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From [email protected] Mon Jun 29 16:53:58 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2471 news.groups:53472 comp.sys.apple2:39387 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Greg Berigan) Subject: RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1992 19:57:59 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 70  This is a Request For Discussion on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2, moderated by [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar), and backup moderator [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan).  Goals of Moderation (charter):  In anticipation of the school year, there is likely going to be a large number of inappropriate posts to the newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2 by new users of USENET.  Only by moderation of the newsgroup can these posts be redirected to comp.sys.apple2 without it ever appearing in c.b.a2.  The moderator can then advise the poster directly on the appropriate newsgroup to post discussion.  Since .apple2 describes both 8-bit and 16-bit platforms, a description of each file is needed for readers to decide whether or not they want the program, or even if it will run on their machine.  A moderator can insure that every binary contains a description outside of the archive, so that the reader need not download and decode a file just to find out it won't run on their machine.  Also important are descriptive subjects.  Much time can be saved on the reader's part if subjects contained a unique keyword of what a program requires to run, the name of the software, and a short but concise summary description.  Also, (n of m) headers, used to denote order of parts, not only defeat the ability of newsreaders like nn to group like subjects together as a thread, but have no real function when used with BinSCII-encoded binaries.  (BinSCIIed files can be re-integrated in any order, as they also encode the position in the resultant file of each part.)  An example subject would be:  Subject: GS: BasicPaint II -- a 4x320x200x256 paint program in AppleSoft  Commercial software has occasionally leaked through comp.binaries.apple2, often due to people thinking that if its beta release was shareware, the full version is also shareware.  A moderator can prevent commercial software from being distributed through c.b.a2.  HOWEVER, utilities for commercial software that can be distributed freely WILL be sent out, with an appropriate keyword in the subject.  An example would be the GNO utilities that have been coming through lately.  Although viruses are not common for the Apple II, there are some out there.  A moderator could run virus-checking software on files uploaded to c.b.a2 to reduce the risk of infective programs.  Viruses have not been a problem of the past, and likely will not be a problem in the future, but some checking would be useful if ever any come through.  With moderation, the moderator could also check uploaded archives for corruption.  While some corruption of archives occur in transit, arriving at some locations corrupted and others in working order, moderation can insure that the source posting was free of errors, and helps to track down what caused the corruption.  Since there is also a BITNET mailing list for Apple II binaries, known as APPLE2-L, a moderator could have postings forwarded to that list. That way the two would be more alike, and the APPLE2-L readers won't miss out on stuff posted to c.b.a2.  Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen, but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will be 100% effective.  The moderator and assistants reserve the right to cancel any posting in comp.binaries.apple2 that is deemed inappropriate. --    ///   ____   \\\       |"Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for   | |/ /    \ \| |       | breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even     \\_|\____/|_//        | know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.        \_)\\/            | Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors. gberigan `-' cse.unl.edu | Life... don't talk to me about life...."  From [email protected] Tue Jul 14 00:49:16 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2515 news.groups:54112 comp.sys.apple2:40181 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan) Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups,comp.sys.apple2 Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 02:02:29 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 62  This is the 2nd Request For Discussion on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2.  Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)   Backups: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)            . . .             MORE VOLUNTEERS FOR BACKUP MODERATORS ARE NEEDED!  Goals of Moderation (charter):     o    Prevent corrupted binaries from being posted.  Corrupted         articles would only occur in transit.  The moderator would have         an uncorrupted copy, so users on sites where articles were         corrupted in transit could request a good copy directly from the         moderator within 7 days of posting.    o    Prevent commercial software from being posted.    o    Software scanned for known viruses, to keep an unknowing user         from accidentally spreading it, and to inform him so he can         take action.  This will not protect against new viruses posted         maliciously, but some protection is better than none.    o    Ensure that binaries posted will have a reasonable description         as far as machine type, OS needed, other software needed,         peripherals, etc.  This would include both descriptive subjects         and descriptions in the message body.    o    Make subjects friendlier to subject-grouping newsreaders by         moving "(part n of m)" information into the message body; The         subject would contain "(m parts)" instead.  This does not hamper         the decoding of archives, as BinSCII files can be decoded in any         order.  This helps the function of newsreaders like "nn" and         hampers no others.    o    Ensure that all parts of a binary are posted together, to         prevent early parts from expiring before later parts arrive.    o    Maintenance of a canonical archive of comp.binaries.apple2 posts         in standard usenet format, probably on wuarchive.wustl.edu and         UUNET.    o    Provide sure hooks into APPLE2-L and ensure that submissions         from that source follow these guidelines (hi Grant!)    o    Prevent naive users from incorrectly posting discussion         material to comp.binaries; kindly forwards their post to         comp.sys.apple2, without causing a pointless flame war.  This         happens far too often to be tolerable.    o    Prevent the repeat posting of software that appeared within 6         months.  This does not apply to updated versions of the         software.  Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen, but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will be 100% effective.  The moderator and assistants reserve the right to cancel any posting in comp.binaries.apple2 that is deemed inappropriate.  The following blank lines are intentionally left blank.  -- [email protected] (Life...) --  ///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for | |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even   \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.      \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.        `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."  From [email protected] Sun Jul 26 21:29:36 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2559 news.groups:54659 comp.sys.apple2:40731 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan) Subject: 3rd RFD: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:50:52 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 70  This is the 3rd Request For Discussion on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2, which will go to a vote on Wednesday, July 29, 1992.  Voting information will be contained in the CFV.     Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar) Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan) (NEW) Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima) (NEW) Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)  Moderators will be added/removed as needed/necessary to ensure the group continues to function rapidly and according to its charter.  Goals of Moderation (charter):     o    Prevent corrupted binaries from being posted.  Corrupted         articles would only occur in transit.  The moderator would have         an uncorrupted copy, so users on sites where articles were         corrupted in transit could request a good copy directly from the         moderator.    o    Insure that archives are split at their FiLeStArTfIlEsTaRt         boundaries, in parts that will not be truncated in transit         through old links (3 BinSCII parts per post).    o    Prevent commercial software from being posted.  When in doubt,         the author would be contacted.    o    Software scanned for known viruses, to keep an unknowing user         from accidentally spreading it, and to inform him so he can         take action, using VirusMD program donated by Morgan Davis.    o    Articles will have unique, sequential article-ID's, to better         facilitate the detection of forgeries, and use the References:         header to help threading newsreaders like trn to group parts         together.    o    Ensure that binaries posted will have a reasonable description         as far as machine type, OS needed, other software needed,         peripherals, etc.  This would include both descriptive subjects         and descriptions in the message body.    o    Make subjects friendlier to subject-grouping newsreaders by         moving "(part n of m)" information into the message body; The         subject would contain "(m parts)" instead.  This does not hamper         the decoding of archives, as BinSCII files can be decoded in any         order.  This helps the function of newsreaders like "nn" and         hampers no others.    o    Ensure that all parts of a binary are posted together, to         prevent early parts from expiring before later parts arrive.    o    Maintenance of a canonical archive of comp.binaries.apple2 posts         in standard usenet format, probably on wuarchive.wustl.edu and         UUNET.    o    Provide sure hooks into APPLE2-L and ensure that submissions         from that source follow these guidelines (hi Grant!)    o    Prevent naive users from incorrectly posting discussion         material to comp.binaries; kindly forwards their post to         comp.sys.apple2, without causing a pointless flame war.  This         happens far too often to be tolerable.    o    Prevent the repeat posting of software that appeared within 6         months.  This does not apply to updated versions of the         software.    o    The posting of archives containing documentation for programs         posted to comp.binaries.apple2 is permitted.    o    If a posting has not been checked by a moderator within 5 DAYS         of receipt, the posting will be AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.     LEGAL DISCLAIMER:     Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in    any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator    and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,    but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will    be 100% effective.  The moderator and assistants reserve the right to    cancel any posting in comp.binaries.apple2 that is deemed inappropriate.  -- [email protected] (Life...)  From [email protected] Thu Jul 30 13:49:00 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2580 news.groups:54813 comp.sys.apple2:40961 comp.binaries.apple2:3904 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2,comp.binaries.apple2 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan) Subject: CFV: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:16:03 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 100  This is a CALL FOR VOTES on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2.     Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar) Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)       Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)       Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)  NEW CHARTER:   Submissions are to be virus-free Freeware, Shareware or otherwise  freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more Apple II,  Apple III, or their compatibles when running in their Apple II  compatible mode, their data files excluding those which are already  covered by existing newsgroups' charters, and their documentation.  A  description of the submission is also required, which must include  hardware and software requirements of the submission.  If a description  is absent, and one is not present inside the archive, the submitter will  be asked to provide one.  If an article is rejected or diverted to  another group, the poster will be informed accordingly.  An archive will  not be  approved and posted  until all of its parts have arrived.  Ideally, submissions should be made in the same format as the approved  postings, but this is not required, only preferred.   Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat  of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a  comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer  versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.   Postings which have forged approval, contain commercial software, or  contain code designed to cause harm to an unsuspecting user or is  otherwise a virus, are explicitly improper, and will be cancelled.  Submissions which are somehow not categorized in the above as proper or  improper will be decided on a case-by-case basis in open discussion in  comp.sys.apple2.  Disagreements on the quality or state of being proper  of a posting should be discussed in comp.sys.apple2.   Inappropriate submissions which are already covered by existing  newsgroups' charters will be forwarded to said group, with a message to  the submitter informing such, such as articles which do not contain a  binary posting, or source code which would be forwarded to  comp.sources.apple2.   The approved posts will have subjects containing keywords identifying  CPU requirements, the name of the archive's contents, a count of the  number of postings which make up the complete archive, and a short  summary of the program, which includes a listing of additional hardware  and software requirements.  Postings in comp.binaries.apple2 will be  encoded as BinSCIIed ShrinkIT files, until such (unforseen at this  writing) time that they are usurped in preference, using the newest  commonly-available bug-free versions.  Postings will not exceed 1000  lines per post -- typically 3 BinSCII parts per post -- in order to  prevent truncation through old net links.  Articles will be given  unique, sequential article-IDs to help detect forgeries, and will use  the References: header for the benefit of threaded newsreaders (like  trn).  In case of extended moderator absence, submissions not checked  for 5 days after receipt will be automatically approved in their  submission form, and clearly marked that they had not been checked.  Postings will be forwarded to the APPLE2-L mailing list as approved, as  well as archived on an anonymously accessible FTP site.  Old postings  will also be available on request from the moderator(s).   LEGAL DISCLAIMER:   Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in  any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator  and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen,  but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will  be 100% effective.   HOW TO VOTE:  All votes should be sent to the address "[email protected]".  Every received vote will be sent an ACK in response which will include the text that contains the actual vote and how the vote was received. Sample vote lines are:  On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote YES. On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote NO. On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I ABSTAIN.  Votes can be in any format, as long as they are clear as to who is voting, how the person is voting, and what proposal is being voted on. (Please, do NOT include the entire Call For Votes in your ballot.) Only one vote per ballot.  In case of multiple ballots from the same address, only the most recently received vote will be counted.  ABSTAIN votes have no effect upon success or fail of the proposal other than removing a previous YES or NO vote from the same voter.  Votes received after August 28th (Central Time) will not be counted.  Periodic reposts of the Call For Votes will be made to news.announce.- newgroups, news.groups, and comp.sys.apple2.  These will contain a Mass Voter Acknowledgement, which will list all the addresses from which votes have been received, categorized only as valid and invalid.  If your net address does not appear in the list, and you did not receive an ack, please resend your vote. --  -- [email protected] (Life...)  From [email protected] Mon Aug 17 11:51:02 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2629 news.groups:55542 comp.sys.apple2:42034 comp.binaries.apple2:4058 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2,comp.binaries.apple2 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:38:32 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 242  This is the 2nd CALL FOR VOTES on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.apple2.     Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar) Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)       Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)       Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)  CHARTER:  Submissions are to be virus-free Freeware, Shareware or otherwise freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more Apple II, Apple III, or their compatibles when running in their Apple II compatible mode, their data files excluding those which are already covered by existing newsgroups' charters, and their documentation.  A description of the submission is also required, which must include hardware and software requirements of the submission.  If a description is absent, and one is not present inside the archive, the submitter will be asked to provide one.  If an article is rejected or diverted to another group, the poster will be informed accordingly.  An archive will not be  approved and posted  until all of its parts have arrived. Ideally, submissions should be made in the same format as the approved postings, but this is not required, only preferred.  Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.  Postings which have forged approval, contain commercial software, or contain code designed to cause harm to an unsuspecting user or is otherwise a virus, are explicitly improper, and will be cancelled. Submissions which are somehow not categorized in the above as proper or improper will be decided on a case-by-case basis in open discussion in comp.sys.apple2.  Disagreements on the quality or state of being proper of a posting should be voiced in comp.sys.apple2.  Inappropriate submissions which are already covered by existing newsgroups' charters will be forwarded to said group, with a message to the submitter informing such, such as articles which do not contain a binary posting, or source code which would be forwarded to comp.sources.apple2.  The approved posts will have subjects containing keywords identifying CPU requirements, the name of the archive's contents, a count of the number of postings which make up the complete archive, and a short summary of the program, which includes a listing of additional hardware and software requirements.  Postings in comp.binaries.apple2 will be encoded as BinSCIIed ShrinkIT files, until such (unforseen at this writing) time that they are usurped in preference, using the newest commonly-available bug-free versions.  Postings will not exceed 1000 lines per post -- typically 3 BinSCII parts per post -- in order to prevent truncation through old net links.  Articles will be given unique, sequential article-IDs to help detect forgeries, and will use the References: header for the benefit of threaded newsreaders (like trn).  In case of extended moderator absence, submissions not checked for 5 days after receipt will be automatically approved in their submission form, and clearly marked that they had not been checked. Postings will be forwarded to the APPLE2-L mailing list as approved, as well as archived on an anonymously accessible FTP site.  Old postings will also be available on request from the moderator(s).  LEGAL DISCLAIMER:  Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen, but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will be 100% effective.   HOW TO VOTE:  All votes should be sent to the address "[email protected]".  Every vote will be sent an ACK which will include the text that contains the actual vote and how the vote was received.  Sample vote lines are:  On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote YES. On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I vote NO. On the moderation of comp.binaries.apple2, I ABSTAIN.  Votes can be in any format, as long as they clearly identify themselves as votes, are clear as to who is voting ("I vote" is sufficient), how the person is voting, and what proposal is being voted on.  (Please, do NOT include the entire Call For Votes in your ballot.)  Only one vote per ballot per voter.  In case of multiple ballots from the same address/voter, only the most recently received vote will be counted.   ABSTAIN votes have no effect upon success or fail of the proposal other than removing a previous YES or NO vote.  Votes received after August 28th (Central Time) will not be counted.  Periodic reposts of the Call For Votes will be made to news.announce.- newgroups, news.groups, comp.sys.apple2, and comp.binaries.apple2 (according to the wishes of the moderator of news.announce.newgroups). These will contain a Mass Voter Acknowledgement, which will list all the addresses from which votes have been received.  If your net address does not appear in the list, and you did not receive an ack, please resend your vote.  MASS VOTER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:  Apparent duplicates:  [dropped] [email protected] (mdd)           [email protected] (Mike Dodd)  [dropped] mlyons%[email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)           [email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)  [invalid] [email protected] (guest)           [email protected]   Bounced Acks:  [email protected] [email protected] (Michael Levine) * [email protected] (Cameron Silver) * [email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy) *  These votes have been counted.  * Apparently a machine in ausom.oz.au's path messes around with the headers.  Reply-to: headers get altered, and the "From " and "From:" addresses do not coincide.   Unrecognized or Ambiguous votes (not counted):  Jay Maynard <[email protected]> [email protected] (guest) Rene Gaudet <[email protected]>   Valid Votes (101 -- ABSTAINs not listed):  "Doug Ashbrook" <[email protected]> "Gary Williams"  <[email protected]> "H. Grant Delaney PH 2206" <[email protected]> "Joe Luzzi" <[email protected]> Alexander Kourakos <[email protected]> Andrew Guillaume <[email protected]> Bill Bridson <[email protected]> Brian Tao <[email protected]> David E A Wilson <[email protected]> [email protected] Doctor Science <[email protected]> Eric Shepherd <[email protected]> [email protected] (Don Fairall) Jacob S. Buchholz <[email protected]> Jawaid Bazyar <[email protected]> Jerry Penner <[email protected]> Jim (J.A.) Dean <[email protected]> Jonathan Cooper <[email protected]> [email protected] Kent Dickey <[email protected]> Marc Sira <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] Richard Eugene Courtemanche <[email protected]> Rick Ellis <[email protected]> Ron <[email protected]> Stephen Harker <[email protected]> Sterling IMD <[email protected]> Steven T Chiang <[email protected]> Tas Brown <[email protected]> Tero Sand <[email protected]> [email protected] (John Daniels) [email protected] (Andre John Kostur) [email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt) [email protected] (Matt Ostanik) [email protected] (Richard Putman) [email protected] (Brendan Hoar) [email protected] (Brian Clark) [email protected] (Basil Johnson) [email protected] (Scott M. Blackman) [email protected] (Brett Marlowe) [email protected] (Brian Huddleston) [email protected] (Charles Barber) [email protected] (Carl Rigney) [email protected] (Amrit Chauhan) [email protected] (Cameron Silver) [email protected] (David Kopper) [email protected] [email protected] (Doug Granzow) [email protected] (David Karl Leikam) [email protected] (david stephenson) [email protected] (Mike Dodd) [email protected] (Sandy Duveneck) [email protected] (Dan Wellman) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Eric Mulholland) [email protected] (Life...) [email protected] (Kent Radek) gray%[email protected] (Lyle H. Gray) [email protected] (Greg Strain) [email protected] (Kevin Henigan) [email protected] (Jason Perez) [email protected] (Jeff Beadles) [email protected] (Jeff Holcomb) [email protected] [email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy) [email protected] (John Knight) [email protected] [email protected] (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) [email protected] (Jeffrey Smoot) [email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590) [email protected] (Tom) [email protected] (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex) [email protected] (Larry W. Virden, x2487) [email protected] (James Kyriannis) [email protected] (Max Heffler) [email protected] (Michael Frankowski) [email protected] (Michael Levine) [email protected] (Michael A. Lyons) [email protected] (William Moxley) [email protected] (Frank Nusselder) [email protected] (Nik Kovalenko) [email protected] (Nicholas Pyers) [email protected] (Nicolas Lenz) [email protected] (Rich Payne) peora.sdc.ccur.com!bilver!vicstoy!aphelps (Austin Phelps) [email protected] (Shawn W Platkus) [email protected] (Dale B. LaFountain) [email protected] (Steve Reeves) [email protected] (Richard A Simm) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Robert Pascale) [email protected] (System Administrator) [email protected] (Scott Anderson) [email protected] (Sang J. Moon) [email protected] (Stephen Powell) [email protected] (Sascha Wildner) [email protected] (Tom Madigan x3438) [email protected] (tuu) [email protected] [email protected] (Eric Samuel Zeisloft) --  -- [email protected] (Life...) --   From [email protected] Mon Aug 31 21:21:21 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2669 news.groups:55995 comp.sys.apple2:42604 comp.binaries.apple2:4135 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2,comp.binaries.apple2 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan) Subject: RESULT: comp.binaries.apple2 moderated fails 99:64 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:56:32 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 325  The proposal on the moderation of the existing newsgroup comp.binaries.- apple2 FAILED with a 99 YES votes, 64 NO, and 2 ABSTAINs.  This proposal now cannot be raised again for 6 months.  Below is a copy of the proposal.  If you wish to skip it, use your newsreader search function (typically the "/" key followed by the search string) to search for the text "RESULTS:".     Moderator: [email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar) Co-Moderator: [email protected] (Greg "Life..." Berigan)       Backup: [email protected] (John Palaima)       Backup: [email protected] (Anthony J. Stuckey)  CHARTER:  Submissions are to be virus-free Freeware, Shareware or otherwise freely-distributable programs which run on any one or more Apple II, Apple III, or their compatibles when running in their Apple II compatible mode, their data files excluding those which are already covered by existing newsgroups' charters, and their documentation.  A description of the submission is also required, which must include hardware and software requirements of the submission.  If a description is absent, and one is not present inside the archive, the submitter will be asked to provide one.  If an article is rejected or diverted to another group, the poster will be informed accordingly.  An archive will not be  approved and posted  until all of its parts have arrived. Ideally, submissions should be made in the same format as the approved postings, but this is not required, only preferred.  Repeat submissions of programs will not be posted unless it is a repeat of a 6-month-or-older posting.  It is recommended that users consult a comp.binaries.apple2 archive site to obtain these programs.  Newer versions of postings are not classified as a repeat submission.  Postings which have forged approval, contain commercial software, or contain code designed to cause harm to an unsuspecting user or is otherwise a virus, are explicitly improper, and will be cancelled. Submissions which are somehow not categorized in the above as proper or improper will be decided on a case-by-case basis in open discussion in comp.sys.apple2.  Disagreements on the quality or state of being proper of a posting should be voiced in comp.sys.apple2.  Inappropriate submissions which are already covered by existing newsgroups' charters will be forwarded to said group, with a message to the submitter informing such, such as articles which do not contain a binary posting, or source code which would be forwarded to comp.sources.apple2.  The approved posts will have subjects containing keywords identifying CPU requirements, the name of the archive's contents, a count of the number of postings which make up the complete archive, and a short summary of the program, which includes a listing of additional hardware and software requirements.  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LEGAL DISCLAIMER:  Neither the moderator nor his assistants should be held responsible in any way if a virus or commercial program slips through.  The moderator and assistants will expend effort to try to ensure this doesn't happen, but no guarantees are expressed nor implied that that these efforts will be 100% effective.   RESULTS:  All votes have been ordered by their date rather than alphabetically. Those interested in testing for duplicates by alphabetising them are invited to save this post to their account, edit appropriately, and do so.  However, duplicates won't affect the results -- there weren't even 100 YES votes total, so even if all no votes were eliminated, the proposal would still fail by 1 vote.  BAD (not replaced by valid -- not counted)  Jay Maynard <[email protected]>             Wed Jul 29 21:00:32 1992 Rene Gaudet <[email protected]>                  Fri Aug  7 22:16:24 1992 [email protected] (Tyrie Grubic)                   Wed Aug 19 12:14:31 1992   BOUNCED (date is of the bounced ack message -- all counted)  [email protected]                                   Thu Jul 30 21:19:29 1992   [I have trouble reaching .BITNET machines.] [email protected] (Michael Levine)                  Fri Jul 31 08:56:16 1992 [email protected] (Cameron Silver)                  Fri Jul 31 08:57:37 1992 [email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy)                Fri Jul 31 08:59:24 1992   [This is just an addressing problem with ausom.oz.au.] [email protected]@telesys                         Sat Aug 22 10:22:46 1992   [Mail seems to have gotten through by stripping second "@telesys".] [email protected] (Martin Georg)                  Fri Aug 28 23:27:20 1992   [mail.Germany.EU.net said "Service unavailable".] [email protected] (Andrew Robert Volk)             Fri Aug 28 23:30:39 1992   [again, the .BITNET problem... my system tries appending ".forgn".]   DUPLICATES (starred ("*") votes counted)  [email protected] (guest)                      Wed Jul 29 21:59:18 1992 [email protected] (Basil Johnson)              Sun Aug  2 13:53:47 1992*  [email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)               Wed Jul 29 20:33:18 1992 [email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)               Tue Aug 18 21:39:15 1992*  [email protected] (Richard A Simm)                       Wed Jul 29 23:17:38 1992 [email protected] (Richard A Simm)                       Mon Aug 17 23:49:58 1992*  [email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)                                                                               Thu Jul 30 08:27:44 1992 [email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)                                                                               Tue Aug 18 08:44:41 1992*  mlyons%[email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)          Thu Jul 30 20:06:22 1992 [email protected] (Michael A. Lyons)              Fri Jul 31 04:34:35 1992 [email protected] (Albert Moore)                      Mon Aug 17 19:01:08 1992 [email protected] (Brian Fink)                       Mon Aug 17 19:01:11 1992 [email protected] (Eric Shaw)                Mon Aug 17 19:01:13 1992 [email protected] (Bill Logsdon)                   Mon Aug 17 19:01:15 1992 [email protected] (Bill Triplett)                  Mon Aug 17 19:01:18 1992 [email protected] (Jered Heeschen)                Mon Aug 17 19:01:20 1992 [email protected] (Craig Fancourt)                Mon Aug 17 19:01:46 1992   [Mr. Lyons may be responsible for more NO votes than these.]  [email protected]                       Tue Aug  4 10:53:51 1992 [email protected]                       Thu Aug 20 12:01:43 1992*  [email protected] (Grover Thomas)                Sun Aug 16 08:15:08 1992 [email protected] (Grover Thomas)                Tue Aug 18 01:32:55 1992*    [All above exact duplicates the votes were likely sent in error, when    the voter failed to notice them in CFV2.]   YES  Bill Bridson <[email protected]>                Wed Jul 29 18:39:10 1992 [email protected] (Eric Mulholland)             Wed Jul 29 19:48:40 1992 [email protected] (Life...)                         Wed Jul 29 20:05:46 1992 [email protected] (Brett Marlowe)                Wed Jul 29 20:44:58 1992 Richard Eugene Courtemanche <[email protected]>           Wed Jul 29 23:07:02 1992 Jawaid Bazyar <[email protected]>                         Wed Jul 29 23:26:48 1992 [email protected] (Steve Reeves)                Wed Jul 29 23:44:13 1992 Jacob S. Buchholz <[email protected]>       Wed Jul 29 23:50:05 1992 [email protected] (Tom)                       Thu Jul 30 00:07:39 1992 [email protected] (John Daniels)             Thu Jul 30 00:24:19 1992 Jerry Penner <[email protected]>                   Thu Jul 30 00:24:28 1992 [email protected] (Michael Frankowski)              Thu Jul 30 01:45:13 1992 [email protected] (Andre John Kostur)                     Thu Jul 30 01:45:45 1992 [email protected] (Dale B. LaFountain)          Thu Jul 30 02:36:46 1992 Tero Sand <[email protected]>                     Thu Jul 30 02:43:43 1992 [email protected] (Jeffrey Smoot)                          Thu Jul 30 07:28:50 1992 Doctor Science <[email protected]>           Thu Jul 30 09:18:31 1992 [email protected] (Nik Kovalenko)            Thu Jul 30 09:20:37 1992 "Doug Ashbrook" <[email protected]>                       Thu Jul 30 09:21:26 1992 [email protected] (Don Fairall)               Thu Jul 30 09:53:03 1992 [email protected]                                  Thu Jul 30 10:05:58 1992 [email protected] (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) Thu Jul 30 11:11:49 1992 "Joe Luzzi" <[email protected]>          Thu Jul 30 11:28:10 1992 Steven T Chiang <[email protected]>          Thu Jul 30 12:27:52 1992 [email protected] (Richard H. Miller)       Thu Jul 30 12:42:01 1992 [email protected] (Carl Rigney)                              Thu Jul 30 15:29:59 1992 [email protected] (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)     Thu Jul 30 15:34:22 1992 Rick Ellis <[email protected]>                   Thu Jul 30 22:01:39 1992 Tas Brown <[email protected]>           Thu Jul 30 22:47:15 1992 [email protected] (Kent Radek)                      Fri Jul 31 00:02:07 1992 Andrew Guillaume <[email protected]>               Fri Jul 31 00:20:26 1992 [email protected]                             Fri Jul 31 02:40:47 1992 [email protected] (Greg Strain)                    Fri Jul 31 05:02:14 1992 [email protected] (Doug Granzow)                Fri Jul 31 07:13:31 1992 [email protected]                         Fri Jul 31 07:32:45 1992 [email protected] (Jean-Marie Soudy)                Fri Jul 31 07:37:08 1992 [email protected] (David Kopper)                 Fri Jul 31 08:20:57 1992 [email protected] (Jason Perez)               Fri Jul 31 08:54:36 1992 "Gary Williams"  <[email protected]>            Fri Jul 31 10:34:08 1992 [email protected] (Tom Madigan x3438)            Fri Jul 31 11:41:51 1992 Brian Tao <[email protected]>                      Fri Jul 31 12:05:21 1992 [email protected] (Scott Anderson)               Fri Jul 31 17:07:34 1992 Alexander Kourakos <[email protected]>        Fri Jul 31 19:40:08 1992 [email protected] (Dan Wellman)              Sat Aug  1 02:47:04 1992 [email protected] (Brian Clark)                 Sat Aug  1 03:45:37 1992 gray%[email protected] (Lyle H. Gray)                  Sat Aug  1 07:48:51 1992 [email protected]                                   Sat Aug  1 11:37:36 1992 [email protected] (Sascha Wildner)              Sat Aug  1 17:17:13 1992 [email protected] (Frank Nusselder)                     Sat Aug  1 21:33:33 1992 [email protected] (Basil Johnson)              Sun Aug  2 13:53:47 1992 [email protected] (System Administrator)         Mon Aug  3 09:20:25 1992 [email protected]             Mon Aug  3 09:47:59 1992 [email protected] (Sandy Duveneck)                   Mon Aug  3 12:00:45 1992 [email protected] (David Karl Leikam)               Mon Aug  3 12:11:34 1992 [email protected] (Jeff Holcomb)                         Mon Aug  3 12:36:17 1992 Sterling IMD <[email protected]>                   Mon Aug  3 20:08:44 1992 [email protected] (Stephen Powell)           Tue Aug  4 18:59:06 1992 [email protected] (Amrit Chauhan)          Thu Aug  6 00:03:31 1992 [email protected] (Brendan Hoar)           Sat Aug  8 09:04:45 1992 [email protected] (Matt Ostanik)             Sun Aug  9 02:15:16 1992 Eric Shepherd <[email protected]>                Sun Aug  9 21:30:23 1992 Ron <[email protected]>                          Mon Aug 10 15:39:43 1992 David E A Wilson <[email protected]>                 Tue Aug 11 20:44:07 1992 Rob Knauerhase <[email protected]>                    Sun Aug 16 18:29:16 1992 [email protected]                                   Mon Aug 17 11:29:31 1992 Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]>                  Mon Aug 17 11:45:20 1992 [email protected]                             Mon Aug 17 13:51:57 1992 Steven E Nash <[email protected]>        Mon Aug 17 14:00:32 1992 [email protected] (Otto Heuer #3)             Mon Aug 17 14:21:26 1992 [email protected] (Matthew Elvey)            Mon Aug 17 15:14:24 1992 [email protected]                                   Mon Aug 17 19:55:59 1992 Tim Meekins <[email protected]>               Mon Aug 17 22:38:56 1992 [email protected] (Grover Thomas)                Tue Aug 18 01:32:55 1992 [email protected] (Mike Ungerman)                Tue Aug 18 08:22:56 1992 [email protected] (Kevin Lepard (MD-Phd Student) 280-0590)                                                                               Tue Aug 18 08:44:41 1992 "Diane M. Wink" <[email protected]>            Tue Aug 18 09:12:43 1992 [email protected] (Chris Deschu)           Tue Aug 18 14:55:43 1992 uunet.UU.NET!web!feline!gray (Kelly Gray)              Tue Aug 18 15:34:24 1992 Thekid <[email protected]>                     Tue Aug 18 22:00:48 1992 [email protected] (Francis A. Uy)                        Tue Aug 18 23:51:18 1992 [email protected] (Kevin Gapp)                     Wed Aug 19 00:27:53 1992 [email protected]@telesys (Kevin W. Reed)         Wed Aug 19 02:25:01 1992 [email protected] (Edward Floden)                 Wed Aug 19 04:38:58 1992 P. Phillips <[email protected]>           Wed Aug 19 09:57:52 1992 [email protected] (Randy Fromm)                Wed Aug 19 19:56:48 1992 [email protected] (Chris Jacobson)               Thu Aug 20 02:54:40 1992 [email protected] (John N Schmidt)                  Thu Aug 20 11:43:31 1992 PHILLIPS NW <[email protected]>              Fri Aug 21 04:44:01 1992 cactus.org!wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-cajun.cts.com!sysadm (System Administrator)                                                      Fri Aug 21 08:28:22 1992 Kent Landfield <[email protected]>                 Sat Aug 22 01:05:42 1992 [email protected] (Stephen Snyder 73312)    Sat Aug 22 14:52:56 1992 [email protected] (Gabe Helou)                           Sat Aug 22 23:29:56 1992 [email protected] (Martin Georg)                  Sun Aug 23 00:28:28 1992 [email protected] (Paul Schultz)                          Mon Aug 24 20:51:12 1992 [email protected] (Mike Garvey)                           Tue Aug 25 17:55:14 1992 [email protected] (Jim Cahill)                     Tue Aug 25 18:28:18 1992 Dwight Starr <[email protected]>        Wed Aug 26 14:14:59 1992 [email protected] (Hank Leukart)             Thu Aug 27 13:47:55 1992 "Tony J Neyens" <[email protected]>                      Fri Aug 28 14:11:19 1992   NO  Kent Dickey <[email protected]>                  Wed Jul 29 18:46:52 1992 [email protected]                           Wed Jul 29 19:22:07 1992 [email protected] (James Kyriannis)         Wed Jul 29 21:39:02 1992 [email protected] (Scott M. Blackman)             Wed Jul 29 23:45:54 1992 [email protected] (Rich Payne)                         Thu Jul 30 00:02:27 1992 Jonathan Cooper <[email protected]>                Thu Jul 30 01:35:17 1992 [email protected] (Mike Dodd)                         Thu Jul 30 01:47:05 1992 Stephen Harker <[email protected]>         Thu Jul 30 02:11:34 1992 [email protected]                                   Thu Jul 30 05:55:32 1992 [email protected] (Andy Finkenstadt)       Thu Jul 30 07:13:34 1992 Jim (J.A.) Dean <[email protected]>                       Thu Jul 30 07:16:20 1992 [email protected] (Larry W. Virden, x2487)                 Thu Jul 30 07:28:56 1992 [email protected] (Nicolas Lenz)                   Thu Jul 30 10:13:21 1992 Marc Sira <[email protected]>                     Thu Jul 30 15:16:48 1992 [email protected] (Jeff Beadles)                     Thu Jul 30 20:21:54 1992 [email protected] (tuu)                           Thu Jul 30 21:50:49 1992 [email protected] (Eric Samuel Zeisloft)     Thu Jul 30 23:44:49 1992 [email protected] (Charles Barber)               Fri Jul 31 07:10:07 1992 [email protected] (Michael Levine)                  Fri Jul 31 07:30:13 1992 [email protected] (Cameron Silver)                  Fri Jul 31 07:36:57 1992 [email protected] (Robert Pascale)              Fri Jul 31 07:38:25 1992 [email protected] (Max Heffler)              Fri Jul 31 09:39:36 1992 "H. Grant Delaney PH 2206" <[email protected]>       Fri Jul 31 10:57:30 1992 [email protected] (Brian Huddleston)           Sun Aug  2 14:41:39 1992 [email protected] (Richard Putman)             Sun Aug  2 14:42:35 1992 [email protected] (david stephenson)             Sun Aug  2 14:43:31 1992 [email protected] (Ed McGuire)                 Sun Aug  2 23:50:56 1992 [email protected] (Sang J. Moon)            Mon Aug  3 06:42:30 1992 [email protected] (Kevin Henigan)              Tue Aug  4 08:21:38 1992 [email protected] (William Moxley)                   Tue Aug  4 10:19:05 1992 [email protected] (Nicholas Pyers)                  Wed Aug  5 02:30:31 1992 [email protected] (John Knight)                     Wed Aug  5 20:32:57 1992 peora.sdc.ccur.com!bilver!vicstoy!aphelps (Austin Phelps)                                                                              Sun Aug  9 17:00:48 1992 Po Shan Cheah <[email protected]>            Mon Aug 17 10:47:35 1992 [email protected]                         Mon Aug 17 13:57:51 1992 [email protected]                         Mon Aug 17 14:26:31 1992 Roy LeCates <[email protected]>                    Mon Aug 17 14:50:37 1992 epas.utoronto.ca!nextwave!seacove!philip (Philip McDunnough)                                                                           Mon Aug 17 16:27:39 1992 David A Lyons <[email protected]>                       Mon Aug 17 18:05:30 1992 peora.sdc.ccur.com!jwt!bbs-bdoherty (Benjamin Doherty) Mon Aug 17 21:15:00 1992 [email protected]                                           Mon Aug 17 21:39:12 1992 [email protected] (Richard A Simm)                       Mon Aug 17 23:49:58 1992 [email protected] (Robert_Paul MUELLER)                Tue Aug 18 00:35:55 1992 [email protected] (Dale Smith)                Tue Aug 18 05:42:20 1992 [email protected] (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)      Tue Aug 18 08:02:56 1992 [email protected] (Scot Salmon)                          Tue Aug 18 16:29:02 1992 [email protected] (Jim Murphy)                   Tue Aug 18 17:25:37 1992 [email protected] (Shawn W Platkus)               Tue Aug 18 21:39:15 1992 [email protected] (Scott Gentry)            Wed Aug 19 08:41:52 1992 [email protected] (Chris Arndt)                  Wed Aug 19 10:53:51 1992 Scott P Turner <[email protected]>           Wed Aug 19 23:26:02 1992 sunpitt.East.Sun.COM!csfs!cs690-3!tefft (Andy Tefft)   Thu Aug 20 07:08:26 1992 [email protected]                       Thu Aug 20 12:01:43 1992 [email protected] (Matt Deatherage)                      Thu Aug 20 16:52:58 1992 Steven Nelson <[email protected]>           Fri Aug 21 10:53:34 1992 [email protected] (Dave Harvey)            Fri Aug 21 23:12:13 1992 Jeff Hartkopf <[email protected]>             Sun Aug 23 18:38:51 1992 [email protected] (Glenn Koproske)          Mon Aug 24 07:03:02 1992 [email protected] (Andrew Robert Volk)             Mon Aug 24 23:09:55 1992 Michael V. Kent <[email protected]>                        Tue Aug 25 00:07:19 1992 [email protected] (Stephen Davidson)                Wed Aug 26 04:25:42 1992 [email protected] (Not A Random Name)                Wed Aug 26 06:02:23 1992 [email protected] (John Andersen)                Thu Aug 27 09:16:43 1992   ABSTAIN  [email protected]                                 Wed Jul 29 19:27:13 1992 [email protected] (Curt Schroeder)                   Mon Aug 10 08:49:23 1992 --  -- [email protected] (Life...)  ///   ____   \\\  "Sorry, did I say something wrong?  Pardon me for | |/ /    \ \| |   breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't even   \\_|\____/|_//    know why I bother to say it oh God I'm so depressed.      \_)\\/        Here's another one of those self-satisfied doors.        `-'         Life... don't talk to me about life...."  
 
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