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From [email protected] Fri Feb  4 16:09:07 1994
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From: [email protected] (Mike Levis)
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Request For Discussion

   This is the formal Request For Discussion for the creation of four
   newsgroups, the renaming of one newsgroup, and the removal of one
   newsgroup.  Please do not vote now.  As soon at this RFD is posted,
   I will post an RFD pointer to:
      comp.os.os2.apps
      comp.os.os2.programmer.misc
      comp.os.os2.networking
      comp.os.os2.ver1x

Summary of proposals (all unmoderated):

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x

Background:

   The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination
   of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an
   attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1.  One of the great strengths of OS/2
   2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games.

   Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring
   DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play.
   OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without
   having to reboot the computer.  Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game
   (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment,
   such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup,
   and so forth.  OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games
   as well.  With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there
   are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here
   or are being developed.  But OS/2 is not just for playing around.

   There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages
   and disadvantages over another.  Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge
   between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1
   compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g.
   emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al).  There are also visual programming
   tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more
   choice in development environments.

   Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object-
   oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM).  SOM is a language-
   independent specification for object-oriented programming.  Programmers
   can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for
   instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2
   2.1's object- oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the
   behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without
   having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch.  IBM is working on enhancing
   SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM)
   to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks
   as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and
   Pink operating systems.

   OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines,
   through networking.  TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2
   machines.  This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being
   worked on right now.

   OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there
   is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of
   OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive
   feature set).

Proposed charters or reasons:

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g.
                 pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys,
                 etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under
                 OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.).

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related
                 to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup.

   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers,
                 interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2
                 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming
                 tools under OS/2.

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools
                 not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does `<xyz> for DOS'
                 cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup.

   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object-
                 oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and
                 Taligent Frameworks.

                 Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g.
                 C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup.

   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers,
                 setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2.

   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
       Reason:   The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a
                 split newsgroup as .misc.
       Charter:  comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the
                 newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking
                 issues in an unmoderated setting.

   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x
       Reason:   OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in
                 networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time
                 experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet
                 readers).

Schedule:

   These proposals have been informally discussed in several comp.os.os2.*
   newsgroups throughout January.  Some other proposals that were discussed
   informally did not make it in this RFD, but may be included in a future
   RFD.  Minor changes were made to the names of some of these proposals
   to match existing newsgroup names (i.e. comp.os.os2.programmer.oop rather
   than *.oo -- cf. comp.sys.mac.oop; comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip rather
   than *.tcpip -- cf. comp.protocols.tcp-ip).

   The posting of this RFD begins the formal discussion period, and will
   last for 21 days.  Discussion is to take place in news.groups.  Please
   do not vote now.

   If there are no unresolvable objections, a formal Call For Votes (CFV)
   will be posted when the formal discussion period is over.
-- 
Mike Levis
[email protected]

From [email protected] Thu Feb 24 17:55:07 1994
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
 
Reorganization of comp.os.os2

Summary of proposals (all unmoderated):

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x

Newsgroups lines:   
comp.os.os2.games               Running games under OS/2
comp.os.os2.programmer.tools    Compilers, assemblers, interpreters under OS/2
comp.os.os2.programmer.oop      Programming system objects (SOM, WPS, etc)
comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip   TCP/IP under OS/2
comp.os.os2.networking.misc     Miscellaneous networking issues of OS/2

Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard ([email protected]). For questions about
the proposed groups, contact the proposer, Mike Levis, at
[email protected]

A pointer to this Call for Votes is being posted to the following groups:
comp.os.os2.apps, comp.os.os2.programmer.misc, comp.os.os2.networking, and
comp.os.os2.ver1x.

CHARTER

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g.
                 pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys,
                 etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under
                 OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.).

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related
                 to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup.

   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers,
                 interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2
                 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming
                 tools under OS/2.

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools
                 not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does `<xyz> for DOS'
                 cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup.

   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object-
                 oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and
                 Taligent Frameworks.

                 Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g.
                 C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup.

   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers,
                 setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2.

   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
       Reason:   The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a
                 split newsgroup as .misc.
       Charter:  comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the
                 newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking
                 issues in an unmoderated setting.

   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x
       Reason:   OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in
                 networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time
                 experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet
                 readers).

RATIONALE

   The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination
   of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an
   attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1.  One of the great strengths of OS/2
   2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games.

   Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring
   DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play.
   OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without
   having to reboot the computer.  Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game
   (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment,
   such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup,
   and so forth.  OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games
   as well.  With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there
   are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here
   or are being developed.  But OS/2 is not just for playing around.

   There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages
   and disadvantages over another.  Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge
   between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1
   compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g.
   emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al).  There are also visual programming
   tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more
   choice in development environments.

   Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object-
   oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM).  SOM is a language-
   independent specification for object-oriented programming.  Programmers
   can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for
   instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2
   2.1's object-oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the
   behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without
   having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch.  IBM is working on enhancing
   SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM)
   to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks
   as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and
   Pink operating systems.

   OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines,
   through networking.  TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2
   machines.  This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being
   worked on right now.

   OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there
   is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of
   OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive
   feature set).

HOW TO VOTE
 
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
      [email protected]
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work, if you're not reading this
as part of a mailing list).  I will send mail acknowledgements for votes that
I receive.  If you receive a correct ack, your vote has been received.  If you
do not receive an ack after several days, you need to vote again. It is your
responsibility to see that your vote is recorded correctly.  
 
USE THE FORM AS IT IS.  Otherwise your vote may be rejected.  Do not delete
anything between the "-=-=-=-=-" lines - and most certainly do not monkey with
the group names. Please delete everything but the ballot itself, though; I
don't need another copy of the full CFV. You may _NOT_ do a combined vote -
i.e., "I vote for all of them" or "I vote against all of them." 
 
For each group, simply add your vote between the brackets on the same line. 
Recognized votes are Yes and No.  Capitalization is not important. If you
don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't
worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters ">" that your reply
inserts.  
 
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. ABSTAINs
do not affect the vote outcome.  You may change your vote later by voting
again.  The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. 
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results.  If
you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the
final list, send a vote with CANCEL in each voting position.  
 
Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  Only one vote per person, and only one
vote per account, will be counted.  For each proposal to pass, 100 more YES
votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes must be received.
 
Simple instructions: Delete everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line, delete
everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Give your real name on the line
that asks for it.  For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to
it to vote for or against it. 

[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note:  IMPORTANT!  A vote of "YES" for
comp.os.os2.ver1x means you agree it should be deleted; one of "NO" means it
should be retained.  This is exactly opposite the meanings of YES/NO votes
for the other groups in the proposal. -- tale ]]

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Give your real name here:

[Your Vote]  Group
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[         ]  comp.os.os2.games
[         ]  comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
[         ]  comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
[         ]  comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
[         ]  comp.os.os2.networking.misc
[         ]  comp.os.os2.ver1x

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               get caught stealing, you're out!" -- Ed Shanks

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                      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
 
Reorganization of comp.os.os2

Summary of proposals (all unmoderated):

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x

Newsgroups lines:   
comp.os.os2.games               Running games under OS/2
comp.os.os2.programmer.tools    Compilers, assemblers, interpreters under OS/2
comp.os.os2.programmer.oop      Programming system objects (SOM, WPS, etc)
comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip   TCP/IP under OS/2
comp.os.os2.networking.misc     Miscellaneous networking issues of OS/2

Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 17 March 1994.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard ([email protected]). For questions about
the proposed groups, contact the proposer, Mike Levis, at
[email protected]

A pointer to this Call for Votes is being posted to the following groups:
comp.os.os2.apps, comp.os.os2.programmer.misc, comp.os.os2.networking, and
comp.os.os2.ver1x.

CHARTER

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g.
                 pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys,
                 etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under
                 OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.).

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related
                 to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup.

   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers,
                 interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2
                 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming
                 tools under OS/2.

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools
                 not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does `<xyz> for DOS'
                 cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup.

   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object-
                 oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and
                 Taligent Frameworks.

                 Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g.
                 C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup.

   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers,
                 setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2.

   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
       Reason:   The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a
                 split newsgroup as .misc.
       Charter:  comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the
                 newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking
                 issues in an unmoderated setting.

   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x
       Reason:   OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in
                 networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time
                 experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet
                 readers).

RATIONALE

   The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination
   of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an
   attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1.  One of the great strengths of OS/2
   2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games.

   Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring
   DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play.
   OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without
   having to reboot the computer.  Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game
   (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment,
   such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup,
   and so forth.  OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games
   as well.  With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there
   are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here
   or are being developed.  But OS/2 is not just for playing around.

   There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages
   and disadvantages over another.  Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge
   between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1
   compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g.
   emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al).  There are also visual programming
   tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more
   choice in development environments.

   Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object-
   oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM).  SOM is a language-
   independent specification for object-oriented programming.  Programmers
   can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for
   instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2
   2.1's object-oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the
   behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without
   having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch.  IBM is working on enhancing
   SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM)
   to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks
   as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and
   Pink operating systems.

   OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines,
   through networking.  TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2
   machines.  This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being
   worked on right now.

   OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there
   is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of
   OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive
   feature set).

NOTE...

Due to a clerical error, my account on this machine was deleted on 1 March.
Some ballots in the ongoing vote have been lost, as the files in my account
were restored from a backup taken the evening of 28 February. It was restored
the afternoon of 1 March.

If you have not received an acknowledgement for your vote, or if your
acknowledgement was sent between noon US Central Time (1800 GMT) on 28
February and 2 PM US Central Time (2000 GMT) on 1 March, and you have not
received another acknowledgement from me since then, you need to vote again,
as your vote has been lost. If your acknowledgement was sent outside that
time, you should be OK. If you're not sure, please feel free to vote again;
duplicate votes will be weeded out during the counting process. 

This note was posted to the same groups as the original Call for Votes; it is
being repeated here to ensure that interested people see it.

HOW TO VOTE
 
You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
      [email protected]
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work, if you're not reading this
as part of a mailing list).  I will send mail acknowledgements for votes that
I receive.  If you receive a correct ack, your vote has been received.  If you
do not receive an ack after several days, you need to vote again. It is your
responsibility to see that your vote is recorded correctly.  
 
USE THE FORM AS IT IS.  Otherwise your vote may be rejected.  Do not delete
anything between the "-=-=-=-=-" lines - and most certainly do not monkey with
the group names. Please delete everything but the ballot itself, though; I
don't need another copy of the full CFV. You may _NOT_ do a combined vote -
i.e., "I vote for all of them" or "I vote against all of them." 
 
For each group, simply add your vote between the brackets on the same line. 
Recognized votes are Yes and No.  Capitalization is not important. If you
don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank.  Don't
worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters ">" that your reply
inserts.  
 
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. ABSTAINs
do not affect the vote outcome.  You may change your vote later by voting
again.  The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. 
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results.  If
you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the
final list, send a vote with CANCEL in each voting position.  
 
Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  Only one vote per person, and only one
vote per account, will be counted.  For each proposal to pass, 100 more YES
votes than NO votes and twice as many YES votes as NO votes must be received.
 
Simple instructions: Delete everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line, delete
everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Give your real name on the line
that asks for it.  For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to
it to vote for or against it. 

[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note:  IMPORTANT!  A vote of "YES" for
comp.os.os2.ver1x means you agree it should be deleted; one of "NO" means it
should be retained.  This is exactly opposite the meanings of YES/NO votes
for the other groups in the proposal. -- tale ]]

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[         ]  comp.os.os2.games
[         ]  comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
[         ]  comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
[         ]  comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
[         ]  comp.os.os2.networking.misc
[         ]  comp.os.os2.ver1x

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                               RESULTS
 
Reorganization of comp.os.os2

Summary of proposals (all unmoderated):

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x

comp.os.os2 reorganization results - 486 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 440   32 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.os.os2.games
 432   31 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
 412   47 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
 428   37 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
 421   38 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.os.os2.networking.misc
 322  106 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.os.os2.ver1x
  12 invalid votes

Newsgroups lines:   
comp.os.os2.games               Running games under OS/2
comp.os.os2.programmer.tools    Compilers, assemblers, interpreters under OS/2
comp.os.os2.programmer.oop      Programming system objects (SOM, WPS, etc)
comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip   TCP/IP under OS/2
comp.os.os2.networking.misc     Miscellaneous networking issues of OS/2

Voting ended at 00:00:00 GMT, 18 March 1994.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions only,
contact Jay Maynard ([email protected]). For questions about the
proposed groups, contact the proposer, Mike Levis, at
[email protected] 

CHARTERS

   a)  Create comp.os.os2.games
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of OS/2-specific games (e.g.
                 pricing, availability, features, reviews, previews, surveys,
                 etc.), and discussion of running DOS and Windows games under
                 OS/2 (e.g. compatibility, settings, etc.).

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows games not related
                 to OS/2 belongs in the proper games newsgroup.

   b)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.tools
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming tools (compilers,
                 interpreters, assemblers) that generates or executes OS/2
                 code, and discussion of running DOS and Windows programming
                 tools under OS/2.

                 Note that discussion of DOS and Windows programming tools
                 not related to OS/2 (e.g. how much does `<xyz> for DOS'
                 cost) belongs in the proper programming newsgroup.

   c)  Create comp.os.os2.programmer.oop
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of programming for OS/2's object-
                 oriented subsystem, including SOM, DSOM, OpenDoc, and
                 Taligent Frameworks.

                 Note that discussion of object-oriented languages (e.g.
                 C++, Smalltalk) belongs in the proper language newsgroup.

   d)  Create comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
       Charter:  Unmoderated discussion of TCP/IP (e.g. hardware, drivers,
                 setup, problems, bugs, etc.) under all versions of OS/2.

   e)  Rename comp.os.os2.networking to comp.os.os2.networking.misc
       Reason:   The standard practice of Usenet is usually to rename a
                 split newsgroup as .misc.
       Charter:  comp.os.os2.networking.misc will continue to be the
                 newsgroup to discuss miscellaneous OS/2-related networking
                 issues in an unmoderated setting.

   f)  Remove comp.os.os2.ver1x
       Reason:   OS/2 1.3 is now used mostly by companies (such as in
                 networking environments or ATMs) managed by long-time
                 experts rather than by regular people (i.e. Usenet
                 readers).

RATIONALE

   The popularity of 32-bit OS/2 2.1 is growing, thanks to a combination
   of lower hardware prices, low-cost availability of OS/2 2.1, and an
   attractive feature set of OS/2 2.1.  One of the great strengths of OS/2
   2.1 is to run DOS and Windows programs, such as games.

   Games are among the most picky programs to configure, many requiring
   DOS users to have different CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to play.
   OS/2 2.1 makes it easier because it allows many DOS games to run without
   having to reboot the computer.  Under OS/2 2.1, each DOS or Windows game
   (or non- game program, for that matter) can have its very own environment,
   such as its own AUTOEXEC.BAT file, its own CONFIG.SYS lines, memory setup,
   and so forth.  OS/2 2.1 also makes an excellent platform for its own games
   as well.  With features such as multi- threading and multi-media, there
   are freeware, shareware, and commercial OS/2 games that are already here
   or are being developed.  But OS/2 is not just for playing around.

   There is a slew of OS/2 2.1 programming tools -- each having advantages
   and disadvantages over another.  Since OS/2 2.1 can be likened to a bridge
   between UNIX, OS/2 1.3, DOS, and Windows, there have been many OS/2 2.1
   compilers and assemblers ported or derived from these platforms (e.g.
   emx/gcc, gcc/2, Borland C++/2, et.al).  There are also visual programming
   tools such as VisPro/Rexx and VX-Rexx that offer the programmer more
   choice in development environments.

   Programmers can write programs that interface with OS/2 2.1's object-
   oriented subsystem called System Object Model (SOM).  SOM is a language-
   independent specification for object-oriented programming.  Programmers
   can enhance system-provided objects by overriding the desired methods, for
   instance, or change the behaviour of the Workplace Shell (WPS) -- OS/2
   2.1's object-oriented shell based on SOM -- such as changing the
   behaviour of a "folder" (an object) by modifying a method or two without
   having to rewrite a "folder" from scratch.  IBM is working on enhancing
   SOM's object-oriented specification by means of Distributed SOM (DSOM)
   to allow such actions across a network, OpenDoc, and Taligent Frameworks
   as part of IBM's cross-platform strategy with its future Workplace OS and
   Pink operating systems.

   OS/2 can be connected to other platforms, or to other OS/2 machines,
   through networking.  TCP/IP is a popular networking package for OS/2
   machines.  This will be more so since a free TCP/IP package is being
   worked on right now.

   OS/2 1.3 has long been popular in networking environments, although there
   is less need for regular people to run OS/2 1.3 due to the popularity of
   OS/2 2.1 (lower hardware prices, low-cost availability, and attractive
   feature set).

NOTE...

Due to a clerical error, my account on this machine was deleted on 1 March.
Some ballots in the ongoing vote have been lost, as the files in my account
were restored from a backup taken the evening of 28 February. It was restored
the afternoon of 1 March.

All votes outside of that time frame have been counted and acknowledged. A
note about the problem was posted separately to the same groups as this
posting, as well as being included in the second Call for Votes.

VOTES

Votes from the following people have been received:

comp.os.os2 reorganization Final Vote Ack


                                                   comp.os.os2.ver1x --------+
                                         comp.os.os2.networking.misc -------+|
                                       comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip ------+||
                                          comp.os.os2.programmer.oop -----+|||
                                        comp.os.os2.programmer.tools ----+||||
                                                   comp.os.os2.games ---+|||||
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[email protected]                                 Andrew Henry YY----
[email protected]                                         Dave Ulrick YYYYYY
[email protected]                                                   YYYYYN
[email protected]                                             Simon Fowler -----N
[email protected]                            Andrew Hatchell YYYYYY
[email protected]                                 Andy Collins YYYYYY
[email protected]                Aden Steinke Y----Y
[email protected]                                   Alexis E Vassilakas YYYYYY
[email protected]       Nicholas Mayo [email protected] YYYYYY
[email protected]                                      Andrew Guy YYYYYY
[email protected]                             Alec Habig YYYYYY
[email protected]                                          Art Hostmark YYYYYY
[email protected]                                      Ari Huttunen YYYYYY
[email protected]          Ann Vanderlaan YYYYYY
[email protected]                          Eugenio Sanchez NYYYYY
[email protected]                                                Alec Flett YYYYYY
[email protected]                             Amberle S Ferrian YYYYYY
[email protected]                              Dave Anderson YYYYY-
[email protected]                               Sven Anders YYYYYN
[email protected]                             Andreas Almroth YYYNNN
[email protected]                                           Andy Hartman YYYYYY
[email protected]                                          Andy Latto YYYYYY
[email protected]                                      Andre Asselin Y--YYN
[email protected]                                 Mark S. Atkinson YYYYYY
[email protected]                                      Bud Bach YNNYYY
[email protected]                                       Bill Broadhurst YYYYYY
[email protected]                                     Bruce Burch YYYYYY
[email protected]                                           Alan Ballard  YYYYYY
[email protected]                   Carsten Whimster YYY---
[email protected]                                       BRIAN PETERSON YYYYYY
[email protected]                                             Ben Coleman YYYYYN
[email protected]              Robert F. Benningfield Jr. NNNNNN
[email protected]                                    Bernd Driegert YYYYYY
[email protected]                                Bernie Thompson YYYYYY
[email protected]                          Brett D. Sherron-Ferrell YYYYYY
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[email protected]                              Bob Dehnhardt YYYYYY
[email protected]                             John H. Boyd III YYYYYY
[email protected]                        Thomas B. Stanley YYYYYY
[email protected]                                                  Brad Wright YYYYYY
[email protected]                                    Brian Davis YYYYY-
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[email protected]                             Benjamin Y. Lee YYYYYY
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[email protected]                                   L L Campbell YYYYYY
[email protected]                                             Caveman YYYYYY
[email protected]                                Christopher Chan YYYYYY
[email protected]                             Clement G. Taylor YYYYYY
[email protected]                                  Christopher Horymski YYYYYY
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chandoni@husc.harvard.edu                           John-Marc Chandonia YYYYYY
Charles_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca                           Charles K.F. Wong YYYYYY
chip%fin.uucp@dg-rtp.dg.com                             Chip Salzenberg YYYYYN
chip@clark.net                                               Chip Davis YYYYYY
chorn%ew@spcvxa.spc.edu                               Christopher Horn  YYYYYN
chris@suite.sw.oz.au                                       Chris Maltby YYYYYN
chuahl@soda.berkeley.edu                                  Chua Hak Lien YYYYYY
cjensen@netcom.com                                         Colin Jensen YYY--Y
cjl@ukelele.GCR.COM                                     Chris Linstruth Y--YYN
Clark.Gaylord@vt.edu                                      Clark Gaylord YYYYN-
clemenmf@sluaxa.slu.edu                                Marc F. Clemente YNY--Y
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cs_a264@kingston.ac.uk                                Frederico Terenas YYYYYY
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daled@cadence.com                                         Dale DePriest YYYYYY
DALONGMU@ELECTRICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca              Derek A. Longmuir YYYYYY
dan@cs.mun.ca                                                  Dan Best YYY--Y
danap@crl.com                                              Dana P'Simer YYYYYN
davem@ee.ubc.ca                                          Dave Michelson YYYYYN
david@porsche.visix.COM                                   David Charlap YYYYYY
davidp@aadt.com                                         David E. Pedigo YYYYYY
dbr@garnet.msen.com                                       David B. Rein YYYYYY
dbrajort@sss.montrouge.rps.slb.com                        David BRAJORT YYNYYY
dbullock@vnet.IBM.COM                                       Dan Bullock YYYYYY
decastro@netcom.com                                Richard A. De Castro YYYYYY
DFROST@wvuvphs1.hsc.wvu.edu                                Dennis Frost YYYY-N
dgal@cad.gatech.edu                                       Damon Gallaty YYYYYY
dhd@umich.edu                                           David H Detlefs YYYYYN
DHS10@phx.cam.ac.uk                                         David Scott YYYYYY
dick@dw.itg.ti.com                                      Dick Whitehurst YYYYYY
DITTMAN@skitzo.dseg.ti.com                                 Eric Dittman YYYYYY
dodger@sztma.tu-graz.ac.at                                   Starlinger YYYYYY
Doug_Crozier.LOTUS@CRD.lotus.com                           Doug Crozier YYYYYY
downes@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com                               Stephen Downes YYYYYY
DPETERSON@astro.sunysb.edu    Deane Peterson (DPeterson@sbast1.ess.suny YYYYYY
drayer@minerva.cis.yale.edu                              Rebecca Drayer YYYYYY
dries@elvis.rowan.edu                                        PowerSlave YYYYYN
duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca                                  Patrick Duffy YYYYYY
dweller@sugar.NeoSoft.COM                                  DAvid Weller YYYYYN
dwl@watson.ibm.com                                      David W. Levine YYYYYN
dz@phantom.msk.su                                     Dmitry Zavalishin YYYYNY
eaiu184@orion.oac.uci.edu                                    Jimmy Shaw YYYYYY
EBB7683@VENUS.TAMU.EDU                                      Ed Blackman YYYYYN
eck@s704.dseg.ti.com                                  Terry Eck (@s704) YYYYYY
eckstein@susy.isd.uni-stuttgart.de                        Knut Eckstein YYYYYN
edp480b@apple.fcit.monash.edu.au                           Kon Katsaros YYYYYY
efeustel@ida.org                                         Edward Feustel YYYYYN
eigler@vnet.IBM.COM                                    Frank Ch. Eigler YYNYYN
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca                                      Robert Smits YYYYYY
empire@nwu.edu                                          David A. Guidry YYYYYY
enos@erc.cat.syr.edu                                        Ronald Enos YYYYYY
erbo@coyote.rain.org                                   Eric J. Bowersox YYYYYN
eric@logsdon.atl.ga.us                                     Eric Logsdon YYYYYY
eric@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca                         Eric Vanden Heuvel YYYYYY
erikmo@oslonett.no                                        Erik Mogensen YYYYYY
es070@eng.warwick.ac.uk                                 David Barnsdale YYYYY-
essig@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu                            Robert A. Essig YYYYYY
essmjf@netcom.com                                        Michael Faklis YYYYYY
etellefs@lehman.com                                      Eric Tellefsen YYYYYY
etxjafa@eua.ericsson.se                                  Jan Fagerstrom YYYYYY
eurjof@mvs.sas.com                                     Jochen Friedrich YYYYYY
evanc@spatial.synapse.org                                 Evan Champion YYYYYY
fernand@morgan.com                                      Chris Fernandes YYYYYY
fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org                                     Frank Kaefer NNNNNN
flash@aragorn.csee.lehigh.edu                         Stephen Corbesero YYYYYY
floppy@paola.dei.unipd.it                              Toniolo Emanuele YYYYYY
fn@mathappl.polymtl.ca                           Francois Normant/16384 YYYYYN
francis@vnet.IBM.COM                                        Tim Francis YYYYYY
frank@sax.sax.de                                          Frank Behrens YYYYY-
frankdn@mv.MV.COM                                         Douglas Frank YYYYYN
fred@vt.edu                                            Fredrick R Homan YYYYYY
freddy!jerome.yuzyk@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca                  Jerome Yuzyk YYYYYN
fredrik@idt.unit.no                                      Fredrik Kvamme YYYYYY
fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu                           Sean P. Ryan NYNYYY
fvck2412%aimws6@aimws6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de              Martin Thierer YYYYYY
fw@world.std.com                                   Forrest D. Whitcher  YYYYYY
G.Siegert@kri.uni-koeln.de                             Gabriele Siegert YYYYYY
gaetano@dmi.stevens-tech.edu                         Gaetano Liberatore YYYYYN
gareth@qdeck.com                                         Gareth Boulton YYYYYY
Georg.Brandal@mrih.no                                     Georg Brandal YYYYYY
gerhard@horse.sax.de                                     Gerhard Kociok YYYYYY
GHDAI@VAX1.UMKC.EDU                                                     YYYYYY
gisle@elkraft.unit.no                               Gisle J Torvetjoenn YYYYYY
gkoehler@arlut.utexas.edu                              George Koehler

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glen@cs.utexas.edu                                          Glen Graham YYYYYY
glga@MR.Net                                              Gary Greenberg YYYYYY
GLITTLE@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca                                    Glen Little YYYYYN
glj@iai.MV.COM                                     Glenn A. Larson, Jr. YYYYY-
godau@dec2.wi-inf.uni-essen.de                       Hans-Juergen Godau YYYYYY
GOLDMAN@ala.btk.utu.fi                                                  YYYYYY
gordon@ll.mit.edu                                       Gordon Matheson YYYYYY
gordy@panix.com                                          Gordy Thompson YYYYYY
goyal@utdallas.edu                                          Mohit Goyal YYYYYY
graeme.lindsell@anu.edu.au                              Graeme Lindsell YYYYYY
gregory@bcstec.ca.boeing.com                                Greg Wright YYNYYY
greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de                                 Thomas Greve YYNYYN
griffin@admaix.sunydutchess.edu                   Patrick J. P. Griffin YYYYYN
grimes@netcom.com                                     grimes@netcom.com YYYYYY
gspear+@CMU.EDU                                          Geoffrey Spear NYYYNY
gt7027c@acme.gatech.edu                                          Carlos YYYYYY
gt8006b@acme.gatech.edu                               Bradley D. Porter YYYYYN
gumo@df.lth.se                                             Gustav Morin YYYYYY
gwk@world.std.com                                        Greg Kushmerek YYYYYY
h.p.kiehl@kfa-juelich.de                                    Horst Kiehl YYYYY-
haan@fgbbs.iaf.nl                                          Henk de Haan YYYNNY
hajo@quijote.in-berlin.de                           Hans-Joachim Zierke -YYYYY
harlie@brian.org                                          Brian S. Hall YYYYY-
hassag@rpi.edu                                     George C. Hassa, Jr. YYYYYY
hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu                        Robert A. Hayden YYYYYY
HD0022%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU                    Chip Dunham NNNNNY
heath@austin.ibm.com                                                    YYYYYY
hermus@nlr.nl                                               Bart Hermus ---YY-
hethmon@cs.utk.edu                                         Paul Hethmon YYYYYY
hildajk1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu                               Ken Hildabolt YNYNNY
hmkirchh@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de           Hans-Jochen Kirchhoff YYYYYY
hucke@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu                                    Matt Hucke YYYYYN
hyongel@cco.caltech.edu                                       Hyong Lee Y--YY-
ian@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu                                  Ian Gibbons YYYYYY
ian@vnet.IBM.COM                                           Ian Stirling YYYYYY
ianst@qdpii.ind.dpi.qld.gov.au                              Ian Staples YYYYY-
im790921@im.mgt.ncu.edu.tw                                Xu Chang Qing YYYYYY
J.C.vanderWal@research.ptt.nl                          Kees van der Wal YYYYY-
J.Hoppenbrouwers@kub.nl                           Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers YYYYY-
J0S@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                                        Jack W. Sharer YYYYYY
jacob@rygel.anorad.com                                     Jacob George YYYYYY
jadoerin@MIT.EDU                                    Joseph A. Doeringer YYYYYY
jalcorn@marvin.wariat.org                              Justin B. Alcorn YYYYYY
jamesp@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU                            James Peroulas YYYYYY
janrune@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                          Jan Rune Andreassen YYYYYY
jarlehto@utu.fi                                           Jari Lehtonen YYY---
jcarmack@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu                         John D. Carmack YYNYYY
jcollier@alexandra.mtl.com                                 John Collier YYYYYY
jderrico@umich.edu                                     John A. D'Errico YYYYYY
jdp9w@watt.seas.virginia.edu                             John D. Palmer Y--YY-
Jean-Philippe.Fassino@babbage.imag.fr            Fassino@ufrima.imag.fr YYYYYY
jeff@neon.rain.com                                           J. Beadles NNNNNY
jelle@farallon.sac.unify.com                            Jelle Jorritsma YYYYYY
jgarzik@pantera.atl.ga.us                                   Jeff Garzik YYNYYY
jgd@dixie.com                                            John De Armond NYYYYY
jhm@netcom.com                                   Jonathan Hulley-Miller YYYYYN
jim@draco.bison.mb.ca                                      Jim Jaworski YYNYYY
jima@ims.com                                              James L. Agin YYYYYY
jjl@civen.civil.wits.ac.za                             Dr J J Lambourne YYYY--
jk@zarniwoop.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de                       Jens Kuespert -YYYY-
jkfurr@eecs.umich.edu                             Hardchargin Sanhedrin NNNNNY
jks@giskard.utmem.edu                           John K. Spitznagel, Jr. YYYYYY
jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi                                  Juha Liukkonen YYYYY-
jmartz@gibbs.oit.unc.edu                                  John M. Martz YYYYYY
jmcging@access.digex.com                                    John McGing YYYYYY
jmehl@strauss.udel.edu                                    James B. Mehl YYYYYY
joachim@urz.unibas.ch                                     Peter Joachim YYYYYY
joe@decoy.uoregon.edu                                     Joe St Sauver YYYYYY
johansso@elixir.e.kth.se                               Anders Johansson YYY--Y
john.heater@father.com                                      JOHN HEATER YYYYYN
john@uhs1.uhs.uga.edu                                                   YY-NNN
johnh@meaddata.com                         John Holt johnh@meaddata.com YYYYYY
johnwu@netcom.com                                               John Wu Y--YYY
John_Bodnar-R16292@email.sps.mot.com                        John Bodnar YYYYYY
jost@dkb.dk                                                John Staahle YYYYY-
jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov                                J. Porter Clark YYYYYN
jrlink@netcom.com                                          John R. Link YYYNN-
jsruebel@iastate.edu                                    James S. Ruebel YYYYYY
JSTMN@aurora.alaska.edu                                  Todd Nagengast YYYYY-
jstuart@nptn.org                                      Jeffrey A. Stuart YYYYYY
jtiller@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov                             Jason B. Tiller YYYYYY
judd@austin.ibm.com                                         Judd Rogers YYYYYY
julian@bongo.tele.com                                   Julian Macassey NNNNNN
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kkudielk@email.tuwien.ac.at                              Klaus Kudielka ---YYY
klaus@gnugate.rhein.de              Klaus Guhr <klaus@gnugate.rhein.de> YYYYYN
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kohlhaas@faw.uni-ulm.de                               Bernhard Kohlhaas YYYYY-
kris@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca                              Christian Zabbal YYYYYY
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larsen@cs.uregina.ca                                       Bryan Larsen YYYYYY
las@cbnmva.att.com                                       Larry A. Shurr YYYYYY
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lrj@helios.tn.cornell.edu                                    Lew Jansen YYYYYY
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ltubbs@netcom.com                                           Larry Tubbs YYYYYY
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Mahoney@emdisle.fidonet.org                                Mike Mahoney YYYYYN
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Marc_Van-Woerkom@ac3.maus.de                      Marc E.E. van Woerkom YYYYYY
margoli@watson.ibm.com                                   Larry Margolis YYYYYN
markr@cs.kun.nl                                               Mark Ruys YYYYYY
Martin.Lafaix@sophia.inria.fr                             Martin Lafaix YYYYYN
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mcarthur@oksw56.okanagan.bc.ca                             Rob McArthur YYYYYY
mdorman@world.std.com                                  Michael A Dorman YYYYYY
mds@access.digex.net                                Michael D. Sullivan YYY---
mernst@interaccess.com                                    Michael Ernst YYYYY-
messina@umich.edu                                          Matt Messina YY-YY-
mgphl@crl.com                                       Michael G. Phillips YYYYYY
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miker@orion.med.bcm.tmc.edu                         Hung Michael Nguyen YYYYYY
mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu                      Mike Levis - OS/2 2.1 GA YYYYYY
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moloney@lds.loral.com                                Timothy M. Moloney YYYYYY
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msc%ssihub@uunet.uu.net                                Michael S. Cross YYYYYY
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pe@pst.sh.sub.de                                         Peter Steenken YYYYYY
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peter@hprcl191.mayfield.hp.com                              peter huang YYYYYY
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ph@anweald.exnet.co.uk                                  Patrick Herring YYYYYY
pjg30@eng.amdahl.com                                  Paul John Gibbons YYYYYY
PMARKS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU                     Bud Marks pmarks@vax1.umkc.edu YYYY--
powelcr@anubis.network.com                              Chris R. Powell YYYYYN
PPARKER@TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU                                  Phil Parker YYYYYY
premont@iro.umontreal.ca                                Patrick Premont YYYYY-
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RAINER@sasowa.han.de                                    Rainer Wantosch YYYYYN
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rbarnett@blkbox.COM                                        Rick Barnett YYYYYN
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rcw@rcw.sr.hp.com                                      Richard Williams YYYYYN
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