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From [email protected] Tue Jul  7 14:29:33 1992
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From: [email protected] (David DeBry)
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Request For Discussion
----------------------

	This is a REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) concerning the creation
of the newsgroup comp.graphics.animation.  The newsgroup will be UNMODERATED.

	Several existing newsgroups cover topics that are small parts
of computer graphics animation, but no one group ties all these
together, or discusses several points that are unique to this medium.
Also, the use of computer animation has seen an incredible increase in
the past couple of years, and is now prevalent in everyday visual
media.  A forum for discussion and advancement of this topic is needed.



Proposed Charter
----------------

	comp.graphics.animation will be a newsgroup where discussion
of the techinical aspects and technique of computer animation will
take place.  This *DOES* include (but is not limited to) such topics
as:

	1] Hardware and software used for an end result of a computer
animated sequence.  These include modellers, renderers, animators, etc.

	2] Application of knowledge of other types of more "standard"
or "formal" animation to computer animation.

	3] Discussion of the technical aspects or techniques used to
generate existing computer animations.

	This *DOES NOT* include (and is not limited to) such topics as:

	1] "Did you see the computer animation in that new movie?  It
was nifty keen!"  Newsgroups such as rec.arts.animation and
rec.arts.movies are better suited for this kind of talk (no offense
meant towards those newsgroups).  While the aesthetic value of the
animation is important when working on the technique,
comp.graphics.animation will try to work on how things are done, not
just how great they look when they are finished.

	Obviously, since the group is not moderated, it will be
impossible to keep conversations topical.  However, posters will be
encouraged (by means of some mention in the newsgroup's FAQ) to take
their discussions to a more suitable newsgroup.



Taking part in this discussion
------------------------------

	All discussion is directed to the newsgroup news.groups, as
per USENET regulations concerning an RFD.  A couple of suggestions
when posting your views:

	1] Please enter the group name (comp.graphics.animation) in
the subject of your message, so people can know what you are talking
about. 

	2] Please keep the discussion public.  If your thoughts are
important enough to be typed, they are important enough to be read by
everyone.  (This changes, of course, when voting starts.)



The next step
------------

	In about 30 days from now (July 30), if the discussion has
reached a general consensus, I'll post a Call For Votes (CFV).  Watch
in news.announce.newsgroups for this.  (This may be delayed slightly,
as July 30th is during SIGGraph, where I and many other people who are
interested in this topic will be, instead of at our respective terminals.)

	During the voting period, you may request a copy of a file
that contains the complete discussion of the proposed charter.  I'll
email it to you.
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From [email protected] Fri Aug  7 20:55:03 1992
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From: [email protected] (David DeBry)
Subject: CFV: comp.graphics.animation
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	This is the CALL FOR VOTES (CFV) for comp.graphics.animation.

        Several existing newsgroups cover topics that are small parts
of computer graphics animation, but no one group ties all these
together, or discusses several points that are unique to this medium.
Also, the use of computer animation has seen an incredible increase in
the past couple of years, and is now prevalent in everyday visual
media.  A forum for discussion and advancement of this topic is needed.

	One month ago an RFD was posted concerning the creation of the
UNMODERATED newsgroup comp.graphics.animation.  Some discussion
occurred (concerning pre-recorded animation vs. real-time animation,
what level of machines the newsgroup would cover, and whether artistic
quality should be discussed), and the charter was modified and
reposted.  Since that time, there have been no more arguments, so I
assume the matter settled.

	The finalized charter is included in this message below.  If
you wish to see all of the discussion that occurred in news.groups
concerning comp.graphics.animation, please email me ([email protected])
and I'll mail you the entire, unedited debate.

	Voting on the creation of the newsgroup comp.graphics.animation:

	To vote YES, send mail to [email protected]
	To vote NO, send mail to [email protected]

	Anything in the subject line or body of the message will be
considered comments and, as such, ignored.

	The voting period begins August 3, 1992, and ends September 4,
1992 at 11:59pm MDT.

	Occasional reposts of this CFV with a list of names ack'ing
votes will be posted during the voting period.  Actual vote totals
will not be disclosed until after the end of the polling period.


Charter for comp.graphics.animation
-----------------------------------
|	comp.graphics.animation will be a newsgroup where discussion
| of the techinical aspects and technique of computer animation will
| take place.  This *DOES* include (but is not limited to) such topics
| as:
|
| 	1] Hardware and software used for an end result of a computer
| animated sequence.  These include modellers, renderers, animators,
| etc.  This topic, however, is limited by a mention later in the
| charter concerning threads that become TOO system specific.
|
|	2] Application of knowledge of other types of more "standard"
| or "formal" animation to computer animation.
|
|	3] Discussion of the technical aspects or techniques used to
| generate existing computer animations.
|
|	4] Forums for showing your own work and viewing other's
| animations.  IE: Film & video shows/contests/competitions.  It's often
| hard to know where to look to see computer animation, or where to get
| your own work shown to the public.  Hopefully this will alleviate some
| of the problem.
|
|	This *DOES NOT* include (and is not limited to) such topics as:
|
|	1] Pure artistic commentary on an existing animation.  (IE:
| "The computer animation in that movie was great!")  SOME artistic talk
| is allowed (actually, encouraged), but only for the purpose of leading
| to (or working in sync with) a more techinical discussion (IE: "How
| did they do that nifty computer animation?").  After all, this is a
| comp. group.  If you want to discuss just artistic merit, please do!
| (I'll probably join you!), but do it in a rec.arts. group.
| 
| 	2] Highly system specific conversations.  If a thread becomes
| too dependant on a certain software package or hardware setup, it will
| be encourgaed to move to the appropriate comp. or comp.sys group.
|
|	Obviously, since the group is not moderated, it will be
| impossible to keep conversations topical.  However, posters will be
| encouraged (by means of some mention in the newsgroup's FAQ) to take
| their discussions to a more suitable newsgroup.

	Any inquiries concerning the vote should be directed to
[email protected]
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From [email protected] Mon Sep  7 23:02:40 1992
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From: [email protected] (David DeBry)
Subject: RESULT: comp.graphics.animation passes 249:6
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	The voting period for the unmoderated group comp.graphics.animation
has ended.  The vote was near to a shutout in favor of creation, with
a final tally of 249 for, and 6 against.

	Here is the charter:

Charter for comp.graphics.animation
-----------------------------------
|       comp.graphics.animation will be a newsgroup where discussion
| of the techinical aspects and technique of computer animation will
| take place.  This *DOES* include (but is not limited to) such topics
| as:
|
|       1] Hardware and software used for an end result of a computer
| animated sequence.  These include modellers, renderers, animators,
| etc.  This topic, however, is limited by a mention later in the
| charter concerning threads that become TOO system specific.
|
|       2] Application of knowledge of other types of more "standard"
| or "formal" animation to computer animation.
|
|       3] Discussion of the technical aspects or techniques used to
| generate existing computer animations.
|
|       4] Forums for showing your own work and viewing other's
| animations.  IE: Film & video shows/contests/competitions.  It's often
| hard to know where to look to see computer animation, or where to get
| your own work shown to the public.  Hopefully this will alleviate some
| of the problem.
|
|       This *DOES NOT* include (and is not limited to) such topics as:
|
|       1] Pure artistic commentary on an existing animation.  (IE:
| "The computer animation in that movie was great!")  SOME artistic talk
| is allowed (actually, encouraged), but only for the purpose of leading
| to (or working in sync with) a more techinical discussion (IE: "How
| did they do that nifty computer animation?").  After all, this is a
| comp. group.  If you want to discuss just artistic merit, please do!
| (I'll probably join you!), but do it in a rec.arts. group.
|
|       2] Highly system specific conversations.  If a thread becomes
| too dependant on a certain software package or hardware setup, it will
| be encourgaed to move to the appropriate comp. or comp.sys group.
|
|       Obviously, since the group is not moderated, it will be
| impossible to keep conversations topical.  However, posters will be
| encouraged (by means of some mention in the newsgroup's FAQ) to take
| their discussions to a more suitable newsgroup.

	Listed below is a final ACK for all votes received.  There
will now be a five day waiting period during which time you will have
the opportunity to correct any errors in the list below.  Errors
should be reported to [[email protected]].

	Following the waiting period, assuming there are no serious
objections that might invalidate the vote, the news.announce.newgroups
moderator will send out the message to create comp.graphics.animation.

YES votes received:
===================
[email protected]
[email protected]
Alison Rebecca Colman <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Andrew Tynan)
Andrew Stoker <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Andre Yew)
[email protected] (Andy Newman)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Kaje - Film for NERSC)
[email protected] (Allan Schaffer)
[email protected]
Barry Douglas Ferg <[email protected]>
[email protected] (The Ray)
Bernie Roehl <[email protected]>
B.J.  10-Aug-1992 1306 <[email protected]>
Bjorn Knutsson  <[email protected]>
"Bj\\xrn" Aadland <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
[email protected] (Derek Bosch)
C D Osland <[email protected]>
Carlos Canau <[email protected]>
[email protected] (     Catherine DELASALLE   )
Chad Faragher <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Tang Chee Kin)
Chris Landreth <[email protected]>
Chris Lilley <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Chris Johnston)
Chuck Wegrzyn <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Cindy Starr)
[email protected] (Christopher L. Davis)
[email protected] (Colin McCartney)
COLLIN MCCULLEY <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Christer Olsson)
Constantin D Orogo <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Colin Bell)
[email protected] (Cullen Jennings)
[email protected] (Curt Schroeder)
[email protected] (Craig Farley)
[email protected] (Tommie Daniel)
[email protected] (Dan Jacobson)
Dave Disser <[email protected]>
"Dave Taenzer" <[email protected]>
"Dave Thomas" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (David DeBry)
[email protected] (Debbie Carlson)
[email protected] (Debora Dunphy)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Dr Y.M. Engel - The Hebrew University <[email protected]>
"Dyshalenkov Arthur" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (El Cid)
[email protected] (John E. Mendenhall)
[email protected] (Eben Ostby)
Eli Kaufman <[email protected]>
Eric Hunt <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ningping Fan)
"(Fernando D. Mato Mira)" <[email protected]>
Fethi AMARA <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Patrick J. Flynn)
[email protected] (Wayne Folta)
[email protected] (Arno Formella)
Frank Neumann <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Yuval Fuchs)
[email protected] (Dirk Sturzebecher)
"George L" <[email protected]>
Gess Shankar <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Gilad Taub)
[email protected] (Glenn M. Lewis ~)
Gordon Sroufe <cfpgs1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Graham Dunnett <grahamd@eaps.sussex.ac.uk>
grieggs@devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (John T. Grieggs)
guenter@prism.gatech.edu (Brian Guenter)
Hamish_Hubbard@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hamish Hubbard)
Hans-Martin Werner <martin@cui.unige.ch>
hardaker@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Wes Hardaker)
herve@irit.fr
hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Hubert Bartels <hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu>
hyper!bonneau (Paul Bonneau)
Ingo Wilken <Ingo.Wilken@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
Ivo Jossart <FFAAB02%BLEKUL11.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
Jack.Bryant@math.tamu.edu
Jari Toivanen <tene@tarzan.jyu.fi>
jarvis@netarch.com (Jarvis Jacobs)
Jeff Bowermaster <bowerman@garfield.ncat.edu>
Jeff Butterworth <butterwo@cs.unc.edu>
jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Randell Jesup)
jgannon@cs.UMD.EDU (James J. Gannon)
jg@cci.dk (Jorgen Gustafsson)
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livy)
jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
joe@solomon.technet.sg (Joseph Doo)
john@csrnxt1.ae.utexas.edu (John R. Schutz)
johne@iti.gov.sg (Dr. John S. Eickemeyer)
john@logiconultra.com
Jonas Yngvesson <jonas-y@isy.liu.se>
JONESD@topaz.ucq.edu.au
jong@autodesk.com (Jon Gillispie)
Juhani Vaittinen <vaittine@jyu.fi>
justinm@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Justin Martin)
katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
keith@elvis.tgivan.wimsey.bc.ca (Keith Vincent)
kennedy@ssi-s.pegasus.com (Tom Kennedy)
Kjell Roeang <kjell@cmi.no>
kkrishna@mipos2.intel.com (Krishna Kalidindi)
kodiak@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (Bryan D. Nehl)
kohe-t@iris.center.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Kohe Tokoi)
koller@ips.id.ethz.ch
kpennick@cocoon.boeing.com (Keith Pennick)
KRSEAR02@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
kwangwoo@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Kwangwoo Lee)
lafont@aioh.ilab.toshiba.co.jp (Lafont Denis)
Larry Coffin <lcoffin@clciris.chem.umr.edu>
Larry Gritz <gritz@seas.gwu.edu>
Lee Thompson-Herbert <lee@soda.berkeley.edu>
Lew Hitchner <hitchner@riacs.edu>
lleonard@hayes.com
lynn@ras.amdahl.com (Lynn Robinson)
manutius!johnc@uunet.UU.NET (John Carscadden)
Mark S Davidson <davidson@cs.ubc.ca>
Mark Thompson <mark@westford.ccur.com>
"Martin, Computer Graphics Unit" <PRESTON@VMSFE.MANCHESTER-COMPUTING-CENTRE.AC.UK>
Martin Friedmann <martin@media.mit.edu>
Marty.Milette@Software.Mitel.COM (Marty Milette)
marvinl@amber.rc.arizona.edu (Marvin Landis)
mcastle@cs.umr.edu
mcnabb@avl.UMD.EDU
Michael George Buening <mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu>
Michael Gleicher <gleicher@HOSTESS.GRAPHICS.CS.CMU.EDU>
"Michael L. Kaufman" <kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu>
Michael Robb <michaelr@spider.co.uk>
miles.miles.com!sjm@homebase.vistachrome.com (Scott Mark)
mitch@novavax.nova.edu (Mitch Silverman)
mlewis@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Matt Lewis)
Moccozet Laurent <moccozet@cui.unige.ch>
mooring@antares.Tymnet.COM (Ed Mooring)
mouli@irit.fr
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
mt87692@cs.tut.fi (Mikko Tsokkinen)
mvr@mlb.dmt.csiro.au
mzaik@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Tahsin Mzaik)
mz@ilfb03.tuwien.ac.at (Marcus Zelezny)
mz@ilfb08.tuwien.ac.at
n054gi@tamuts.tamu.edu (Apurva Shah)
Nathan Loofbourrow <loofbour@cis.ohio-state.edu>
ncc1701@rpi.edu
neves@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (David Neves)
Nick (Nikolaos) C Fotis <nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr>
Nick Oddson <njoddson@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
nok@vision.auc.dk
ojt@cs.brown.edu (Oren J. Tversky)
Ophir Prusak <s1369046@techst02.technion.ac.il>
Orest Zborowski COMP <obz@raster.Kodak.COM>
osa@wilbur.unh.edu (Oktay S. Ahiska)
ovillumsen@daimi.aau.dk (Ole V. Villumsen)
paetsch@sc.ZIB-Berlin.DE (Paetsch)
pap@moscom.com (Patrick Palmer)
parento@jupiter.drev.dnd.ca (Marc Parenteau - CRDV/DREV)
pat@anacapa.ncel.navy.mil (Pat Kane)
patricia@cs.tamu.edu (Patricia F DeSoto)
patrick@shamrck.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Patrick Arial)
pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Peter Arien <LAAAA43%BLEKUL11.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
"Peter Mitchell" <peterm@carr.yorku.ca>
Philippe Limantour <limantou@dmi.ens.fr>
Pietro.Zanarini@crs4.it
podlipec@dgxyris.webo.dg.com (Mark Podlipec)
ppgfr!wolpert (Florian Wolpert)
pringle@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Glen Pringle)
psjmt@cc.flinders.edu.au (J.Tizard)
Ralf Dreier <dreier@winfo.fb5.uni-siegen.de>
RAVEN Winter <raven@lclark.edu>
rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Angus Y. Montgomery)
rchann@eleceng.ee.queensu.ca (Robert Chann)
reg@sdchemw2.ucsd@chem.UCSD.EDU (Richard E. Gillilan)
reid@sunpix.East.Sun.COM (Reid Judd - Sun NC Development Center)
Rene Mueller <kiwi@iis.ethz.ch>
ricardo@lascar.puc.cl (Ricardo Schmutzer v. O. (IIC))
Rick Speer <speer@anchor.cs.colorado.edu>
Rik Fleuren <rik@sci.kun.nl>
rjt@ornl.gov (Ross J. Toedte)
RM5I@VM.OP.DLR.DE
rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randy M. Rohrer)
Robert Letterman <robertl@skat.usc.edu>
Rod.Holland@East.Sun.COM (Rod Holland - Sun BOS Software)
Ronald Kunenborg <rkunenbo@cs.ruu.nl>
rosalee@retina.depaul.edu (Rosalee Nerheim-Wolfe)
rthomson@mesa.dsd.ES.COM (Rich Thomson)
rtipnis@maxine.WPI.EDU (Rajeev Tipnis)
rwebb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Russell Webb)
sass@cps.msu.edu
sbg@fox-in.socs.uts.EDU.AU (Stephen Gowing)
schloss@marlin.nosc.mil (Tom Schlosser)
Sean Lange <sean@camscan.co.uk>
seshadri@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Sridhar Seshadri)
sgp@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Steven G. Parker)
shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu
spl@szechuan.UCSD.EDU (Steve Lamont)
sridhar@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman )
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
sseelema@visions.UVic.CA (Sven  Seelemann)
Stephen Bohus <clr@dgp.toronto.edu>
Stephen Lines (Spraxlo) <srl@media-lab.mit.edu>
Stephen Menzies <menzies@CAM.ORG>
Steve Franks <stevef@csl.sony.co.jp>
"Steve Thompson, Cheme System Mangler" <olin@cheme.tn.cornell.edu>
Steve Wertheimer <swerthei@us.oracle.com>
stw7228@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.T. Willis)
SUNDAR.PRASAD@mtsg.ubc.ca
swildner@channelz.GUN.de (Sascha Wildner)
tarnoff@cme.nist.gov (Nicholas Tarnoff)
TC <SH7126146@NTUVAX.NTU.AC.SG>
Teemu Mottonen <tmottone@cc.helsinki.fi>
thalli@piis10.joanneum.ac.at (Georg Thallinger (IIS))
Thomas Gramstad <sigar@ifi.uio.no>
thorn@java.CC.McGill.CA (Ron HALL)
tinman@metheus.com (David Tin Nyo)
tnc!m0039@uunet.uu.net
tojek@cae.wisc.edu
Tom Crockett <tom@icase.icase.edu>
tom@clipper.clipper.ingr.com (Tom Granvold)
tsca02!snyde_sl@uunet.UU.NET (Steve Snyder)
tschegg@email.tuwien.ac.at (Elmar TSCHEGG)
tsmaster@Athena.MIT.EDU
tvf@sunsrvr1.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer)
uucp!rdb@relay.nluug.nl (The Graphical Gnome)
vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew)
Vincent Ibeachum <vincei@cix.compulink.co.uk>
wangc@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Carol Wang)
wbrand@shearson.com (Willy Brandsdorfer)
webb@tsavo.hks.com (Peter Webb)
"Well howdy there pardner ...." <BOWESA@topaz.ucq.edu.au>
william@cs.anu.edu.au (William Sun)
wlarkin@panix.com (Ward Larkin)
Woll Newall <woll@lightwork.co.uk>
wp16@prism.gatech.edu (Ed Price)
young@chama.eece.unm.edu (Mark Young)
zahn@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Corvin Zahn)
zik@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Michael Saleeba [Zik])

NO votes received:
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amberle@Athena.MIT.EDU
Doug Young <dougy@xvt.com>
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Richard Kulawiec)
Sven Heinicke <sven@cs.widener.edu>
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