zahid Chowdhury [email protected]                                       Kathy Ruffing  Voted No (* = invalid address detected when compiling results) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                          Ada Kerman [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                                             Andrew Tellez [email protected]                                        Orpheous [email protected]  *                                     Bulletin Board System [email protected]                                        Chip Rosenthal [email protected]                                                Colin Jensen [email protected]                                                               [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                        Bertil Jonell [email protected]                                                Trif [email protected]                                                 Paul Eggert [email protected]                                  Sean P. Ryan HD0022%[email protected]                           Chip Dunham [email protected]                                       James Bridson [email protected]                                                Joel Furr [email protected]                                                    Jordan Share [email protected]                                                       [email protected]                                         Murali Chaparala [email protected]                                              Nim Sudo [email protected]                                                       Miles [email protected]                                                     Paul Kennedy [email protected]                                             Hal Render [email protected]                                      Sendhil Revuluri [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                                    robs [email protected]                                       Marc Moorcroft [email protected]                                               Steve Rogers [email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown [email protected]                                                 Stiela [email protected]                                               David Reeve Sward [email protected]                                              BEN OSTROWSKY [email protected]                                                  Colin Valentine [email protected]                                        Ward F. Bush [email protected]                                       Samuel Weiler [email protected]                                             wade hostler [email protected]                                           The Iron Fist   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                  Peraphon Sophatsathit    ! Conflicting votes