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From russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Mon Mar 29 20:32:36 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc
Subject: RFD: comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail
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With all the talk lately in comp.bbs.waffle about people who don't use
waffle very much, I fear the `real' waffle traffic is being buried.
there was a suggestion very recently that the Unix Wafflers should start
a _mailing_ _list_ - which is not a good sign, since a large amount of
the traffic in the group isn't even about DOS waffle, but uucp-under-dos.

I've seen or been mailed about at least three plans to replace waffle
entirely - and I think there has to be a better place for people to
discuss these things than c.b.w - since they'll have nothing to do
with waffle at all.

I think the time is good for an RFD - as always at this time of year,
there are a lot of people who will be leaving school in just over a
month who will lose their net access.  a lot of these people will have
access to an msdos machine, and many will be able to get a uucp feed
>from where they're currently reading news (or downstream from same).

I am only considering an unmoderated group (I certainly cannot commit
to the time requirements for moderation)

several names have been suggested, and are listed below:

current names suggested:  I have ranked according to my own opinion

  comp.os.msdos.news          would be overrun by new-software-releases,
                                industry developments, etc.

  comp.os.msdos.uucp          too limiting - there's no reason to assume
                                uucp will be the only transfer used

  comp.mail.msdos             too limiting - it eliminates usenet

  news.software.msdos         not sure how well it would go over in news.*
                                (and it eliminates mail)

  comp.bbs.usenet             most of these people won't be using a BBS
                                (and it eliminates mail, technically)

  comp.os.msdos.mail          close - but it eliminates usenet

  comp.os.msdos.usenet        close - but it eliminates mail

  comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail   even closer - almost perfect, actually (it
                                is a longer name, but (imho) not too long)

there might easily be enough demand for both comp.bbs.usenet AND
comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail, but I am more interested in the latter.

proposed charter ideas:

  [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]

  [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such
  a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under
  comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]

  - anything involving running uucp under msdos
  - anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos
  - anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos

  - there are areas of overlap with other groups, and threads will likely
    start in this group that will move over (via a Followup-To: header at
    that point) to a more appropriate set of groups.  I suspect common
    examples would include:

      comp.bbs.waffle             specific to waffle only
      comp.mail.uucp              specific to mail under uucp
      news.admin.misc             news administration not specific to msdos

  - crossposting would be encouraged when applicable (eg. crossposting
    to comp.bbs.waffle when announcing an msdos package that works with
    uucp/mail/news in general and waffle in particular) and discouraged
    when inapplicable (eg. crossposting to comp.bbs.waffle when there is
    little or no relevance to waffle users).  in other words, this would
    be a normal, unmoderated group.

I know of the UUDOS mailing list, but my mail to the poster of the list
announcement bounced back eventually.

I know of the UUPC mailing list, and am told the traffic is a couple of
messages per day.  this message will be sent to the list.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c

From russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Wed Apr 14 15:42:24 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.os.msdos.mail-news
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This is a 2nd Request for Discussion.
The first used the name `comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail'.

I have had multiple positive reactions, and only two negative reactions,
>from the first RFD
  - one indicated he felt the new group was not necessary (no reasons
    given)
  - two indicated the segment `usenet-mail' would be confusing, so I
    have changed the ordering, and changed `usenet' to `news', to
    avoid any problems with alt.*, biz.*, etc. seeming off-charter

it had also been requested that I include a couple more RFCs in the
charter - they are similar to those already in place, so I added them.

with all the talk lately in comp.bbs.waffle about people who don't use
waffle very much, I fear the `real' waffle traffic is being buried.
there was a suggestion very recently that the Unix Wafflers should start
a _mailing_ _list_ - which is not a good sign, since a large amount of
the traffic in the group isn't even about DOS waffle, but uucp-under-dos.

I've seen or been mailed about at least three plans to replace waffle
entirely - and I think there has to be a better place for people to
discuss these things than c.b.w - since they'll have nothing to do
with waffle at all.

I think the time is good for an RFD - as always at this time of year,
there are a lot of people who will be leaving school in a few weeks
who will lose their net access.  a lot of these people will have
access to an msdos machine, and many will be able to get a uucp feed
>from where they're currently reading news (or downstream from same).

I am only considering an unmoderated group (I certainly cannot commit
to the time requirements for moderation)

several names have been suggested, and are listed below:

current names suggested:  I have ranked according to my own opinion

  comp.os.msdos.news          would be overrun by new-software-releases,
                                industry developments, etc.

  comp.os.msdos.uucp          too limiting - there's no reason to assume
                                uucp will be the only transfer used

  comp.mail.msdos             too limiting - it eliminates usenet

  news.software.msdos         not sure how well it would go over in news.*
                                (and it eliminates mail)

  comp.bbs.usenet             most of these people won't be using a BBS
                                (and it eliminates mail, technically)

  comp.os.msdos.mail          close - but it eliminates usenet

  comp.os.msdos.usenet        close - but it eliminates mail

  comp.os.msdos.usenet-mail   even closer - almost perfect, actually (it
                                is a longer name, but (imho) not too long)

  comp.os.msdos.mail-news     avoids problems with misinterpretation that
                                a few people had

there might easily be enough demand for both comp.bbs.usenet AND
comp.os.msdos.mail-news, but I am more interested in the latter.

proposed charter ideas:

  [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]

  [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such
  a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under
  comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]

  - anything involving running uucp under msdos
  - anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos
  - anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos
  - anything involving PCMAIL (RFC1056) under msdos
  - anything involving Post Office Protocol (RFC1225) under msdos

  - there are areas of overlap with other groups, and threads will likely
    start in this group that will move over (via a Followup-To: header at
    that point) to a more appropriate set of groups.  I suspect common
    examples would include:

      comp.bbs.waffle             specific to waffle only
      comp.mail.uucp              specific to mail under uucp
      news.admin.misc             news administration not specific to msdos

  - crossposting would be encouraged when applicable (eg. crossposting
    to comp.bbs.waffle when announcing an msdos package that works with
    uucp/mail/news in general and waffle in particular) and discouraged
    when inapplicable (eg. crossposting to comp.bbs.waffle when there is
    little or no relevance to waffle users).  in other words, this would
    be a normal, unmoderated group.

I know of the UUDOS mailing list, but my mail to the poster of the list
announcement bounced back eventually.

I know of the UUPC mailing list, and am told the traffic is a couple of
messages per day.  this message will be sent to the list.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c

From russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Wed May 26 17:07:42 1993
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
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Subject: CFV: comp.os.msdos.mail-news
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[ this was also discussed under the names c.o.m.uucp and c.o.m.usenet-mail ]

Moderation:

  this proposal is for an unmoderated group.


Voting:

                      *************************

  In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a mail
message to the address mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu.  If your site does
not understand that address, you might try:

        mail-server%rtfm.mit.edu@athena.mit.edu
        mit-athena!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server
        uunet!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server

If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can
help you address the mail properly.  Posted votes will not be counted.
Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted.

  Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, in the
body of the mail message:

        vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news yes
        vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news no
        vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news abstain

The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation
of the newsgroup.  The third line cancels any previous vote for or
against the creation of the newsgroup.  Multiple voting messages from
the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes
are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only
one counted.  The subject line of your mail will be ignored.

  You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its
receipt, within two days.  If you do not, or if you have some other
problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to
owner-mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu.

  The hardware resources for vote collection are being provided by the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.  The vote-collection software
is being provided by Jonathan Kamens <jik@GZA.COM>.  The manpower
necessary to collect the votes is being provided by Jonathan Kamens
and Geer Zolot Associates.  MIT, Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot
Associates have nothing to do with the newsgroup proposal; they're
just collecting the votes as a neutral third party.

                      *************************

  votes must arrive by mail at the above address in the above format
  between 1993-May-20 00:00:00 GMT and 1993-Jun-15 23:59:59 GMT to
  be counted.


Charter:

  [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]

  [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such
    a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under
    comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]

  on-charter topics include:

    - almost anything involving running uucp under msdos
    - almost anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos
    - almost anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos
    - almost anything involving PCMAIL (RFC1056) under msdos
    - almost anything involving Post Office Protocol (RFC1225) under msdos

  similar RFCs will also be discussed, as they become available.

Copies:

  this CFV will be sent to the UUPC mailing list
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c

From russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Fri Jun 11 15:54:55 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,news.admin.misc,alt.usenet.offline-reader,alt.bbs
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.msdos.mail-news
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[ this was also discussed under the names c.o.m.uucp and c.o.m.usenet-mail ]

Moderation:

  this proposal is for an unmoderated group.


Voting:

                      *************************

  In order to vote for or against this newsgroup, you must send a mail
message to the address mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu.  If your site does
not understand that address, you might try:

        mail-server%rtfm.mit.edu@athena.mit.edu
        mit-athena!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server
        uunet!rtfm.mit.edu!mail-server

If none of these addresses works, talk to someone at your site who can
help you address the mail properly.  Posted votes will not be counted.
Votes mailed to the poster of this message will not be counted.

  Your mail should contain one of the following three lines, in the
body of the mail message:

        vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news yes
        vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news no
        vote comp.os.msdos.mail-news abstain

The first two lines register a vote either for or against the creation
of the newsgroup.  The third line cancels any previous vote for or
against the creation of the newsgroup.  Multiple voting messages from
the same person must be sent from the same address.  If multiple votes
are received from the same person, the last vote received is the only
one counted.  The subject line of your mail will be ignored.

  You should receive a response to your vote, acknowledging its
receipt, within two days.  If you do not, or if you have some other
problem with voting, you can get help by sending mail to
owner-mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu.

  The hardware resources for vote collection are being provided by the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.  The vote-collection software
is being provided by Jonathan Kamens <jik@GZA.COM>.  The manpower
necessary to collect the votes is being provided by Jonathan Kamens
and Geer Zolot Associates.  MIT, Jonathan Kamens and Geer Zolot
Associates have nothing to do with the newsgroup proposal; they're
just collecting the votes as a neutral third party.

                      *************************

  votes must arrive by mail at the above address in the above format
  between 1993-May-20 00:00:00 GMT and 1993-Jun-15 23:59:59 GMT to
  be counted.


Charter:

  [ use of `msdos' can be interpreted as `msdos and compatibles' ]

  [ traffic relating to ms-windows and os/2 would be welcome until such
    a time (if ever) that traffic warranted creation of groups under
    comp.os.ms-windows and/or comp.os.os2 ]

  on-charter topics include:

    - almost anything involving running uucp under msdos
    - almost anything involving usenet (RFC1036) under msdos
    - almost anything involving DNS mail (RFC822) under msdos
    - almost anything involving PCMAIL (RFC1056) under msdos
    - almost anything involving Post Office Protocol (RFC1225) under msdos

  similar RFCs will also be discussed, as they become available.

Copies:

  the original CFV was sent to the UUPC mailing list

thank-you to all those who have already voted.  my name is not yet
on the list, as the original CFV hasn't made it back to my site yet
(and likely never will) due to news flow problems, but I do intend
to vote.

Vote Ack:

[ note:  I, Russell Schulz, have no idea how these votes were cast, as
I am not the vote-taker.  this is simply the list that Jonathan so
kindly provided me with minutes after I asked him (thanks again!).  the
Reply-To: address for this 2nd CFV is set to the mail-server which
collects the votes, not to myself as the first CFV was.  I have not
yet scanned for duplicates/fishy-looking votes/what-have-you, but
this will, of course, be done at the end of the voting period. ]

``
Here's a list of people who have voted as of approximately midnight
EDT this morning.

Voters:

"Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" <ache@astral.msk.su>
Adrian Miranda <ade@vancouver.wsu.edu>
aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot)
Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a <al198723@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
amd@wormhole.ccs.com (Andrew M. Davenport)
anderson@optical.bms.com (Jay Anderson)
aranita@wn.muc.de (aranita)
Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au
Jim Ault <aultj@rpi.edu>
axa12@po.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)
ben@nj8j.atl.ga.us
bernard@irvine.dg.com (Steve Bernard)
bert@medley.ssdl.com
"Bryan Koen" <bkoen@freestl.strydr.com>
bmork@opus-ovh.spk.wa.us (Brian)
brian@eitech.com (Brian Smithson)
brynell@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Brynell)
Cameron Spitzer 764-6339 <camerons@nad.3com.com>
electro!carlo@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Carlo Sgro)
carlos@dorsai.dorsai.org
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu
"John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com>
dan@smoggy.speedway.net (Daniel Mahoney)
dave@telco-nac.com (David Cornejo)
davec@wsti.demon.co.uk
dcs@witsend.tnet.com
"Scott Deshaies" <deshaies@vanguard.hmp.com>
dgruhn@fuzzy.eskimo.com (Dave Gruhn)
dk%relay1.cs.kiev.ua@relay.ussr.eu.net (Dmitry S. Kohmanyuk)
Darragh O'Grady <dog@ieunet.ie>
Ed Moore <edmoore@hpvclc.vcd.hp.com>
efs@summa4.mv.com (Ed Sinamark)
"Eric J. Olson" <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
eoin@xocolatl.com
"Eric L. Thav" <eric@sunrise.cse.fau.edu>
eric@tgm.cam.org (Eric Trepanier)
Hardcore Alaskan <FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu>
gabe@angus.mi.org (Gabe Helou)
garfield@verdi.sra.com (David Garfield)
gatech!concert.net!dmntor!ptan@eddie.mit.edu
gatech!zeisler.lonestar.org!rodger@eddie.mit.edu
Roberto Giuliani <giu@necsy.it>
"Glen (G.) Martin" <glenm@bnr.ca>
greg@ideath.goldenbear.com (Greg Broiles)
guthrie@miu.edu (Greg Guthrie)
hajo@quijote.in-berlin.de (Hans-Joachim Zierke)
hamish@cloud.apana.org.au (Hamish Moffatt)
heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau)
hen3ry@datalingus.cactus.org
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com (B.J.)
Ismo.Peltonen@tower.nullnet.fi
jeroens@rulfc1.leidenuniv.nl (Jeroen Smulders)
Jerry Kaufman <jerryb@eskimo.com>
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Jeff Gostin <jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us>
jh@nbn.com (John Harkin)
Jim.Marshall@f1.n379.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Marshall)
jim@vpm.icl.co.uk (Jim Cheetham)
"Jim Horn" <jimh@noller.com>
"John Ladwig" <jladwig@soils.umn.edu>
jls@atg.com
jnoh@genesis.mcs.com (Jay W. Noh)
johannes.beekhuizen@contrast.wlink.nl
James B. Pratt III <jpratt@holonet.net>
jtower@yoda.ssc.gov (Tower Jim)
kjhoule@iowegia.dsm.ia.us (Kevin Houle)
Karl Kleine <kleine@fzi.de>
"Michael Levin" <levin@magnus.sr.com>
"Louis Valentino" <louis@netacsys.com>
"Peter Lyman" <lyman@spacesoft.com>
"Mark Nichols" <Mark@belserv.com>
markd@bushwire.apana.org.au (Mark Delany)
sandia!marms@cs.unm.edu (Mike Arms)
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
mike@seb.se
Murray Nesbitt <mjn@pseudo.uucp>
"Mike McLagan" <mmclagan@invlogic.com>
"Mr. Noise" <mrnoise@econs.umass.edu>
msp@pos.apana.org.au (Mark Purcell)
naleks@countway.med.harvard.edu
oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au
pascoe@rocky.tntn.gtegsc.com (Dave Pascoe)
patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Jay Pfaffman <pfaffman@relax.des.edu>
"Paul Harrington (Reptile)" <phrrngtn@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
plate@infotek.dk
"Peter Mantos" <pmantos@mantos.com>
PSAKROEN@work14.physik.uni-bonn.de (Arno Krner)
rainer@rias.com (Rainer Doerrer)
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
ric@risc5.irsip.na.cnr.it
Rich Wales <richw@mks.com>
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Rick Ellis <rick@ofa123.fidonet.org>
"Richard J. Wyble" <rjw@rjwhome.dmc.com>
Robert.Pearson@njackn.com (Robert Pearson)
ROGER@triplex.socal.com
root@baffin.uu.holonet.net (Ron Perry)
root@biochemistry.bioc.cwru.edu
rpd3@futserv.austin.ibm.com (Roland Dunkerley)
"S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail" <sabre@sabri.pc.my>
seila!llyene.jpl.nasa.gov!seila!don@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
steve@nyongwa.cam.org (Steve M. Robbins)
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
Thomas.E.Taylor@gagme.chi.il.us (Thomas E Taylor)
thorsten@radar.mk.open.de (Thorsten Kitz)
Timothy VanFosson <timv@ccad.uiowa.edu>
tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
"Andriamananjara Tahirisoa Rajaona" <tra%tgis@incstar.com>
"Vincent D. Skahan" <vds7789@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com>
vote-ack@warren.demon.co.uk
w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
wes@wes.win.net (Wes Rishel)
xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
zconcept@netcom.com (Mike Peeler)
"Daniel Zirin" <ziridan@echosphere.com>
''
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Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c

From russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Wed Jun 23 21:14:13 1993
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.os.msdos.mail-news passes 140:21
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RESULT: comp.os.msdos.mail-news PASSES 140:21

thank-you to all who voted.

thank-you especially to Jonathan Kamens, MIT, and Geer Zolot
Associates for collecting the votes.

although the guidelines say the vote taker should post the
results, Jonathan has mailed me the results, I have re-checked
them, and am doing the posting.

this result (without the ACK) is being send to the UUPC mailing
list.

assuming no other duplicates are found within five days of this
posting going out in news.announce.newgroups, uunet will send out the
newgroup message.

validity check:

% yes = 140/161 = 86%
yes-no = 140-21 = 119

apparent Yes duplicates:  (eliminated from totals)

mikey@slic.cts.com
mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)

rick@lant (Rick Ellis)
Rick Ellis <rick@ofa123.fidonet.org>

"yes" votes (140):

settle <@bt-web.bt.co.uk:settle@8284>
"Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" <ache@astral.msk.su>
aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot)
amd@wormhole.ccs.com (Andrew M. Davenport)
anderson@optical.bms.com (Jay Anderson)
andras@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Andras Salamon)
andy@ais-dortmund.de (Andreas Heidemann)
aranita@wn.muc.de (aranita)
Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au
atilghma@netcom.com (Adam G. Tilghman)
Jim Ault <aultj@rpi.edu>
axa12@po.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)
axel@niva.han.de (Axel Wilzopolski)
bem@residents.fr.mugnet.org (Emmanuel Bataille)
ben@nj8j.atl.ga.us
bernard@irvine.dg.com (Steve Bernard)
bert@medley.ssdl.com
bise@patchby.speedway.net
"Bryan Koen" <bkoen@freestl.strydr.com>
bram@fangorn.hacktic.nl (Bram Smits)
brendan@cs.washington.edu (Brendan Mumey)
brian@eitech.com (Brian Smithson)
cambler@cymbal.calpoly.edu
Cameron Spitzer 764-6339 <camerons@nad.3com.com>
electro!carlo@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Carlo Sgro)
carlos@dorsai.dorsai.org
chrisw@fnkytwn.wa.com (Chris Wilson)
"John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com>
dan@smoggy.speedway.net (Daniel Mahoney)
daniel@blackhl.hacktic.nl (Daniel Ockeloen)
davec@wsti.demon.co.uk
dcs@witsend.tnet.com
"Scott Deshaies" <deshaies@vanguard.hmp.com>
devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
dgruhn@fuzzy.eskimo.com (Dave Gruhn)
dk%relay1.cs.kiev.ua@relay.ussr.eu.net (Dmitry S. Kohmanyuk)
dmdscs!viamar!kmembry@rutgers.edu
Darragh O'Grady <dog@ieunet.ie>
Ed Moore <edmoore@hpvclc.vcd.hp.com>
efs@summa4.mv.com (Ed Sinamark)
eoin@xocolatl.com
"Eric L. Thav" <eric@sunrise.cse.fau.edu>
eric@tgm.cam.org (Eric Trepanier)
Hardcore Alaskan <FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu>
garfield@verdi.sra.com (David Garfield)
gatech!concert.net!dmntor!ptan@eddie.mit.edu
gatech!zeisler.lonestar.org!rodger@eddie.mit.edu
GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Roberto Giuliani <giu@necsy.it>
"Glen (G.) Martin" <glenm@bnr.ca>
grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
greg@ideath.goldenbear.com (Greg Broiles)
gt0670e@prism.gatech.edu (Brennan Tennesen Price)
guthrie@miu.edu (Greg Guthrie)
hajo@quijote.in-berlin.de (Hans-Joachim Zierke)
hamish@cloud.apana.org.au (Hamish Moffatt)
heinau@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau)
hen3ry@datalingus.cactus.org
herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com (B.J.)
Ismo.Peltonen@tower.nullnet.fi
Jack Otto <JackOtto@kohanga.chap.vuw.ac.nz>
jeroens@rulfc1.leidenuniv.nl (Jeroen Smulders)
Jerry Kaufman <jerryb@eskimo.com>
Jeff Gostin <jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us>
jh@nbn.com (John Harkin)
Jim.Marshall@f1.n379.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Marshall)
jim@vpm.icl.co.uk (Jim Cheetham)
"Jim Horn" <jimh@noller.com>
jkilday@nlbbs.com (Jack Kilday)
"John Ladwig" <jladwig@soils.umn.edu>
jls@atg.com
johannes.beekhuizen@contrast.wlink.nl
James B. Pratt III <jpratt@holonet.net>
jtower@yoda.ssc.gov (Tower Jim)
Justin C. Norman <justin@m2xenix.psg.com>
kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri)
kilgore@wuntvor.pillar.com (Stan Hall)
kjhoule@iowegia.dsm.ia.us (Kevin Houle)
Karl Kleine <kleine@fzi.de>
kosta@bass.blues.sub.de (Kosta Kostis)
"Michael Levin" <levin@magnus.sr.com>
"Louis Valentino" <louis@netacsys.com>
luke@modus.sublink.org (Luciano Mannucci)
"Peter Lyman" <lyman@spacesoft.com>
Jochen Erwied <mack@joker.wes.open.de>
magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James Copland)
"Mark Nichols" <Mark@belserv.com>
markd@bushwire.apana.org.au (Mark Delany)
sandia!marms@cs.unm.edu (Mike Arms)
martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
martung@kunikpok.icus.com (Mighty Martung)
mbn@greyskul.intel.com (Mike Northam)
mccredie@piccolo.cit.cornell.edu (Miles Mccredie)
melovell@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Michael E. Lovell)
mike@seb.se
mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
"Mike McLagan" <mmclagan@invlogic.com>
"Mr. Noise" <mrnoise@econs.umass.edu>
msp@pos.apana.org.au (Mark Purcell)
naleks@countway.med.harvard.edu
nick@brimbank.apana.org.au (Nick Langmaid)
oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au
pascoe@rocky.tntn.gtegsc.com (Dave Pascoe)
patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Patrick Lee <patlee@panix.com>
peters@bsc.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
peterson@csc.ti.com
Jay Pfaffman <pfaffman@relax.des.edu>
"Paul Harrington (Reptile)" <phrrngtn@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
plate@infotek.dk
"Peter Mantos" <pmantos@mantos.com>
PSAKROEN@work14.physik.uni-bonn.de (Arno Krner)
rainer@rias.com (Rainer Doerrer)
rfoote@umich.edu (Richard Foote)
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
ric@risc5.irsip.na.cnr.it
Rich Wales <richw@mks.com>
Rick Ellis <rick@ofa123.fidonet.org>
"Richard J. Wyble" <rjw@rjwhome.dmc.com>
Robert.Pearson@njackn.com (Robert Pearson)
ROGER@triplex.socal.com
root@baffin.uu.holonet.net (Ron Perry)
root@biochemistry.bioc.cwru.edu
russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Ryan Bayne <ryan.bayne@canrem.com>
"S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail" <sabre@sabri.pc.my>
seila!llyene.jpl.nasa.gov!seila!don@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov
Doug Spindler <spindler@alcoa.com>
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
steve@nyongwa.cam.org (Steve M. Robbins)
Thomas.E.Taylor@gagme.chi.il.us (Thomas E Taylor)
thorsten@radar.mk.open.de (Thorsten Kitz)
tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
"Andriamananjara Tahirisoa Rajaona" <tra%tgis@incstar.com>
voravit@nwg.nectec.or.th (Voravit Euavatanakorn)
vote-ack@warren.demon.co.uk
wes@wes.win.net (Wes Rishel)
x920031@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Jost Krieger)
xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
zconcept@netcom.com (Mike Peeler)

"no" votes (21):

Adrian Miranda <ade@vancouver.wsu.edu>
Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a <al198723@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
bmork@opus-ovh.spk.wa.us (Brian)
brynell@gdwest.gd.com (David L. Brynell)
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu
dave@telco-nac.com (David Cornejo)
"Eric J. Olson" <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
gabe@angus.mi.org (Gabe Helou)
jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
jnoh@genesis.mcs.com (Jay W. Noh)
Murray Nesbitt <mjn@pseudo.uucp>
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rpd3@futserv.austin.ibm.com (Roland Dunkerley)
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
Timothy VanFosson <timv@ccad.uiowa.edu>
Guy Umbright <vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us>
"Vincent D. Skahan" <vds7789@aw101.iasl.ca.boeing.com>
w8sdz@tacom-emh1.army.mil (Keith Petersen)
"Daniel Zirin" <ziridan@echosphere.com>
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Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c

 
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