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80x86 assembly ( comp.lang.asm.x86 )
 
From [email protected] Tue Jul 12 15:03:30 1994
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From: [email protected] (Michael J. Averbuch)
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Subject: RFD: comp.lang.asm.x86
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                  REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
 
         Group Name:  comp.lang.asm.x86
             Status:  unmoderated
       Distribution:  world-wide
            Summary:  Discussions related to the direct programming of
                      the Intel 8086, 186, 286, etc . . .  processors and
                      its clones.
        Proposed by:  Michael J. Averbuch ([email protected])
 
 
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the subject of
creating an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, comp.lang.asm.x86
 
CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
This is NOT a call for votes.  A Call For Votes (CFV) will be
posted about one month from now and will be conducted by an
independent third party.
 
The format for this RFD is taken from the RFD for comp.lang.m
(which I downloaded from the RFD in news.announce.newgroups)
and I thank Mr. Smith in advance for not protesting the use of
his RFD format, which he borrowed from somebody else anyway.
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the news.groups newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch ([email protected])

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Fri Aug 19 20:02:49 1994
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From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: CFV: comp.lang.asm.x86
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		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
		 unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	General 80x86 assembly language programming.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <[email protected]>



CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch ([email protected])
 

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.lang.asm.x86
      I vote NO on comp.lang.asm.x86

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Aug 31 18:36:21 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.lang.asm.x86
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                     LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                 unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86       General 80x86 assembly language programming.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <[email protected]>



CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch ([email protected])
 

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   [email protected]
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.lang.asm.x86
      I vote NO on comp.lang.asm.x86

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.



comp.lang.asm.x86 Bounce List - No need to revote
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[email protected]                                     Bernd _Siggy_ Brentrup
[email protected]                              Kenneth P Crouch
egbert%[email protected]                                      Egbert Hinzen

From [email protected] (RonDippold) Wed Sep 21 18:36:24 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 253:18
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				RESULT
	  unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 253:18

There were 253 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 271 valid votes. 
There was 1 invalid ballot.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86       General 80x86 assembly language programming.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <[email protected]>



CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch ([email protected])
 

comp.lang.asm.x86 Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                     Norman Brandinger
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[email protected]                                               Greg McLearn
[email protected]                                          Jack Decker
[email protected]                                     Aaron Dailey x4989
[email protected]    Time has little to do with infiniti and jelly donut
[email protected]                                           Arnt Gulbrandsen
[email protected]                                    Leslie J. Somos
[email protected]                                      Adrian Jansen
[email protected]                                          Alexandre Karev
[email protected]                                        Alejandro Feiges
[email protected]                                                Hank Alme
[email protected]                                       Ambit Research
[email protected]                                         Andrew J. Piziali
[email protected]                                            Antony Halim
[email protected]                                      Dave Bartolomeo
[email protected]                                      Denis Schluchter
[email protected]                                      Steven Atkinson
[email protected]                                                    Jim Ault
[email protected]                                                   Andre van Wyk
[email protected]                                        Andrew Watson
[email protected]                                                  Andrew Wilson
[email protected]                                           Adam DePrince
[email protected]                                           Jor-Len Huang
[email protected]                                                 Jason Bengel
[email protected]                                              Bengt Larsson
[email protected]                                            Ben Humphreys
[email protected]                                             Bernd Lehahn
[email protected]                                           Dan Birchall
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[email protected]                                       Bennie Venter
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[email protected]                                            Bob Duff
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[email protected]                                 Mr GC Hubbard
[email protected]                                    Jeff Gebhart [250-5147]
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[email protected]                               Guy Kendall
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[email protected]                             Jon Beltran de Hereria Olazabal
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[email protected]                                           Jeremy Worley
[email protected]                 Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran
[email protected]                                        Keith M Urry
[email protected]                                              K Bellefleur
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[email protected]                                Kris Heidenstrom
[email protected]                                        Martin Schroeder
[email protected]                                       Dustin Laurence
[email protected]                                             Lee Witek
[email protected]                                                      Lee Perkins
[email protected]                                            Bill Rayer
linus%zythera.UUCP                                        Robert 'linus' Thona
[email protected]                                           John Linville
[email protected]                                        Lester M. Petrie
[email protected]                                 Lucian N. Dancanet
[email protected]                                      wilson m liaw
[email protected]                                               Mark R. Williamson
[email protected]                               Martin von Loewis
[email protected]                                       John Max Skaller
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[email protected]                                          Malcolm Mladenovic
[email protected]                                Alexandre Folle de Menezes
[email protected]                                            Marko Poutiainen
[email protected]                                                   Michael Grubb
[email protected]                                   Michael Phillips
[email protected]                                              Michael G. Phillips
[email protected]                                 Michael Gray
[email protected]                                  Michael Patra
[email protected]                                           Miha Peternel(brez j)
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[email protected]                                   Michael C Landauer
[email protected]                                   Mike Levis - OS/2
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[email protected]                                           Marek Telgarsky
[email protected]                                       Alan Ralph
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[email protected]                                      Michael W. Zintl
[email protected]                                SAMUEL E BENSON
[email protected]                                 Joao Paulo G. Nacao
[email protected]                                Christian Weisgerber
[email protected]                                      Nate Bailey
[email protected]                                      Dan Newcombe
[email protected]                                            William O. Nielsen
[email protected]                                     Nils the Jackal
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[email protected]                                       Joerg Kupietz
[email protected]                                      Thomas Buchner
[email protected]                                  Leonard J Popyack, Jr.
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[email protected]                                   Michael J. Quinn
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[email protected]                                            Erica A. Ramsey
[email protected]                                         Randy Hudson
[email protected]                                          Ranjan Bhattacharya
[email protected]                    RANDALL J. CHRISTILLES - LADE
[email protected]                                             Richard F. Drushel
[email protected]                                   Reynolds, Rob
[email protected]                                              Richard Gilchrest
[email protected]                                       Riku Saikkonen
[email protected]                         Richard Meadows - EECS (CPTS355)
[email protected]                                     Richard Ross-Langley
[email protected]                                       Richard Rosenheim
[email protected]                                            Robert Trickey
[email protected]                                       Jeffrey Rufinus
[email protected]                                           Saul Cozens
[email protected]                                            David Santoso
[email protected]                                                   Rob Sartin
[email protected]                                              Stephen Athanas
[email protected]                                            Steven W. Carmer
[email protected]                                       Donn R Schaefer
[email protected]                                          W Schipper
[email protected]                                  High Octane Fuel
[email protected]                                          Steve Havelka
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[email protected]                                 Lawrence Smithmier, Jr.
[email protected]                                   David Springer
[email protected]                                          Senthil R. Kumar
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[email protected]                                            Terje Mathisen
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[email protected]                                            Thomas G. McWilliams
[email protected]                                     Trangdaithi Hoang
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[email protected]                                       Martin M|ller Pedersen
[email protected]                                                     Bill Tuttle
[email protected]                   Feldman / Mark Jeffrey (ISE)
[email protected]                                              Steve
[email protected]                                               Martin Trnovec
[email protected]                                                    Joshua Uziel
[email protected]                                           Zhangyong Wan
[email protected]                                                  Wes Cowley
[email protected]                                       Wojciech Galazka
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[email protected]                                        Jean-Pascal Hebert
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[email protected]                                           Zyracki Michael

Voted No
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[email protected]                                         Alexander Adolf
[email protected]                                             Andreas Polzer
[email protected]                                     Bernd _Siggy_ Brentrup
[email protected]                                      Greg Lindahl
[email protected]                                                Andreas Gustafsson
[email protected]                                                 Geoffrey Spear
[email protected]                                   Pete 'Happy' Thomas
[email protected]                                                 Hsi P.  Chang
[email protected]                                                 Jamshid Afshar
[email protected]                                     Lars Joergen Aas
[email protected]                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
[email protected]                                                  Oliver Fink
[email protected]                                             Richard H. Miller
[email protected]                                                    Sassan Simai
[email protected]                                               Sheldon Simms
[email protected]                                         Smarasderagd
[email protected]                                                  Dwight Brown
[email protected]                                                  Steve Davis


Votes in error
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[email protected]                                                Robert Glidden
   ! Conflicting votes


From [email protected] Thu May  8 07:23:02 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: RFD: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to moderate
comp.lang.asm.x86. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter which was the propagation of knowledge regarding lowlevel
programming of the x86 architecture. This newsgroup is now a place
where the masses flame each other. At present it is a battlefield for
an ongoing flamefest. This counter productive behavior is indicative
of those who are opposed to serious discussion of assembly language
related topics. Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance
to questions posted to the group are hindered by the various flames
and threads that currently consume this newsgroup. It is estimated that
since November 96 traffic posting has increased approximately from 80
to 200 posts per day. Various readers have confirmed that about 85
percent of this is due to off-topic posts. Readers have been hindered
if not totally turned away by the constant barrage of threads and
flames that hold this group captive. Therefore, we propose moderation
of the existing newsgroup in order to promote unfettered communication
between x86 understudies and their community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

  decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

  decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

  increase the significant on-topic content of posts

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups. This will
 allow unhindered discussion of x86 assembly programming related topics.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or any of its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc.
 HLL code, except when used for low-level hardware programming.
 Product comparisons except when presented in an unbiased fashion.
 Advertisements unrelated to assembly programming or utilities.
 Posts in languages other than English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of
a Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises.
Only members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in
an Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause their
articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The Head
Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads to be
"closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to
an address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any
letter notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human
moderator, the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In
the event of abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will
decide what action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in
the first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup,
      the Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a
summary of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least
six weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with
a simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less
than six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served
longer than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who
have been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Moderator: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Moderator: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Moderator: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Moderator: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Moderator: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Moderator: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Moderator: Ray Moon <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been distributed to the following newsgroups:

 news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.msdos.programmer,
 rec.games.programmer, alt.msdos.programmer, comp.lang.asm.x86,
 alt.lang.asm, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++

Proponent: Cory Langston  <[email protected]>
Proponent: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Proponent: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Proponent: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Proponent: Ray Moon <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Thu May 15 02:45:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: RFD: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Approved: [email protected]
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:37:53 GMT
Lines: 231
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:425

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to moderate
comp.lang.asm.x86. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter which was the propagation of knowledge regarding lowlevel
programming of the x86 architecture. This newsgroup is now a place
where the masses flame each other. At present it is a battlefield for
an ongoing flamefest. This counter productive behavior is indicative
of those who are opposed to serious discussion of assembly language
related topics. Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance
to questions posted to the group are hindered by the various flames
and threads that currently consume this newsgroup. It is estimated that
since November 96 traffic posting has increased approximately from 80
to 200 posts per day. Various readers have confirmed that about 85
percent of this is due to off-topic posts. Readers have been hindered
if not totally turned away by the constant barrage of threads and
flames that hold this group captive. Therefore, we propose moderation
of the existing newsgroup in order to promote unfettered communication
between x86 understudies and their community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

  decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

  decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

  increase the significant on-topic content of posts

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups. This will
 allow unhindered discussion of x86 assembly programming related topics.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or any of its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc.
 HLL code, except when used for low-level hardware programming.
 Product comparisons except when presented in an unbiased fashion.
 Advertisements unrelated to assembly programming or utilities.
 Posts in languages other than English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of
a Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises.
Only members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in
an Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause their
articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The Head
Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads to be
"closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to
an address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any
letter notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human
moderator, the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In
the event of abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will
decide what action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in
the first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup,
      the Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a
summary of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least
six weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with
a simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less
than six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served
longer than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who
have been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Moderator: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Moderator: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Moderator: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Moderator: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Moderator: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Moderator: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Moderator: Ray Moon <[email protected]>

END MODERATOR INFO.


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been distributed to the following newsgroups:

 news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.msdos.programmer,
 rec.games.programmer, alt.msdos.programmer, comp.lang.asm.x86,
 alt.lang.asm, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++

Proponent: Cory Langston  <[email protected]>
Proponent: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Proponent: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Proponent: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Proponent: Ray Moon <[email protected]>

From [email protected] Tue Jul  8 23:30:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Rebecca McQuitty)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.lang.asm,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer
Subject: CFV: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV)
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: 31 Jul 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:18:02 GMT
Lines: 306
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:580

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.

Proponent: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Proponent: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Proponent: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Proponent: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Proponent: Ray Moon <[email protected]>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <[email protected]>

Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

 decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

 decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

 increase the significant on-topic content of posts

 uphold the original charter

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
 for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
 presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
 assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
 English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
      Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: [email protected] (Cory Langston)
Moderator: [email protected] (Jim Neil)
Moderator: [email protected] (Tore Lund)
Moderator: [email protected] (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: [email protected] (David Lindauer)
Moderator: [email protected] (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: [email protected] (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: [email protected] (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: [email protected] (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

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per account.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the
votetaker.  Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.  Votes
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voting results post.  Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the
most recent valid vote.

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persons who would read a proposed newsgroup.  Soliciting votes from
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From [email protected] Mon Jul 21 16:45:09 1997
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Subject: 2nd CFV: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.

Proponent: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Proponent: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Proponent: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Proponent: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Proponent: Ray Moon <[email protected]>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <[email protected]>

Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

 decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

 decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

 increase the significant on-topic content of posts

 uphold the original charter

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
 for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
 presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
 assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
 English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

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   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
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will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
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to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.

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address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
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abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

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is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
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instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

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remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: [email protected] (Cory Langston)
Moderator: [email protected] (Jim Neil)
Moderator: [email protected] (Tore Lund)
Moderator: [email protected] (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: [email protected] (David Lindauer)
Moderator: [email protected] (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: [email protected] (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: [email protected] (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: [email protected] (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

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DISTRIBUTION

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   comp.lang.c
   comp.lang.c++
   comp.os.msdos.programmer
   rec.games.programmer

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-- 
Rebecca Graham McQuitty

From [email protected] Fri Aug  1 08:15:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Rebecca McQuitty)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.lang.asm,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer
Subject: RESULT: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 198:19
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Supersedes: <[email protected]>
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Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:03:10 GMT
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                                RESULT
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group) passes 198:19

There were 198 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 217 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
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moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponents.

Proponent: Cory Langston <[email protected]>
Proponent: Jim Neil <[email protected]>
Proponent: Tore Lund <[email protected]>
Proponent: David Lindauer <[email protected]>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <[email protected]>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <[email protected]>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <[email protected]>
Proponent: Ray Moon <[email protected]>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <[email protected]>

Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <[email protected]>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

 decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

 decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

 increase the significant on-topic content of posts

 uphold the original charter

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
 for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
 presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
 assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
 English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
      Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: [email protected] (Cory Langston)
Moderator: [email protected] (Jim Neil)
Moderator: [email protected] (Tore Lund)
Moderator: [email protected] (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: [email protected] (David Lindauer)
Moderator: [email protected] (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: [email protected] (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: [email protected] (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: [email protected] (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: [email protected]
Article submission address: [email protected]

END MODERATOR INFO.

comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group) Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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[email protected]                                                    Mike Monett
[email protected]                                          Alan Ralph
[email protected]                                            Andrew Koenig
[email protected]                                   Malcolm Loades
[email protected]                                                 Bill Becker
[email protected]                                   Marc Beland <Be[email protected]>
[email protected]                                               John Beppu
[email protected]                                  Bruce Ikenaga
[email protected]                                                 Iber
[email protected]                                         Brian Lloyd Bishop
[email protected]                                                 Bruce DeVisser
[email protected]                                         Corey Douglas Brenner
[email protected]                                              Bob Smith
[email protected]                                           Brendan Trotter
[email protected]                                             Ben Williams
[email protected]                                       Christ van Willegen
[email protected]                                       Rick Spates
[email protected]                                               John Schnoor
[email protected]                                       Carey Huscroft
[email protected]                                              Chris Ebenezer
[email protected]                                   Michele Coleman
[email protected]                                                Ben Combee
[email protected]                                        Cory M. Langston
[email protected]                                                    Don Kiely
[email protected]                                     Roland Persson
[email protected]                                                       Dan Pop
[email protected]                                            Daniel L. Bates
[email protected]                                                      Dan Tyrrell
[email protected]                                    Darryl Palmer Jr.
[email protected]                                                 Davin McCall
[email protected]                                                  Joel Hardy
[email protected]                                       David Stokely
[email protected]                                                 Ed Beroset
[email protected]                                                  B. E. Griffin
[email protected]                                            Morten Elling
[email protected]                                                   Eric W. Lange
[email protected]                                    Erik Lundgren
[email protected]                                                 Erwin S. Andreasen
[email protected]                                      Dan Chalmers
[email protected]                                             Eugene Ng
[email protected]                                             Ekkehard Uthke
[email protected]                                              Halina Farquhar
[email protected]                                                Fabian Nunez
[email protected]                                               Kimmo Juujarvi
[email protected]                       Fernando Soares
[email protected]                                             Filipe
[email protected]                                         Roberto Orsini
[email protected]                                      Frank Faubert
[email protected]                                       Lawrence Kirby
[email protected]                                     Oliver Obst
[email protected]                                 Florian Weimer
[email protected]                                         Gavin Estey
[email protected]                      Geoff Stevens (Geoffrey de Veloper)
[email protected]                           David Lindauer
[email protected]                                          G.J. Doornink
[email protected]                                           Sanjeev K Gupta
[email protected]                                    Mark Gibson
[email protected]                                                 Gary L. Smith
[email protected]                                       Gary R. Dennis
[email protected]                                           Greg Franklin
[email protected]                                             Greg Elkin
[email protected]                                      Jacques Grove
[email protected]                                      Garry Spencer
[email protected]                                               Guy Macon
[email protected]                                         Hank Oredson
[email protected]                                 Heinrich Schramm
[email protected]                                 Danny Hendrickx
[email protected]                                    Jim Baranovich
[email protected]                                                  Goran Larsson
[email protected]                                     Leif Ragnar Parr
[email protected]                                        Ian Kingston
[email protected]                                     Robert August Vincent II
[email protected]                                   Mary-Frances Jagod
[email protected]                                         Jack Klein
[email protected]                                    Janos Szamosfalvi
[email protected]                                                Jerry Coffin
[email protected]                                          James Tucker
[email protected]                                       Charles Hoffmann
[email protected]                                     Jesus Eugenio Sanchez
[email protected]                                                         Jeff Foy
[email protected]                                          John Dallman
[email protected]                                                 Jim Neil
[email protected]                                                        Jim Paris
[email protected]                                         Jonathan Kirwan
[email protected]                                       Jon Martin
[email protected]                                         Jani Miettinen
[email protected]                                  Jeff Lait
[email protected]                                             Kurt Johmann
[email protected]                                            John Harries
[email protected]                                         John H. Winters
[email protected]                                             John Bernstein
John_Mccue/CAM/[email protected]                                  John F. McCue
[email protected]                                        J. Porter Clark
[email protected]                                                   John Rickard
[email protected]                                            J. Ward Dare, Jr.
[email protected]                                            Jason Willoughby
[email protected]                              Ralph L. DeCarli
[email protected]                                             Kim Groves
[email protected]                          Matthias Kalle Dalheimer
[email protected]                                            Kamil Konieczny
[email protected]                                                  Karl Olsen
[email protected]                                             John Kugelman
[email protected]                                                 Kevin Vigor
[email protected]                                        Kenneth W. Melvin
[email protected]                                           Leonardo Serni
[email protected]                                      Laurent Garnier
[email protected]                                                 John Lindsay
[email protected]                                 Martin Schr"oder
[email protected]                                                     Andrew Lynch
[email protected]                                 Mark Alexander Brown
[email protected]                                    Martin Biddiscombe
[email protected]                                Michael Ferenduros
[email protected]                                  Mark Sashihara
[email protected]                                                         Liam
[email protected]                                                   Larry Mayhew
[email protected]                                                    Michael Best
[email protected]                                       Malcolm Mladenovic
[email protected]                                                   Mike Duigou
[email protected]                                       Anatoly Vorobey
[email protected]                                            Michael Hinz
[email protected]                                 Michael Goldbach
[email protected]                                                 Mick Brown
[email protected]                                              Michael Paff
[email protected]                                             Mario Klebsch
[email protected]                                                Matt Lundberg
[email protected]                                               Matthew Hannigan
[email protected]                                       Matt Mastracci
[email protected]                               Christian Weisgerber
[email protected]                                    Nicolas Moureaux
[email protected]                                        Nigel Bruin
[email protected]                                        Niki Steenkamp
[email protected]
[email protected]                                           Peter Steiner
[email protected]                                   DOSTERT Patrick
[email protected]                                   Paul Bernhardt
[email protected]                                       Paul N. Lee
[email protected]                                      Paul Crompton
[email protected]                                                  Paul Mohr
[email protected]                                             Trevor Tymchuk
[email protected]                                                 Phil Carmody
[email protected]                                              Pete Olson
[email protected]                               Paul Francis Gilbert
[email protected]                                            Daniel Pfund
[email protected]                                                Bruno Piarulli
[email protected]                                             Robert AH Prins
[email protected]                                                  Paul Wolf
[email protected]                                                  Paul Hsieh
[email protected]                                          Robert Blum
[email protected]                                                         R. Augi
[email protected]                                       Raymond Bingham
[email protected]                                       Raymond Moon
[email protected]                                       Robert B. Oliver
[email protected]                                                Rene Herman
[email protected]                                                 Randall Hyde
[email protected]                                          Richard B. Woods
[email protected]                                               Richard Miller
[email protected]                                   Rudi Rughoonundon
[email protected]                                      Shiyaz Rasheed
[email protected]                                 Gregg Kelley
[email protected]                                                  Mark Salyzyn
[email protected]                                        Sam Barjoud
[email protected]                                            Samuel Chow
[email protected]                                       Charles Sandmann
[email protected]                                           David W. Schuler
[email protected]                                       Scott Armstrong
[email protected]                                              Scott Murray
[email protected]                                     Steve Drake
[email protected]                                                 Peter Seebach
[email protected]                                                 Gavin Smyth
[email protected]                                        Christopher Mangum
[email protected]                                                  Steven Reid
[email protected]                                             Stephen J. Rush
[email protected]                                           James Stofer
[email protected]                                     Tony Bowden
[email protected]                                             Walter Saegesser
[email protected]                                           Tom Nagy
[email protected]                                              ed bertsch
[email protected]                             Martin Goebbel
[email protected]                                            Terry Colligan
[email protected]                                           Tim Hogard
[email protected]                                     Thomas Molesworth
[email protected]                                                         Tore Lund
[email protected]                                                   Tony Basoglu
[email protected]                                    James MacDonald
[email protected]                                               Tutu Tudor Victor
[email protected]                                            Tuomo Takkula
[email protected]                                                  Doug Tuttle
[email protected]                                                Paul Mesken
[email protected]                                                Don Neufeld
[email protected]                                      Vesa Karjalainen
[email protected]                                   Vladislav Kaipetsky
[email protected]                                      Wojciech Galazka
[email protected]                                      Risto Widenius
[email protected]                                       William McClain
[email protected]                                        William McNicol
[email protected]                                                Yousuf Khan
[email protected]                                             Zach Baker
[email protected]                                             Randolf Boes

Voted No
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[email protected]                                     Alan J. Livingston
[email protected]                                            Martin H. Booda
[email protected]                                                 Terry Carroll
[email protected]                                        David M. Putzolu
[email protected]                                          G.P. Ryan
[email protected]                                                         huug
[email protected]                                               Fred Cherry
[email protected]                                                Dan Lawson
[email protected]                                       Marco Maury
[email protected]                                           George Willis
[email protected]                                Mustafa Soysal MS57
[email protected]                                            Olav Nieuwejaar
[email protected]                                          Patrick J. LoPresti
[email protected]                                         Peter Hayes
[email protected]                                                             CCI
[email protected]                                                 Dwight Brown
[email protected]                                               Todd C. Lawson
[email protected]                                        James Van Buskirk
[email protected]                                              Barbara Walter

Abstained
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[email protected]                                           Krishna E. Bera


Votes in error
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[email protected]                                        Ronald Nordberg.
   ! No ballot
[email protected]                                     Simon Lodal
   ! No vote statement in message
[email protected]                                           paul hamden
   ! Invalid address
[email protected]                                               Isaac Clark
   ! Invalid address

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