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From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 02:56:10 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1791 news.groups:38529 comp.sys.next.misc:11284 comp.sys.next.announce:270 comp.sys.next.programmer:2693 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:2946 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Path: rpi!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ernest Prabhakar) Subject: RFD:  comp.sys.next.{advocacy,forsale,hardware} Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1992 04:41:49 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 99  			Request for Discussion: 		New Groups Proposed under comp.sys.next 		   Followup Discussion in news.groups  The general philosophy I am shooting for is to improve the 'signal-to-noise' ratio in various groups for the target audience.  Of course, one person's signal is another one's noise, so we want to (roughly) have a new group for every signal that others would consider noise.  The biggest problem with adding groups is a fear of cross-posting: people don't want to have to kill a thread several times.  This is a touchy issue that won't be settled until the final vote.  However, the best way to address this problem is clear, orthogonal charters.  So, when you discuss a group, make it clear what charter you are referring to.  Pascal did a good job in the last reorg of having well-defined charters for csn.{announce,misc,sysadmin,programmer}. Hopefully we can live up to that standard this time around.  These are just initial suggestions.  Don't flame me, just tell us what you think.  The questions are: 	Should we create this group? 	What charter should it have? 	What name will it have?  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Possible new groups to be created (all unmoderated): Format of proposal: - potential names - CHarter - RATionale - ADvantages - DISadvantages  **csn.advocacy (csn.discuss, csn.talk, csn.flames, csn.issues) CH: Long/emotional discussions RAT: We can't change human nature, but we can avoid it sometimes :-) AD:  clean up csn.misc, give people a forum for that sort of thing DIS: might encourage more abuse  **csn.forsale (csn.market, csn.marketplace, csn.commercial) CH: Resale, new software, also jobs and price lists (NeXT and 3rd party) RAT:  Such material we know when we want to look at it. AD: Don't have to wade through it.  Keeps commercial stuff off main groups. DIS: some new product announcements may fit better on csn.announce  **csn.hardware (csn.peripherals, csn.scsi) CH: Questions about drives, modems, memory RAT: Non-buyers are uninterested in them. AD: Currently such stuff is in both csn.sysadmin or csn.misc - coalesce. DIS: Might be confused with misc.forsale; NeXT or 3rd party hardware?  **csn.nextpolicy (csn.marketing, csn.od, csn.upgrades, ... :-) CH: Questions/comments/discussion about what NeXT is doing (and why) RAT: We feel a personal stake in what NeXT decides, and want to tell them AD:  Lots of interest in  it DIS:  Identical to csn.flames :-)  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some other groups that have been suggested, but I don't find well supported. Other people can turn these into serious proposals if they want to:  *csn.newapps (announcements, both commercial and free) *csn.graphics (PostScript/Renderman - is this covered in csn.prog or apps?) *csn.{reviews,games, database, sndnmusic, images, and emulators}: 	well-defined, but not much traffic *csn.newusers (newdevelopers) *csn.news, csn.newproducts (too close to announce) *csn.documentation (too vague?) *csn.networking (IP, SLIP, modems, Internet, UUCP, ISDN) *csn.highered (the vanishing breed :-) *csn.international (foreign languages, foreign dealerships) *csn.comparisons (NeXT vs. Indigo, vs. Sun, vs. Xstations...) *csn.multimedia (isn't everything multi-media on a NeXT? :-)  *csn.rtf; csn.newsgrazer: should be in alt -alt.next.newsgrazer (do people -really- care that much?) -alt.steve.jobs.cult :-) 	Remember alt groups are created under different rules  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Also, don't forget other, related groups which already exist that much current traffic could be diverted to:  comp.os.mach comp.lang.postscript comp.arch (CPU architecture, e.g. RISC vs. CISC vs. Intel) misc.jobs misc.forsale  ====================================================== Also, somebody else will need do the CallForVotes eventually,  as I'm not really savvy with mailing lists. See news.announce.newgroups for details on the process. Well, that should get us started.  See you in news.groups. 	- Ernie Prabhakar --  Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom ([email protected]) CaJUN President        NeXTMail:[email protected] "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 5:13a  From [email protected] Sat Apr  4 03:23:04 1992 Xref: rpi news.announce.newgroups:1902 news.groups:40682 comp.sys.next.misc:14234 comp.sys.next.programmer:3608 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:3534 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Path: rpi!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!europa.asd.contel.com!uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ernest Prabhakar) Subject: CFV:  comp.sys.next.{advocacy|hardware|marketplace|richposts|software} Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UUNET Communications Services Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1992 03:11:00 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 95                                   Call For Votes                      New Groups Proposed under comp.sys.next  Okay, everybody, this is it.  Replace the question mark with the   appropriate letter indicating your choice (or you can just leave the   '?' to abstain), and mail the ballot below back to this address:  	[email protected]  You should be able to do that by merely replying to this post.	 For each "Proposal," indicate your choice of a yes vote or a no vote   by placing a Y or N, respectively, at the beginning of the line. The   first character on the line that is either a Y or an N (case doesn't   matter) will be counted as your vote on that proposal. You may   abstain from any particular vote by deleting the line entirely from   the ballot. An invalid line (one not containing a Y or an N before   the "Proposal #n:" tag) will be treated as an abstention, as well.    The vote period is from March 12th, 1992 until April 10th, 1992,   inclusive (Pacific Standard Time).  Only votes received during that   period will be counted.  Each proposal is a separate vote, and must   be voted on separately under the Guidelines for Group Creation.  Please edit and send in the ballot below. Each ballot will be   stripped of all but the From: line and the lines containing valid   votes by an automatic process [thanks to   [email protected]]; I won't see any comments included.   No individual acknowledgments will be mailed (nor, in many cases,   will read receipts be sent).  I will attempt to post a mass   acknowledgement later this month.  Comments can be sent to me at: [email protected] Votes sent to that address will be forwarded, as long as it is clear   they are votes.  A few people sent me votes during the RFD - I   assumed they were merely comments; they must now be resent as votes.    It's been a pleasure working with y'all.  Excelsior!  -Ernie P.  P.S.  The existing groups will continue to exist "as is". ---------------------------------------------------------------------  ---------  Y[es],N[o],A[bstain]	Group (in alphabetical order) ===============================     ?   Proposal #1:  Create comp.sys.next.advocacy?  ?   Proposal #2:  Create comp.sys.next.hardware?  ?   Proposal #3:  Create comp.sys.next.marketplace?  ?   Proposal #4:  Create comp.sys.next.richposts?  ?   Proposal #5:  Create comp.sys.next.software? ===============================     Charters (will be posted periodically to the group):  **csn.advocacy This group is a forum for: 	1. Discussing of (and providing feedback on) NeXT Policy   	2. Speculations concerning NeXTs future 	3. Expressing strong, perhaps unpopular opinions 	4. Long, philosophical (or unanswerable) discussions  **csn.hardware This group is a forum for discussing: 	1. 3rd party drives, modems, memory, printers... 	2. Questions about NeXT hardware specs 	3. Problems using/installing any of the above  **csn.marketplace This group is a forum for: 	1. Users to sell software/hardware 	2. Discussions of "what to buy" 	3. Discussions of prices. 	4. NeXT-related job offerings [commercial software still goes to csn.announce]  **csn.richposts   This group is a forum for using mulitmedia news posters   (NewsGrazer,   MIME, etc.).  In general, people should not post rich text to other   newsgroups.  If the article would be of wider interest, yet for some   reason needs to be in RTF, the person can post a pointer to it in the   other groups.  Large binaries (even if images or sounds) should not be   posted.  That is what archives are for.   **csn.software This group is a forum for discussions about software: 	1. Functionality 	2. Usage 	3. Availability [app development still goes to csn.programmer]  From [email protected] Sun Apr 19 22:02:29 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2228 news.groups:48986 comp.sys.next.announce:356 comp.sys.next.misc:17026 comp.sys.next.programmer:4228 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:4047 Path: uunet!uunet!uunet!not-for-mail From: [email protected] (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.next.announce,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: RESULT:  comp.sys.next groups Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:22:13 -0400 Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 644 Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.UU.NET                           	Final Results                      New Groups Proposed under comp.sys.next  Well, the results of all 488 valid votes have been tallied, and the   results are:       YES on advocacy, hardware, marketplace, software but       NO  on richposts 		        To wit: ===============================    Proposal #1:  Create comp.sys.next.advocacy?  YES/NO: 368 to 99...margin 269, percent in favor 78.800857 PASSES  Proposal #2:  Create comp.sys.next.hardware?  YES/NO: 411 to 65...margin 346, percent in favor 86.344538 PASSES  Proposal #3:  Create comp.sys.next.marketplace?  YES/NO: 390 to 81...margin 309, percent in favor 82.802548 PASSES  Proposal #4:  Create comp.sys.next.richposts?  YES/NO: 287 to 171...margin 116, percent in favor 62.663755 NO PASS  Proposal #5:  Create comp.sys.next.software?  YES/NO: 367 to 104...margin 263, percent in favor 77.919321 PASSES ===============================    (Due to abstentions, numbers may not add up to 488)  Although there was a simple majory for csn.richposts there was NOT the requisite 2-to-1 majority.  The USENET guidelines   state: "3)AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections   that might invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create   votes are received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total   number of valid votes received are in favor of creation, a newgroup   control message may be sent out.  If the 100 vote margin or 2/3   percentage is not met, the group should not be created."  This means that such a group cannot be proposed again until October: "5)A proposal which has failed under point (3) above should not again   be brought up for discussion until at least six months have passed   >from the close of the vote.  This limitation does not apply to   proposals which never went to vote." I will write a FAQ explaining this and send it in.  I should point out that there were eighteen (18) 'invalid' votes -   people did not follow the automatic voting guidelines, either   balloting or mailing incorrectly. They are: ---------- A A A A A [email protected] A A A A A Christopher Seline <[email protected]> A A A A A Daniel Faken <[email protected]>> A A A A A David Williams <[email protected]> A A A A A Eric Hermanson <[email protected]> A A A A A Eric Murray <[email protected]> A A A A A Harry Schmidt  A A A A A Jim Ames <[email protected]> A A A A A [email protected] A A A A A Mark Henry <[email protected]> A A A A A Matt Bezark <[email protected]> A A A A A [email protected] A A A A A Richard Commander <[email protected]> A A A A A Sean Church <[email protected]> A A A A A Steven R. Staton <[email protected]> A A A A A Stuart Ritchie <[email protected]> A A A A A V. Balaji <[email protected]> A A A A A [email protected] ----------  However, since: a) the voting instructions were clear    and b) the number is too small to affect any of the results. This is a valid vote.     Following is a list of votes.  Please send mail to me   ([email protected]) or David C. Lawrence <[email protected]> if you   detect any problems with the vote.  Thanks for your participation.  If you have any complaints about the   outcome, take it to comp.sys.next.advocacy. :-) - Ernie P. ============== A H M R S   [Advocacy - Hardware - Marketplace - Richposts - Software] *********************************************************A A A N A A A A N A John G. Myers <[email protected]> A A A N A Joseph Malcolm <[email protected]> *********************************************************A A N N A A A N N A Chip Rosenthal <[email protected]> *********************************************************A A Y A A A A Y A A [email protected] *********************************************************A N Y Y Y A N Y Y Y Jeffrey R Fields <[email protected]> *********************************************************A Y A A Y A Y A A Y Gerhard_Moeller <[email protected]> A Y A A Y [email protected] *********************************************************A Y A N A A Y A N A Graham Stoney <[email protected]> *********************************************************A Y A N Y A Y A N Y Dave Murphy <[email protected]> *********************************************************A Y N Y Y A Y N Y Y Archangel <[email protected]> *********************************************************A Y Y A Y A Y Y A Y Hiroshi Takahashi <[email protected]> A Y Y A Y Jeff Wishnie <[email protected]> A Y Y A Y Joanne Brooks <[email protected]> A Y Y A Y [email protected] *********************************************************A Y Y N Y A Y Y N Y Alex Chaffee <[email protected]> A Y Y N Y Catriona Stadtler <[email protected]> A Y Y N Y Paul Woods <[email protected]> A Y Y N Y Roger Rosner <[email protected]> *********************************************************A Y Y Y Y A Y Y Y Y Hubert Delahaye <[email protected]> A Y Y Y Y Peter Murray <[email protected]> A Y Y Y Y William Gilbert <[email protected]> *********************************************************N A A N N N A A N N [email protected] *********************************************************N A Y A Y N A Y A Y patrick carnahan phillips <[email protected]> *********************************************************N N N N N N N N N N Bill E. Eickmeier <[email protected]> N N N N N Brian Glaeske <[email protected]> N N N N N Carl Rigney <[email protected]> N N N N N Chris Bradley <[email protected]> N N N N N Christopher Ward <[email protected]> N N N N N Daniel Veditz <[email protected]> N N N N N Ed McGuire <[email protected]> N N N N N Eric Marshall <[email protected]> N N N N N Eric P. Scott <[email protected]> N N N N N Ernst Kloecker <[email protected]> N N N N N Glen Foster <[email protected]> N N N N N James W. McKelvey <[email protected]> N N N N N Jason Holloway <[email protected]> N N N N N Joe St Sauver <[email protected]> N N N N N Karl Kraft <[email protected]> N N N N N Michael Amirault <[email protected]> N N N N N Peter Phillips <[email protected]> N N N N N Roland Kaltefleiter <[email protected]> N N N N N Tom Limoncelli <[email protected]> N N N N N [email protected] N N N N N mehta <[email protected]> *********************************************************N N N N Y N N N N Y [email protected] *********************************************************N N N Y N N N N Y N Bill Owens <[email protected]> N N N Y N [email protected] N N N Y N Tim McLarnan <[email protected]> *********************************************************N N Y A N N N Y A N Shawn Broderick <[email protected]> *********************************************************N N Y N N N N Y N N Daniel L Grillo <[email protected]> N N Y N N Eric A. Litman <[email protected]> N N Y N N Ken Fortenberry <[email protected]> N N Y N N Nader Nafissi <[email protected]> N N Y N N Phillip Tokumaru <[email protected]> *********************************************************N N Y N Y N N Y N Y [email protected] *********************************************************N N Y Y N N N Y Y N Brad Vaughan  N N Y Y N H. Scott Roy <[email protected]> N N Y Y N Terry H. Tautz <[email protected]> N N Y Y N WiseGuy <[email protected]> N N Y Y N [email protected] *********************************************************N Y A N A N Y A N A Hardy <[email protected]> *********************************************************N Y A N N N Y A N N Eric Engstrom <[email protected]> *********************************************************N Y A N Y N Y A N Y blm%[email protected] *********************************************************N Y N N N N Y N N N Don Deal <[email protected]> N Y N N N Robert Macfarlane <[email protected]> *********************************************************N Y N N Y N Y N N Y Arne Henrik Juul <[email protected]> N Y N N Y David Megginson <[email protected]> N Y N N Y Geoff Bronner <[email protected]> N Y N N Y Mark Horn <[email protected]> N Y N N Y Timothy VanFosson <[email protected]> N Y N N Y [email protected] *********************************************************N Y N Y N N Y N Y N Astral Phil <[email protected]> N Y N Y N Steve Penton <[email protected]> N Y N Y N Steven M. Boker <[email protected]> *********************************************************N Y N Y Y N Y N Y Y David Ross <[email protected]> N Y N Y Y Jan Willem de Bruijn <[email protected]> N Y N Y Y Real life? Ha! <[email protected]> N Y N Y Y [email protected] *********************************************************N Y Y A Y N Y Y A Y Davor Barcan <[email protected]> N Y Y A Y Tom Tucker [email protected]> *********************************************************N Y Y N N N Y Y N N Michael Friedel <[email protected]> N Y Y N N [email protected] N Y Y N N [email protected] N Y Y N N [email protected] *********************************************************N Y Y N Y N Y Y N Y Carl Lowenstein <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Casimir J Palowitch <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Larry Rosenstein <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Matthias Boehringer <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Nathan Loofbourrow <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Rich Kaul <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Roberto Arrocha <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Scott M. Stark <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Sebastian Mix <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y Thomas Tschannen <[email protected]> N Y Y N Y [email protected] N Y Y N Y [email protected] N Y Y N Y [email protected] N Y Y N Y wayne beech <[email protected]> *********************************************************N Y Y Y N N Y Y Y N Andy Lee <[email protected]> N Y Y Y N Ian Duncan <[email protected]> N Y Y Y N Jay Sekora <[email protected]> N Y Y Y N Laurent Amon <[email protected]> N Y Y Y N Matthew M. Stecker [email protected]> N Y Y Y N Tim Dawson <[email protected]> *********************************************************N Y Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y Arnaud Weber <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Carrick Talmadge <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Dave Meyer <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Eric Fronberg <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Hades <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y John Bartley <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Jonathan Kruger <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Lyle Parkyn  N Y Y Y Y Mark Thomsen <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Mike Basinger <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y My Account <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Robert Parkhill <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y Tim Buck <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y William Swats <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y William Zook III <[email protected]> N Y Y Y Y [email protected] *********************************************************Y A A N A Y A A N A Michael Sanderson <[email protected]> Y A A N A Pearlman <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y A A Y Y Y A A Y Y Ivan Vesely <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y A Y A A Y A Y A A [email protected] *********************************************************Y A Y N A Y A Y N A Steven D. Borrelli <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y A Y Y A Y A Y Y A Mark Nathan <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y N A Y N Y N A Y N Jim Blevins <[email protected]> Y N A Y N [email protected] *********************************************************Y N N N N Y N N N N Bruce Ediger <[email protected]> Y N N N N David C. Copley <[email protected]> Y N N N N Jacob Gore <[email protected]> Y N N N N John J Kuszewski <[email protected]> Y N N N N Peter Karbaliotis <[email protected]> Y N N N N Sean Eric Fagan <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y N N Y N Y N N Y N David Norton <[email protected]> Y N N Y N Oliver Johns <[email protected]> Y N N Y N [email protected] Y N N Y N pierce cantrell [email protected]> *********************************************************Y N N Y Y Y N N Y Y Thomas Marchioro <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y N Y A N Y N Y A N Alex Dommasch <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y N Y N N Y N Y N N Bryon Nevis <[email protected]> Y N Y N N Dirk Karis <[email protected]> Y N Y N N [email protected] Y N Y N N Pascal Gaudette <[email protected]> Y N Y N N Perry Caro <[email protected]> Y N Y N N Robert D. La Ferla <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y N Y N Y Y N Y N Y [email protected] *********************************************************Y N Y Y N Y N Y Y N Dirk Koeppen <[email protected]> Y N Y Y N Don Yackman <[email protected]> Y N Y Y N Gavriel State <[email protected]> Y N Y Y N Nick Christopher <[email protected]> Y N Y Y N Paul Verket <[email protected]> Y N Y Y N james scott <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y Y A A Y Y Y A A Y [email protected] *********************************************************Y Y A Y Y Y Y A Y Y Scott Meyer <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y Y N N N Y Y N N N Andreas Haug   <[email protected]> Y Y N N N Glenn Reid <[email protected]> Y Y N N N [email protected] Y Y N N N [email protected] Y Y N N N [email protected] *********************************************************Y Y N N Y Y Y N N Y Christopher D Audley <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Denise Blakeley <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Dennis W. Ruck [email protected]> Y Y N N Y Erik C. Sowa <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Jiro Nakamura <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Mark Linimon   <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Nigel Metheringham <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Richard H. Miller <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y Stuart L Labovitz <[email protected]> Y Y N N Y [email protected] Y Y N N Y [email protected] Y Y N N Y [email protected] *********************************************************Y Y N Y N Y Y N Y N David Griffith  Y Y N Y N Mike Park <[email protected]> Y Y N Y N Paul J. Sanchez <[email protected]> Y Y N Y N William Herndon <[email protected]> Y Y N Y N denis norton <[email protected]> Y Y N Y N [email protected] *********************************************************Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Y Y Charles Robinson <[email protected]> Y Y N Y Y Day <[email protected]> Y Y N Y Y Hironobu Suzuki <[email protected]> Y Y N Y Y Ian Rae <[email protected]> Y Y N Y Y Miriam Golden [email protected]> *********************************************************Y Y Y A A Y Y Y A A [email protected] *********************************************************Y Y Y A N Y Y Y A N Doug DeJulio <[email protected]> *********************************************************Y Y Y A Y Y Y Y A Y Andrew Loewenstern <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Brett Bullock <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Christian_Paulus <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Dwight Everhart <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Ivan Strand <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Jeff Buske <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y M.L Demsey <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Martin David Frankel <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Matt Rollefson <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Michael Declerck 841-1115 <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Randy McCaskill <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Richard Raubertas <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y Russell Schulz <[email protected]> Y Y Y A Y [email protected] *********************************************************Y Y Y N N Y Y Y N N Jayson Adams <[email protected]> Y Y Y N N Kelley Wittmeyer <[email protected]> Y Y Y N N Richard O'Neill <[email protected]> Y Y Y N N Russell Selph <[email protected]> Y Y Y N N Tony Zamora <[email protected]> Y Y Y N N William Lewis <[email protected]> Y Y Y N N [email protected] Y Y Y N N marcel%[email protected] *********************************************************Y Y Y N Y Y Y Y N Y <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Adam Smith <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Alex Dahl <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Angelo Codevilla <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Bill Carson <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Carsten Rathsack <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Chris Barrus <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Craig Artley <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y DAVID HALE <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Dale LaFountain <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Dan Danz <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Daniel Miles Kehoe <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Dara Staal <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y David Christian Homan <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Denis Lynch <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Federico Heinz <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Gregory A Yut <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Heng-Yi Lin <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Irving_Wolfe <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Jens Nystuen <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Jim De Arras <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y John Robison <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Joseph Chin <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Kenneth Nelson <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Larry Cordner <[email protected]> Y Y Y N Y Louis A. 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