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From [email protected] Wed Mar 22 16:16:22 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Greg Lindahl <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,comp.windows.misc,news.groups Subject: RFD: comp.windows.misc moderation Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Mar 1995 15:33:02 -0500 Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia Lines: 45 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6475 comp.windows.misc:11618 news.groups:140783                        FIRST REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION                      MODERATION OF COMP.WINDOWS.MISC  comp.windows.misc is an existing newsgroup devoted to miscellaneous windowing systems and platform-independent graphical user interfaces (PIGUIs).  Subsequent to the formation of this group, Microsoft, Inc. released (and later trademarked the name of) the somewhat popular Microsoft Windows programming environment. This product has its own hierarchy of groups (comp.os.ms-windows.*) for discussion. However, thousands of Usenet readers have seen the newsgroup `comp.windows.misc' and thought that the newsgroup was for miscellaneous Microsoft Windows questions. A similar problem exists for newsgroups such as `comp.windows.news', and `comp.lang.visual', which successfully used moderation to reclaim their topic.  There have been many attempts to solve the problem: mention of comp.windows.misc in the ms-windows FAQs; frequent posting of a reminder that comp.windows.misc is not for Microsoft Windows, and personal follow-up letters sent to all confused posters over a period of 9+ months. None of these methods have reduced the traffic of inappropriate postings, which have drowned out all hopes of discussions about miscellaneous windowing systems and PIGUIs.  This is the first RFD for moderation of comp.windows.misc.  Please reply to this post with your ideas, suggestions, comments, criticism. This RFD will be reposted two weeks from the date of its initial posting incorporating any good suggestions from the followup postings. This discussion shall take place within news.groups; all followups should be sent there.  After two weeks from the second RFD, provided that the response is generally positive, the first of two CFV's (call for votes) will be posted.  Vincent Broman ([email protected]) has volunteered to be the moderator of comp.windows.misc. He proposes a moderation policy of returning posts which are not related to the group's charter to their authors via email. We would like to find backup moderators before the CFV comes out.  Greg Lindahl Miscellaneous Windowing System User since 1985 [ This RFD cribbed from the comp.lang.visual RFD... ]  From [email protected] Mon May  8 18:44:54 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.misc Subject: CFV: comp.windows.misc moderation Followup-To: poster Date: 8 May 1995 12:41:58 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 144 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 30 May 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6773 news.groups:148316 comp.windows.misc:12565                           FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group comp.windows.misc (Moderated)  Newsgroups line: comp.windows.misc	Misc. (non-Microsoft) windowing systems, PIGUIS. (Moderated)  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1995.  DISTRIBUTION  This CFV has been cross-posted to:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.lang.visual, comp.windows.misc,   comp.windows.x.announce   MODERATOR INFORMATION      Group name:          comp.windows.misc (Moderated)     Moderator:           Vincent Broman <[email protected]>     Backup Moderator:    Greg Lindahl   <[email protected]>     Submissions address: <[email protected]>     Request address:     <[email protected]>   This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Greg Lindahl <[email protected]>.   OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  IMPORTANT:  If anyone gave you a pre-completed ballot which did not leave the voting choice up to you, you should modify the vote to reflect your choice of YES, NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot.  If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified.  Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud.  The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups, and the e-mail server at    <[email protected]> The CFV server will return a copy of the CFV to the sender.  Your message may be left empty because any contents will be ignored.   CHARTER  This is the newsgroup charter as submitted by the proponent.      comp.windows.misc        This newsgroup is devoted to discussions of miscellaneous windowing        systems and platform-independent graphical user interfaces (PIGUIs).        The group is moderated in order to encourage Microsoft Windows-related        questions to be posted elsewhere.   RATIONALE  This is the rationale for the proposal as submitted by the proponent.      Comp.windows.misc predates Microsoft Windows, but has been overwhelmed     with Microsoft-related postings, which would be more proper in the     comp.os.ms-windows.* hierarchy.  Comp.lang.visual recently went     moderated for the same reason.   HOW TO VOTE  Erase everything above the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" line and erase everything below the "END OF BALLOT" line.  Do not erase anything between these lines, and do not change the group name.  In other words, remove everything except the ballot.  It will be greatly appreciated by the votetaker if you do NOT forward the entire CFV back to me--this mail is archived.  Give your name on the line that asks for it.  To vote, place a YES in the brackets to vote for it, or place a NO in the brackets to vote against it. If you don't want to vote on the group, place an ABSTAIN in the brackets. If you leave the bracket blank, your vote will be rejected for failure to cast a vote.  Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  Then MAIL the ballot to:  <[email protected]> Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.  Quick voting checklist: 1) Fill in the ballot form below.  Don't forget to include your Real Name. 2) Delete everything but the ballot in your reply to this CFV. 3) Make sure your reply goes to <[email protected]>.  ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ================  Please DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any of the information in this ballot. Provide your name where asked, and insert your vote inside the bracket(s).  comp.windows.misc Moderation Ballot  (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Give your Real Name here (on this line) -->: (If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected.)  [Your Vote]  Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [     YES ]  example.yes.vote [      NO ]  example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention  [         ]  comp.windows.misc (Moderated) ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line =======================   IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES  Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with an automated acknowledgement by e-mail.  If you do not receive one within several days, try again.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  If you later change your mind, you may vote again.  To erase your vote and eliminate your address and vote from the final results listing, vote again using the CANCEL example shown above.  Just be aware that duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker).  Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote.  Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely (this is the only difference between the two).  In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.  From [email protected] Thu May 25 18:43:24 1995 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.windows.misc moderation Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 23 May 1995 15:59:37 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 157 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 30 May 1995 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: gs2.UU.NET news.announce.newgroups:6880 news.groups:150944 comp.windows.misc:12875                           LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)                 moderated group comp.windows.misc (Moderated)  Newsgroups line: comp.windows.misc	Misc. (non-Microsoft) windowing systems, PIGUIS. (Moderated)   Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 May 1995.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact the votetaker, Bill Aten <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group, contact the proponent, Greg Lindahl <[email protected]>.   RATIONALE  This is the rationale for the proposal as submitted by the proponent.      Comp.windows.misc predates Microsoft Windows, but has been overwhelmed     with Microsoft-related postings, which would be more proper in the     comp.os.ms-windows.* hierarchy.  Comp.lang.visual recently went     moderated for the same reason.   CHARTER  This is the newsgroup charter as submitted by the proponent.      comp.windows.misc        This newsgroup is devoted to discussions of miscellaneous windowing        systems and platform-independent graphical user interfaces (PIGUIs).        The group is moderated in order to encourage Microsoft Windows-related        questions to be posted elsewhere.   MODERATOR INFORMATION      Group name:          comp.windows.misc (Moderated)     Moderator:           Vincent Broman <[email protected]>     Backup Moderator:    Greg Lindahl   <[email protected]>     Submissions address: <[email protected]>     Request address:     <[email protected]>   DISTRIBUTION  This CFV has been cross-posted to:   news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.lang.visual, comp.windows.misc,   comp.windows.x.announce   OFFICIAL SOURCES OF THE CFV  IMPORTANT:  If anyone gave you a pre-completed ballot which did not leave the voting choice up to you, you should modify the vote to reflect your choice of YES, NO or ABSTAIN next to the item in the ballot.  If you give anyone copies of the CFV, the copies must be whole and unmodified.  Distributing pre-filled in ballots or modified copies of this CFV is considered voting fraud.  The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the UseNet newsgroups to which it is posted including news.announce.newgroups, and the e-mail server at    <[email protected]> The CFV server will return a copy of the CFV to the sender.  Your message may be left empty because any contents will be ignored.   HOW TO VOTE  Erase everything above the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" line and erase everything below the "END OF BALLOT" line.  Do not erase anything between these lines, and do not change the group name.  In other words, remove everything except the ballot.  It will be greatly appreciated by the votetaker if you do NOT forward the entire CFV back to me--this mail is archived.  Give your name on the line that asks for it.  To vote, place a YES in the brackets to vote for it, or place a NO in the brackets to vote against it. If you don't want to vote on the group, place an ABSTAIN in the brackets. If you leave the bracket blank, your vote will be rejected for failure to cast a vote.  Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts.  Then MAIL the ballot to:  <[email protected]> Just Replying to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.  Quick voting checklist: 1) Fill in the ballot form below.  Don't forget to include your Real Name. 2) Delete everything but the ballot in your reply to this CFV. 3) Make sure your reply goes to <[email protected]>.  ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ================  *** PLEASE ***     DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any of the information in this ballot!  comp.windows.misc Moderation Ballot  (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Examples showing how to indicate your vote (DO NOT vote in this section):  [     YES ]  example.yes.vote [      NO ]  example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ]  example.abstention ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the following section: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Give your Real Name here (on this line) -->: (If you do not give your real name, your vote may be rejected.)  ---------------  Insert your vote inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below:   Your Vote   Group  ---------   ----- [         ]  comp.windows.misc (Moderated) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line =======================   IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES  Anything other than the official ballot may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with an automated acknowledgement by e-mail.  If you do not receive one within several days, try again.  It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.  Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account.  Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.  If you later change your mind, you may vote again.  To erase your vote and eliminate your address and vote from the final results listing, vote again using the CANCEL example shown above.  Just be aware that duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote.  Anonymous votes will not be accepted.  Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes (the vote must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker).  Neither ABSTAIN nor CANCEL messages are counted as votes; they serve only to cancel any previous vote.  Abstentions are noted in the final vote list, whereas CANCEL removes your vote from that list entirely (this is the only difference between the two).  In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator.  There will be a five-day period following the voting period during which the published vote list may be corrected and any irregularities addressed. The requirements for group creation are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and 2/3 of all counted votes must be YES.  When in doubt, ask the votetaker.