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From [email protected] Tue Nov 29 13:39:44 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Evan Leibovitch) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.sys.novell Subject: RFD: comp.unix.unixware reorganization Followup-To: news.groups Date: 29 Nov 1994 13:24:29 -0500 Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 111 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6003 news.groups:124989 comp.unix.unixware:16590 comp.unix.sys5.r4:9961 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:8535 comp.sys.novell:68464  	      ***** OFFICIAL REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) ***** 			PLEASE READ COMPLETELY   PROPOSAL 1:		RENAME comp.unix.unixware to comp.unix.unixware.misc                         (maintain status as unmoderated)  PROPOSAL 2:		CREATE comp.unix.unixware.announce (moderated)  PROPOSER:		Evan Leibovitch ([email protected])  CROSS-POSTED:		news.announce.newsgroups 			news.groups 			comp.unix.unixware 			comp.unix.sys5.r4 			comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit 			comp.sys.novell   BACKGROUND:  Traffic in the existing comp.unix.unixware newsgroup has grown to the point where splitting it into multiple groups has been proposed and endorsed by those readers of the group who participated in a straw poll. Consensus followed that the first 'split' allow a new group to be created in which 'announcements' from users or vendors could be posted, free of side-discussions, in the manner of numerous "announce" newsgroups already existing in the comp.* namespace.   RATIONALE/CHARTER FOR comp.unix.unixware.announce:  To provide a low-noise forum for official announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions, official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek, are also welcome.  Creation of this group would make the existing UnixWare mailing list gateway easier to manage; it would make useful announcements easier to archive and/or allow different Usenet expiry times vis. the existing group.   RATIONALE FOR MODERATION OF comp.unix.unixware.announce:  It is intended that this group will be restricted to one-time-only announcements, without discussion. The moderation would merely enforce this simple policy, without being judgemental regarding content or source.  All articles posted to this group would include a header re-directing followup discussions of any kind to comp.unix.unixware. Articles will be encouraged to contain an "Archive-Name" header for the benefit of sites with automatic archiving software.  The proposed moderator is myself; Evan Leibovitch, creator of the original Univel mailing list and later the newsgroups biz,univel.misc comp.unix.unixware.  Why? Nobody else has come forward during initial discussions. I believe as a UnixWare VAR I ride a reasonable middle ground between Novell and end users, as to be not overly siding with one side or another. Indeed, it seems from this viewpoint that most of the traffic in the newsgroups so far has not been adversarial. I do not consider the moderation of this group to be at all controversial.   RATIONALE FOR RENAMING comp.unix.unixware TO comp.unix.unixware.misc:  While the original idea was simply to create a moderated .announce group, David Lawrence has suggested that it is preferable to rename the current group at the same time, thus maintaining a consistent namespace. This will make it easier to create further groups under a comp.unix.unixware.* hierarchy in the future should the need arise. It will also reduce cross-posting and simplify news-system administration.   PROCEDURE:  Discussion will take for 30 days from the date of this posting in news.groups. All discussion - both for and against - will take place in news.groups.  At the end of this time a call for votes (CFV) will be announced and voting procedures by a neutral third party described. The two issues, the renaming of comp.unix.unixware to comp.unix.unixware.misc and the creation of comp.unix.unixware.announce, will be voted on separately but described together in a single CFV posting.  What is the Process of Creating a Newsgroup? -------------------------------------------  ---->(a) RFD: Discussion, i.e., public hearing to take place  	 in the newsgroup news.groups for approximately 30 days)       (b) CFV: Call for votes (the voting period will be about 25 days)      (c) Counting of votes and public display of votes      (d) Announcement of new newsgroup  (a)-->(b)  assumes  no major disagreements about this newsgroup during discussion. (c)-->(d) assumes that the vote is favourable., i.e.,  		    Y > N+100 .and. Y > (2/3)(Y+N)  Y  being  the  number of YES votes, N being the number of NO votes for the creation of the proposed newsgroup.  Thank you.  From [email protected] Tue Mar 28 19:47:11 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.misc,biz.sco.general Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.unixware.* Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Mar 1995 19:29:11 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 120 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 13 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6524 news.groups:141876 comp.unix.unixware:24219 comp.sys.novell:85413 comp.unix.sys5.r4:11150 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2856 comp.unix.misc:19515 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9595 comp.unix.sys5.misc:810 biz.sco.general:33583                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)               unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware.misc              moderated group comp.unix.unixware.announce  Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.unixware.misc	Products of Novell's Unix Systems Group. comp.unix.unixware.announce	Announcements related to UnixWare. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Evan Leibovitch <[email protected]>.  BACKGROUND:  Traffic in the existing comp.unix.unixware newsgroup has grown to the point where splitting it into multiple groups has been proposed and endorsed by those readers of the group who participated in a straw poll. Consensus followed that the first 'split' allow a new group to be created in which 'announcements' from users or vendors could be posted, free of side-discussions, in the manner of numerous "announce" newsgroups already existing in the comp.* namespace.  CHARTERS and RATIONALES  CHARTER FOR comp.unix.unixware.announce:  This group is intended To provide a low-noise forum for official announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions, official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek, are also welcome.  Creation of this group would make the existing UnixWare mailing list gateway easier to manage; it would make useful announcements easier to archive and/or allow different Usenet expiry times vis. the existing group.   RATIONALE FOR MODERATION OF comp.unix.unixware.announce:  It is intended that this group will be restricted to one-time-only announcements, without discussion. The moderation would merely enforce this simple policy, without being judgemental regarding content or source.  All articles posted to this group would include a header re-directing followup discussions of any kind to comp.unix.unixware.misc. Articles will be encouraged to contain an "Archive-Name" header for the benefit of sites with automatic archiving software.  The proposed moderator is myself; Evan Leibovitch, creator of the original Univel mailing list and later the newsgroups biz.univel.misc and comp.unix.unixware.  Why? Nobody else has come forward during initial discussions. I believe as a UnixWare VAR I ride a reasonable middle ground between Novell and end users, as to be not overly siding with one side or another. Indeed, it seems from this viewpoint that most of the traffic in the newsgroups so far has not been adversarial. I do not consider the moderation of this group to be at all controversial.   CHARTER OF comp.unix.unixware.misc:  This will be almost identical to the original charter of the group comp.unix.unixware, which itself is derived from biz.univel.misc.  This is a general-purpose forum for discussion about products of Novell's Unix Systems Group, primarily its implementation of Unix for PC-architecture systems sold under the name UnixWare. Product announcements and advertisements are now discouraged; postings of this kind should use the new group comp.unix.unixware.announce.   RATIONALE FOR RENAMING comp.unix.unixware TO comp.unix.unixware.misc:  While the original idea was simply to create a moderated .announce group, David Lawrence has suggested that it is preferable to rename the current group at the same time, thus maintaining a consistent namespace. This will make it easier to create further groups under a comp.unix.unixware.* hierarchy in the future should the need arise. It will also reduce cross-posting and simplify news-system administration.  As comp.unix.unixware was gatewayed to the 'univel' mailing list, the comp.unix.unixware.misc will be, also once renamed.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.  -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.unix.unixware Ballot     (Don't remove this marker)  Please give your real name here:  [Your Vote]  Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  comp.unix.unixware.misc (replaces comp.unix.unixware) [         ]  comp.unix.unixware.announce -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  comp.unix.unixware reorganization Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @ig1.att.att.com:[email protected]                                 Bill Williams [email protected]                                           Stephen M. Dunn  From [email protected] Fri Apr 14 17:44:26 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.misc,biz.sco.general Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.unixware.* passes Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Apr 1995 17:23:07 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 242 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6627 news.groups:144783 comp.unix.unixware:25604 comp.sys.novell:87430 comp.unix.sys5.r4:11334 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2881 comp.unix.misc:19732 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9762 comp.unix.sys5.misc:825 biz.sco.general:34426                                  RESULT      comp.unix.unixware reorganization results - 185 valid votes   Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  156   21 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.unixware.misc (replaces comp.unix.unixware)  156   23 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.unixware.announce    2 invalid votes  Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.unixware.misc	Products of Novell's Unix Systems Group. comp.unix.unixware.announce	Announcements related to UnixWare. (Moderated)  Voting closed 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Evan Leibovitch <[email protected]>.  CHARTERS  comp.unix.unixware.announce:  This group is intended To provide a low-noise forum for official announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions, official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek, are also welcome.  comp.unix.unixware.misc:  This will be almost identical to the original charter of the group comp.unix.unixware, which itself is derived from biz.univel.misc.  This is a general-purpose forum for discussion about products of Novell's Unix Systems Group, primarily its implementation of Unix for PC-architecture systems sold under the name UnixWare. Product announcements and advertisements are now discouraged; postings of this kind should use the new group comp.unix.unixware.announce.  comp.unix.unixware reorganization Final Vote Ack                                                comp.unix.unixware.announce ----+                    comp.unix.unixware.misc (replaces comp.unix.unixware) ---+|                                                                             || @ig1.att.att.com:[email protected]                              Bill Williams NN [email protected]                                      Mike Nielsen YY [email protected]                                        Larry Abbott YY [email protected]                                        Stephen Agee Y- [email protected]                                     Ajmer Singh YY [email protected]                                   Alexandr Alesinsky YY [email protected]                           Alan Strassberg YY [email protected]                                          Andrei B. Ioudine YY [email protected]                                      Ken Arromdee N- [email protected]                                   Arthur Marsh YY [email protected]                                                 Jim Ault YY [email protected]                                             Adrian Wontroba YY [email protected]                                             Barrey Jewall YY [email protected]                                                   Bela Lubkin YY [email protected]                                 W. J. (Bill) Vermillion YY [email protected]                                                       B.J. YY [email protected]                                           Bob Stockler YY [email protected]                                 Martin H. Booda NN [email protected]                                      Brian J. Murrell YY [email protected]                                       Bruce Taylor YY [email protected]                                                    Bob Smith NN [email protected]                                                   Simon Casady YY [email protected]                                 Chris Silva YY [email protected]                                     Chip Rosenthal YY [email protected]                                        Leonard Cho YY [email protected]                              Christopher Sawtell YY [email protected]                                  Christopher Samuel YY [email protected]                                     Chris Bare YY [email protected]                                            Cindy Englander YY [email protected]                                      Chris Stamper -Y [email protected]                                                  Ola Aagren YY [email protected]                                     Craig Orsinger YY [email protected]                                  K. CROUCH -- [email protected]                                            Christopher Ward NN [email protected]                                                  Dan Busarow YY [email protected]                                                 Dan Lorusso YY [email protected]                                               David Mason YY [email protected]                                                 David Gray YY [email protected]                                       bill davidsen YY [email protected]                                                  NN [email protected]                                           Carlton Doe YY [email protected]                                                 Douglas Clinton YY [email protected]                                              David G King YY [email protected]                                           Dave Parker YY [email protected]                                  Doug McCarthy ~ YY [email protected]                                        David Mosher NY [email protected]                                     Dana W. 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MacWilliamson NN [email protected]                                      John Moyer NN [email protected]                                         Kevin Brannen YY [email protected]                                                Kirk Olsen YY [email protected]                                       Kevin MacRae YY [email protected]                             Joao Carlos Neves Cabral YY [email protected]                                                 Larry Philps YY [email protected]                                    Andrew Laurence, CNE YY [email protected]                                                   D. Lee Penn YY [email protected]                                      Lee Choquette YY [email protected]                                          Larry Feigen YY [email protected]                                        Larry Rosenman YY [email protected]                               Martin Schr"oder YY [email protected]                                            Lynda Feng YY [email protected]                            Martin von Loewis YY [email protected]                                        Marc Moorcroft NN [email protected]                                    Mark Alexander YY [email protected]                                         Mr. Masrudyn Main YY [email protected]                                               Matt Gourley YY [email protected]                        Matthew Costello YY [email protected]                                                  Max Heffler YY [email protected]                                       Malcolm Mladenovic YY [email protected]                                                Michael Grubb YY [email protected]                                 Michael D. 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Edel NN [email protected]                                       Nick Ingegneri NN [email protected]                                           nancy mintz YY [email protected]                 Nikolaos Makrymanolakis YY [email protected]                      M. "gave my real name here" Otto -- [email protected]                                        Patrick J. LoPresti NN [email protected]                                    Paul F. Wells YY [email protected]                  Peter Connolly ([email protected]) YY [email protected]                                                        phil reed YY [email protected]                                      Philip J. Decker YY [email protected]                                 Charles M. Castevens YY [email protected]                                         Peter Wemm YY [email protected]                                     Pierre Uszynski YN [email protected]                               Philip J. Tait YY [email protected]                                        Pirawat Watanapongse YY [email protected]                                             Bob Kusumoto YY [email protected]                                      Russell Alphey YY [email protected]                                             Richard Miller YY [email protected]                                           Bob Butera YY [email protected]                                            Rob Cooper YY [email protected]                                    Robert Macfarlane YY [email protected]                                          Ollivier Robert YY [email protected]                                   Roger Schwentker YY [email protected]                                           Roger Brubaker YY [email protected]                                      Roger B.A. Klorese YY [email protected]                                                  Charlene YY [email protected]                                                    Kent Rutan YY [email protected]                                                  Bob Mitze YY [email protected]l.cis.philips.com                   ing. Iskandarani S. YY [email protected]                                      Scott Advani YY [email protected]                                             Steve Fuller YY [email protected]                                              Serge Koloboff YY [email protected]                                                    Tim Snyder Y- [email protected]                                               Dwight Brown NN [email protected]                                        Stephen M. Dunn YY [email protected]                                        Steve Kohlenberger YY [email protected]                                                     Steve Ward YY [email protected]                                        Stanley Toney YY [email protected]                   Martin Wollschlaeger YY [email protected]                                           Stephen W. Thomas YY [email protected]                                     Christina Craft YN [email protected]                                  Terry Billany YY [email protected]                                         Thomas G. McWilliams NN [email protected]                                             Tom Hughes YY [email protected]                                             Jeff Thorson YY [email protected]                                              Timothy S Graham YY [email protected]                                                   Tim Wake YY [email protected]                                                     Thanh Ma YY [email protected]                                    Tom Rudnick YY [email protected]                                                  Tom Cross YY [email protected]                                                 Tony Camas -Y [email protected]                                     Jeff Spindler NN [email protected]                                           Van de Paar YY [email protected]                                Alan Rooks YY [email protected]                                            Vince Callaway YY [email protected]                                   Christoph Weber-Fahr YY [email protected]                                              Greg Wright NN [email protected]                                        Billy Harris -N [email protected]                                                Jeffrey M. Odom YN   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                      Robert Chalmers    ! No vote statement in message [email protected]                                                 Marco Marcinno'    ! Invalid address  
 
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