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From [email protected] Fri Jun 19 13:20:21 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2422 news.groups:52903 comp.sys.sgi:22783 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Subject: RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 04:06:18 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 50  Recently there has been some discussion on splitting up the comp.sys.sgi newsgroup hierarchy. I have volunteered to initiate a formal discussion on possible ways of performing the split. The following Request for Discussion (RFD) is based on a melding of the various posting.  I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed. I request postings on the appropriateness of these specific news groups.    admin		Discussions of system administration issues   announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp archives)   hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of periphials   gl		Discussion of Graphics Library Issues   wanted	Postings looking for specific programs, hardware, for sale, etc.   misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.  It should be noted that there was at least one comment indicating that the gl group should be in comp.windows. I am interested in the opinions of others on that issue.  In addition, I propose that there be another group or groups that are more oriented to software/programming. In the earlier discussion the following groups were suggested. I have added a brief charter based on what I believe the name implies. I request posting on determining which if any of the following news groups should also be formed.    apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those 	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.   irix		Discussions about the IRIX operating system.   programmers	Discussions about programming issues unique to SGI platforms.   software	Discussion of software related issues on SGI machines.   One of the issues with splitting up the comp.sys newsgroups is how this would effect the info-iris mailing list. I made the following suggestion to the administrator of info-iris:  For each separate comp.sys.sgi newsgroup there would be a separate info-iris mailing list.  Individuals without USENET access then could subscribe to the individual mailing lists. Initially people currently on the info-iris mailing list would be placed on all the lists and then they could unsubscribe to the ones they don't want.  I did not receive a reply on if this proposal was acceptable or not, but would like to use it as the basis for discussions on how the mailing lists should be handled, but will be glad to entertain other suggestions. --  Matt Wicks Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory [email protected] 708-840-8083  From [email protected] Tue Jul 21 17:08:58 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2558 news.groups:54520 comp.sys.sgi:24140 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:32:19 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 55  A little over a month ago, I posted a Request for Discussion (RFD) for splitting the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. A number of responses were posted and/or sent directly to me. The feedback provided by this input is the basis for this 2nd RFD. I welcome any posting and/or replys on the proposed re-organization.  In general, everyone seemed to be in favor of doing a split. We simply need to reach consensus on the specifics of the split and then move to a Call For Vote (CFV).  The changes from the original RFD are as follows:   - Reduction in the total number of groups to avoid overlap  - Expansion of the scope of the .admin group  - Additions of a .bugs group  - Change of name of the .gl group to .graphics and expand its scope. A    separate RFD is being conducted for a comp.graphics.opengl group for general    gl issues.  I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:    admin		Discussions of system administration issues. This would 		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.   announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp 		archives, etc)   apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those 	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.   bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.   graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor, 		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific 		to using a SGI machine.   hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of 		perhipherals.   misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.   One of the issues with splitting up the comp.sys newsgroups is how this would effect the info-iris mailing list. I made the following suggestion to the administrator of info-iris:  For each separate comp.sys.sgi newsgroup there would be a separate info-iris mailing list.  Individuals without USENET access then could subscribe to the individual mailing lists. Initially people currently on the info-iris mailing list would be placed on all the lists and then they could unsubscribe to the ones they don't want.  I still have not received a reply on if this proposal was acceptable or not, although the info-iris administrator did attempt to get a hold of me once. I would like to use it as the basis for discussions on how the mailing lists should be handled, but will be glad to entertain other suggestions. --  Matt Wicks Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory [email protected] 708-840-8083  From [email protected] Fri Sep 25 12:22:30 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2772 news.groups:56957 comp.sys.sgi:27195 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Subject: 3rd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:08:59 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 79  First of all, I want to apologize for the long lag time between the 2nd and 3rd RFD. The main issue was how to handle the info-iris mailing list, which required interaction with the people actually running this mailing list. I have finally gotten their feedback and thus this 3rd RFD is unchanged except on the proposal of how the info-iris mailing list would be handled.  In general, everyone seemed to be in favor of doing a split. We simply need to reach consensus on the specifics of the split and then move to a Call For Vote (CFV).  The changes from the original RFD are as follows:   - Reduction in the total number of groups to avoid overlap  - Expansion of the scope of the .admin group  - Additions of a .bugs group  - Change of name of the .gl group to .graphics and expand its scope. A    separate RFD is being conducted for a comp.graphics.opengl group for general    gl issues.  I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:    admin		Discussions of system administration issues. This would 		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.   announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp 		archives, etc)   apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those 	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.   bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.   graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor, 		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific 		to using a SGI machine.   hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of 		perhipherals.   misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.   The new proposal for how splitting of comp.sys.sgi will effect the info-iris mailing list is as follows:   - There will remain one mailing list called [email protected] All of the    new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of    info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each    separate news group. The address for [email protected] will be    maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the    mailing list.  - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group    (i.e. [email protected], [email protected], etc.). Mail    sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group    as well as to the info-iris mailing list.  - There are two possibilities on how mail addressed to [email protected]    should be handled.    - Proposal 1 is that mail sent to [email protected] will be posted to      comp.sys.sgi.misc as well as going to the info-iris mailing list. People      would be encouraged to not use this address, but instead to use      info-iris- so the posting went to the correct group.    - Proposal 2 is that mail sent to [email protected] will be sent only to      the info-iris mailing list and not be posted to a newsgroup. If people      want the information in a newsgroup then they should get access to news      or send it to info-iris-.  Thus the main purpose of this RFD is to provide feedback on if you are satisfied with the way the mailing list will be handled and which proposal you favor for how the info-iris mailing list should be handled. Chuck Kennedy, the administrator of info-iris, prefers proposal 1 as he would like to make sure that people using the mailing list also have their postings go to news. I prefer proposal 2, because I am afraid that comp.sys.sgi.misc will end up being equivalent to the current comp.sys.sgi, and it will be more difficult to use the .misc group. Also, the discussion of an item that started in .graphics for example, would end up in .misc because someone replied to info-iris.  Please provide your feedback soon, so we can move to a CFV and finally get this split taken care of. --  Matt Wicks Group Leader, UNIX System Support Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory [email protected] 708-840-8083  From [email protected] Wed Nov  4 10:19:40 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2897 news.groups:58831 comp.sys.sgi:28984 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Subject: CFV: comp.sys.sgi reorganization Followup-To: poster Approved: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:49:12 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Lines: 130  This article is a CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy.  Currently there is a single comp.sys.sgi that receives 50-70 messages a day. This split will break the group into subject areas to allow people to follow the areas that are of interest to them. The decisions on which subgroups are being proposed are the result of 3 RFD's that have occured over the past 4 months are so.  This proposal also details how the info-iris mailing list will be handled in light of the split of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. The details of how this will be handled is based on what the info-iris mailing list administrator is willing to provide. There is no vote on how the info-iris mailing list is handled. These changes will take effect, assuming the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy is split into several groups.  PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.  +----------+ | PROPOSAL | +----------+  Create comp.sys.sgi.   admin         Discussions of system administration issues. This would                 include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.   announce      general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp                 archives, etc)   apps          Discussions of various application packages , both those                 provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.   bugs          Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.   graphics      Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,                 Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific                 to using a SGI machine.   hardware      Discussion of hardware issues including connection of                 perhipherals.   misc          Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.  All of the groups except .announce will be unmoderated. It is convention that a .announce group is moderated. I will serve as the moderator for the group (Matt Wicks, [email protected]).  The following explains how the info-iris mailing list will be handled, assuming that the CFV results in a split of the comp.sys.sgi group:   - There will remain one mailing list called [email protected] All of the    new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of    info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each    separate news group. The address for [email protected] will be    maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the    mailing list.  - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group    (i.e. [email protected], [email protected], etc.). Mail    sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group    as well as to the info-iris mailing list. When mail is sent to one    of these addresses, the Reply-To: field will be set accordinly to make    replying easier. For example, mail sent to [email protected] will    have [email protected] in the Reply-To: field.  - Mail sent to the address [email protected] will be rejected and a    message will be returned to the sender informing them of the availability    of the individual info-iris-subject addresses. This will force people to    post to a specific news group and allow for all mail and news posting to    be cross posted.  +-----------+ | RATIONALE | +-----------+  comp.sys.sgi receives approximately 50-70 messages per day. It is difficult to follow this group even with the use of a kill file. This split will break the discussion into specific categories.  +---------------+ | VOTING METHOD | +---------------+  Send votes to the mailbox "[email protected]".  Each vote must use this form:  ======== START VOTING FORM ========= admin          	yes/no/abstain announce        yes/no/abstain apps        	yes/no/abstain bugs            yes/no/abstain graphics        yes/no/abstain hardware        yes/no/abstain misc   		yes/no/abstain ======== END VOTING FORM =========  A valid vote must include a "yes", "no" or "abstain" for EACH proposed change.  Each proposed newsgroup creation renaming will stand on its own thus allowing a split of the comp.sys.sgi group, even if a specific proposed subgroup is unpopular.  +----------+ | SCHEDULE | +----------+    1. Discussion:       The discussion with the last RFD began September 24, 1992 with its posting      in news.announce.newgroups. The discussion ended on November 2, 1992.    2. Voting:       The vote will run through December 2, 1992.       I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of      unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the      vote is over, I will post the final results.   3.  Waiting Period:       I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the      time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.      During this time, people may report lost votes.   4.  Consummation:       After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages for the      creation of any new groups will be issued.  If all goes as planned, whatever parts of the reorganization that pass will take effect by December 15, 1992. --  Matt Wicks Group Leader, UNIX System Support Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory [email protected]             708-840-8083   From [email protected] Fri Nov 20 10:18:30 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.sgi reorganization Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:50:03 -0500 Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Lines: 293 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2975 news.groups:61395 comp.sys.sgi:29905  This article is the 2nd CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. It is followed by an acknowledgemenf of votes received (taken >from the From: line from the vote received).  Currently there is a single comp.sys.sgi that receives 50-70 messages a day. This split will break the group into subject areas to allow people to follow the areas that are of interest to them. The decisions on which subgroups are being proposed are the result of 3 RFD's that have occured over the past 4 months are so.  This proposal also details how the info-iris mailing list will be handled in light of the split of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. The details of how this will be handled is based on what the info-iris mailing list administrator is willing to provide. There is no vote on how the info-iris mailing list is handled. These changes will take effect, assuming the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy is split into several groups.  PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.  +----------+ | PROPOSAL | +----------+  Create comp.sys.sgi.   admin         Discussions of system administration issues. This would                 include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.   announce      general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp                 archives, etc)   apps          Discussions of various application packages , both those                 provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.   bugs          Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.   graphics      Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,                 Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific                 to using a SGI machine.   hardware      Discussion of hardware issues including connection of                 perhipherals.   misc          Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.  All of the groups except .announce will be unmoderated. It is convention that a .announce group is moderated. I will serve as the moderator for the group (Matt Wicks, [email protected]).  The following explains how the info-iris mailing list will be handled, assuming that the CFV results in a split of the comp.sys.sgi group:   - There will remain one mailing list called [email protected] All of the    new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of    info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each    separate news group. The address for [email protected] will be    maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the    mailing list.  - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group    (i.e. [email protected], [email protected], etc.). Mail    sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group    as well as to the info-iris mailing list. When mail is sent to one    of these addresses, the Reply-To: field will be set accordinly to make    replying easier. For example, mail sent to [email protected] will    have [email protected] in the Reply-To: field.  - Mail sent to the address [email protected] will be rejected and a    message will be returned to the sender informing them of the availability    of the individual info-iris-subject addresses. This will force people to    post to a specific news group and allow for all mail and news posting to    be cross posted.  +-----------+ | RATIONALE | +-----------+  comp.sys.sgi receives approximately 50-70 messages per day. It is difficult to follow this group even with the use of a kill file. This split will break the discussion into specific categories.  +---------------+ | VOTING METHOD | +---------------+  Send votes to the mailbox "[email protected]".  Each vote must use this form:  ======== START VOTING FORM ========= admin          	yes/no/abstain announce        yes/no/abstain apps        	yes/no/abstain bugs            yes/no/abstain graphics        yes/no/abstain hardware        yes/no/abstain misc   		yes/no/abstain ======== END VOTING FORM =========  A valid vote must include a "yes", "no" or "abstain" for EACH proposed change.  Each proposed newsgroup creation renaming will stand on its own thus allowing a split of the comp.sys.sgi group, even if a specific proposed subgroup is unpopular.  +----------+ | SCHEDULE | +----------+    1. Discussion:       The discussion with the last RFD began September 24, 1992 with its posting      in news.announce.newgroups. The discussion ended on November 2, 1992.    2. Voting:       The vote will run through December 2, 1992.       I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of      unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the      vote is over, I will post the final results.   3.  Waiting Period:       I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the      time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.      During this time, people may report lost votes.   4.  Consummation:       After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages for the      creation of any new groups will be issued.  If all goes as planned, whatever parts of the reorganization that pass will take effect by December 15, 1992.  ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF VOTES RECEIVED SO FAR:  [email protected] (Brian McClendon) [email protected] (David Stewart) [email protected] [email protected] (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.) [email protected] (Bernd Leibing) Craig Steinberger <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lisa Balbes) bwallet%[email protected] (Brad Wallet) [email protected] (Christopher Fouts) ean-Francois Panisset  <[email protected]> Michel Besner <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (John R. Vanderpool) [email protected] (Andreas Wierse) [email protected] (Mike Yang) [email protected] (dale chayes) Mike Weisenborn <[email protected]> [email protected] (Marc Andreessen) Steve Rikli <[email protected]> "Jim Callahan" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wizard of OZ) [email protected] (Steve Van Gorder) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] (Aaron Schuman) [email protected] (Steve Stinedurf) [email protected] (David A. Southard) Mike Hoffmann <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bill Bogstad) [email protected] (Holly Rushmeier) [email protected] (Mark Atwood) B.J.  04-Nov-1992 1157 <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jason Heirtzler) [email protected] (Trevor Paquette) Allen Akin <[email protected]> David Bremner <[email protected]> Mark K Greene  [email protected] (Daniel X Pape) [email protected] (Randy Carpenter) [email protected] (Jeff Hanson) Ed Trumbull <[email protected]> [email protected] (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS) "John D. McCalpin" <[email protected]> [email protected] (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.) [email protected] (HAO Computer System Managment Group) George Lindholm <[email protected]> [email protected] (Emmett A. Cunningham) [email protected] (Curt Hjorring) [email protected] (Bill Johnson) [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Doctor Math <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Amy K. 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Creon Levit) [email protected] (Allan Schaffer) [email protected] Chris Esposito <[email protected]> [email protected] (Robert Keller) Tom Fitzgerald    <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Hoffmann) [email protected] (Andras Salamon) [email protected] (Bernd Melchers) [email protected] (Simon Leinen) linac.fnal.gov!tellab5!uunet!druid!pseudo!mjn [email protected] (Mike Zeitlin) [email protected] (Peter Santangeli) Dave Kinchlea <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gregory G. Woodbury) [email protected] (Russell Fulton) [email protected] Marc Moorcroft <[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected] (Craig Marby) [email protected] (Marc Desrochers) [email protected] [email protected] (Ingo Muegge) "Andrew C. Aitchison" <[email protected]> Ray Schnitzler <[email protected]> Mark Bartelt <[email protected]> [email protected]  (Brad Gianulis) [email protected] Joe Keane  Michael Quinn <[email protected]> Klaus Rennecke <[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark Rambacher) [email protected] (C. Harald Koch) Lothar Butsch <[email protected]> [email protected] (Super-User) Charles Shub <[email protected]> Sven M. Heinicke"  [email protected] (Fredo Sartori) [email protected] (Daniel Phaneuf) [email protected] (Rick McLeod) Claude Cantin <[email protected]> [email protected] (Bill Carson) [email protected] (Joseph R. Spann) Daniel R Adams <[email protected]> [email protected] (Pete Carah) [email protected] (Dan Wallach) camme.ac.be!sunc!cammejpm (J.-P. Malisse CAMME project) [email protected] (Brian Murray) [email protected] (Joe Brust) Wayne Podaima <[email protected]> --  Matt Wicks Group Leader, UNIX System Support Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory [email protected] 708-840-8083  From [email protected] Fri Dec  4 16:15:57 1992 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.sgi Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.sgi reorganization passes Followup-To: news.groups Date: 4 Dec 1992 15:49:27 -0500 Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Lines: 252 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3023 news.groups:62432 comp.sys.sgi:30638  All of the proposed groups for the split of comp.sys.sgi have passed. The following information shows the results of each vote following by the actual votes received. You have 5 days to correct any mistakes in the votes as presented. Assuming there are no changes in the results of the vote control messages to form the new group will be issued December 10, 1993. The changes to the [email protected] mailing list that corresponds to the comp.sys.sgi newsgroup should also go into effect at about the same time.  The moderator of c.s.s.announce will be Matthew Wicks ([email protected]).  comp.sys.sgi.admin:    YES: 185, NO: 27, ABSTAIN: 1 (unmoderated) comp.sys.sgi.announce: YES: 181, NO: 29, ABSTAIN: 3 (moderated) comp.sys.sgi.apps:     YES: 179, NO: 30, ABSTAIN: 4 (unmoderated) comp.sys.sgi.bugs:     YES: 160, NO: 46, ABSTAIN: 7 (unmoderated) comp.sys.sgi.graphics: YES: 177, NO: 33, ABSTAIN: 3 (unmoderated) comp.sys.sgi.hardware: YES: 180, NO: 28, ABSTAIN: 5 (unmoderated) comp.sys.sgi.misc:     YES: 172, NO: 38, ABSTAIN: 3 (unmoderated)  For a proposal to pass, it must receive >= 100 YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of the total votes must be YES votes. All groups passed both requirements.  Key: Y = yes; N = no; A = abstain  ___________________ vote for c.s.s.admin |__________________ vote for c.s.s.announce ||_________________ vote for c.s.s.apps |||________________ vote for c.s.s.bugs ||||_______________ vote for c.s.s.graphics |||||______________ vote for c.s.s.hardware ||||||_____________ vote for c.s.s.misc ||||||| YYYYYYY [email protected] (Brian McClendon) YYYYYYY [email protected] (David Stewart) YYYYYYY [email protected] YYYYYYY [email protected] (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.) YYYYYYY [email protected] (Bernd Leibing) NNNNNNN Craig Steinberger <[email protected]> YYYYYYY [email protected] (Lisa Balbes) YYYYYYY bwallet%[email protected] (Brad Wallet) YYYYYYY [email protected] (Christopher Fouts) YYYYYYY ean-Francois Panisset  <[email protected]> YNNYNYN Michel Besner <[email protected]> YYYAYAY [email protected] NNNNNNN [email protected] NNNNNNN [email protected] (John R. Vanderpool) YYYAYYY [email protected] (Andreas Wierse) NNNNNNN [email protected] (Mike Yang) YYYYYYY [email protected] (dale chayes) YYYNYNY Mike Weisenborn <[email protected]> YYYYYYY [email protected] (Marc Andreessen) YYYYAYY Steve Rikli <[email protected]> YYNYYYN "Jim Callahan" <[email protected]> YYYYYYY [email protected]esd.sgi.com (Wizard of OZ) YYYYYYY [email protected] (Steve Van Gorder) YYYNNYN [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) YYYNYYN [email protected] (Aaron Schuman) YYYYYYY [email protected] (Steve Stinedurf) YYYYYYY [email protected] (David A. 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