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From [email protected] Tue Feb 18 00:37:27 1992 Flags: 000000000201 From: [email protected] (Dave Armbrust) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,comp.unix.xenix,comp.unix.i386 Subject: New group comp.unix.sco Keywords: sco_unix_xenix_newgroups, posted Date: 22 Mar 90 19:15:20 GMT Followup-To: news.groups Organization: PC Software Systems Corp.   This is a call for discussion regarding the creation of a new group called comp.unix.sco.  This group would be intended for postings regarding all products >From Santa Cruz Operations;  Including but not limited to SCO Xenix, SCO Unix, Xsight, (ODT) Open Desk Top, Lyrix, VP/ix, SCO Professional, etc.  Most posting for SCO are currently being posted under unix.comp.xenix.  This group is for posting regarding all Xenix systems not just SCO.  SCO is currently shipping SCO Unix which is no longer called Xenix.  There is currently a group called comp.unix.i386.  This group is for posting regarding unix on Intel 386 based computers.  SCO does run on 386 computers but not exclusively 386 machines.  For these reasons there is confusion to where posting regarding SCO products should be posted.  It is my suggestion that a new group called comp.unix.sco be created rather then renaming the group comp.unix.xenix. --------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Armbrust               |     uunet!pcssc!dma PC Software Systems         |     Phone: (813)365-1162 2121 Cornell Street         | Sarasota, FL 34237          |         From [email protected] Thu Sep 15 23:23:38 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: "Aris Stathakis" <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.xenix.sco Subject: RFD: comp.unix.sco Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Sep 1994 23:15:58 -0400 Organization: mpd.co.za Lines: 67 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5637 news.groups:116236 biz.sco.general:24316 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2396 comp.unix.xenix.sco:11358  ------------------------------------------------------------------------                    2nd REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)                            comp.unix.sco ------------------------------------------------------------------------  Group Name:     comp.unix.sco Status:         Unmoderated Summary:        Discussion of all aspects of SCO products including                 SCO UNIX and SCO OpenDesktop.                  Distribution:   World  Proposed Newsgroup line:  comp.unix.sco        Discussion of all Santa Cruz Operation products.                                  CHARTER                                 -------  SCO UNIX has a very large user-base possibly has the largest Intel-based  UNIX user-base in the world.  This newsgroup would be used to discuss all  SCO products, including the Operating System, Networking Utilities, and  all other SCO products.      RATIONALE ---------  There are biz.sco groups, but these are not widely distributed and are (theoretically) reserved for commercial announcements.  There is also a comp.unix.xenix.sco group, but this focuses on the older Xenix product which doesn't resemble SCO UNIX very much any more.  This newsgroup should be created in the same spirit as comp.unix.unixware and  comp.unix.solaris where users and fans of SCO products and hang out and  discuss various problems, new features, and new products.  I would also hope that various SCO engineers would volunteer their time to help, as would various SCO users all over the world.  It has been suggested that comp.unix.xenix.sco remain in place for discussion of Xenix products, and comp.unix.sco be for UNIX related products.   If after 6 months to 1 year of activity it is found that a heirarchy under comp.unix.sco groups is needed, then a new CFV should be done.   This RFD is being submitted to news.announce.newgroups (via e-mail) in  compliance with the usual guidelines.  It is also being posted to  the following groups:  biz.sco.general comp.unix.sys5.r3 comp.unix.xenix.sco   This RFD will last for 21 to 30 days.  Assuming that there are no objections, there will then be a call for votes (CFV) that will last 21  days.  As usual creation of the newsgroup requires 100 more yes votes  than no votes and also two yes votes for every no vote.  --  Aris Stathakis            Tel: +27 11 887 1040       Snail Mail:   SCO ACE / Novell CNE      Fax: +27 11 887 5158       P.O. Box 781228 M&PD (Pty) Ltd.           Fax: +27 11 786 6647       Sandton, 2146 E-Mail: [email protected]    Cell:+27 83 601 0206       R.S.A.   From [email protected] Tue Dec 13 12:17:45 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ed Hew) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.sco.general,biz.sco.opendesktop,biz.sco.magazine,biz.sco.vtcl,comp.unix.xenix.sco Subject: RFD: comp.unix.sco.{announce,misc,programmer) Followup-To: news.groups Date: 13 Dec 1994 10:53:06 -0500 Organization: XeniTec Consulting Services, Kitchener ON, Canada Lines: 233 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6058 news.groups:126765 biz.sco.general:28128 biz.sco.opendesktop:5680 biz.sco.magazine:238 biz.sco.vtcl:54 comp.unix.xenix.sco:12141          Request For Discussion:  comp.unix.sco.* newsgroups  Two RFDs were recently issued for a single new newsgroup, comp.unix.sco, lacking acknowledgment or consideration of the long-existing and highly respected biz.sco.* newsgroup hierarchy.  Sufficient dissent resulted, both publicly and privately, to warrant taking the discussion "offline". The considered consensus of the participants in resulting offline discussions is that a migration to the "comp" hierarchy is inevitable, and that such a migration must be done in a rational and reasonable manner taking all existing SCO-related newsgroups into account.  As the resulting new proposal is significantly different from the original, we are presenting it here for further public discussion before calling for a vote.  If substantial agreement is posted regarding this RFD, the CFV will be issued in 28 days, on Tue Jan 10, 1995.  The extra time allotted for discussion compensates for the Christmas holiday period.  The essence of the new proposal is to move and restructure the existing biz.sco.* newsgroups into a comp.unix.sco hierarchy.  A successful CFV will result in removal of the existing biz.sco.* hierarchy in accordance with the biz.* newsgroup creation/removal guidelines, as outlined below.  The canonical descriptions of the existing biz.sco.* newsgroups are:   biz.sco.announce       SCO and related product announcements. (Moderated)  biz.sco.binaries       Binary packages for SCO Xenix, UNIX, or ODT. (Moderated)  biz.sco.general        Q&A, discussions and comments on SCO products.  biz.sco.magazine       To discuss SCO Magazine and its contents.  biz.sco.opendesktop    ODT environment and applications tech info, q&a.  biz.sco.sources        Source code ported to an SCO operating environment. (Moderated)  biz.sco.vtcl           Questions, answers and discussion of SCO Visual Tcl  The proposal is to create the following newsgroups:    comp.unix.sco.misc (rename/merge from biz.sco.{general,opendesktop,magazine})   comp.unix.sco.programmer (rename/rescope from biz.sco.vtcl)   comp.unix.sco.announce [moderated] (rename from biz.sco.announce)  The biz.sco.binaries and biz.sco.sources newsgroups are now redundant given the proliferation of well-connected public archive sites.  They would *not* be migrated to the new hierarchy.  As suggested by the proponents of the first two recent RFDs, the primary general rationales for the migration are:    Although frequently posted FAQs illustrate the location of existing   biz.sco.* newsgroups, it has been repeatedly demonstrated that new   posters often do not know where to find them.  Newcomers expect to find   the SCO newsgroups alongside peer operating systems like Novell Unixware   (comp.unix.unixware), IBM AIX (comp.unix.aix), and Sun Solaris   (comp.unix.solaris).  Neglecting the biz.sco.* sub-hierarchy, they post   to less specific newsgroups (comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, comp.unix.sys5.r3),   or to completely inappropriate newsgroups (comp.unix.xenix.sco,   comp.unix.unixware).    Some posters in relatively weakly connected corners of the globe (South   Africa, New Zealand, eastern Europe etc.) have continuing difficulty   getting reliable feeds of the biz.sco.* newsgroups because upstream sites   may not carry them.  Sometimes people don't even know the newsgroups exist   because upstream site administrators omit the entire biz.* hierarchy,   despite ongoing efforts to enhance global propagation of the biz.*   hierarchy.  Distribution of the existing SCO newsgroups under the biz   hierarchy is still less than that anticipated within the "comp" hierarchy.  Specific rationale for each proposed change:  comp.unix.sco.misc (rename/merge from biz.sco.{general,opendesktop,magazine})    We expect this to be the main new group, carrying the traffic of the   existing .general, .opendesktop, and .magazine newsgroups.  The standard   name for general newsgroups in the comp.* hierarchy is .misc.    Originally, the "general" newsgroup was intended for SCO UNIX o/s   issues, SCO-compatible applications, and generally related political   commentary.  The "opendesktop" newsgroup was to facilitate discussion   pertinent to the bundles contained in the ODT distribution, specifically   issues of running DOS under UNIX, windowing - including X11 with Motif,   usually on larger, connected servers, and resulting networking issues in   their various supported forms.  The distinction between the general and   opendesktop newsgroups has weakened as the SCO operating environment has   evolved toward supporting larger networked UNIX server installations.   The need for a separate desktop group has waned as advanced discussions   involving networking and server issues have already mostly migrated to   the .general newsgroup.  The .magazine group never generated much traffic;   discussions about SCO-specific magazines can easily be carried within a   general group.  Private discussions mostly suggest that a single newsgroup   for the current combined volume of the existing .general, .opendesktop and   .magazine newsgroups (937 articles in the previous 30 days, as of this   writing), even taking into account anticipated doubling under the comp   hierarchy, should be manageable.  Further splits could be addressed in a   future RFD as increased volume may warrant.  We anticipate additional   public discussion on this issue, as there may be strong feeling that   this should be done initially as a result of this RFD.  comp.unix.sco.programmer (rename/rescope from biz.sco.vtcl)    The .vtcl group has only recently seen any noticeable traffic.   We expect that merging this discussion area with the considerable   traffic about programming issues in general (porting, development system   questions, device driver writing, etc.) will provide an appropriate   developer and programmer specific discussion area.  ".programmer" is   the standard name for such newsgroups under the comp.* hierarchy.  comp.unix.sco.announce [moderated] (rename from biz.sco.announce)    biz.sco.announce is a proven valuable source for SCO, 3rd party vendor,   and public domain software, hardware, and service announcements.   Similar newsgroups currently exist in the comp.* hierarchy, e.g.   comp.sys.sun.announce and comp.os.ms-windows.announce.  Assuming removal   of the rest of the biz.sco hierarchy, it is sensible to move this group.   Perusal of the biz.sco.announce archives indicates that approved postings   are in keeping with accepted "Big-7" standards.  The current moderator   of biz.sco.announce, Ed Hew <[email protected]>, has agreed to   continue in this capacity in an interim role at minimum.    Anyone wanting to verify netiquette compliance is welcome to access   the complete historical biz.sco.announce archives:     URL:  ftp://ftp.xenitec.on.ca/pub/news/scoann  DELETE biz.sco.binaries and biz.sco.sources    These newsgroups have been morbidly quiet for more than a year; we   propose to remove and not replace them.  Many FTP and WWW sites are   now available with suitable material, and SCO provides a CD-ROM with   most of the popular packages in both precompiled and source form.  Mailing Lists:  The various existing biz.sco.* discussion and announcement newsgroups are currently bi-directionally gated to mailing lists for the convenience of those who cannot receive them via USENET news.  The creator and maintainer, Ed Hew of XeniTec, has agreed to restructure these mailing lists to reflect whatever new SCO newsgroup structure emerges.  Several FAQ articles are currently maintained by Ed Hew, Stephen Dunn and Bela Lubkin.  These parties have agreed to revise and move their postings into the new hierarchy as appropriate.  CHARTERS    comp.unix.sco.misc:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO and related third party products and services, not more      specifically covered by one of the other newsgroups, including but      not limited to:         - SCO UNIX operating system,         - networking products (TCP/IP, NFS, LAN Manager, IPX/SPX, DCE, OSI),         - graphical products (X server and clients),         - DOS Merge,         - The Open Desktop and Open Server operating environments which           incorporate most of the above components.         - SCO's older applications, when running on SCO UNIX.         - SCO's support and other policies.         - Third party hardware, software and services.         - SCO environment specific "help wanted" postings.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.programmer:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO development system products and related software and issues,      including but not limited to:        - UNIX and Open Desktop development systems,        - SCO Visual TCL.        - DCE developers toolkit,        - Device Driver Writer's toolkit,        - Public domain, shareware, and third party development tools          of use in SCO operating environments.        - SCO Software Mastering Toolkit        - API questions, compiler behavior, header files, libraries,          binary formats, manifest defines, etc.        - Porting.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.announce: (Moderated)      Product, service, and business announcements of reasonable interest      to the SCO community of developers, distributors, resellers,      consultants, administrators and end-users, submitted by:         - SCO,         - third party software and hardware developers, SCO-specific           service providers, and authors of freely available software.      This explicitly includes SCO supplement information (SLS, TLS, EFS, etc.)      Blatant and/or irrelevant commercial "ads" will continue to be rejected.      Proposed moderator:  Ed Hew <[email protected]> (current moderator                           of biz.sco.announce)    -----        We would like to thank all who have so freely contributed their        time, energy, and input towards crafting this RFD, particularily        those folks at SCO who, when requested by the 'NET at large,        have so often beneficially contributed valuable information to        the existing SCO newsgroups.  Special thanks to Aris Stathakis        <[email protected]> who initiated this entire process.  Request for Discussion, submitted by:  [email protected] (Aris Stathakis) [email protected] (Bela Lubkin) [email protected] (Bill Campbell) [email protected] (Brian J. Murrell) [email protected] (Chip Rosenthal) [email protected] (Bill Davidsen) [email protected] (Dion Johnson) [email protected] (Ed Hew) [email protected] (Geoff Scully) [email protected] (Jeff Liebermann) [email protected] (Jean-Pierre Radley) [email protected] (Michael Deignan) [email protected] (Lee Penn) [email protected] (Paul Fischer) [email protected] (Stuart Lynne) [email protected] (Stephen M. Dunn) [email protected] (Tim Ruckle)  To ensure that all concerned have opportunity to publicly participate and comment, this RFD and the succeeding CFV will be posted to the following newsgroups, and may be reposted to others frequented by potentially interested parties.  news.announce.newsgroups news.groups biz.sco.general biz.sco.opendesktop biz.sco.magazine biz.sco.vtcl comp.unix.xenix.sco  By convention, follow-ups are directed to news.groups.    news.groups  --   Ed. A. Hew,    <[email protected]>    ....!uunet.ca!xenitec!eah   XeniTec Consulting Services, Kitchener ON, Canada +1 519 570 9848   triOS Training Centres Ltd. Mississauga ON Canada +1 905 542-0656   {biz.sco godfather, biz FAQ maintainer, biz newsgroup authority.}  From [email protected] Wed Mar 22 16:19:40 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.sco.general,biz.sco.opendesktop,biz.sco.magazine,biz.sco.vtcl,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.unixware Subject: CFV: comp.unix.sco.* Followup-To: poster Date: 22 Mar 1995 15:47:30 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 119 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 13 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6481 news.groups:140793 biz.sco.general:33302 biz.sco.opendesktop:6257 biz.sco.magazine:271 biz.sco.vtcl:91 comp.unix.misc:19373 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9578 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2841 comp.unix.sys5.r4:11096 comp.unix.sys5.misc:802 comp.unix.xenix.sco:12795 comp.unix.unixware:23831                        FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)           unmoderated groups comp.unix.sco.{misc,programmer} 	  moderated group    comp.unix.sco.announce  Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.sco.misc	SCO Unix, Systems, and Environments. comp.unix.sco.programmer	Programming in and for SCO Environments. comp.unix.sco.announce	SCO and related product announcements. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Ed Hew <[email protected]>.  CHARTERS     comp.unix.sco.misc:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO and related third party products and services, not more      specifically covered by one of the other newsgroups, including but      not limited to:         - SCO UNIX operating system,         - networking products (TCP/IP, NFS, LAN Manager, IPX/SPX, DCE, OSI),         - graphical products (X server and clients),         - DOS Merge,         - The Open Desktop and Open Server operating environments which           incorporate most of the above components.         - SCO's older applications, when running on SCO UNIX.         - SCO's support and other policies.         - Third party hardware, software and services.         - SCO environment specific "help wanted" postings.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.programmer:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO development system products and related software and issues,      including but not limited to:        - UNIX and Open Desktop development systems,        - SCO Visual TCL.        - DCE developers toolkit,        - Device Driver Writer's toolkit/Advanced Hardware Developer Kit        - Public domain, shareware, and third party development tools          of use in SCO operating environments.        - SCO software distribution mastering toolkits        - API questions, compiler behavior, header files, libraries,          binary formats, manifest defines, etc.        - Porting.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.announce: (Moderated by Ed Hew <[email protected]>)      Product, service, and business announcements of reasonable interest      to the SCO community of developers, distributors, resellers,      consultants, administrators and end-users, submitted by:         - SCO,         - third party software and hardware developers, SCO-specific           service providers, and authors of freely available software.      This explicitly includes SCO supplement information (SLS, TLS, EFS, etc.)      Blatant and/or irrelevant commercial "ads" will continue to be rejected.  RATIONALE     The essence of the proposal is to move and restructure the existing    biz.sco.* newsgroups into a comp.unix.sco hierarchy.  A successful CFV    will result in removal of the existing biz.sco.* hierarchy in accordance    with the biz.* newsgroup creation/removal guidelines.   comp.unix.sco.misc (rename/merge from biz.sco.{general,opendesktop,magazine})  comp.unix.sco.programmer (rename/rescope from biz.sco.vtcl)  comp.unix.sco.announce [moderated] (rename from biz.sco.announce)     The obsolete biz.sco binaries and sources newsgroups would not be migrated.     Although frequently posted FAQs illustrate the location of existing    biz.sco.* newsgroups, it has been repeatedly demonstrated that new    posters often do not know where to find them.  Newcomers expect to find    the SCO newsgroups alongside peer operating systems like Novell Unixware    (comp.unix.unixware), IBM AIX (comp.unix.aix), and Sun Solaris    (comp.unix.solaris).  Neglecting the biz.sco.* sub-hierarchy, they post    to less specific newsgroups (comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, comp.unix.sys5.r3),    or to completely inappropriate newsgroups (comp.unix.xenix.sco,    comp.unix.unixware).     Some posters in relatively weakly connected corners of the globe (South    Africa, New Zealand, eastern Europe etc.) have continuing difficulty    getting reliable feeds of the biz.sco.* newsgroups because upstream sites    may not carry them.  Sometimes people don't even know the newsgroups exist    because upstream site administrators omit the entire biz.* hierarchy,    despite ongoing efforts to enhance global propagation of the biz.*    hierarchy.  Distribution of the existing SCO newsgroups under the biz    hierarchy is still less than that anticipated within the "comp" hierarchy.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.   -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.unix.sco.* Ballot     (Don't remove this marker)  Please give your real name here:  [Your Vote]  Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  comp.unix.sco.misc [         ]  comp.unix.sco.programmer [         ]  comp.unix.sco.announce -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  From [email protected] Tue Mar 28 19:46:46 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.sco.general,biz.sco.opendesktop,biz.sco.magazine,biz.sco.vtcl,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.unixware Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.sco.* Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Mar 1995 19:29:02 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 127 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 13 Apr 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6523 news.groups:141875 biz.sco.general:33582 biz.sco.opendesktop:6292 biz.sco.magazine:272 biz.sco.vtcl:96 comp.unix.misc:19514 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9594 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2855 comp.unix.sys5.r4:11149 comp.unix.sys5.misc:809 comp.unix.xenix.sco:12841 comp.unix.unixware:24218                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                moderated group scomp.unix.sco.announce                  unmoderated group comp.unix.sco.misc               unmoderated group comp.unix.sco.programmer  Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.sco.misc	SCO Unix, Systems, and Environments. comp.unix.sco.programmer	Programming in and for SCO Environments. comp.unix.sco.announce	SCO and related product announcements. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Ed Hew <[email protected]>.  CHARTERS     comp.unix.sco.misc:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO and related third party products and services, not more      specifically covered by one of the other newsgroups, including but      not limited to:         - SCO UNIX operating system,         - networking products (TCP/IP, NFS, LAN Manager, IPX/SPX, DCE, OSI),         - graphical products (X server and clients),         - DOS Merge,         - The Open Desktop and Open Server operating environments which           incorporate most of the above components.         - SCO's older applications, when running on SCO UNIX.         - SCO's support and other policies.         - Third party hardware, software and services.         - SCO environment specific "help wanted" postings.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.programmer:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO development system products and related software and issues,      including but not limited to:        - UNIX and Open Desktop development systems,        - SCO Visual TCL.        - DCE developers toolkit,        - Device Driver Writer's toolkit/Advanced Hardware Developer Kit        - Public domain, shareware, and third party development tools          of use in SCO operating environments.        - SCO software distribution mastering toolkits        - API questions, compiler behavior, header files, libraries,          binary formats, manifest defines, etc.        - Porting.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.announce: (Moderated by Ed Hew <[email protected]>)      Product, service, and business announcements of reasonable interest      to the SCO community of developers, distributors, resellers,      consultants, administrators and end-users, submitted by:         - SCO,         - third party software and hardware developers, SCO-specific           service providers, and authors of freely available software.      This explicitly includes SCO supplement information (SLS, TLS, EFS, etc.)      Blatant and/or irrelevant commercial "ads" will continue to be rejected.  RATIONALE     The essence of the proposal is to move and restructure the existing    biz.sco.* newsgroups into a comp.unix.sco hierarchy.  A successful CFV    will result in removal of the existing biz.sco.* hierarchy in accordance    with the biz.* newsgroup creation/removal guidelines.   comp.unix.sco.misc (rename/merge from biz.sco.{general,opendesktop,magazine})  comp.unix.sco.programmer (rename/rescope from biz.sco.vtcl)  comp.unix.sco.announce [moderated] (rename from biz.sco.announce)     The obsolete biz.sco binaries and sources newsgroups would not be migrated.     Although frequently posted FAQs illustrate the location of existing    biz.sco.* newsgroups, it has been repeatedly demonstrated that new    posters often do not know where to find them.  Newcomers expect to find    the SCO newsgroups alongside peer operating systems like Novell Unixware    (comp.unix.unixware), IBM AIX (comp.unix.aix), and Sun Solaris    (comp.unix.solaris).  Neglecting the biz.sco.* sub-hierarchy, they post    to less specific newsgroups (comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, comp.unix.sys5.r3),    or to completely inappropriate newsgroups (comp.unix.xenix.sco,    comp.unix.unixware).     Some posters in relatively weakly connected corners of the globe (South    Africa, New Zealand, eastern Europe etc.) have continuing difficulty    getting reliable feeds of the biz.sco.* newsgroups because upstream sites    may not carry them.  Sometimes people don't even know the newsgroups exist    because upstream site administrators omit the entire biz.* hierarchy,    despite ongoing efforts to enhance global propagation of the biz.*    hierarchy.  Distribution of the existing SCO newsgroups under the biz    hierarchy is still less than that anticipated within the "comp" hierarchy.  HOW TO VOTE  Send MAIL to:   [email protected] Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.   -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- comp.unix.sco.* Ballot     (Don't remove this marker)  Please give your real name here:  [Your Vote]  Group ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [         ]  comp.unix.sco.misc [         ]  comp.unix.sco.programmer [         ]  comp.unix.sco.announce -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  comp.unix.sco.* Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @ig1.att.att.com:[email protected]                              Wallace Williams [email protected]                                        Lawrence Kirby [email protected]                                                  Fulko K. Hew [email protected]                                           Stephen M. Dunn  From [email protected] Fri Apr 14 17:44:18 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Steve Bonine) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,biz.sco.general,biz.sco.opendesktop,biz.sco.magazine,biz.sco.vtcl,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.unixware Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.sco.* passes Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Apr 1995 17:22:31 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 376 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6626 news.groups:144782 biz.sco.general:34425 biz.sco.opendesktop:6419 biz.sco.magazine:280 biz.sco.vtcl:118 comp.unix.misc:19731 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:9761 comp.unix.sys5.r3:2880 comp.unix.sys5.r4:11333 comp.unix.sys5.misc:824 comp.unix.xenix.sco:12981 comp.unix.unixware:25602                                  RESULT               comp.unix.sco.* results - 292 valid votes   Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  262   25 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.sco.misc  259   25 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.sco.programmer  256   29 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.sco.announce    3 invalid votes   Newsgroups lines: comp.unix.sco.misc	SCO Unix, Systems, and Environments. comp.unix.sco.programmer	Programming in and for SCO Environments. comp.unix.sco.announce	SCO and related product announcements. (Moderated)  Voting closed 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group contact Ed Hew <[email protected]>.  CHARTERS     comp.unix.sco.misc:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO and related third party products and services, not more      specifically covered by one of the other newsgroups, including but      not limited to:         - SCO UNIX operating system,         - networking products (TCP/IP, NFS, LAN Manager, IPX/SPX, DCE, OSI),         - graphical products (X server and clients),         - DOS Merge,         - The Open Desktop and Open Server operating environments which           incorporate most of the above components.         - SCO's older applications, when running on SCO UNIX.         - SCO's support and other policies.         - Third party hardware, software and services.         - SCO environment specific "help wanted" postings.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.programmer:      Questions, answers, comments and discussion about past, present and      future SCO development system products and related software and issues,      including but not limited to:        - UNIX and Open Desktop development systems,        - SCO Visual TCL.        - DCE developers toolkit,        - Device Driver Writer's toolkit/Advanced Hardware Developer Kit        - Public domain, shareware, and third party development tools          of use in SCO operating environments.        - SCO software distribution mastering toolkits        - API questions, compiler behavior, header files, libraries,          binary formats, manifest defines, etc.        - Porting.      Commercial advertisements are explicitly forbidden.     comp.unix.sco.announce: (Moderated by Ed Hew <[email protected]>)      Product, service, and business announcements of reasonable interest      to the SCO community of developers, distributors, resellers,      consultants, administrators and end-users, submitted by:         - SCO,         - third party software and hardware developers, SCO-specific           service providers, and authors of freely available software.      This explicitly includes SCO supplement information (SLS, TLS, EFS, etc.)      Blatant and/or irrelevant commercial "ads" will continue to be rejected.  comp.unix.sco.* Final Vote Ack                                                    comp.unix.sco.announce -----+                                                comp.unix.sco.programmer ----+|                                                      comp.unix.sco.misc ---+||                                                                            ||| @ig1.att.att.com:[email protected]                          Wallace Williams NNN [email protected]                                       Aaron W. Brown YYY [email protected]                                               Nam c. 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