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80x86 assembly ( comp.lang.asm.x86 )
 
From mikeaver@prairienet.org Tue Jul 12 15:03:30 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: mikeaver@prairienet.org (Michael J. Averbuch)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.asm370,comp.lang.basic.misc,alt.lang.asm
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.asm.x86
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                  REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
 
         Group Name:  comp.lang.asm.x86
             Status:  unmoderated
       Distribution:  world-wide
            Summary:  Discussions related to the direct programming of
                      the Intel 8086, 186, 286, etc . . .  processors and
                      its clones.
        Proposed by:  Michael J. Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
 
 
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the subject of
creating an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, comp.lang.asm.x86
 
CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
This is NOT a call for votes.  A Call For Votes (CFV) will be
posted about one month from now and will be conducted by an
independent third party.
 
The format for this RFD is taken from the RFD for comp.lang.m
(which I downloaded from the RFD in news.announce.newgroups)
and I thank Mr. Smith in advance for not protesting the use of
his RFD format, which he borrowed from somebody else anyway.
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the news.groups newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)

From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Fri Aug 19 20:02:49 1994
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From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: CFV: comp.lang.asm.x86
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		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
		 unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	General 80x86 assembly language programming.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com.  For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org>



CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
 

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   voting@qualcomm.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.lang.asm.x86
      I vote NO on comp.lang.asm.x86

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Aug 31 18:36:21 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.asm370,comp.lang.basic.misc,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.misc,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.intel,rec.games.programmer
Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.lang.asm.x86
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                     LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
                 unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86       General 80x86 assembly language programming.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com.  For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org>



CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
 

HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:   voting@qualcomm.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list.

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.lang.asm.x86
      I vote NO on comp.lang.asm.x86

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.



comp.lang.asm.x86 Bounce List - No need to revote
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bsb@bora.ms.sub.org                                     Bernd _Siggy_ Brentrup
crouchkp@flidh101.delcoelect.com                              Kenneth P Crouch
egbert%garfy@teralon.GUN.de                                      Egbert Hinzen

From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Sep 21 18:36:24 1994
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 253:18
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				RESULT
	  unmoderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 253:18

There were 253 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 271 valid votes. 
There was 1 invalid ballot.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. 

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86       General 80x86 assembly language programming.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 September 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com.  For questions about the
proposed group contact Michael J. Averbuch <mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org>



CHARTER
 
The proposed unmoderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
open to discussions on all topics related to assembly language
and low-level programming on IBM machines with '86 processors.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,
 
           Assembly language tips and tricks (code techniques)
           MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
           Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
           Assembly language code
           Assembly language related share/freeware
           Linking assembly language with other languages
           Etc . . .
 
Topics that are discouraged are:
 
           Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
           Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
           High-level language code, except when used for
               hardware programming
 
I already wrote a miniature preliminary FAQ.  Look for it in
the comp.answers newsgroup.
 
-Michael Averbuch (mikeaver@firefly.prairienet.org)
 

comp.lang.asm.x86 Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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74644.334@CompuServe.COM                                     Norman Brandinger
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aa627@cfn.cs.dal.ca                                               Greg McLearn
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ault@cs.albany.edu                                                    Jim Ault
avw@iaccess.za                                                   Andre van Wyk
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axd0822@hertz.njit.edu                                           Adam DePrince
b0705037@im.ntu.edu.tw                                           Jor-Len Huang
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bmork@opus-ovh.spk.wa.us                                                 Brian
bobduff@dsd.camb.inmet.com                                            Bob Duff
bobs@access.digex.net                                                Bob Smith
bobs@dragons.nest.nl                                                 Bob Swart
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brenchn@wam.umd.edu                                         Neil Andrew Brench
Brent.Huffman@f1.n249.z1.fidonet.org                             Brent Huffman
bromage@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU                                Andrew James BROMAGE
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Bruce.Feist@f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org                               Bruce Feist
bturner@csc.com                                                   Brian Turner
buzco@dorsai.dorsai.org                                                       
bvdmerwe@itu1.sun.ac.za                                      Ben van der Merwe
carbone@midas.mtkgc.com                                           John Carbone
carrollt@netcom.com                                              Terry Carroll
castor@ma2.sun.ac.za                                                          
cc6bmk0@nova.ballarat.edu.au                                   Benjamin Kellas
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chenxj@cs.ucdavis.edu                                                         
chip@clark.net                                                      Chip Davis
cii@netcom.com                                                    Mike McAulay
cisin@uclink.berkeley.edu                                           Fred Cisin
cjbark@enigma.soongsul.ac.kr                                     ChangJin Bark
clund@sdphu1.ucsd.edu                                       Christopher P Lund
cmwilson@uncc.edu                                         Christopher M Wilson
coiley@viewlogic.com                                               Mark Coiley
crouchkp@flidh103.delcoelect.com                              Kenneth P Crouch
cs325317@mailbox.uq.oz.au                                     David Vandenberg
csb@tomx.elte.hu                                              Csizmazia Balazs
csbmav@cs.upe.ac.za                                           Martin Vockerodt
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dada@CAM.ORG                                                   Stephane Lajoie
dat94fja@ludat.lth.se                                        Fredrik Jagenheim
dba@redbug.oau.org                                               David Andrews
deana@cix.compulink.co.uk                                          Dean Ashton
dgfritz@cat.syr.edu                                                 Doug Fritz
dragi.popovic@uni-mb.si                                                       
dschuler@VNET.IBM.COM                                         David W. Schuler
duncan@zycad.com                                              Donald K. Duncan
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dv3freli@ida.his.se                                            Fredrik Linaker
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dwhite@dsys.ncsl.nist.gov                                        Douglas White
dwm@falcon.mbsa.com                                                 Doug Maxey
eason690@Armstrong.EDU                                            Andrew Eason
eburger@mason1.gmu.edu                                           Eric W Burger
egbert%garfy@teralon.GUN.de                                      Egbert Hinzen
elia@hsi.com                                                         Enes Elia
ellis@netcom.com                                                    Rick Ellis
eru@tele.nokia.fi                                               Erkki Ruohtula
ewl@panix.com                                                   Emery Lapinski
FSSPR@aurora.alaska.edu                                                   NOT!
garybarr@netcom.com                                            Gary Barrentine
gchub1@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au                                 Mr GC Hubbard
gebhartj@cuug.ab.ca                                    Jeff Gebhart [250-5147]
gerlek@SSD.intel.com                                         Michael P. Gerlek
gkendall@ncr-mpd.ftcollinsco.NCR.COM                               Guy Kendall
glj@iai.MV.COM                                                    Glenn Larson
glratt@is.rice.edu                                        Glenn Forbes Larratt
godfrey2@rowan.coventry.ac.uk                                     Bill Godfrey
gordon@ll.mit.edu                                              Gordon Matheson
graham@barnowl.demon.co.uk                                       Graham Murray
grendel@netaxs.com                                                            
gvr@halcyon.com                                               George V. Reilly
hagie@netcom.com                                                   Scott Hagie
hal9001@panix.com                                          Robert A. Rosenberg
heard@btr.btr.com                              Charles M. Heard  heard@btr.com
HERR67@delphi.com                                                             
hodge@freenet.scri.fsu.edu                                         Jorge Hodge
holz@elec.mid.gmeds.com                                            White Flame
hpa@nwu.edu                                                     H. Peter Anvin
hwm@hamster.sauerland.de                                    Hartmut W. Malzahn
igor@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua                                      Igor Romanenko
IO20882@MAINE.MAINE.EDU                                                       
ISPGFJG@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM                              Frank J. Garza
J.R.Cloke@bnr.co.uk                                                  J.R.Cloke
James@jraynard.demon.co.uk                                       James Raynard
jamesh@falcon.ic.net                                                James Held
jason@gate.net                                                           Jason
jdarrow@nyx10.cs.du.edu                                            John Darrow
jdstone@poobah.edaco.ingr.com                                        Jon Stone
jdu@witch.mitra.com                                                       J Du
jepler@herbie.unl.edu                                               Jeff Epler
jfs01@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM                                          John Stone
jlevenbe@reed.edu                                           Joshua L Levenberg
jlist@xs4all.nl                                                          jlist
jmc@ksu.ksu.edu                                           James Michael Chacon
jmdaluz@kquest.com                                               Jose M. daLuz
jmoseley@booksetc.vnet.net                                                    
joachim@matematik.su.se                                        Joachim Hollman
john@enville.demon.co.uk                                            John Risby
jomar@panix.com                                                   Martin Glass
jonellis@phoenix.Princeton.EDU                                  Jonathan Ellis
jonny@alpha.coe.ufrj.br                                Joao Carlos Mendes Luis
jont@harlequin.co.uk                                              Jon Thackray
jriblett@gate.net                                                  Jim Riblett
jroberts@rci.ripco.com                                            Jack Roberts
jrp@callamer.com                                                              
jrwz@oswego.Oswego.EDU                                        James R Williams
jtabeolj@bi.ehu.es                             Jon Beltran de Hereria Olazabal
jtc@cygnus.com                                                    J.T. Conklin
jworley@khoros.unm.edu                                           Jeremy Worley
kcochran@nyx10.cs.du.edu                 Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran
Keith@mephisto.demon.co.uk                                        Keith M Urry
kennethb@nbnet.nb.ca                                              K Bellefleur
klaus@gnugate.rhein.de                                              Klaus Guhr
Kris.Heidenstrom@actrix.gen.nz                                Kris Heidenstrom
L15D@ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE                                        Martin Schroeder
laurence@cco.caltech.edu                                       Dustin Laurence
lee@trousers.demon.co.uk                                             Lee Witek
leep@infi.net                                                      Lee Perkins
lingo@perth.dialix.oz.au                                            Bill Rayer
linus%zythera.UUCP                                        Robert 'linus' Thona
linvjw@aur.alcatel.com                                           John Linville
lmp@lmpws.ctd.ornl.gov                                        Lester M. Petrie
lnd@gftpd-mail.citicorp.com                                 Lucian N. Dancanet
macgyver@cis.ohio-state.edu                                      wilson m liaw
mark@rice.edu                                               Mark R. Williamson
martin@osiris.cs.CSUFresno.EDU                               Martin von Loewis
maxtal@physics.su.OZ.AU                                       John Max Skaller
mb@selway.umt.edu                                           Matthew S Burnside
mbbad@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk                                                        
mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk                                          Malcolm Mladenovic
menezes@inf.ufrgs.br                                Alexandre Folle de Menezes
mep@rieska.oulu.fi                                            Marko Poutiainen
mg@ac.duke.edu                                                   Michael Grubb
mgphl@atldbs.dbsoftware.com                                   Michael Phillips
mgphl@crl.com                                              Michael G. Phillips
Michael.Gray@hub.ima.infomail.com                                 Michael Gray
micky@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de                                  Michael Patra
miha@hermes.si                                           Miha Peternel(brez j)
mikeb@utcc.utoronto.ca                                            M. Bordynuik
misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de                                          
mlandaue@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu                                   Michael C Landauer
mlevis@runner.jpl.utsa.edu                                   Mike Levis - OS/2
moy@xp.psych.nyu.edu                                                          
mph124@psu.edu                                                    Matthew Hunt
mtelgars@cs.nmsu.edu                                           Marek Telgarsky
mtemplar@redunser.demon.co.uk                                       Alan Ralph
mvalente@lnec.pt                                                              
mwj@fns.com                                                       Marc Johnson
mzintl@Plasma.ps.uci.edu                                      Michael W. Zintl
n1379739@student.fit.qut.edu.au                                SAMUEL E BENSON
nacao@rivendel.lin.ufrj.br                                 Joao Paulo G. Nacao
naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org                                Christian Weisgerber
nbai1@mdw052.cc.monash.edu.au                                      Nate Bailey
newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu                                      Dan Newcombe
nielsen@gdls.com                                            William O. Nielsen
nils@wildcat.dartmouth.edu                                     Nils the Jackal
obother@netcom.com                                            Glen Blankenship
p01613@psilink.com                                                   phil reed
pburka@upei.ca                                                                
peterb@ten4soft.se                                                  Peter Borg
pfrants@cs.vu.nl                                                              
pirate@violin.aix.calpoly.edu                                                 
pkeizer@mbh.wlink.nl                                            Patrick_Keizer
pla_jku@pki-nbg.philips.de                                       Joerg Kupietz
pla_tbu@pki-nbg.philips.de                                      Thomas Buchner
popyackl@ers.rl.af.mil                                  Leonard J Popyack, Jr.
PRUITER@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca                                          Perry Ruiter
pshuang@MIT.EDU                                                               
pt@efate.demon.co.uk                                             Paul Thompson
quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU                                   Michael J. Quinn
R.F.vanEe@ET.TUDelft.NL                                                       
ramsey@rtsg.mot.com                                            Erica A. Ramsey
randy.hudson@channel1.com                                         Randy Hudson
ranjan@ed.ray.com                                          Ranjan Bhattacharya
rchristi@sadis01.kelly.af.mil                    RANDALL J. CHRISTILLES - LADE
rfd@po.CWRU.Edu                                             Richard F. Drushel
rfreynol@hsv20.pcmail.ingr.com                                   Reynolds, Rob
rgil@netcom.com                                              Richard Gilchrest
riku.saikkonen@compart.fi                                       Riku Saikkonen
rmeadows@eecs.wsu.edu                         Richard Meadows - EECS (CPTS355)
rrl@minfo.demon.co.uk                                     Richard Ross-Langley
rrose@bud.indirect.com                                       Richard Rosenheim
RTrickey@systran.com                                            Robert Trickey
rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu                                       Jeffrey Rufinus
s.cozens@sheffield.ac.uk                                           Saul Cozens
santoso@chaph.usc.edu                                            David Santoso
sartin@pencom.com                                                   Rob Sartin
sathan@netcom.com                                              Stephen Athanas
scarmer@netcom.com                                            Steven W. Carmer
schaefer@music.umass.edu                                       Donn R Schaefer
schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca                                          W Schipper
shaunc@faceplant.gvg.TEK.COM                                  High Octane Fuel
shavelk@agora.rdrop.com                                          Steve Havelka
simonm@dcs.gla.ac.uk                                              Simon Marlow
sjxw@dcs.ed.ac.uk                                                             
smithmierjr@uamont.edu                                 Lawrence Smithmier, Jr.
springer@dellgate.us.dell.com                                   David Springer
SRK106@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                                          Senthil R. Kumar
ST17K@Jetson.UH.EDU                                                           
stalker@cute.fi                                                      Incognito
stockedg%geds@mhsgate.salem.ge.com                             Stocker David G
supercat@mcs.com                                                   John Payson
terjem@hda.hydro.com                                            Terje Mathisen
tfl@psp.co.uk                                                     Thomas F Lee
tgm@netcom.com                                            Thomas G. McWilliams
thoang@rigel.oac.uci.edu                                     Trangdaithi Hoang
thomas@lkg.dec.com                                                 Matt Thomas
tmr6021@skona.ca.boeing.com                                     Tom Rothschild
tpa@utu.fi                                                         Tomi Aarnio
TRONDB@sofus.hiof.no                                           TROND BJERKSUND
tseidmann@SIMULTAN.CH                                          Seidmann Thomas
tstark@clark.net                                                     Tim Stark
tusk@daimi.aau.dk                                       Martin M|ller Pedersen
tut@iai.MV.COM                                                     Bill Tuttle
u914097@student.canberra.edu.au                   Feldman / Mark Jeffrey (ISE)
UGSBAKER@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU                                              Steve
umertrno@savba.sk                                               Martin Trnovec
uzi@kaiwan.com                                                    Joshua Uziel
wanz@ucunix.san.uc.EDU                                           Zhangyong Wan
wcowley@cftnet.com                                                  Wes Cowley
wgalazka@chem.uw.edu.pl                                       Wojciech Galazka
will@hal9000.jpl.nasa.gov                                        Will Duquette
wilsonj@rpi.edu                                                    John Wilson
wirth@zerberus.gud.siemens.co.at                               Helmut F. Wirth
Wouter.Suverkropp@jet.uk                                                      
yadallee@gAlLiF.ersys.EDmonTON.Ab.Ca                     Dave Shariff Yadallee
zaphod@mat.ulaval.ca                                        Jean-Pascal Hebert
zevans@cs.uofs.edu                                              Stephen Zevans
zyracki@seas.gwu.edu                                           Zyracki Michael

Voted No
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alex@venus.nbg.sub.org                                         Alexander Adolf
apolzer@cs.ucsd.edu                                             Andreas Polzer
bsb@bora.ms.sub.org                                     Bernd _Siggy_ Brentrup
gl8f@fermi.clas.virginia.edu                                      Greg Lindahl
gson@unda.fi                                                Andreas Gustafsson
gspear+@CMU.EDU                                                 Geoffrey Spear
gt5139c@prism.gatech.edu                                   Pete 'Happy' Thomas
hsi@inforamp.net                                                 Hsi P.  Chang
jamshid@ses.com                                                 Jamshid Afshar
larsa@colargol.edb.tih.no                                     Lars Joergen Aas
mmt@RedBrick.COM                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
of@Mail.NetUSE.de                                                  Oliver Fink
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
sam@sun.tps.de                                                    Sassan Simai
sheldon@netcom.com                                               Sheldon Simms
smarry@turing.toronto.edu                                         Smarasderagd
stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown
strat@ksu.ksu.edu                                                  Steve Davis


Votes in error
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
softpres@crl.com                                                Robert Glidden
   ! Conflicting votes


From corylang@magicnet.net Thu May  8 07:23:02 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: RFD: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <863077043.6950@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 07:37:23 GMT
Lines: 230
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:393

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to moderate
comp.lang.asm.x86. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter which was the propagation of knowledge regarding lowlevel
programming of the x86 architecture. This newsgroup is now a place
where the masses flame each other. At present it is a battlefield for
an ongoing flamefest. This counter productive behavior is indicative
of those who are opposed to serious discussion of assembly language
related topics. Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance
to questions posted to the group are hindered by the various flames
and threads that currently consume this newsgroup. It is estimated that
since November 96 traffic posting has increased approximately from 80
to 200 posts per day. Various readers have confirmed that about 85
percent of this is due to off-topic posts. Readers have been hindered
if not totally turned away by the constant barrage of threads and
flames that hold this group captive. Therefore, we propose moderation
of the existing newsgroup in order to promote unfettered communication
between x86 understudies and their community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

  decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

  decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

  increase the significant on-topic content of posts

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups. This will
 allow unhindered discussion of x86 assembly programming related topics.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or any of its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc.
 HLL code, except when used for low-level hardware programming.
 Product comparisons except when presented in an unbiased fashion.
 Advertisements unrelated to assembly programming or utilities.
 Posts in languages other than English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of
a Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises.
Only members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in
an Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause their
articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The Head
Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads to be
"closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to
an address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any
letter notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human
moderator, the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In
the event of abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will
decide what action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in
the first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup,
      the Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a
summary of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least
six weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with
a simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less
than six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served
longer than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who
have been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Moderator: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Moderator: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Moderator: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Moderator: Zackery Waters <zsu@iol.unh.edu>
Moderator: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Moderator: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Moderator: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>

END MODERATOR INFO.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been distributed to the following newsgroups:

 news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.msdos.programmer,
 rec.games.programmer, alt.msdos.programmer, comp.lang.asm.x86,
 alt.lang.asm, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++

Proponent: Cory Langston  <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsu@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>

From corylang@magicnet.net Thu May 15 02:45:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++
Subject: RFD: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: news.groups
Message-ID: <863689073.9797@isc.org>
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:37:53 GMT
Lines: 231
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:425

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to moderate
comp.lang.asm.x86. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you
cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter which was the propagation of knowledge regarding lowlevel
programming of the x86 architecture. This newsgroup is now a place
where the masses flame each other. At present it is a battlefield for
an ongoing flamefest. This counter productive behavior is indicative
of those who are opposed to serious discussion of assembly language
related topics. Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance
to questions posted to the group are hindered by the various flames
and threads that currently consume this newsgroup. It is estimated that
since November 96 traffic posting has increased approximately from 80
to 200 posts per day. Various readers have confirmed that about 85
percent of this is due to off-topic posts. Readers have been hindered
if not totally turned away by the constant barrage of threads and
flames that hold this group captive. Therefore, we propose moderation
of the existing newsgroup in order to promote unfettered communication
between x86 understudies and their community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

  decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

  decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

  increase the significant on-topic content of posts

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups. This will
 allow unhindered discussion of x86 assembly programming related topics.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or any of its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc.
 HLL code, except when used for low-level hardware programming.
 Product comparisons except when presented in an unbiased fashion.
 Advertisements unrelated to assembly programming or utilities.
 Posts in languages other than English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of
a Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises.
Only members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in
an Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause their
articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The Head
Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads to be
"closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to
an address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any
letter notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human
moderator, the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In
the event of abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will
decide what action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in
the first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup,
      the Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a
summary of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least
six weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with
a simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less
than six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served
longer than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who
have been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Moderator: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Moderator: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Moderator: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Moderator: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Moderator: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Moderator: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Moderator: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>

END MODERATOR INFO.


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will
continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD
for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which
a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have
any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been distributed to the following newsgroups:

 news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.msdos.programmer,
 rec.games.programmer, alt.msdos.programmer, comp.lang.asm.x86,
 alt.lang.asm, comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++

Proponent: Cory Langston  <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>

From mcq@wco.com Tue Jul  8 23:30:04 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.lang.asm,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer
Subject: CFV: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
Followup-To: poster
Message-ID: <868429081.18293@isc.org>
Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV)
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Expires: 31 Jul 1997 00:00:00 GMT
Archive-Name: comp.lang.asm.x86
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:18:02 GMT
Lines: 306
Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:580

                     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.

Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@pacific.net>

Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

 decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

 decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

 increase the significant on-topic content of posts

 uphold the original charter

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
 for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
 presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
 assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
 English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.

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with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
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Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: corylang@magicnet.net (Cory Langston)
Moderator: jim-neil@digital.net (Jim Neil)
Moderator: tl001@sn.no (Tore Lund)
Moderator: ccrayne@pacific.net (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Lindauer)
Moderator: pc1@scigen.co.uk (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: zsw@iol.unh.edu (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: brenner@umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: corylang@magicnet.net
Article submission address: corylang@magicnet.net

END MODERATOR INFO.

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From mcq@wco.com Mon Jul 21 16:45:09 1997
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Subject: 2nd CFV: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86
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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
     moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group)

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.

Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@pacific.net>

Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

 decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

 decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

 increase the significant on-topic content of posts

 uphold the original charter

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
 for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
 presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
 assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
 English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
      Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: corylang@magicnet.net (Cory Langston)
Moderator: jim-neil@digital.net (Jim Neil)
Moderator: tl001@sn.no (Tore Lund)
Moderator: ccrayne@pacific.net (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Lindauer)
Moderator: pc1@scigen.co.uk (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: zsw@iol.unh.edu (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: brenner@umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: corylang@magicnet.net
Article submission address: corylang@magicnet.net

END MODERATOR INFO.

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per account.  Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the
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mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes.

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   rec.games.programmer

and is available by e-mail from the votetaker.

-- 
Rebecca Graham McQuitty

From mcq@wco.com Fri Aug  1 08:15:08 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.lang.asm,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.lang.asm.x86,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.os.msdos.programmer,rec.games.programmer
Subject: RESULT: moderate comp.lang.asm.x86 passes 198:19
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                                RESULT
moderated group comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group) passes 198:19

There were 198 YES votes and 19 NO votes, for a total of 217 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.asm.x86	Bulletin Board and Q&A for x86 assembly language topics. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 30 Jul 1997.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponents.

Proponent: Cory Langston <corylang@magicnet.net>
Proponent: Jim Neil <jim-neil@digital.net>
Proponent: Tore Lund <tl001@sn.no>
Proponent: David Lindauer <gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Proponent: Phil Carmody <pc1@scigen.co.uk>
Proponent: Zackery Waters <zsw@iol.unh.edu>
Proponent: Corey Brenner <brenner@umr.edu>
Proponent: Ray Moon <raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com>
Proponent: Chuck Crayne <ccrayne@pacific.net>

Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <mcq@wco.com>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.asm.x86

The current comp.lang.asm.x86 newsgroup has deviated from its original
charter. In the beginning, the group was created for the propagation
of knowledge regarding lowlevel programming of the x86 architecture.
Over the years this newsgroup has mutated into a an ongoing flamefest
regarding which langauge is better/worse, etc. Almost all of the
groups flames concern topics originally earmarked as discouragable in
the original group charter. Are the flames and threads which occupy
the group worthy of eternal debate? Does anyone really learn from
them? Flamefests have already proven themselves to be counter
productive to group development and are spawned by those who are
opposed to serious discussion of x86 assembly language related topics.
Those who truly wish to learn from or give assistance to questions
posted to the group are hindered by the various flames and threads
that consume it. It is estimated that since November 96 newsgroup
traffic has increased from 80 to 200 posts per day. Various readers
have confirmed that about 85 percent of this is due to off-topic
posts. Readers have been hindered if not totally turned away by the
constant barrage of threads and flames that hold this group captive.
Therefore, we propose moderation of the existing newsgroup in order to
promote unfettered communication between x86 understudies and their
community.

-Moderation is proposed to:

 decrease the volume of off-topic posts and/or cross-posted threads

 decrease the number of posts already answered in this newsgroup's FAQ

 increase the significant on-topic content of posts

 uphold the original charter

-to avoid confusion the existing group comp.lang.asm.x86 will be
 moderated as opposed to splitting into several unruly groups.

CHARTER: comp.lang.asm.x86

The newly moderated newsgroup comp.lang.asm.x86 will be open to
discussions on all topics related to assembly language and low-level
programming on any machine using an x86 processor or its clones.
Appropriate topics would include, but not be limited to,:

 Assembly language code tips, tricks, and techniques.
 MASM, TASM, and other commercial assemblers
 NASM, and other non-commercial assemblers
 Graphics, sound, and other hardware programming
 Assembly language related utilities commercial/share/free-ware
 Linking assembly language with other languages
 Inline x86 programming utilizing assembly emulators in higher
  level languages
 Propagation of non-commercial Internet x86 resources
 Any question/discussion of the direct programming of the x86
 Etc...

Topics that will be filtered are:

 Flames about "{Language X} is {better/worse} than ASM"
 Flames like "{Assembler 1} is {better/worse} than {Assembler 2}"
 Flames, personal attacks, insults, etc. HLL code, except when used
 for low-level hardware programming. Product comparisons except when
 presented in an unbiased fashion. Advertisements unrelated to
 assembly programming or utilities. Posts in languages other than
 English will be examined for approval
   if any of the moderators can read the language in question. There
   is no guarantee of approval for a post in any language other than
   English.

The newsgroup will be moderated by a Moderation Board, consisting of a
Head Moderator and a pool of Backup Moderators.  The moderation
process will be overseen by the Head Moderator, who may employ
assistants from the pool of Backup Moderators as the need arises. Only
members of the Moderation Board have the power authority to judge
posts.

The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an
Administrative Statement, that will be maintained by the Head
Moderator, with any changes subject to veto by the Board. The
Statement will be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at
least once per month. It will be available at all times at an address
posted regularly in the group.

All posts to the group may be processed through moderation software
which will take one of the following actions on each article:

   1.  Reject it outright if it meets certain criteria;

   2.  Forward it to a Board member if it meets certain other
       criteria;  or

   3.  Post it immediately.

The criteria being used by either the moderation software or human
moderators will be described in the Administrative Statement. They
will not refer to the source of the articles except that the Head
Moderator may place certain individuals or sites which that repeatedly
try to post off-topic material on a "watch list," which will cause
their articles to be forwarded to a human moderator for review. The
Head Moderator may also declare certain off-topic discussion threads
to be "closed," so that no more articles in that thread will be
accepted.

Rejected articles will, if possible, be returned to the sender along
with a letter of explanation. Rejected articles may be appealed to an
address specified in the Administrative Statement and or in any letter
notice of rejection. If an article was rejected by a human moderator,
the appeal will be judged by a different moderator. In the event of
abuse of the appeals process, the Moderation Board will decide what
action will be taken to deal with the abuse.

An article will normally be subject to rejection only at the time it
is submitted. Canceling of articles after they have been posted
("retromoderation") will not be used for general content control.
Cancellations will be permitted only under the following special
circumstances:

  1.  When performed or requested by the original poster or by his or
      her Internet Service Provider;

  2.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles with
      forged approvals; or

  3.  When performed by reputable third-party cancelers (as
      determined by the Head Moderator), to cancel articles that are
      widely considered to be undesirable in most of Usenet, e.g.,
      binaries and excessively multi-posted articles ("spam").

  4.  When performed by the Head Moderator, to cancel articles that
      were approved inadvertently, i.e., (to correct "mistakes").

In addition to rejecting inappropriate articles, the moderators may
take measures to discourage users from submitting such articles in the
first place, including:

  1.  Appending short "footers" to all posted articles, informing
      newcomers of the purpose of the newsgroup and providing
      references to more detailed information about the newsgroup, the
      Usenet community, and the Internet in general; and

  2.  E-mailing "welcome"  messages to all first-time posters,
      containing similar information as in (1).

Other than appending a footer or adding headers, the moderators will
not modify the content of a posted article.

The Head Moderator will submit a report to the Moderation Board each
month, providing statistics on the functioning of the group, a summary
of the articles appealed, and a list of any changes to the
Administrative Statement or the moderation software. The Board may
instruct the Head Moderator to eliminate any automatic rejection or
forwarding criterion from the moderation software.

The Board may elect a new Head Moderator if the position becomes
vacant; the Head Moderator or the Board may appoint a Backup
Moderator to fill in for the Head Moderator during short periods of
absence.

The Board also has the power to remove a Head Moderator.  It may
remove a Head Moderator who has been in office for less than six
weeks through a simple majority vote of all members.  A Moderator who
has been in office for more than six weeks may only be removed by a
2/3 majority vote of those who have been on the Board for at least six
weeks.

The Board controls its own membership. It may admit new members with a
simple majority vote, or remove members who have served for less than
six weeks with a simple majority vote. Members who have served longer
than six weeks may only be removed by a 2/3 vote of those who have
been on the Board for at least six weeks. The Board will make a
good-faith effort to maintain a membership of at least three persons.

The working charter for the group may be modified by a 2/3 vote of
those who have been members of the Moderation Board for at least six
weeks.  A copy of the current charter will be available at a location
given in the Administrative Statement.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.asm.x86

Moderator: corylang@magicnet.net (Cory Langston)
Moderator: jim-neil@digital.net (Jim Neil)
Moderator: tl001@sn.no (Tore Lund)
Moderator: ccrayne@pacific.net (Chuck Crayne)
Moderator: gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (David Lindauer)
Moderator: pc1@scigen.co.uk (Phil Carmody)
Moderator: zsw@iol.unh.edu (Zackery Waters)
Moderator: brenner@umr.edu (Corey Brenner)
Moderator: raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com (Ray Moon)
Administrative contact address: corylang@magicnet.net
Article submission address: corylang@magicnet.net

END MODERATOR INFO.

comp.lang.asm.x86 (moderates existing group) Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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add@csolve.net                                                    Mike Monett
alan.ralph@ukonline.co.uk                                          Alan Ralph
ark@research.att.com                                            Andrew Koenig
balloon@eraserco.demon.co.uk                                   Malcolm Loades
becker@arkres.com                                                 Bill Becker
Beland@upei.ca                                   Marc Beland <Beland@upei.ca>
beppu@ea.oac.uci.edu                                               John Beppu
bikenaga@marauder.millersv.edu                                  Bruce Ikenaga
blackbird@modebox.gun.de                                                 Iber
BLBPersEng@aol.com                                         Brian Lloyd Bishop
bmd@torcon.com                                                 Bruce DeVisser
brenner@umr.edu                                         Corey Douglas Brenner
bsmith@sudleyplace.com                                              Bob Smith
btrot@geocities.com                                           Brendan Trotter
bw5573@Bristol.ac.uk                                             Ben Williams
c.v.willegen@spc.nl                                       Christ van Willegen
callahan@oly.silverlink.net                                       Rick Spates
camelid@sofnet.com                                               John Schnoor
carey@holmes.ucdavis.edu                                       Carey Huscroft
chriseb@nortel.ca                                              Chris Ebenezer
coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU                                   Michele Coleman
combee@techwood.org                                                Ben Combee
corylang@magicnet.net                                        Cory M. Langston
d.kiely@ieee.org                                                    Don Kiely
d95-rpe@nospam.nada.kth.se                                     Roland Persson
Dan.Pop@cern.ch                                                       Dan Pop
danbates@flash.net                                            Daniel L. Bates
dant@ibm.net                                                      Dan Tyrrell
Darryl_Palmer_Jr@msn.com                                    Darryl Palmer Jr.
DavMac@iname.com                                                 Davin McCall
deeng@inficad.com                                                  Joel Hardy
dstokely@worldnet.att.net                                       David Stokely
Ed_Beroset@msn.com                                                 Ed Beroset
eli@NetUSA.Net                                                  B. E. Griffin
elling@post1.tele.dk                                            Morten Elling
ericl@emu.com                                                   Eric W. Lange
erik@hannibal.campus.luth.se                                    Erik Lundgren
erw@dde.dk                                                 Erwin S. Andreasen
etldlcs@etlxdmx.ericsson.se                                      Dan Chalmers
eugeneng@pacific.net.sg                                             Eugene Ng
euthke@siam.muc.de                                             Ekkehard Uthke
farquhar@wny.com                                              Halina Farquhar
faybs@iafrica.com                                                Fabian Nunez
femcon@dalnet.se                                               Kimmo Juujarvi
Fernando.Manuel.Ramos.Soares@uninova.pt                       Fernando Soares
filipe@individual.eunet.pt                                             Filipe
foggy@mailbox.dsnet.it                                         Roberto Orsini
frank.faubert@sympatico.ca                                      Frank Faubert
fred@genesis.demon.co.uk                                       Lawrence Kirby
frvit@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de                                     Oliver Obst
fw@cygnus.stuttgart.netsurf.de                                 Florian Weimer
gavin@senator.demon.co.uk                                         Gavin Estey
gbzzrgxs@ibmmail.com                      Geoff Stevens (Geoffrey de Veloper)
gclind01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu                           David Lindauer
gerrit@fs1.bouw.tno.nl                                          G.J. Doornink
ghane@cmie.ernet.in                                           Sanjeev K Gupta
gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org                                    Mark Gibson
gls@infinet.com                                                 Gary L. Smith
grd2@rfc.comm.harris.com                                       Gary R. Dennis
gregfra@microsoft.com                                           Greg Franklin
greg_elkin@phoenix.com                                             Greg Elkin
grovej@capes1.vector.co.za                                      Jacques Grove
GSPENCER@a1.stim.tec.tn.us                                      Garry Spencer
guymacon@deltanet.com                                               Guy Macon
Hank_Oredson@MENTORG.COM                                         Hank Oredson
Heinrich.Schramm@t-online.de                                 Heinrich Schramm
hendrida@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be                                 Danny Hendrickx
hh299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu                                    Jim Baranovich
hoh@approve.se                                                  Goran Larsson
hugo.parr@login.eunet.no                                     Leif Ragnar Parr
ian@ikingston.demon.co.uk                                        Ian Kingston
inocent@exis.net                                     Robert August Vincent II
j414@midway.uchicago.edu                                   Mary-Frances Jagod
jackklein@worldnet.att.net                                         Jack Klein
janoss@hpvcln.vcd.hp.com                                    Janos Szamosfalvi
jcoffin@taeus.com                                                Jerry Coffin
JDTucker@PrairieNet.Org                                          James Tucker
jennfoo@mindspring.com                                       Charles Hoffmann
jesp@intercable.net                                     Jesus Eugenio Sanchez
jfoy@muq.org                                                         Jeff Foy
jgd@cix.compulink.co.uk                                          John Dallman
jim-neil@digital.net                                                 Jim Neil
jim@jtan.com                                                        Jim Paris
jkirwan@ix.netcom.com                                         Jonathan Kirwan
jmartin@ugrad.cs.ualberta.ca                                       Jon Martin
jmiettin@cc.joensuu.fi                                         Jani Miettinen
jmlait@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca                                  Jeff Lait
johmann@atlantic.net                                             Kurt Johmann
john@curved-logic.com                                            John Harries
john@polo.demon.co.uk                                         John H. Winters
johnb@flashpnt.com                                             John Bernstein
John_Mccue/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com                                  John F. McCue
jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov                                        J. Porter Clark
jrr@atml.co.uk                                                   John Rickard
jwdare@novia.net                                            J. Ward Dare, Jr.
jwilloug@gate.net                                            Jason Willoughby
JZXGY9@MSUSAH02.MIAHM01.eds.com                              Ralph L. DeCarli
kagroves@globec.com.au                                             Kim Groves
kalle@dalheimer.hh.eunet.de                          Matthias Kalle Dalheimer
kkoniec@mks.com.pl                                            Kamil Konieczny
kro@post3.tele.dk                                                  Karl Olsen
kugelman@mnsinc.com                                             John Kugelman
kvigor@ascend.com                                                 Kevin Vigor
kwmelvin@nr.infi.net                                        Kenneth W. Melvin
L.Serni@agora.stm.it                                           Leonardo Serni
Laurent.Garnier@irisa.fr                                      Laurent Garnier
lindsay-j@rmc.ca                                                 John Lindsay
list-votes@dream.hb.north.de                                 Martin Schr"oder
lynch@cci.de                                                     Andrew Lynch
M.A.Brown-4@sms.ed.ac.uk                                 Mark Alexander Brown
M.Biddiscombe@ucl.ac.uk                                    Martin Biddiscombe
M.Ferenduros@btinternet.com                                Michael Ferenduros
Mark_Sashihara@mta1.lotus.com                                  Mark Sashihara
marl@rmplc.co.uk                                                         Liam
mayhew@wku.edu                                                   Larry Mayhew
mbest@com.org                                                    Michael Best
mbm@mort.demon.co.uk                                       Malcolm Mladenovic
mduigou@fwb.com                                                   Mike Duigou
mellon+usenet@pobox.com                                       Anatoly Vorobey
michael@fagmed.uit.no                                            Michael Hinz
Michael_Goldbach@tbb.maus.de                                 Michael Goldbach
Mick.Brown@ibm.net                                                 Mick Brown
mike.paff@cubic.com                                              Michael Paff
mkl@rob.cs.tu-bs.de                                             Mario Klebsch
ml@otherkids.com                                                Matt Lundberg
mlh@zip.com.au                                               Matthew Hannigan
mmastrac@acs.ucalgary.ca                                       Matt Mastracci
naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de                               Christian Weisgerber
Nicolas.Moureaux@loria.fr                                    Nicolas Moureaux
Nigel.Bruin.1559489@bnr.ca                                        Nigel Bruin
niki@arima.ee.sun.ac.za                                        Niki Steenkamp
nothing@pi.net
p.steiner@t-online.de                                           Peter Steiner
patrick.dostert@cie.etat.lu                                   DOSTERT Patrick
Paul.Bernhardt@m.cc.utah.edu                                   Paul Bernhardt
Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net                                       Paul N. Lee
Paul@pcrompton.demon.co.uk                                      Paul Crompton
Paul_Mohr@juno.com                                                  Paul Mohr
paxil@inorth.on.ca                                             Trevor Tymchuk
pc1@scigen.co.uk                                                 Phil Carmody
pete@lmic.state.mn.us                                              Pete Olson
pfg@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU                               Paul Francis Gilbert
pfund3@uni2a.unige.ch                                            Daniel Pfund
piarulli@got.it                                                Bruno Piarulli
PRINSRA@WCG.CO.UK                                             Robert AH Prins
pwolf@qualcomm.com                                                  Paul Wolf
qed@chromatic.com                                                  Paul Hsieh
r.blum@advertainment.com                                          Robert Blum
rauge@hay.net                                                         R. Augi
rayb@shofixti.fc.hp.com                                       Raymond Bingham
raymoon@moonware.dgsys.com                                       Raymond Moon
RBOliver@ix.netcom.com                                       Robert B. Oliver
rene.herman@tip.nl                                                Rene Herman
rhyde@cs.ucr.edu                                                 Randall Hyde
ribwoods@execpc.com                                          Richard B. Woods
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                               Richard Miller
rrughoon@mipos3.intel.com                                   Rudi Rughoonundon
s207117@student.uq.edu.au                                      Shiyaz Rasheed
s990400@oberon.hs.gettysburg.edu                                 Gregg Kelley
salyzyn@dpt.com                                                  Mark Salyzyn
samir@miami.mindspring.com                                        Sam Barjoud
samuelc@cgy.valmet.com                                            Samuel Chow
sandmann@clio.rice.edu                                       Charles Sandmann
schuld@btv.ibm.com                                           David W. Schuler
scott@calvin.gawd.mb.ca                                       Scott Armstrong
scottm@interlog.com                                              Scott Murray
sdrake@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca                                     Steve Drake
seebs@solon.com                                                 Peter Seebach
sgs1@scigen.co.uk                                                 Gavin Smyth
sneeches@cruzio.com                                        Christopher Mangum
stever@owl.co.uk                                                  Steven Reid
SteveRush@aol.com                                             Stephen J. Rush
stoferj@nationwide.com                                           James Stofer
T.Bowden@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK                                     Tony Bowden
TanAlpha@aol.com                                             Walter Saegesser
tcnagy@novice.uwaterloo.ca                                           Tom Nagy
techint@winternet.com                                              ed bertsch
tennyo.muc.de!martin@tennyo.muc.de                             Martin Goebbel
terryc@tenberry.com                                            Terry Colligan
thogard@not.abnormal.com                                           Tim Hogard
thomas@bass.almac.co.uk                                     Thomas Molesworth
tl001@sn.no                                                         Tore Lund
tonyb@null.net                                                   Tony Basoglu
trill@xnetbook.demon.co.uk                                    James MacDonald
tudor@CAM.ORG                                               Tutu Tudor Victor
tuomo@cs.chalmers.se                                            Tuomo Takkula
TUTTLEdj@aol.com                                                  Doug Tuttle
usurper@euronet.nl                                                Paul Mesken
v-donn@wolfram.com                                                Don Neufeld
vesa.karjalainen@hel.fi                                      Vesa Karjalainen
vlad@tarzan.cr.cyco.com                                   Vladislav Kaipetsky
wgalazka@chem.uw.edu.pl                                      Wojciech Galazka
widenius@ling.helsinki.fi                                      Risto Widenius
wmcclain@salamander.com                                       William McClain
wmm@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr                                        William McNicol
ykhan@achilles.net                                                Yousuf Khan
zach@instantplanet.com                                             Zach Baker
ZARDOS@picca.ndh.com                                             Randolf Boes

Voted No
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AlanLivingston@acm.org                                     Alan J. Livingston
booda@datasync.com                                            Martin H. Booda
carroll@tjc.com                                                 Terry Carroll
dputzolu@teleport.com                                        David M. Putzolu
gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu                                          G.P. Ryan
huug@poboxes.com                                                         huug
john1@world.std.com                                               Fred Cherry
k95dl01@cc.kzoo.edu                                                Dan Lawson
m.maury@jakebox.sax.east.de                                       Marco Maury
maskedfrog@iquest.net                                           George Willis
msoysal@mistik.express.net                                Mustafa Soysal MS57
olav@viking.mv.com                                            Olav Nieuwejaar
patl@lcs.mit.edu                                          Patrick J. LoPresti
peter@seahaze.demon.co.uk                                         Peter Hayes
red@rahul.net                                                             CCI
stainles@bga.com                                                 Dwight Brown
tlawson@amug.org                                               Todd C. Lawson
torsop@ix.netcom.com                                        James Van Buskirk
walterco@adnc.com                                              Barbara Walter

Abstained
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kebera@achilles.net                                           Krishna E. Bera


Votes in error
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mg31233@gaia.swip.net                                        Ronald Nordberg.
   ! No ballot
Simon.Lodal@intercomputing.dk                                     Simon Lodal
   ! No vote statement in message
spamoff@forgetit.com.au                                           paul hamden
   ! Invalid address
user@mindspring.com                                               Isaac Clark
   ! Invalid address

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