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From [email protected] Mon Aug 24 11:04:39 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.pop
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: darn sight better than Lisp :)
Keywords: AI programming
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 14:15:43 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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This is a request for discussion on a new group 'comp.lang.pop'.

The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and
related environments and libraries.

Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming
(from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI
standards effort (Pop9x).

Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment
and its libraries. Eg.

    OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc.
    X windows hacking in Pop11
    Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that
    is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other, pure
    language, groups
    Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language
    after all :)

and so on.

These sorts of discussions have so far been supported by a mailing list. But
the list is now far too unwieldy (>400 members). Universities are a constant
hassle for the mailing list, with students leaving and joining all the time. A
news group would serve these people much better.

Bandwidth is quite low.

The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for
the industrial members with no internet access.

We seem to have done things backwards. We have a user group (Plug), an archive
server, conferences and a standards effort, but no news group. I hope to
rectify this :-)
-- 
             Ian Rogers - Research Fellow type dogsbody person :)
     School of Cognitive Science, Sussex University, Falmer, Brighton, UK
             "Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe,"
           said Slartibartfast, "there is a reason" - Douglas Adams

From [email protected] Thu Sep 24 18:20:28 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: CFV: comp.lang.pop
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: darn sight better than Lisp :)
Keywords: AI programming
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 12:24:05 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
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This is a Call For Votes on a new group 'comp.lang.pop' (unmoderated).

The RFD was posted on August 24. There has been support in both news.groups
and the popforum mailing list.

The only discussion has been about the name. comp.lang.pop has been
retained (as opposed to c.l.pop11 or c.l.poplog) as this gives the group a
more general coverage.

The only change to the group description has been to extend it to cover
"Pop11 like" languages (the full charter is included below).

In accordance with guidelines, votes should be unambiguous and should only
address this single issue. Two separate aliases have been set up for the vote
taking process.

        YES votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote YES to comp.lang.pop

        NO votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote NO to comp.lang.pop

Voting is now open and will finish at 12 midnight (GMT), Saturday 24th October

Ian Rogers
Plug Treasurer


---- comp.lang.pop Charter ----------------------------------------------

The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and
related environments, libraries, languages and the Plug User Group.

Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming
(from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI
standards effort (Pop9x), and how it relates to other languages of this type
(e.g. GLOW, Pepper).

Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment
and its libraries. Eg.

    OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. and how they relate to other
        OOP languages (C++, CLOS etc.)
    X windows hacking in Pop11
    Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that
        is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other,
        pure language, groups
    Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language
        after all :)

and so on.

The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for
the industrial members with no internet access.
-- 
             Ian Rogers - Research Fellow type dogsbody person :)
     School of Cognitive Science, Sussex University, Falmer, Brighton, UK
             "Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe,"
           said Slartibartfast, "there is a reason" - Douglas Adams

From [email protected] Tue Oct 13 12:51:06 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.lang.pop
Keywords: AI programming
Followup-To: poster
Approved: [email protected]
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:41:18 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Lines: 168

This is the 2nd Call For Votes on a new group 'comp.lang.pop' (unmoderated).

The RFD was posted on August 24. The 1st CVF was posted on September 24th.

Voting is still open and ends at 12 midnight (GMT), Saturday 24th October

In accordance with guidelines, votes should be unambiguous and should only
address this single issue. Two separate aliases have been set up for the vote
taking process.

        YES votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote yes to comp.lang.pop

        NO votes should be of the form:

To: [email protected]
Subject: I vote no to comp.lang.pop


---- comp.lang.pop Charter ----------------------------------------------

The group would serve for discussions on the programming language Pop11, and
related environments, libraries, languages and the Plug User Group.

Relevant topics, in this group, would cover all aspects of Pop11 programming
(from novice questions to expert efficiency issues) and the current BSI
standards effort (Pop9x), and how it relates to other languages of this type
(e.g. GLOW, Pepper).

Also relevant would be conversations about the Poplog programming environment
and its libraries. Eg.

    OOP in Pop11 Flavours, or objectclass etc. and how they relate to other
        OOP languages (C++, CLOS etc.)
    X windows hacking in Pop11 and the Poplog widget set.
    Mixed language programming (eg. between Lisp/Pop11/Prolog/ML/C etc.) that
        is supported in Poplog but isn't relevant for discussion in other,
        pure language, groups
    Techniques for Artificial Intelligence programming (it is an AI language
        after all :)

and so on.

The group would be gatewayed, at Univ. of Sussex, onto the mailing list for
the industrial members with no internet access.


--- Vote Acknowledgement ----------------------------------------------

Thank you to those who have taken an interest so far:

    Andy Holyer <[email protected]>
    Chris Thornton <[email protected]>
    Giancarlo Succi <[email protected]>
    Richard Dallaway <richardd>
    Simon Nichols <simonn>
    "Angela.Gilham" <[email protected]>
    "Dom Fox, Civ Eng Research, x 2404" <[email protected]>
    "Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]>
    "Helen Clinch, Cranfield Computer Centre" <[email protected]>
    "Koen De Bosschere (32)91/64.34.06" <[email protected]>
    "T. Kurt Bond, Adminisoft, Inc. 304/472-9520" <[email protected]>
    (Ted Rofe) "A.Rofe" <[email protected]>
    Aaron Sloman <[email protected]>
    Admin <[email protected]>
    Adrian Howard <[email protected]>
    Alan Montgomery <[email protected]>
    Alistair Law <[email protected]>
    Andreas Schoter <[email protected]>
    Andrew Casson <[email protected]>
    Ben Rabau <[email protected]>
    Bernhard Rumpe <[email protected]>
    Bill Kinnersley <[email protected]>
    Calum Gordon <[email protected]>
    Ceri Hopkins <[email protected]>
    Chris Brew <[email protected]>
    Chris Dollin <[email protected]>
    Clark Morton <[email protected]>
    Colin Shearer <[email protected]>
    David Allport <[email protected]>
    David Beasley <[email protected]>
    David S Young <[email protected]>
    Edmund Shing <[email protected]>
    Giancarlo Succi <[email protected]>
    Ian Rogers <[email protected]>
    J C Flack <[email protected]>
    James Goodlet <jamesg>
    Jiashu Wu <[email protected]>
    Jim Ault <[email protected]>
    Jocelyn Paine <[email protected]>
    John Gibson <[email protected]>
    John Williams <[email protected]>
    Jonas Wallgren <[email protected]>
    Jonathan Meyer <[email protected]>
    Julian Clinton <[email protected]>
    Karen Osborne <[email protected]>
    Kevin Busby <[email protected]>
    Kieran Turner <[email protected]>
    Luc Beaudoin <[email protected]>
    MATTHEW WELLS <[email protected]>
    Martin Merry <[email protected]>
    Mike Beech <[email protected]>
    Mike Burton <[email protected]>
    N D Silver <[email protected]>
    Patrick Goldsack <[email protected]>
    Patsie Hughes <[email protected]>
    Paul Vickers <[email protected]>
    Richard Caley <[email protected]>
    Richard Kirby <[email protected]>
    Rob Zanconato <[email protected]>
    Robert.Smith%[email protected]
    Roger Evans <[email protected]>
    Roger Sinnhuber <[email protected]>
    Roly Lishman <[email protected]>
    Samuel J Eaton <[email protected]>
    Stefek Zaba <[email protected]>
    Steve Knight <[email protected]>
    Steve Pitchers <[email protected]>
    Tim Read <[email protected]>
    Tom Khabaza <[email protected]>
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Anthony Worrall)
    [email protected] (Austin G. Hastings)
    [email protected] (Brent W. Benson)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Claude Huss)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (David Kuder)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Scot Dyer)
    [email protected] (Ed McGuire)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Adam Farquhar)
    [email protected] (James Anderson)
    [email protected]
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Jonathan Cunningham)
    [email protected] (Jonathan Rowe)
    [email protected]
    kave eshghi <kave%[email protected]>
    [email protected] (Kim DeVaughn)
    [email protected] (Kevin Mooney)
    [email protected] (Kevin Richards [METOFF])
    [email protected] (Michel Lemoine)
    [email protected] (Mark Linimon)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Pat McManus)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Michael Lazarou)
    [email protected] ("Educated bags" Neilski)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Piers Beckley)
    pop <pop%[email protected]>
    [email protected] (Ray Dunn)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Roger Opperman)
    [email protected] (ruman)
    [email protected] (Ruvan Weerasinghe)
    [email protected] (Scott Barman)
    [email protected] (Scott Wheeler)
    [email protected]
    [email protected] (Steve Rogers)
    [email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
    [email protected] (Thomas E NIELSEN)
    [email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue)
    [email protected] (Teun Hendriks)

From [email protected] Wed Nov  4 10:19:56 1992
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From: [email protected] (Ian Rogers)
Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.pop passes 174:17
Keywords: AI programming
Followup-To: news.groups
Approved: [email protected]
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 13:49:19 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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The proposal for the unmoderated group comp.lang.pop has passed 176:17

The following names were taken from the "From:" field of the vote message.

No votes 17:
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"Eric J. Olson" <[email protected]>
E S Atwell <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Jacques Noye <[email protected]>
Jim Ault <[email protected]>
Jon Lin <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Austin G. Hastings)
[email protected] (James Barrett)
[email protected] (Claude Huss)
d9bertil <[email protected]>
[email protected] (David W. Summers)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Kim DeVaughn)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Roger Opperman)
[email protected] (Scott Barman)
[email protected] (Steve Rogers)

Yes votes 174:
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"A.J.Kightley - Silly hat wearer & Proud" <[email protected]>
"Angela.Gilham" <[email protected]>
"Dom Fox, Civ Eng Research, x 2404" <[email protected]>
"Helen Clinch, Cranfield Computer Centre" <[email protected]>
"Koen De Bosschere (32)91/64.34.06" <[email protected]>
"T. Kurt Bond, Adminisoft, Inc. 304/472-9520" <[email protected]>
(Ted Rofe) "A.Rofe" <[email protected]>
Aaron Sloman <[email protected]>
Admin <[email protected]>
Adrian Howard <[email protected]>
Ajay Gupta <[email protected]>
Alan Montgomery <ala[email protected]>
Alistair Law <[email protected]>
Andreas Schoter <[email protected]>
Andrew Casson <[email protected]>
Andy Holyer <[email protected]>
Andy Norman <[email protected]>
Andy Wood -- British Antarctic Survey <[email protected]>
Arif Abidi [email protected]
Bei Yu - CADC RA on CADC CONFIG project <[email protected]>
Ben Rabau <[email protected]>
Bernhard Rumpe <[email protected]>
Bill Kinnersley <[email protected]>
Bruce Leigh <[email protected]>
Calum Gordon <[email protected]>
Caroline Knight <[email protected]>
Ceri Hopkins <[email protected]>
Chris Brew <[email protected]>
Chris Dollin <[email protected]>
Chris Jobling <[email protected]>
Chris Preist <[email protected]>
Chris Thornton <[email protected]>
Claire Budden <[email protected]>
Clark Morton <[email protected]>
Colin Shearer <[email protected]>
D L O'Brian <[email protected]>
Dave Stevenson <[email protected]>
David Allport <[email protected]>
David Beasley <[email protected]>
David Hobley <[email protected]>
David S Young <[email protected]>
Dermot McIntyre <[email protected]>
Dr. A.H.B.Duffy - CADC Staff <[email protected]>
Edmund Shing <[email protected]>
Gary Polhill <[email protected]>
Giancarlo Succi <[email protected]>
Gihan P Seneviratne <[email protected]>
Gordon Watson <[email protected]>
Graham Higgins <[email protected]>
Ian Craw <[email protected]>
Ian Rogers <[email protected]>
J C Flack <[email protected]>
J M Lake <[email protected]>
James Goodlet <[email protected]>
Jiashu Wu <[email protected]>
Jocelyn Paine <[email protected]>
John Gibson <[email protected]>
John Postoyko <[email protected]>
John Williams <[email protected]>
Jonas Wallgren <[email protected]>
Jonathan Meyer <[email protected]>
Jordan Henderson <[email protected]>
Julian Clinton <[email protected]>
[email protected]
Karen Osborne <[email protected]>
Kevin Busby <[email protected]>
Kieran Turner <[email protected]>
Leila Burrell-Davis <[email protected]>
Linda Montgomery <[email protected]>
Lord Yak Da Hairy <[email protected]>
Luc Beaudoin <[email protected]>
MATTHEW WELLS <[email protected]>
MSC B <[email protected]>
MSc C <[email protected]>
MSc D <[email protected]>
Mark Foster <[email protected]>
Martin Merry <[email protected]>
Martin Shiels <[email protected]>
Mike Beech <[email protected]>
Mike Burton <[email protected]>
Munib A Qutaishat <[email protected]>
N B Idris <[email protected]>
N D Silver <[email protected]>
Nicholas A Ross <[email protected]>
Patrick Goldsack <[email protected]>
Patsie Hughes <[email protected]>
Paul Eccleson <[email protected]>
Paul Vickers <[email protected]>
Pauline Jones <[email protected]>
Peter Hickman <[email protected]>
Peter Williams <[email protected]>
Petya Anguelova Nestorova <[email protected]>
Phillip Allen <[email protected]>
Prof. K.J.MacCallum - CADC Director <[email protected]>
Richard Caley <[email protected]>
Richard Dallaway <richardd>
Richard Hull <[email protected]>
Richard Kirby <[email protected]>
Rob Duncan <[email protected]>
Rob Simpson <[email protected]>
Rob Zanconato <[email protected]>
Robert John Duncan <robd>
Robert.Smith%[email protected]
Roger Evans <[email protected]>
Roger Sinnhuber <[email protected]>
Roly Lishman <[email protected]>
Rudi Lutz <rudil>
Sam Munro <[email protected]>
Samuel Hutton <[email protected]>
Samuel J Eaton <[email protected]>
Simon Nichols <simonn>
Stefek Zaba <[email protected]>
Steve Knight <[email protected]>
Steve Lang <[email protected]>
Steve Pitchers <[email protected]>
Thomas Young <[email protected]>
Tim Read <[email protected]>
Tom Khabaza <[email protected]>
Tor Houghton <[email protected]>
Wolfe <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Anthony Worrall)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bernhard Damberger)
[email protected] (Brent W. Benson)
[email protected] (Calvin)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Chris Dyer)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (David Kuder)
[email protected] (David J Dawkins)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Scot Dyer)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Adam Farquhar)
[email protected] (Geoff Sullivan)
[email protected] (Ivan Fris)
[email protected] (James Anderson)
[email protected] (J. Wu x2085)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jonathan Cunningham)
[email protected] (Jonathan Rowe)
kave eshghi <kave%[email protected]>
[email protected] (Kevin Mooney)
[email protected] (Kevin Richards [METOFF])
[email protected] (Michel Lemoine)
[email protected] (Mark Linimon)
[email protected] (Yuen Lin)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Pat McManus)
[email protected] (Michael Lazarou)
[email protected] ("Educated bags" Neilski)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Piers Beckley)
pop <pop%[email protected]>
[email protected] (Ray Dunn)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ryszard Boryna)
[email protected]
[email protected] (ruman)
[email protected] (Ruvan Weerasinghe)
[email protected] (Scott Wheeler)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Simon Leinen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Stu Labovitz)
[email protected] (Thomas E NIELSEN)
[email protected] (Tim F O'Donoghue)
[email protected] (Teun Hendriks)
[email protected]

 
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