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From [email protected] Thu May  6 15:00:45 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: David Ruggiero <[email protected]> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.databases,comp.os.misc,comp.sys.prime,comp.sys.stratus Subject: RFD: comp.databases.pick Followup-To: news.groups Date: 4 May 1993 19:41:41 -0400 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 103 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3541 news.groups:71408 comp.databases:25015 comp.os.misc:3442 comp.sys.prime:3396 comp.sys.stratus:219  This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to create a new USENET group:  GROUP NAME comp.databases.pick  STATUS Unmoderated.  CHARTER comp.databases.pick (unmoderated) will be a newsgroup which will provide a common forum:  (1) To discuss the design, programming, and administration of systems     and applications which use a database model and programming tools     generically known as "Pick", "Pick-like", or "Pick-compatible".     These include, among others:      - "Pure" Pick (a.k.a. the "Pick Operating System"), a standalone       operating system running on a large number of different mini- and       microcomputer platforms under a dizzying array of versions, releases,       and brand names (see Question 2, below);         - "UniVerse" (from Vmark, Inc.), a Pick-style applications environment        running on a multitude of Unix platforms, including Sequent, AT&T,       Sequoia, Encore, IBM RS/6000, HP 9000, Data General, and many others;         - "UniData" (from the Unidata Corporation), a similar environment, also       running on a number of Unix systems;         - "Revelation" and "Advanced Revelation" (from Revelation Technologies),       a Pick-inspired "industrial strength" database for MS-DOS and networked       PC systems;      - "Prime Information", a Pick-compatible system running on Prime Computer       hardware under the PRIMOS operating system.   (2) To share ideas, information, and experience regarding design and     programming of applications within a Pick environment, including     efficient file design and useful Pick programming techniques;  (3) To allow those using Pick-like systems to relate their experiences     with specific software and hardware implementations of Pick and with     the Pick data model in general;  (4) To discuss conferences, trade shows, publications, and courses of     interest to those working with (or considering using) a Pick-like     system;  (5) To discuss new products of interest to the Pick marketplace and users;  (6) To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and general     usage of the Pick data model in the real world; and  (7) To provide Pick users, designers, programmers, and administrators     with Usenet access to have what they have not had before: a common     newsgroup to share their ideas, concerns, experiences, questions,     and knowledge with one another.   RATIONALE Pick is huge, far larger than anyone who doesn't follow it might imagine. Worldwide, there are hundreds of thousands of systems, with millions of individual users, using Pick-like software as their main operating system and/or database manager and/or development environment.  Even considering *only* the number of sites, developers and current end users of its original incarnation (the Pick Operating System), Pick is easily among the most under-represented portable (open) software system of its size on Usenet. The historical and technical reasons for this are complex and interesting to speculate upon, but a great deal can be explained by simple fragmentation: Revelation users chat in comp.databases; Prime Information users post into comp.sys.prime; Stratus Pick users use comp.sys.stratus, and the odd Pick OS article occasionally finds its way into comp.os.misc, to give only a few examples. Many more folk don't post at all, because there isn't any defined group dedicated to their questions, interests, and knowledge.  To be sure, each Pick "flavor" is in some way different from all others, but all are very similar in the manner that they view and store database records, and in the ways that applications can be designed and built to run under them. A common group will foster and focus discussion among all of these previously separate groups of individuals.   SUMMARY In summary, a new news group called _comp.databases.pick_ is proposed. It will focus exclusively on discussions by, for, and of things relating to any facet of database systems which are compatible with (or were inspired by) the set of database concepts generally known as "Pick".  Discussion of the proposed group comp.databases.pick will be held on "news.groups". (Note that the Followup-To: line of this article will direct any responses there automatically.) Copies of this RFD will also be cross-posted to comp.databases, comp.os.misc, comp.sys.prime, and comp.sys.stratus. Readers should feel free to re-post this article to other newsgroups whose readers might find it of interest, as long as the Followup-To: line remains directed to news.groups.  Requests for more information may be directed to me at the address below at any time. --  David Ruggiero ([email protected]) Seattle, WA:Our slugs can beat up your slugs  From [email protected] Fri May 28 16:17:52 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Ruggiero) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.databases,comp.sys.prime,comp.sys.stratus,comp.os.misc Subject: CFV: comp.databases.pick Followup-To: poster Date: 27 May 1993 17:52:10 -0400 Organization: Little or None. Lines: 101 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3628 news.groups:72909 comp.databases:25804 comp.sys.prime:3483 comp.sys.stratus:243 comp.os.misc:3484  CALL FOR VOTES:  comp.databases.pick    Following the standard three-week discussion period during which the   vast majority of the responses were strongly favorable of the proposal,   here is the official Call For Votes on the creation of the new Usenet   group "comp.databases.pick".  STATUS    The group will be unmoderated.   CHARTER    "comp.databases.pick" will be a newsgroup for the discussion of the   creation, administration, and use of the multitude of databases,   operating systems, and applications environments which are generally   known as "Pick-compatible", "Pick-like", "Pick-inspired", or "post-   relational". These include, at the least:     -  The Pick Operating System (aka "Pick R83" and "Advanced Pick")    -  Vmark's  _Universe_ environment    -  Unidata's  _Unidata_    -  Revelation Technologies' _Advanced Revelation_ and "Rev G" products    -  Prime Computer's _Prime Information_ system    -  The PI/Open environment (developed by Prime, now owned by Vmark)    This discussion will include, but not be limited to, programming theory   and practice, database design techniques, efficient construction of   application systems, practical system and database administration,   experiences with and differences between various Pick-type products   and implementations, technical questions and advice, and announcements   of upcoming conferences, trade shows, and new products relevant to the   Pick marketplace.   VOTING PERIOD   From: The appearance of this posting.  To:   17 June 1993 23:59:59 GMT. Votes received after this date will not        be counted.   VOTING RULES   All votes must be mailed to the "[email protected]". Votes which are  posted instead of being mailed will be ignored.   If you vote more than once from the same address, only the most recent  vote received will be counted as valid.   Each person has only one vote, even if they have multiple accounts or  email addresses. Forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. If you vote  more than once from different addresses in an apparent attempt to  circumvent this rule, all your votes may be rejected, and this fact  plus your name noted in the final vote tally.   HOW TO VOTE   Vote by sending mail to [email protected], preferably using the format   below. Votes will be tallied by an automatic program; if it can't  decipher your vote, you will be asked to re-vote.    Your reply MUST contain a line of the form:     "I vote {YES/NO} for the creation of comp.databases.pick."   (The easiest way to vote is to reply to this message using the "r" or  "reply" command of your newsreading software, then delete every line of  this article except the above line, changing the {YES/NO} to your  choice of YES or NO.)   If your system does not permit you to put your real name in the "From:"  or "Reply-To:" fields of your message, you may optionally add a line  in the message body of the exact form:     "My real name is: your_real_name_here"    All votes will be automatically acknowledged by the voting software via  email at some time after being received. Any acknowledgement that  bounces will not be retried. There will also be at least one mass  acknowledgement posted during the voting period. The final vote tally  will be posted at the end of the vote, including a complete list  showing how everyone voted.  VOTE RESULT   At the end of the voting period, there will be a period of five days  from the posting of the result to allow for any errors to be noted and  corrected.   Under the Usenet group creation guidelines, the group will be created  if at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes are received, with at  least 2/3 of the valid votes received in favor of the group. If either  the 100 vote margin and 2/3 majority are not met, the group will not be  created. --  David Ruggiero (votes to [email protected], other mail to [email protected])  (Thanks to Ron Dippold for UseVote 1.2a and much generous advice.)  From [email protected] Fri Jun 11 15:54:48 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Ruggiero) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.databases,comp.sys.prime,comp.sys.stratus,comp.os.misc Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.databases.pick Followup-To: poster Date: 11 Jun 1993 13:57:49 -0400 Organization: Little or None. Lines: 228 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3688 news.groups:73768 comp.databases:26350 comp.sys.prime:3526 comp.sys.stratus:251 comp.os.misc:3494  2nd CALL FOR VOTES:  comp.databases.pick    Following the standard three-week discussion period during which the   vast majority of the responses were strongly favorable of the proposal,   here is the official 2nd Call For Votes on the creation of the new Usenet   group "comp.databases.pick".  STATUS    The group will be unmoderated.   CHARTER    "comp.databases.pick" will be a newsgroup for the discussion of the   creation, administration, and use of the multitude of databases,   operating systems, and applications environments which are generally   known as "Pick-compatible", "Pick-like", "Pick-inspired", or "post-   relational". These include, at the least:     -  The Pick Operating System (aka "Pick R83" and "Advanced Pick")    -  Vmark's  _Universe_ environment    -  Unidata's  _Unidata_    -  Revelation Technologies' _Advanced Revelation_ and "Rev G" products    -  Prime Computer's _Prime Information_ system    -  The PI/Open environment (developed by Prime, now owned by Vmark)    This discussion will include, but not be limited to, programming theory   and practice, database design techniques, efficient construction of   application systems, practical system and database administration,   experiences with and differences between various Pick-type products   and implementations, technical questions and advice, and announcements   of upcoming conferences, trade shows, and new products relevant to the   Pick marketplace.   VOTING PERIOD   From: The appearance of the first CFV (26 May 93).  To:   17 June 1993 23:59:59 GMT. Votes received after this date will not        be counted.   VOTING RULES   All votes MUST be mailed to the "[email protected]". Votes which are  posted instead of being mailed will be ignored.   If you vote more than once from the same address, only the most recent  vote received will be counted as valid.   Each person has only one vote, even if they have multiple accounts or  email addresses. Forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. If you vote  more than once from different addresses in an apparent attempt to  circumvent this rule, all your votes may be rejected, and this fact  plus your name noted in the final vote tally.   HOW TO VOTE   Vote by sending mail to [email protected], preferably using the format   below. Votes will be tallied by an automatic program; if it can't  decipher your vote, you will be asked to re-vote.    Your reply MUST contain a line of the form:     "I vote {YES/NO} for the creation of comp.databases.pick."   (The easiest way to vote is to reply to this message using the "r" or  "reply" command of your newsreading software, then delete every line of  this article except the above line, changing the {YES/NO} to your  choice of YES or NO.)   If your system does not permit you to put your real name in the "From:"  or "Reply-To:" fields of your message, you may optionally add a line  in the message body of the exact form:     "My real name is: your_real_name_here"    All votes will be automatically acknowledged by the voting software via  email at some time after being received. Any acknowledgement that  bounces will not be retried. There will also be at least one mass  acknowledgement posted during the voting period. The final vote tally  will be posted at the end of the vote, including a complete list  showing how everyone voted.  VOTE RESULT   At the end of the voting period, there will be a period of five days  from the posting of the result to allow for any errors to be noted and  corrected.   Under the Usenet group creation guidelines, the group will be created  if at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes are received, with at  least 2/3 of the valid votes received in favor of the group. If either  the 100 vote margin and 2/3 majority are not met, the group will not be  created.  VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT  As of Sunday 6 June 1993, valid votes have been received from the  following individuals (list was not checked for duplicates):  [email protected]  (Alan Glassman) [email protected]  (Aaron Davies) [email protected]  (Alan Kull) [email protected]  (Alice Friedman) [email protected]  (Susan Biddlecomb) [email protected]  (Robert Vernon) [email protected]  (Brian Wigton) [email protected]  (Jackie Burhans) [email protected]  (Tony Carter - MIT Bates Linac) [email protected] (Cathy Lawson) [email protected]  (Charles Binko) [email protected]  (Bjorn Kj Myklebust ) [email protected]  (David Churcher) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Dawn Whiteside) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Dale E. Higgs) [email protected]  [email protected]  (DAVID FARR) [email protected]  (Dave Martin) [email protected]m  (Dominic Baron) [email protected]  (David Q. King) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Duncan Roe) dwolff%[email protected]  (David Wolff) [email protected]  (Steve H Edwards -- EDS -- Internal Operations) [email protected]  (Eric J. Olson) [email protected]  (Eric Wessel) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Eckart W. Schmidt) [email protected]  (Tom Parker) [email protected]  (Fred Rump from home) [email protected]  (Freely R. Schwam) [email protected]  (Gail W. Padden) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Georg Schwarz) [email protected]  (Gerald Feeney) [email protected]  (Geoff Miller) [email protected]  (Warren Gill) [email protected]  (Glenna Frost) [email protected]  (B.J. Herbison) [email protected]  (Eiji Hirai) [email protected]  (Henry Unger) [email protected]  (John Bartol) [email protected]  (Jurgen Botz) [email protected]  (John H. Whaley) [email protected]  (Jim Tyhurst) [email protected]  (John Gleeson) [email protected]  (John E. Babbitt Jr.) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Jon Bell) [email protected]  (James Tsillas) [email protected]  (Julian Macassey) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Kevin Dombroski) [email protected]  (Lance Andersen) [email protected]  (Chris Landers) [email protected]  (Lynn Charnitz - CV Services (414)797-8512) [email protected]  (Frank Yeh Jr.) [email protected]  (Garrett Hildebrand) [email protected]  (Mike Demezas) [email protected]  (Michael Harwood) [email protected],  (Michael Brennan) [email protected]  (Wes Morgan) NOBLES%[email protected]  [email protected]  (Neil Richards) [email protected]  (Stephen S Wood) [email protected]  (Leonard J. Peirce) [email protected]  (Peppo Woudenberg) [email protected]  (Phil Hill) [email protected]  (Philip J. Nesser) [email protected]  (Philip E. Murphy) [email protected]  (Peter Jefferies) [email protected]  (Peter McGONIGAL) [email protected]  (Ron Dippold) [email protected]  (Michael V. Rescigno) richards%[email protected]  (ROBOMAN) [email protected]  (Richard Ahrens ) [email protected]  (Richard H. Miller) [email protected]  (Richard Saunders) [email protected]  (Ron Reimer) [email protected]  (Ron Daubel) [email protected]  (Roy Donaldson) [email protected]  (Bob Sandiford) [email protected]  (Scott Fehrman SE Northern IL) [email protected]  (bernard william schubach) [email protected]  (John Lombardo) [email protected]  (Shane Hartman) [email protected]  (Simon K. Hill) [email protected]  (Donald Slutz ([email protected])) [email protected]  (Marc Moorcroft) [email protected]  (Steve Knutson) [email protected]  (Sergio Manzi) [email protected]  (Scott Johnson) [email protected]  (Steen Hansen) [email protected]  (Stu Labovitz) [email protected]  (Zena Carter) [email protected]  (Tony de Bont - Computervision Services) [email protected]  (Ted W. Flory) [email protected]  [email protected]  (David H. Thornley) [email protected]  [email protected]  (Toni Scott) [email protected]  (Ed Trumbull) [email protected]  (Tracey Tranen) [email protected]  (David Tong) [email protected]  (Glenn Herbert) [email protected]  (Jim Todhunter) [email protected]  (Filaman) [email protected]  (Philippe Vezina) [email protected]  (Roger MacNicol) [email protected]  (Kathryn Scholl) [email protected]  (Susan Todhunter - (JWT)) [email protected]  (Todd Cooper) [email protected]  (Tom Rauschenbach) [email protected]  (Walter Gallant) [email protected]  (W. Andy Hoskins) [email protected]  (Bob Waldron) [email protected]  (Mark Williamson) [email protected]  (Peter Williams) [email protected]  (Kevin Yoders) [email protected] --  David Ruggiero (votes to [email protected], other mail to [email protected])) Seattle WA: Our slugs can beat up your slugs  From [email protected] Wed Jun 23 21:13:56 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (David Ruggiero) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.databases,comp.sys.prime,comp.sys.stratus,comp.os.misc Subject: RESULT: comp.databases.pick passes 198:17 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 21 Jun 1993 15:38:29 -0400 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 279 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3722 news.groups:74676 comp.databases:26590 comp.sys.prime:3543 comp.sys.stratus:257 comp.os.misc:3517  The three-week voting period ended as scheduled at 23:59:59 GMT on June 17. During that time, 215 valid votes were received and counted using Ron Dippold's UseVote system. The final tally was follows:  comp.databases.pick vote results - 215 votes   Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------  198   17 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.databases.pick   The vote taker thanks everyone who took the time to vote.  ------------------------------------------------------------------- Short commentary on the comp.databases.pick vote  The voting was remarkably uneventful. Five votes were received in an invalid or undecipherable format and were 'bounced' with acknowledgement to that effect by UseVote; all five were returned by their authors with correct votes. Four duplicate votes with addresses identical to the original vote's address were received after the second CFV; by the voting rules of the CFV only the last (second) vote was counted in each case.  No voters reported that the UseVote-generated acknowledgement of their vote was wrong, so I think I am fairly safe in assuming that the count reported above (with full voter detail below) is completely correct. The standard five-day waiting period for any corrections or questions about the vote will be observed, however, and if no problems are noted, the control message will be issued to create the group shortly afterwards.  --------------------------------------------------------------------- CHARTER    "comp.databases.pick" will be a newsgroup for the discussion of the   creation, administration, and use of the multitude of databases,   operating systems, and applications environments which are generally   known as "Pick-compatible", "Pick-like", "Pick-inspired", or "post-   relational". These include, at the least:     -  The Pick Operating System (aka "Pick R83" and "Advanced Pick")    -  Vmark's  _Universe_ environment    -  Unidata's  _Unidata_    -  Revelation Technologies' _Advanced Revelation_ and "Rev G" products    -  Prime Computer's _Prime Information_ system    -  The PI/Open environment (developed by Prime, now owned by Vmark)    This discussion will include, but not be limited to, programming theory   and practice, database design techniques, efficient construction of   application systems, practical system and database administration,   experiences with and differences between various Pick-type products   and implementations, technical questions and advice, and announcements   of upcoming conferences, trade shows, and new products relevant to the   Pick marketplace.  ----------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPLETE LIST OF ALL VOTES  "YES" votes (198)  [email protected] (Aaron Davies) [email protected] (Alan Glassman) [email protected] (Alan Kull) [email protected] (Alice Friedman) [email protected] (Alvaro Agustin Fernandez) [email protected] (Andy Hering) [email protected] (Arnd Wussing) [email protected] (Ashley Furman) [email protected] (B.J. Herbison) [email protected] (Barry Johnson) [email protected] (bernard william schubach) [email protected] (Bill Manson) [email protected] (Bjorn Kj Myklebust) [email protected] (Bob Bartlett) [email protected] (Bob Di Guardia) [email protected] (Bob Sandiford) [email protected] (Bob Waldron) [email protected] (Brendan McKelvey) [email protected] (Brian Wigton) [email protected] (Carl Chapman) [email protected] (Cathy Lawson) [email protected] (Charles Binko) [email protected] (Chris Landers) [email protected] (Christopher Smith) [email protected] (Chuck Lewis) [email protected] (Curtis A. Bohl) [email protected] (D. Miles Goldstein) [email protected] (Dale E. Higgs) [email protected] (Daniel Melvin) [email protected] (Dave Cheeseman) [email protected] (Dave Durant) [email protected] (Dave Martin) [email protected] (Dave Meeks) [email protected] (David Arendes) [email protected] (David Challis) [email protected] (DAVID FARR) [email protected] (David Goldman) [email protected] (David H. Thornley) [email protected] (David Q. King) [email protected] (David Tong) dwolff%[email protected] (David Wolff) [email protected] (David_Rotman) [email protected] (Dawn Whiteside) [email protected] (Denis Keal (Software Technical Support)) [email protected] (Dennis Krueger) [email protected] (Dominic Baron) [email protected] (Donald Slutz ([email protected])) [email protected] (Doug Osborn) [email protected] (Duncan Roe) [email protected] (Ed Trumbull) [email protected] (Edgar Daza) [email protected] (Eiji Hirai) [email protected] (Eric Ross) [email protected] (Eric Wessel) [email protected] (Ernie Piper) [email protected] (Filaman) [email protected] (Frank Mostek) [email protected] (Frank Yeh Jr.) [email protected] (Fred Rump) [email protected] (Freely R. Schwam) [email protected] (Gail W. Padden) [email protected] (Garrett Hildebrand) [email protected] (Geoff Miller) [email protected] (George Best) [email protected] (Gerald Feeney) [email protected] (Glenn Herbert) [email protected] (Glenna Frost) [email protected] (Greg Kovach) [email protected] (Hal Lindstrom (518-456-0613)) [email protected] (Hardcore Alaskan) [email protected] (Harvey Prudhomme) [email protected] (Heberlein) [email protected] (Henry Eggers) [email protected] (Henry Unger) [email protected] (Ilkka Laurmaa) [email protected] (J.David Ruggiero) [email protected] (Jackie Burhans) [email protected] (James Tsillas) [email protected] (Jeff Waugh) [email protected] (Jeff Whittemore) [email protected] (jeffery l wisniewski) [email protected] (Jerry Cleveland) [email protected] (Jerry Weinert) [email protected] (Jim Todhunter) [email protected] (Jim Tyhurst) [email protected] (Joel Furr) [email protected] (joes) [email protected] (John A. Rodgers) [email protected] (John Bartol) [email protected] (John Denney) [email protected] (John E. Babbitt Jr.) [email protected] (John Gleeson) [email protected] (John H. Cornelison) [email protected] (John H. Whaley) [email protected] (John Kaylor) [email protected] (John Lambert) [email protected] (John Lombardo) [email protected] (John Meuler) [email protected] (John P. Cupp) [email protected] (John Spady) [email protected] (Jon Bell) [email protected] (Jon Warbrick) [email protected] (Jurgen Botz) [email protected] (Karen Devore) [email protected] (Kathryn Scholl) [email protected] (Ken Blackney) [email protected] (Ken Christiansen) [email protected] (Kevin Brinkley) [email protected] (Kevin Dombroski) [email protected] (Kevin Nelson) [email protected] (Kevin Yoders) [email protected] (Lance Andersen) [email protected] (Larry Wisneski) [email protected] (Lee Walton) [email protected] (Len Woods) [email protected] (Lindsey Alton) [email protected] (Lynn Charnitz) [email protected] (Makram Gerges) [email protected] (Mani Sanj) [email protected] (Marcia DeCaro) [email protected] (Mark Baldridge) MARK_EDGE%pr1mew.cv.com%[email protected] (Mark Edge) [email protected] (Mark Williamson) [email protected] (Martin Golding) [email protected] (Michael Brennan) [email protected] (Michael Harwood) [email protected] (Michael V. Rescigno) [email protected] (Mike Demezas) [email protected] (Milo Jeffers) [email protected] (Nancy Munoz) [email protected] (Neal Tollisen) [email protected] (Neil Potter) [email protected] (Neil Richards) [email protected] (Owen Marks) [email protected] (Pam Harfst ([email protected])) [email protected] (Patricia Ford) [email protected] (Peggy J. Nagle) [email protected] (Peppo Woudenberg) [email protected] (Peter Jefferies) [email protected] (Peter McGONIGAL) [email protected] (Peter Williams) [email protected] (Phil Hill) [email protected] (Philip E. Murphy) [email protected] (Philip J. Nesser) [email protected] (Philippe Vezina) [email protected] (Richard Ahrens) [email protected] (Richard Saunders) [email protected] (Richard Shuford) [email protected] (Rob Pearce) [email protected] (Robert Bowman) [email protected] (Robert Vernon) [email protected] (Robert W. Allen) richards%[email protected] (ROBOMAN) [email protected] (Rod Barnes) [email protected] (Roger MacNicol) [email protected] (Ron Daubel) [email protected] (Ron Dippold) [email protected] (Ron Reimer) [email protected] (Roy Donaldson) [email protected] (Scott Fehrman SE Northern IL) [email protected] (Scott Johnson) [email protected] (Sergio Manzi) [email protected] (Simon K. Hill) [email protected] (Staale Sorensen) [email protected] (Steen Hansen) [email protected] (Stephen S Wood) [email protected] (Steve H Edwards) [email protected] (Steve Knutson) [email protected] (Sunil Patel) [email protected] (Susan Biddlecomb) [email protected] (Susan Todhunter) [email protected] (Ted W. Flory) [email protected] (Terri Green) [email protected] (Terry A. Johnson) [email protected] (Terry Pryce) [email protected] (Todd Cooper) [email protected] (Tom Parker) [email protected] (Tom Rauschenbach) [email protected] (Toni Scott) [email protected] (Tony Carter - MIT Bates Linac) [email protected] (Tony de Bont - Computervision Services) [email protected] (Tracey Tranen) [email protected] (Val Bruce) [email protected] (Val Cashman) [email protected] (W. Andy Hoskins) [email protected] (Walter Gallant) [email protected] (Warren Gill) [email protected] (Wes Morgan) [email protected] (William Compton) [email protected] (William Scott) [email protected] (Zena Carter) [email protected]  [email protected] [email protected] NOBLES%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]  "NO" votes (17)  [email protected] (Andras Salamon) [email protected] (Brennan Tennesen Price) [email protected] (David Churcher) [email protected] (Eckart W. Schmidt) [email protected] (Eric J. 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