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From [email protected] Mon Feb 17 23:52:50 1992 Flags: 000000000201 To: [email protected] Path: thebes!polari!tronix From: [email protected] (David Daniel) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups Subject: New newsgroup proposal Keywords: proposal, posted Date: 27 Jan 90 07:34:32 GMT Organization: Seattle Online Public Unix (206) 328-4944 Lines: 7    I would like to propose the creation of a newsgroup that addresses new developments in the field of telephony as well as novel and creative applications of existing technology. This field is fairly broad, encompassing ISDN, Simultaneous voice/data, CO switch technology(including but not limited to Centrex) to name a few. I am a telecomm professional with a local interconnect company (Comtel). I feel that the more I'm keep abreast of new and emerging technology, the better I'll be able to serve my clients.   I'm thinking the newsgroup might be called: tech.telephony or something like it..   From [email protected] Thu Aug 12 14:17:40 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.telecom.tech Followup-To: news.groups Date: 12 Aug 1993 13:38:51 -0400 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 36 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:3934 news.groups:78551 alt.dcom.telecom:2890 comp.dcom.modems:43153 comp.dcom.fax:4900  Request for Discussion  Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech  This will also be submitted to the moderated groups comp.dcom.telecom and comp.std.wireless.  Note followups to news.groups - all discussion should take place there.   Proposed Charter   This group would cover all general technology aspects of the telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.    Background  Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via comp.dcom.telecom.  Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal technical telecommunications discussion.  It is believed that the existence of such a group will encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from what is currently available, and that there are enough interested Usenet readers (although we'll see what the RFD brings). --  "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." -- Terry Pratchett, Eric  From [email protected] Wed Sep  8 19:41:55 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech Followup-To: poster Date: 8 Sep 1993 16:25:57 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 74 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4019 news.groups:81091 alt.dcom.telecom:3174 comp.dcom.modems:44555 comp.dcom.fax:5139                        1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)   Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech   Newsgroups line:    comp.dcom.telecom.tech	Technical matters relating to telecommunications.  Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 29 Sep 1993.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, <[email protected]>.  CHARTER    This group would cover all general technology aspects of the   telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes   communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control   systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,   PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of   the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which   focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by   existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,   discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to   comp.dcom.modems.  RATIONALE    Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via   comp.dcom.telecom.  Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have   expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal   technical telecommunications discussion to supplement the existing   groups.  It is believed that the existence of such a group will   encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from   what is currently available, and that there are enough interested   Usenet readers.   STANDARD VOTING INFO  You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to        [email protected]   (just replying by MAIL to this message should work, *if* your newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:        I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech  You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve to cancel previous votes.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per account).  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in the above calculation; their only role is to cancel previous votes.  Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated once; the 2d CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them. --  Andrew Solovay "What better proof of love can there be than money?  A ten-shilling  note showed incontrovertibly just how mad about you a man is." 		--- Quentin Crisp  From [email protected] Mon Sep 20 18:30:43 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Date: 20 Sep 1993 12:00:47 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 119 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 30 Sep 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4066 news.groups:82386 alt.dcom.telecom:3323 comp.dcom.modems:45234 comp.dcom.fax:5275                        2d CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)   Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech   Newsgroups line:    comp.dcom.telecom.tech	Technical matters relating to telecommunications.  Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 29 Sep 1993.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact <[email protected]>.  For questions about the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, <[email protected]>.  CHARTER    This group would cover all general technology aspects of the   telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes   communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control   systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,   PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of   the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which   focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by   existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,   discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to   comp.dcom.modems.  RATIONALE    Currently, the Telecom Digest is gated to Usenet via   comp.dcom.telecom.  Readers of this group and alt.dcom.telecom have   expressed a strong interest in a main hierarchy group for informal   technical telecommunications discussion to supplement the existing   groups.  It is believed that the existence of such a group will   encourage discussions on the subject that are usefully different from   what is currently available, and that there are enough interested   Usenet readers.   STANDARD VOTING INFO  You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to        [email protected]   (just replying by MAIL to this message should work, *if* your newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:        I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech  You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve to cancel previous votes.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per account).  100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being YES are the requirements for group creation. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in the above calculation; their only role is to cancel previous votes.  Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated once; the 2d CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them.  Bounce-ACK (as of 9/17/93) ==========  The following peoples vote-acknowledgements bounced when I sent them. You need not reply; your vote has been counted. (If you would like to confirm how your vote was counted, send EMail to [email protected])  If you sent your vote on or before Sept. 17, you have not received an acknowledgement, and you are not listed below, your vote may have been lost; please resend your vote to <[email protected]>.  comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Bounce Ack List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]   The following people have sent invalid votes, and have not since superseded them with valid votes.  comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Mass Ack   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                              Craig J Mathias    ! Conflicting votes [email protected]            Ken Guertler, AMS, (703)841-5805    ! No votes [email protected]                                            Marshall Levin    ! Conflicting votes [email protected]                                      Morris Galloway Jr.    ! No votes [email protected]                                                    Persoft    ! No votes [email protected]                                                                ! No votes  From [email protected] Tue Oct  5 13:08:40 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Andrew Solovay) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.telecom.tech fails 621:468 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 5 Oct 1993 10:52:49 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 1161 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4123 news.groups:83555 alt.dcom.telecom:3497 comp.dcom.modems:46014 comp.dcom.fax:5470  Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech  comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote results - 1093 valid votes   Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  621  468 :   No   Yes :    No : comp.dcom.telecom.tech     4 abstaining votes and 8 invalid votes  This is inadequate for newgroup creation. Therefore, the group will not be created. Six months must elapse before this groups can be proposed again.  Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 29 1993.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.    Vote-taker's address:		<[email protected]> Group proponent's address:	<[email protected]>  Newsgroups line:    comp.dcom.telecom.tech	Technical matters relating to telecommunications.  CHARTER    This group would cover all general technology aspects of the   telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes   communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control   systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN,   PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history and management of   the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which   focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by   existing groups would be discussed in those groups - for instance,   discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to   comp.dcom.modems.  comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Final Vote Ack   Yes Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                              Tansin A. Darcos & Company [email protected]                                             Dan L. Dale [email protected]                                            David Appell [email protected]       J.P.MURPHY, SCHOOL OF COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, D.C.U. [email protected]                                      Scott Loftesness [email protected]                                           Somhairle Foley [email protected]                                          MICHAEL J. HAYES [email protected]                                            Aart de Vos [email protected]                                      Ramesh Fernando [email protected]                               Kai Schlichting [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                                  [email protected].com                                                    Alan Hales [email protected]                                        James Van Houten [email protected]                                       Albert Pang [email protected]                                      A. Okapuu-von Veh [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                                 Joseph Rice [email protected]                                            Andrew M. Dunn [email protected]                                              Anthony Yee [email protected]                               Andrew Schonberger [email protected]                                              Andrys D Basten [email protected]                                             Andy Behrens [email protected]                                        Andrew Finkenstadt [email protected]                                                    Andy [email protected]                                            Andy Sherman [email protected]                                     Anthony J Stieber [email protected]                                                  Jack Decker [email protected]                                          Alfred Martinez [email protected]                                         PDP11 Hacker ..... [email protected]                                           Andrew Robson [email protected]                                            A Usenet Pal [email protected]                                            Antti Simola [email protected]                                              Asif Taiyabi [email protected]                                     Michael D. Sullivan [email protected]                                         Alex R.N. Wetmore [email protected]                                                 Ari Wuolle [email protected]                                        #Alban ZIMMERMANN [email protected]                                      Azure J. Lin [email protected]                                          Jim    Babb [email protected]                                                     Brian Court [email protected]                                                 - - bakerj%[email protected]                                  Jon Baker [email protected]                                       Paul Barnett [email protected]                                             Brent Byer [email protected]                                           Brent Capps [email protected]                                     Bryan D. Boyle [email protected]                                               Bruce D. Elliott [email protected]                                                 Ben Coleman [email protected]                                                    Ben J. Hallock [email protected]                                  Michele Bergonzoni [email protected]                                    Berry Mobley [email protected]                                                     BRIAN [email protected]                                          Brian Bieluch [email protected]                                   Bill Berbenich [email protected]                                           Bill Rohde [email protected]                                                                  [email protected]                                                  B.J. 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Brown uunet!adiron!tro                                                      Tom Olin uunet!decrsc!leesweet                                                Lee Sweet uunet!mollusk!leef                                                 Lee Felshin uunet!telenet!dragon!dkpurks                                       David Purks uunet!uswnvg!bruce                                 Bruce Hanson (206) 450-8574 uunet!uunet!mole-end!mat                                                       [email protected]                                                  Colin Valentine [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                           Marc Verreault [email protected]                                                        [email protected]                                              John Kennedy [email protected]                                              Warren Lavallee [email protected]                                                     William Hay [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                           John Whitmire [email protected]                                  Mark R. Wilkins [email protected]                                                Will Dye [email protected]                                            Willis H. Ware [email protected]                                        Dave Ferovick [email protected]                                      William J Rehm [email protected]                                        Will Martin [email protected]                                        Willie Smith [email protected]                                            XIAODONG CHEN [email protected]                                         Pradeep Kalra [email protected]                                         Francois Yergeau [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                                               Paul Zawada [email protected]                                              Gregory Youngblood [email protected]                                                        Bill Zimmer  Abstaining Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                    Sander J. Rabinowitz [email protected]                                           Andrew Solovay [email protected]                                        Martin Schr"oder [email protected]                                 Lonadar the Wanderer   Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                              Craig J Mathias    ! Conflicting votes [email protected]                                                Mr W He    ! No votes [email protected]            Ken Guertler, AMS, (703)841-5805    ! No votes [email protected]                                           Hugh D. Meier    ! No votes [email protected]                                                          ! No votes [email protected]                                            Marshall Levin    ! Conflicting votes [email protected]                                                    Persoft    ! No votes [email protected]                                     Michele Ruth Smith    ! No votes  From [email protected] Tue Oct 12 15:08:24 1993 Path: uunet!tale From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc Subject: Possible creation of comp.dcom.telecom.tech Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Oct 1993 14:28:09 -0400 Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 34 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4152 news.groups:84246 news.admin.policy:7166 news.admin.misc:5001  The proposal to create an unmoderated USENET forum for the discussion of technical matters related to telecommunications was recently announced as failing its vote by 623 yes to 468 no.  It did not meet the criteria of the "Guidelines for USENET Group Creation" that at least two thirds of the total votes be in favour of creation.  I would like to send the control message creating this group and add it to the list of newsgroups which I maintain despite the number of no votes.  I believe this is proper because more than adequate evidence for an unmoderated telecom group in mainstream USENET has been demonstrated. However, the moderator of the sole existing mainstream telecom forum used his position for personal commentary against the proposal, to an audience which was not accessible by people in favour of the group. There was no sizable opposition to the proposal voiced on USENET before it went to vote, or indeed while the vote was in progress, yet an incredibly large number of votes against it were recorded.  Years of observing these votes leads people very rapidly to the conclusion that a nontrivial number of the votes in opposition were cast by people on the moderator's mailing list, who by and large do not use USENET.  Co-operation and consistency are important parts of managing the USENET namespace.  I will not attempt to create the group if I believe that it would be poorly connected.  If you are a news system administrator who would not carry this group if I sent the control message creating it and added it to the list of newsgroups, please send me your comments.  I will earnestly consider well-reasoned and thoughtfully presented arguments against my so doing.  Conversely, I would also like to hear from those news administrators who would carry the group.  Thank you for your thoughts on this matter.  David Lawrence, moderator, news.announce.newgroups  From [email protected] Thu Oct 14 20:50:30 1993 Path: uunet!tale From: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc Subject: comp.dcom.telecom.tech and Changing the Guidelines Followup-To: news.groups,news.admin.policy Date: 14 Oct 1993 19:01:27 -0400 Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 78 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4160 news.groups:84553 news.admin.policy:7211 news.admin.misc:5076  This message is intended to address my recent suggestion that the comp.dcom.telecom.tech group be created despite its failing vote result, and to give an introduction toward ideas I have had for a while regarding restructuring the Guidelines for USENET Group Creation.  I would like to keep it relatively short, and some people might believe there are glaring omissions.  I hope that all points will be addressed in the ensuing discussion.  First, I thank everyone who has written to me over the past two days. Nearly all of the messages that I received were carefully written and well presented.  I'm sorry that I cannot reply individually to all of them.  The diversity of the mail has been surprising at times.  I've got messages from people who voted for the proposal asking me not to create it, and messages from those who voted against it remarking that I should create it.  I've got praise from people who are happy to see the spirit of the Guidelines upheld, and derision from those who would hold me to the letter of them.  I've got more than ample indication that if I did send the newgroup without further debate that it would be widely honoured and the group well propagated.  Before I continue, I want to make clear my primary source of bias regarding USENET group creation.  I support the creation of well focused newsgroups which are not duplicitous.  I have yet to oppose a USENET newsgroup based on its content.  Voting by the hundreds is not a good way to administer a classification system.  "No" votes are not particularly effective at the job they were intended to do, which was to stop poorly formed proposals.  They have been used to stop groups which should have been created and have not stopped those which shouldn't.  I don't believe that any manner of playing with the numbers and ratios will resolve this inequity.  They should be abolished.  Namespace management is best served by a small working group who can help ensure consistency and coherency.  The net supported this idea two years ago when a proposal to use a "trial" process to create groups was approved by a traditional USENET vote.  One of its features was that a small group of people were to chose the name of the group.  I would like to advance a proposal for new guidelines for group creation.  The essential differences would be to make new group creation easier and shorter for people interested in the topics to be discussed, at the cost of not being able to push any name and ill-formed charter forward.  I will be working on the draft of these Guidelines and submitting them for discussion in the near future.  Please do not start debating these ideas until you see how they come out in the proposal.  On the specific matter of comp.dcom.telecom.tech, there is an important factor which led to my message two days ago that people should know.  I have been led to believe that the six month wait would be quite meaningless.  The people who deem themselves the overseers of the "inet" set of groups would create the unmoderated telecom by fiat, without even informing fellow news administrators of the intent to do so, based on the new mailing list which has been created in the aftermath of the failing vote.  The inet groups are a bit of an odd situation, and I won't burden this article with an explanation of them for those who do not know the issues behind them.  The whole issue puts me in quite a difficult spot with regard to the sites I administer.  Under the accepted, established precedents used in news.announce.newgroups, I can invalidate the result of this vote because of the questionable influence caused by editorials against the proposal being sent to a large mailing list which was denied access by people submitting proposals in favour.  Mr. Townson has indicated to me that he would allow a special edition of the digest to be sent to the list which presented both sides of the issue, which would address that point fairly.  I have no doubt that such a revote would pass, but it isn't really the point anymore.  The result of the comp.dcom.telecom.tech vote is just setting the stage for improving the policies by which new USENET groups are considered "valid" by most sites.  David Lawrence moderator, news.announce.newgroups  From [email protected] Mon Oct 25 19:20:31 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Ron Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: Special RFD: comp.dcom.telecom.tech Followup-To: poster Date: 25 Oct 1993 18:52:07 -0400 Organization: qualcomm.com Lines: 38 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4187 news.groups:85739 alt.dcom.telecom:3831 comp.dcom.modems:47197 comp.dcom.fax:5667                       Special Request for Discussion  Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech  This will also be submitted to the moderated groups comp.dcom.telecom and comp.std.wireless.  This is a request for comment for a special edition of the Telecom Digest, discussing the pros and cons of comp.dcom.telecom.tech from anyone who wishes to contribute.  Send your opinions on the group to me, I will acknowledge all received submissions with a mail message, then digestify it and hand it off to the Telecom Digest on Sunday, Oct 31.  Again, all points of view are welcome, but keep in mind that there will be many people wanting a say, so try to be concise.  [[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note:  This is being done to clear up any doubts that might exist over the influence of heavily biased commentary against the proposal to an audience which was denied access by the people in favour.  The poll will be reconducted a few days following publication of the digest.  Comments should address only the actual merits of an unmoderated telecom forum in USENET, and refrain from vituperation of the personalities involved. ]]  Note the followup to poster.  If you wish to discuss this matter publically, please post under this subject name in news.groups.   Proposed Charter (unchanged)   This group would cover all general technology aspects of the telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.  From [email protected] Thu Nov 11 10:21:37 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote Followup-To: poster Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:25:40 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 76 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 3 Dec 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4250 news.groups:87280 alt.dcom.telecom:4135 comp.dcom.modems:48109 comp.dcom.fax:5849                        1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)   Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech   Newsgroups line:    comp.dcom.telecom.tech  Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact Jay Maynard, [email protected] For questions about the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, Ron Dippold, [email protected]  CHARTER   This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.   In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech mailing list <[email protected]>, which is currently gatewayed with alt.dcom.telecom.  The goal is that this group will complement the existing comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list.   If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech by interested readers, send mail to [email protected] and request the Special Telecom Tech digest.   STANDARD VOTING INFO  You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to        [email protected]  (just replying by MAIL to this posting should work, *if* your newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:        I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote CANCEL on comp.dcom.telecom.tech  You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve only to record that you sent a vote. "CANCEL" votes remove your name (and vote) from the list of voters. Please don't include a copy of the whole CFV; I already have one, and it'll just waste disk space.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  For the group to be created, 100 more YES votes than NO votes must be cast, and 2/3 of all valid votes must be YES votes. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in either calculation; their only role is to cancel previous votes.   Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. The CFV will be repeated once; the second CFV will contain a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them.  All votes will be listed in the posting with the results of the vote; this is necessary to allow independent validation of the vote should a third party choose to do so.   --  Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.     "The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton  From [email protected] Sat Nov 27 00:12:43 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote Followup-To: poster Date: 24 Nov 1993 14:27:51 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 92 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Expires: 3 Dec 1993 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4317 news.groups:88623 alt.dcom.telecom:4408 comp.dcom.modems:49114 comp.dcom.fax:6001                        LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)   Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech   Newsgroups line:    comp.dcom.telecom.tech  Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.  Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.  This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only, contact Jay Maynard, [email protected] For questions about the proposed group, contact the group's proposer, Ron Dippold, [email protected]  CHARTER   This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.   In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech mailing list <[email protected]>, which is currently gatewayed with alt.dcom.telecom.  The goal is that this group will complement the existing comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list.   If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech by interested readers, send mail to [email protected] and request the Special Telecom Tech digest.   STANDARD VOTING INFO  You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to        [email protected]  (just replying by MAIL to this posting should work, *if* your newsreader honors the "Reply-To" line in the article header). Votes sent to other addresses will be discarded.  Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements:        I vote YES on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote NO on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote ABSTAIN on comp.dcom.telecom.tech       I vote CANCEL on comp.dcom.telecom.tech  You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. If you later change your mind you may send in another vote, which will automatically supercede all previous votes. "ABSTAIN" votes serve only to record that you sent a vote. "CANCEL" votes remove your name (and vote) from the list of voters. Please don't include a copy of the whole CFV; I already have one, and it'll just waste disk space.  Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  For the group to be created, 100 more YES votes than NO votes must be cast, and 2/3 of all valid votes must be YES votes. "ABSTAIN" votes are not counted in either calculation; their only role is to cancel previous votes.   Every vote will be acknowledged by EMail. This is the repeat posting of the CFV. Below is a "bounce-ack", i.e. a list of people whose ACK messages bounced when I sent them. If your name is on that list, your vote has been received and recorded, and you do not need to vote again. If you have not received an acknowledgement of your vote, and your name is not on that list, your vote may have been lost, or the acknowledgement may have been lost in transit; in either case, you are encouragted to vote again. I will filter out duplicate votes before performing the final tally.  All votes will be listed in the posting with the results of the vote; this is necessary to allow independent validation of the vote should a third party choose to do so.    comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Bounce Ack List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] NMPUK::PAYTON"@nmpost.nmp.nokia.com [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] --  Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can [email protected]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.      "The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton  From [email protected] Tue Dec  7 18:07:00 1993 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.fax Subject: RESULT: comp.dcom.telecom.tech revote passes 738:276 Supersedes: <[email protected]> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 7 Dec 1993 15:52:26 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers...the knights who say ACK! Lines: 1089 Sender: [email protected] Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]>  <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:4375 news.groups:89560 alt.dcom.telecom:4767 comp.dcom.modems:50029 comp.dcom.fax:6118  Unmoderated group comp.dcom.telecom.tech  comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote results - 1016 valid votes   Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------  738  276 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.dcom.telecom.tech     2 abstaining votes and 3 invalid votes  This margin is adequate for newgroup creation. Barring serious controversy about this vote, the group will be created five days after this is posted.  Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.  This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.    Vote-taker's address:           [email protected] Group proponent's address:      [email protected]  Newsgroups line:    comp.dcom.telecom.tech  Discussion of technical aspects of telephony.  CHARTER (as printed in the Call for Votes)   This unmoderated group would cover all general technology aspects of the telecommunications industry in an unmoderated format.  This includes communications mediums (physical transport, wiring, antennas), control systems (switches, routing, ATM), wireless systems (AMPS, NAMPS, PCN, PCS, CDMA, TDMA, GSM), and more (such as the history of the above, and new advances).  It is expected that discussions which begin to focus on implementation aspects of subjects which are covered by existing groups would be moved to those groups - for instance, discussion about Class 3 Fax design specifics would go to comp.dcom.modems.   In the future this group would hopefully be gatewayed with the Telecom Tech mailing list <[email protected]>, which is currently gatewayed with alt.dcom.telecom.  The goal is that this group will complement the existing comp.dcom.telecom with discussions of greater depth on more limited subject areas. This CFV is being posted to that mailing list.   If you wish an unabridged duplicate of the special posting which appeared in comp.dcom.telecom containing arguments for and against comp.dcom.telecom.tech by interested readers, send mail to [email protected] and request the Special Telecom Tech digest.    comp.dcom.telecom.tech group vote Final Vote Ack   Yes Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [email protected]                                           Mark D. Combs [email protected]                                              Robert (R.C.) Lamb [email protected]                                      Scott Loftesness [email protected]                                               Vos A.de [email protected]                              Robert J. Repas [email protected]                                      Ramesh Fernando [email protected]                                     Duncan MacGregor [email protected]                                                     Steve Adams [email protected]                                 Andrew R. D'Uva [email protected]                                                 Allan E Johannesen [email protected]                                             a.e.mossberg [email protected]                                        Andy Jacobson [email protected]                                         Alan Whittaker [email protected]                                                  A.B.Haigh [email protected]                                        Mark Rudholm [email protected]                                                    Alan Hales [email protected]                                                   Alan Baxter [email protected]                                        Alan Coopersmith [email protected]                                           Alex Zatsman [email protected]                                            [email protected]                                                    Joe Rice [email protected]                                         Andrew Klossner [email protected]                                       Andrew R Ghali [email protected]                               Andrew Schonberger [email protected]                                               [email protected]                                             Andy Behrens [email protected]                                        Andrew Finkenstadt [email protected]                                                Andy Rabagliati [email protected]ternet.sbi.com                                            Andy Sherman [email protected]                                           Anne Bennett [email protected]                                     Anthony J Stieber [email protected]                                             Brennan T. Price [email protected]                                                   Thom Byxbe [email protected]                                                  Jack Decker [email protected]                                          Alfred Martinez [email protected]                                                    David Appell [email protected]                                                Alan (A.R.) Quirt [email protected]                                         PDP11 Hacker ..... [email protected]                                   Arthur Chance [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                            Antti Simola aspgd21!dt07039%[email protected]                             Greg Stanton [email protected]                                                 Angela T. Johnston [email protected]                                              Richard B. August [email protected]                                      Daniel Augustine [email protected]                                            Tom Ace [email protected]                                                Ari Wuolle [email protected]                                                     Brian Court [email protected]                                        Christoph Badura [email protected]                               Marcos Bafutto [email protected]                                           Ed Bailey [email protected]                                       Paul Barnett [email protected]                                                          [email protected]                            Amritansh Raghav [email protected]                                           Buzz Buzzini [email protected]                                     bc22863 [email protected]                                             boy brent [email protected]                                     Bryan D. Boyle [email protected]                                               Bruce D. Elliott [email protected]                                          David Beckman [email protected]                                                             [email protected]                                              Bengt Larsson [email protected]                                                Beth Cole [email protected]                                                     BRIAN [email protected]               Brad, RN3-12, 765-0494, Beeper: 237-2604 [email protected]                                           Bill Rohde [email protected]                                                  Billy Youdelman [email protected]                                                  B.J. Herbison [email protected]                                                      Bruce Taylor [email protected]                                                       Bob Dunaway [email protected]                                                   Bob Baal [email protected]                                                       Bob Marrow [email protected]                                           C. S. Cheyney [email protected]                                            David A. Boulton [email protected]                                          Bill Dennen brad%[email protected]                                  Brad Isley [email protected]                                             Bram Smits [email protected]                                          Brett Frankenberger [email protected]                                        Brian Rice [email protected]                                          Brian Gordon [email protected]                                               Brian TroxeLL briand%[email protected]                            Brian Dickson [email protected]                                Brooks Benson Bruce_Sullivan++LOCAL+dADR%[email protected]        Bruce Sullivan [email protected]                                              Nick Bryant [email protected]                         BARRY M. SCHLESINGER [email protected]                                                           Btan [email protected]                                     Aliza R. Panitz bugs%[email protected]                                  Dan Berry [email protected]                                       Laura Burchard [email protected]                                                Bruce Whitby [email protected]                                           Bruce Walzer [email protected]                                       BY de Boer at Cybernetics [email protected]                                             Ross H. Perot [email protected]                                           Kenny Adams [email protected]                                        Christopher King [email protected]                                 David Capshaw [email protected]                                                    John Carr [email protected]                                                John Caruso [email protected]                                                      [email protected]                         Hank Cavendish [email protected]                                            David Almagor [email protected]                                     Jeff Scofield [email protected]                                              Bill McGown [email protected]                                               John Hood [email protected]                                         Charles Levert [email protected]                             Alan Cheilek [email protected]                                                   Cheryl Fargo [email protected]                                                Keh-Fan Chi [email protected]                                        Chip Rosenthal [email protected]                             Chris Davies [email protected]                                               Chris Cavigioli [email protected]                                        Chris Yoder [email protected]                                     Chris Hughes [email protected]                                                 Chris Jewell [email protected]                                              Chris Marble [email protected]                                                   Christopher Chen [email protected]                                                  Christopher Davis [email protected]                                 Chris Siebenmann [email protected]                          Brian Schipper [email protected]                                     Clark B. Pansch [email protected]                                          Bob Clements [email protected]                                                        Chris Jones [email protected]                              Colum Mylod at ORACLE Europe [email protected]                                        Mike Coleman [email protected]                                                         [email protected]                                     Todd Colvard [email protected]                                                  Kevin Carstens [email protected]                                                    Netcom User [email protected]                                              Craig Barratt [email protected]                                            Carol Reed [email protected]                                                              [email protected]                                  Matthew Crosby [email protected]                                               Craig R. Watkins [email protected]                               Christian S. Morley [email protected]                                      BENJAMIN ALLOUL [email protected]                                           Charles T. Smith, Jr. [email protected]                                              Tim Clark [email protected]                                              Brandon Magee [email protected]                                                            [email protected]                                                           [email protected]                                              Dave Bonney [email protected]                                                 Dory Meynert [email protected]                                      Dan Schlitt [email protected]                                                   Dan Sachs [email protected]                                                  Daryl Jones [email protected]                                                Dave Barringer [email protected]                                                 Dave Goldblatt [email protected]                                            David Josephson [email protected]                                        David W. 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