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From [email protected] Mon Mar 29 20:41:24 1993
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From: [email protected] (Brian Tao)
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Subject: RFD: comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
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______________________________________________________________________

   OFFICIAL REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION - comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
______________________________________________________________________

Submitted by:    Brian Tao ([email protected])
Date submitted:  Mar 29 1993

===
=== INTRODUCTION
===

    This is an official Request For Discussion concerning the
reorganization of the comp.sys.apple2 Usenet newsgroup (referred to
now as "csa2"); specifically, the creation of four new subgroups under
the current csa2 hierarchy:

csa2.comm         Discussions related to Apple II data communications
csa2.marketplace  Buying/selling/trading of Apple II-related equipment
csa2.programmer   Discussions related to Apple II programming
csa2.usergroup    Discussions related to running an Apple II user group

    All four proposed newsgroups will be UNMODERATED.  Charters for
each newsgroup are posted below in this article.

    Comp.sys.apple2 currently acts as a "catch-all" newsgroup for
Apple II-related discussions.  As such, it may reach over 100 new
articles per day with several dozen threads active at once.  In
preliminary discussions on csa2, many readers have expressed the
desire to see a few broad-interest newsgroups created under the csa2
hierarchy so that 1) message traffic on the main newsgroup is reduced,
and 2) Apple II users who are interested in a particular aspect of the
computer will not have to sift through irrelevant news articles.

    General topics relating to the entire 8-bit Apple II family and
the 16-bit Apple IIGS personal computer should be posted to the
original csa2 newsgroup.  Because of the intent of this proposal
(i.e., to divide Apple II-related discussions into more manageable
groups), cross-posting to several csa2.* groups is not encouraged. 
However, if you're not sure where to post, then use csa2!

    Please note than this proposal does not include the removal or
renaming of comp.sys.apple2 itself.  Csa2 will remain as the top-level
newsgroup in this hierarchy.

    Although not in strict accordance with the procedure described in
the "Guidelines For Usenet Group Creation" document, it was felt that
a single RFD and a single ensuing CFV (with individual votes on a
per-group basis) would be more desirable.  See the "comp.sys.mac
reorganization" RFD posted by Chuq Von Rospach ([email protected]) on Feb
19 1990 for a good example of a multiple-group RFD.

    The RFD period will commence when this article appears on
news.announce.newgroups (cross-posted to news.groups, comp.sys.apple2
and comp.sys.apple2.gno) and will end 28 days hence.  At that point, a
Call For Votes (CFV) may follow.  Follow-ups concerning this proposal
will be directed to news.groups.  All consenting and dissenting
opinion should be posted publicly on news.groups and may be cross-
posted to comp.sys.apple2 only.  Do not e-mail comments to me, or post
only in the csa2 newsgroup (and neglecting news.groups).  Discussion
on the four charters and the structure or wording of this proposal
will be entertained.


===
=== CHARTER:  comp.sys.apple2.comm (unmoderated)
===

    The original proposal called for the "comp.sys.apple2.bbs"
newsgroup.  The new name is offered here as a more accurate
alternative.  Topics suitable for discussion in csa2.comm include (but
are not limited to):

 1. Telecommunications software (ProTERM, ANSITerm, ZLink, TIC, etc.)
 2. Bulletin board software (METAL/FutureVision, ProLine, Warp Six,
      GBBS Pro, Prime, etc.)
 3. Online services (GEnie, CompuServe, America Online, etc.)
 4. Telecommunications hardware (high-speed modems, building cables,
      selecting a serial card, etc.)
 5. Networking (AppleShare, LocalTalk, Ethertalk, CAP, etc.)
 6. Cross-platform connectivity (IBM-to-Apple, Apple-to-Macintosh,
      Apple-to-UNIX via UUCP, etc.)

    This proposal also calls for the merging of the "a2bbs" mailing
list, currently maintained by Doug Granzow on the ProLine BBS network
system.  Creation of csa2.comm will expand the distribution of this
popular mailing list (over 100 readers) to the Usenet domain.


===
=== CHARTER: comp.sys.apple2.marketplace (unmoderated)
===

    A very active segment of any comp.sys.* newsgroup is the
discussions related to the buying and selling of used computers,
peripherals, old software, etc. between private individuals. 
Currently, all messages of this type are posted to csa2 or one of the
misc.forsale groups.  Csa2.marketplace proposes to focus all Apple II-
related "for sale" or "wanted" postings and their discussion in one
newsgroup.  Commercial listings are inappropriate for csa2.marketplace,
as per Usenet guidelines.


===
=== CHARTER: comp.sys.apple2.programmer (unmoderated)
===

    This is the 2nd RFD for the creation of csa2.programmer.  The
original RFD was submitted by Richard Muise ([email protected];
address may not be current) on Jul 8 1992.  The current charter is
based on Richard's original proposal.

    Csa2.programmer will be a newsgroup for the discussion of
programming techniques, reference information and hardware pertaining
to the entire Apple II family.  Topics that can be covered include
(but are not limited to):

 1. Programming the Apple II in any compiled or interpreted language
      (C, Pascal, BASIC, assembly, Forth, HyperTalk, etc.)
 2. Source code fragments that may be of interest to the Apple II
      programming community
 3. Specific programming and operating systems (Merlin 16+, ORCA
      shell environment, HyperC, GS/OS desktop programming, etc.)
 4. Information pertaining to the Apple II hardware architecture
      (softswitch locations, addressing the Ensoniq sound chip,
      accessing slots, using DMA, etc.)

    Paragraph (2) does not advocate the posting of complete source
code to csa2.programmer.  Comp.sources.apple2 exists for such a
purpose.  However, small fragments of code illustrating a particular
algorithm or a reader's problem are allowed.

    Discussions relating to Procyon's GNO/ME multitasking programming
environment, normally falling under Paragraph (3), are usually of a
very specific nature.  They should generally be limited to the
comp.sys.apple2.gno newsgroup, with cross-posting to csa2.programmer
if a wider audience will benefit.

    Paragraph (4) does not include general hardware questions
(installation, repair, upgrades, best hardware product to buy, etc.) 
Articles of this nature should be posted to csa2 or csa2.marketplace
as appropriate.

    This proposal also suggests the merging of the HyperC-L mailing
list, currently maintained by Steve Craft ([email protected])
at ccsvax.sfasu.edu.  Hyper-C is a freeware C compiler designed for
the 8-bit Apple II family.


===
=== CHARTER: comp.sys.apple2.usergroup (unmoderated)
===

    The user group is perhaps the most important resource for any
computer user, more so for the Apple II family than for many other
platforms.  With dwindling visible Apple II support from Apple, Inc.
and a scarcity of large third-party companies supporting the Apple II,
the user group becomes an invaluable asset for both novices and
veterans alike.

    The charter for this group comes from the NAUGSAW promotional
literature, an Apple User Group convention held annually in
different cities across North America:

  "Sessions will focus on helping User Groups effectively
   serve members and communities. They will identify common
   challenges, brainstorm new concepts, and discuss how best
   to meet those needs. Topics will include forming a group,
   obtaining non-profit status, affiliating with other groups,
   setting up a BBS system, publishing newsletters, volunteer
   management, case histories, fund raising, and more."

    The creation of csa2.usergroup will unite Apple II user groups
>from around the world.  It will serve as a forum for the exchange of
ideas, as well as discussion of common problems inherent in running an
Apple II user group.  Representatives of user groups with Internet
access can draw upon the collective knowledge and experience of others
on csa2.usergroup.  Other comp.sys.* hierarchies may want to consider
adding a similar subgroup if csa2.usergroup proves to be successful.
-- 
Brian Tao:: [email protected] (University of Toronto)
::::::::::: [email protected] (r-Node BBS, 416-249-5366, FREE!)

From [email protected] Thu Apr 22 11:40:10 1993
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From: [email protected] (Brian Tao)
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Subject: CFV: comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
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       OFFICIAL CALL FOR VOTES - comp.sys.apple2 reorganization

Submitted by:    Brian Tao <[email protected]>
Date submitted:  Apr 20 1993

    This is the official Call For Votes for the comp.sys.apple2 (csa2)
reorganization proposal.  Discussion concerning this proposal will no
longer be entertained.  The vote will decide if the following four
groups will be created:

csa2.comm         Discussions related to Apple II data communications
csa2.marketplace  Buying/selling/trading of Apple II-related equipment
csa2.programmer   Discussions related to Apple II programming
csa2.usergroups   Discussions related to running an Apple II user group

    Please note that this has nothing to do with the informal discussion
on renaming the alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2 newsgroup.  An RFD for that
proposal may be submitted at a later date.

    To cast your vote, mail in the ballot included at the end of this
article to <[email protected]>.  Note that this is NOT the same as
the originating address.  The easiest way is to auto-reply via e-mail
to this article.  Double-check the "To:" header to make sure it is
being sent to the vote-taking address.  Some software may not preserve
the "Reply-To:" header in news articles.  When auto-replying, please
delete everything above the line marked "<<< begin >>>" and mail in
just the ballot. This is not crucial, but it will prevent the ballot
box from blowing up.  :)

    If for some reason you cannot use the voting ballot, you may
e-mail [email protected] a message containing your votes in an
unambiguous and explicit manner.  Something like "I vote yes for
csa2.programmer" is acceptable, as long as you do it once for each of
the four newsgroups.  "I vote yes for all the groups" is NOT
acceptable, nor is "I'll vote yes for csa2.marketplace if it is
moderated".  The time for discussion on the proposal is over.  Please
vote only on the final submitted charters.

    Two example votes are included in the ballot.  To vote, insert the
words "yes" or "no" on the left side of the appropriate line.  If you
wish to abstain from voting on a particular newsgroup, simply leave
the left side blank.  Capitalization does not matter, nor does white-
space or quote characters inserted by the news software.  Please use
only the words "yes" or "no" to prevent ambiguity.  DO NOT ALTER
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT!  Votes will be processed by machine and
hand-checked afterwards.

    If you mail in more than one ballot, only the most recent ballot
will be tallied.  You must MAIL the ballot to <[email protected]>. 
Votes mailed to me or posted to a newsgroup will not be counted.  When
your ballot is received, you will receive a computer-generated reply
telling you how it thinks you voted.  Please verify the results and
mail in a correction ONLY if neccesary.

    The voting period will last from April 22 through May 22, UTC (30 days). 
Ballots received outside of this voting period will not be counted.
Mass vote ACK's and additional CFV's will be posted roughly weekly to
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups and comp.sys.apple2.  Once again,
please verify that your name appears on the ACK list if you have sent
in a ballot.  Please do not hesistate to contact me if you have any
problems casting your vote (mail to [email protected]).

--- <<< begin >>> ----------------------------------------------------
===
=== Official comp.sys.apple2 reorganization ballot [CSA2R-6502]
=== Mail to <[email protected]>
===

VOTE      GROUP
~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yes       this.is.an.example
no        this.is.another.example

          comp.sys.apple2.comm
          comp.sys.apple2.marketplace
          comp.sys.apple2.programmer
          comp.sys.apple2.usergroups

--- <<< end >>> ------------------------------------------------------

From [email protected] Fri Apr 30 17:29:58 1993
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From: [email protected] (Brian Tao)
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Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
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______________________________________________________________________

        SECOND CALL FOR VOTES - comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
______________________________________________________________________

Submitted by:    Brian Tao <[email protected]>
Date submitted:  Apr 28 1993

    This is the second Call For Votes for the comp.sys.apple2 (csa2)
reorganization proposal.  Discussion concerning this proposal will no
longer be entertained.  The vote will decide if the following four
groups will be created:

csa2.comm         Discussions related to Apple II data communications
csa2.marketplace  Buying/selling/trading of Apple II-related equipment
csa2.programmer   Discussions related to Apple II programming
csa2.usergroups   Discussions related to running an Apple II user group

    Please note that this has nothing to do with the informal discussion
on renaming the alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2 newsgroup.  An RFD for that
proposal may be submitted at a later date.

    To cast your vote, mail in the ballot included at the end of this
article to <[email protected]>.  Note that this is NOT the same as
the originating address.  The easiest way is to auto-reply via e-mail
to this article.  Double-check the "To:" header to make sure it is
being sent to the vote-taking address.  Some software may not preserve
the "Reply-To:" header in news articles.  When auto-replying, please
delete everything above the line marked "<<< begin >>>" and mail in
just the ballot.  This is not crucial, but it will prevent the ballot
box from blowing up.  :)

    If for some reason you cannot use the voting ballot, you may
e-mail a message to <[email protected]> containing your votes in an
unambiguous and explicit manner.  Something like "I vote yes for
csa2.programmer" is acceptable, as long as you do it once for each of
the four newsgroups.  "I vote yes for all the groups" is NOT
acceptable, nor is "I'll vote yes for csa2.marketplace if it is
moderated".  The time for discussion on the proposal is over.  Please
vote only on the final submitted charters.

    Two example votes are included in the ballot.  To vote, insert the
words "yes" or "no" on the left side of the appropriate line.  If you
wish to abstain from voting on a particular newsgroup, simply leave
the left side blank.  Capitalization does not matter, nor does white-
space or quote characters inserted by the news software.  Please use
only the words "yes" or "no" to prevent ambiguity.  PLEASE DO NOT
DELETE OR ALTER ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT!  Votes will be processed
by machine and hand-checked afterwards.

    If you mail in more than one ballot, only the most recent ballot
will be tallied.  You must MAIL the ballot to <[email protected]>. 
Votes mailed to me or posted to a newsgroup will not be counted.  When
your ballot is received, you will receive a computer-generated reply
telling you how it thinks you voted.  Please verify the results and
mail in a correction ONLY if neccesary.

    A final mass ACK and CFV will be posted to news.groups,
news.announce.newgroups and comp.sys.apple2 ten days after this one.
Once again, please verify that your name appears on the ACK list if
you have sent in a ballot.  The voting period will close May 22 at
11:59 EST.  Ballots received after this date will not be counted.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any problems casting
your vote (mail to [email protected]).


--- <<< begin >>> ----------------------------------------------------
===
=== Official comp.sys.apple2 reorganization ballot [CSA2-6502:2]
=== Mail to <[email protected]>
===

VOTE      GROUP
~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yes       this.is.an.example
no        this.is.another.example

          comp.sys.apple2.comm
          comp.sys.apple2.marketplace
          comp.sys.apple2.programmer
          comp.sys.apple2.usergroups

--- <<< end >>> ------------------------------------------------------

   This article contains a mass acknowledgement of all votes received
for the comp.sys.apple2 reorganization proposal as of 12:00 PM (EST)
on April 28, 1993.  If you have submitted your vote for this proposal
already, please verify that your name is on this list.  If not, please
send a note to <[email protected]> alerting me to the problem.  The
voting period will close May 22 at 11:59 PM EST.

   This mass ACK list was prepared and sorted alphabetically by Ron
Dippold's UseVote 1.0 software.  Anyone running a CFV (especially a
multi-vote CFV), should give UseVote a try.  It *really* makes things
much easier!

______________________________________________________________________

Comp.sys.apple2 reorganization Mass ACK [189 votes]

[email protected] (Brian Tao)
[email protected] (Andrew Guillaume)
[email protected] (Marc Sira)
[email protected] (Ron)
[email protected] (Amrit Chauhan)
[email protected] (Michel Bois)
[email protected] (Bruce R. Sinclair)
[email protected] (A. Guiles)
[email protected] (Jennifer Peters)
[email protected] (Austin Phelps)
[email protected] (Matt Ostanik)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Walter Polkosnik)
[email protected] (Jawaid Bazyar)
[email protected] (Benjamin Doherty)
[email protected] (Brian Clark)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bill Schanks)
[email protected] (Bill Long, Sysop)
[email protected] (Bill McGonigle)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bryan Ogawa)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Joshua Thompson)
[email protected] (Bev Woolf - Sysop)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Yves Cheneval)
[email protected] (Christopher Davis)
[email protected]
[email protected] (C Matthew Curtin)
[email protected] (Steven H. Lichter)
[email protected] ("Curtis M. Compton")
[email protected] (Dale Smith)
[email protected] (Greg Boehnlein)
[email protected] (David E A Wilson)
[email protected] (Dan Brown)
[email protected] (David Green)
[email protected] (David Empson)
[email protected] (Derek Taubert)
[email protected] (Doug Granzow)
[email protected] (Dave Kopin)
[email protected] (Douglas Myers)
[email protected] (Daniel Zimmerman)
[email protected] (Norby)
[email protected] (Steve Drees)
[email protected] (Edward Floden)
[email protected] (Elliot A)
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
[email protected] (Andy McFadden)
[email protected] (Larry Wink)
[email protected] (L. Fein)
feline!gray (Kelly Gray)
[email protected] (Fred Gise)
[email protected] (Frank M. Lin)
[email protected] (Joseph Frost)
[email protected] (Derek L Bastille)
[email protected] (Evan J Day)
[email protected] (Gary Hayman)
[email protected] (Reade Glyn Devin)
[email protected] (Greg DaCosta)
[email protected] (Gregory Ross Thompson)
[email protected] (Dave Grenda)
[email protected] (Daniel L Grillo)
[email protected] (Grover Thomas)
[email protected] (Gary Snow)
gt2011a@prism.gatech.edu (gt2011a SIMMS,WILLIAM SHELDON)
gwlester@cpu.com
hackerb9@u.washington.edu (Nothing to hide)
hal.isc.toronto.ibm.com!jeremy@yoda.isc.toronto.ibm.com
hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf)
hbouma@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu (Herbert M Petro)
hochstrasse@yogi.urz.unibas.ch
hockley@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dallas Hockley)
hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
iigs@wam.umd.edu (The Doctor)
irie@husc.harvard.edu
irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez)
jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L Brookes)
jamesz@pro-friends.cts.com (James Zajkowski)
jblaby@cyberstore.ca
jblass@cibbs.north.net
jchappel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeanne Chappell)
jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
jeffh@apple.com (Jeff Holcomb)
jerryb@pro-fac.cts.com (Jerry Bolduc)
jgibb@reed.edu (Jason Gibb)
jguy@pro-finders.cts.com (Jerry Guy)
jimmys@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Jimmy Shaw)
jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (James David Wong)
jkinker@pro-fac.cts.com (Joel Kinker)
jlcooper@sacam.orEn.ortn.edu (Jonathan L Cooper)
jmire@pro-cajun.cts.com (John Mire)
jmk3@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU
jmoore@pro-fac.cts.com (John Moore)
joeo@pro-phx.cts.com (Joe Oliver)
john.farris@canrem.com (John Farris)
johns@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (John Sparkman)
johnyancho@pro-fac.cts.com (John Yancho)
jon@qedbbs.com (Jonathan Fether)
jphaid@pro-nbs.cts.com (JP Haid)
jsimmons@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Jason Simmons)
just.dave@genie.geis.com
jwolverton@pro-tcc.cts.com (John Wolverton)
jws54@cas.org
kapffer@informatik.mathematik.uni-mainz.de (Matthias Kapffer)
kentd@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Kent Dickey)
KITZMAN@AC.GRIN.EDU ("Kitzman,Dennis W")
kkenn@cola.pax.tpa.com.au (Kristian Kennaway)
klo@stern.nyu.edu (Usurper!)
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
lablues!larry@mother.bates.edu (Lawrance A. Schneider)
larryc@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Larry Colton)
lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
lmire@pro-cajun.cts.com (Elizabeth Mire)
lop@pro-zap.cts.com (laurent Pontailler)
lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
maaa@pro-berks.cts.com (Joseph Palamar)
mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
mcgovern@cs.colostate.edu (Mike McGovern)
mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
mdj@pro-mdj.dude.acme.fred.org (Mark de Jong)
mholtz@netcom.com (Mark Holtz)
mikep@pro-berks.cts.com (Mike Palamar)
mikeu@pro-magic.oau.org (Mike Ungerman)
MISC059@csc.canterbury.ac.nz ("Damon Rand, Canterbury Uni, NZ")
mlensenmayer@pro-tcc.cts.com (Mark Lensenmayer)
mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
mo@pro-woolf.cts.com (Morgan DiGesualdo)
mort@apollo.hp.com (Stephen Moriarty)
mshecket@pro-tcc.cts.com (Michael Shecket)
msjohnso@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (micah shane johnson)
mspaeth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wayne Gretzky)
murph@apple.com (Jim Murphy)
nathan@cco.caltech.edu (Nathan Mates)
neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
nwp90@ecs.southampton.ac.uk (Nick Phillips)
ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
PHS172M@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker)
programer@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Marek Kozubal)
prophet@cheshire.oxy.edu (Dale B. LaFountain)
psonnek@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Patrick Sonnek)
quor@qedbbs.com (Matthew Ghio)
r.merrill2@genie.geis.com
rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
reevess@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Reeves)
rhood@pro-gonzo.cts.com (Robert Hood)
richard@fiu.edu (Richard A Simm)
richardd@pro-ed.cts.com (Richard Duncan)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rjm@pro-fac.cts.com (Robert McCabe)
rlw@chem.wayne.edu (Ron Wilson)
rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward)
robert-s@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
rubini@ipvvis.UNIPV.IT (Alessandro Rubini)
rwifall@NMSU.Edu (Richard Wifall)
samd@pro-woolf.cts.com (Samantha Digesualdo)
samp@pro-gallup.cts.com (Sam Pemberton - Sys Admin)
sbdocker@acs.ucalgary.ca (Sean Dockery)
schmaus@ee.ualberta.ca (Roy Schmaus)
schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
sebugg@cs1.presby.edu (Stephen Buggie)
smarry@zooid.guild.org (Marc Moorcroft)
SPECTOR@Vax2.Concordia.CA (Mitchell Spector)
sphinx@pro-gateway.cts.com (Counse Broders)
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
stgeorge@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Steve George)
sysadm@pro-cajun.cts.com (System Administrator)
szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
tdslotte@mcs.drexel.edu (Dave Slotter)
thes+@cmu.edu ("Seth D. Kadesh")
tigersharke@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Curt Dox)
toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
towel@elcsci.com ("Lee Towe")
tribby@hpisrhc.cup.hp.com (Dave Tribby)
tye@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
ULTIMAV@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU ("Everybody knows!....")
unknown@apple.com (tuu)
vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
vwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Vet Woolf)
walter@pro-christ.cts.com (Walter B. Hoye II)
wrh@physics.wm.edu (William Hall)
wsgentry@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
wulf@cip.physik.uni-stuttgart.de (Wulf Hofbauer)
zcameron@pro-dharma.cts.com (Zachariah Cameron)
-- 
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::::::::::: 90taobri@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (University of Toronto)

From 90taobri@wave.scar.utoronto.ca Tue May 11 08:43:44 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: 90taobri@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (TAO  BRIAN T)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.gno,alt.bbs.metal,alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
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_____________________________________________________________________

   THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR VOTES - comp.sys.apple2 reorganization
_____________________________________________________________________

Submitted by:    Brian Tao <taob@r-node.hub.org>
Date submitted:  May 8 1993

    This is the third and final Call For Votes for the comp.sys.apple2
(csa2) reorganization proposal.  Discussion concerning this proposal
will no longer be entertained.  The vote will decide if the following
four groups will be created:

csa2.comm         Discussions related to Apple II data communications
csa2.marketplace  Buying/selling/trading of Apple II-related equipment
csa2.programmer   Discussions related to Apple II programming
csa2.usergroups   Discussions related to running an Apple II user group

    Please note that this has nothing to do with the informal discussion
on renaming the alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2 newsgroup.  An RFD for that
proposal may be submitted at a later date.

    To cast your vote, mail in the ballot included at the end of this
article to <vote@r-node.hub.org>.  Note that this is NOT the same as
the originating address.  The easiest way is to auto-reply via e-mail
to this article.  Double-check the "To:" header to make sure it is
being sent to the vote-taking address.  Some software may not preserve
the "Reply-To:" header in news articles.  When auto-replying, please
delete everything above the line marked "<<< begin >>>" and mail in
just the ballot.  This is not crucial, but it will prevent the ballot
box from blowing up.  :)

    If for some reason you cannot use the voting ballot, you may
e-mail a message to <vote@r-node.hub.org> containing your votes in an
unambiguous and explicit manner.  Something like "I vote yes for
csa2.programmer" is acceptable, as long as you do it once for each of
the four newsgroups.  "I vote yes for all the groups" is NOT
acceptable, nor is "I'll vote yes for csa2.marketplace if it is
moderated".  The time for discussion on the proposal is over.  Please
vote only on the final submitted charters.

    Two example votes are included in the ballot.  To vote, insert the
words "yes" or "no" on the left side of the appropriate line.  If you
wish to abstain from voting on a particular newsgroup, simply leave
the left side blank.  Capitalization does not matter, nor does white-
space or quote characters inserted by the news software.  Please use
only the words "yes" or "no" to prevent ambiguity.  PLEASE DO NOT
DELETE OR ALTER ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT!  Votes will be processed
by machine and hand-checked afterwards.

    If you mail in more than one ballot, only the most recent ballot
will be tallied.  You must MAIL the ballot to <vote@r-node.hub.org>. 
Votes mailed to me or posted to a newsgroup will not be counted.  When
your ballot is received, you will receive a computer-generated reply
telling you how it thinks you voted.  Please verify the results and
mail in a correction ONLY if neccesary.

    This is the final Call For Votes and Mass Vote Acknowledgement.
Once again, please verify that your name appears on the ACK list if
you have sent in a ballot.  The voting period will close May 22 at
11:59 EST.  Ballots received after this date will not be counted.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any problems casting
your vote (mail to taob@r-node.hub.org).

*** Please note that I will not have net access from May 8 to May 15. 
*** Votes may still be submitted (they will be stored until I return),
*** but the individual e-mail acknowledgements will not be mailed out
*** until the final week of the CFV.


--- <<< begin >>> ----------------------------------------------------
===
=== Official comp.sys.apple2 reorganization ballot [CSA2-6502:3]
=== Mail to <vote@r-node.hub.org>
===

VOTE      GROUP
~~~~~~    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yes       this.is.an.example
no        this.is.another.example

          comp.sys.apple2.comm
          comp.sys.apple2.marketplace
          comp.sys.apple2.programmer
          comp.sys.apple2.usergroups

--- <<< end >>> ------------------------------------------------------

   This article contains a mass acknowledgement of all votes received
for the comp.sys.apple2 reorganization proposal as of 12:00 PM (EST)
on May 7, 1993.  If you have submitted your vote for this proposal
already, please verify that your name is on this list.  If not, please
send a note to <taob@r-node.hub.org> alerting me to the problem.  The
voting period will close May 22 at 11:59 PM EST.

   This mass ACK list was prepared and sorted alphabetically by Ron
Dippold's UseVote 1.0 software.  Anyone running a CFV (especially a
multi-vote CFV), should give UseVote a try.  It *really* makes things
much easier!

*** Please note that I will not have net access from May 8 to May 15. 
*** Votes may still be submitted (they will be stored until I return),
*** but the individual e-mail acknowledgements will not be mailed out
*** until the final week of the CFV.

______________________________________________________________________

comp.sys.apple2 reorganization Mass Ack [254 votes]

100037.146@compuserve.com ("John M. Stoll")
90taobri@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (Brian Tao)
a.guillaume@trl.oz.au (Andrew Guillaume)
aa382@freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)
acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
achauhan@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
ad657@freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Bois)
afcdyajim@aol.com
afljoeys@aol.com
agpbrs@pnv.palm.cri.nz (Bruce R. Sinclair)
aguiles@pro-fac.cts.com (A. Guiles)
ah752@yfn.ysu.edu (Jennifer Peters)
alb@cognos.com (Al Belyea)
alfred!vicstoy!aphelps@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Austin Phelps)
amorton@ecr.mu.oz.au (Anthony_Bruce MORTON)
arb@sunsrvr3.cci.com (Anthony Bean)
as607@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Ostanik)
b45075@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Nathaniel Trost)
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us
banana@Panix.Com (Walter Polkosnik)
bazyar@csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
bbs-bdoherty@jwt.oau.org (Benjamin Doherty)
bclark@jupiter.chi.il.us (Brian Clark)
beejay@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Basil Johnson)
behrenss@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Soenke Behrens)
berigan@platte.unk.edu
bill@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Bill Schanks)
bill@pro-storm.metronet.com (Bill Long, Sysop)
Bill@skynet.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)
bit@gnu.ai.mit.edu
bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Bryan Ogawa)
borchert@ira.uka.de
brendanhr@aol.com
bridson@primate.wisc.edu (Bill Bridson)
bscully@xenitec.xenitec.on.ca (Brian Scully)
bvf@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Joshua Thompson)
bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Bev Woolf - Sysop)
caw@dcs.edinburgh.ac.uk
cbaird@scorch.apana.org.au (Chris Baird)
CHARLES_PLATER@MTS.cc.Wayne.edu
cheneval@lamisun.epfl.ch (Yves Cheneval)
chuckie@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Gunn, C Stephen)
ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu
cmc@brandx.cs.ohiou.edu (C Matthew Curtin)
co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter)
compton@plains.NoDak.edu ("Curtis M. Compton")
cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi (Tero Sand)
dales@pro-novapple.cts.com (Dale Smith)
damin@babbage.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
dbrown@mcvax.csusb.edu (Dan Brown)
dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)
ddkilzer@iastate.edu
dempson@swell.actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert)
dig@pro-cynosure.cts.com (Doug Granzow)
dkopin@pro-fac.cts.com (Dave Kopin)
dmyers@pro-tcc.cts.com (Douglas Myers)
dmyers@pro-tcc.cts.com (Douglas Myers)
dmz@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Zimmerman)
donaldf@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Donald Franklin)
dratzlaf@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norby)
drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)
edward@pro-ren.cts.com (Edward Floden)
elk@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Erik Knopp)
elliota@pro-phx.cts.com (Elliot A)
emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
fadden@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
FDMWINK@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (Larry Wink)
fein@acsu.buffalo.edu (L. Fein)
feline!gray (Kelly Gray)
fgise@pro-cajun.cts.com (Fred Gise)
fhu@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
florpch@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Lawrence S Lee)
fmlin@netcom.com (Frank M. Lin)
fredp@cs.utexas.edu (Fred William Peterson)
frostj@u.washington.edu (Joseph Frost)
fsdlb1@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Derek L Bastille)
fsejd1@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Evan J Day)
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan)
garyh@pro-novapple.cts.com (Gary Hayman)
gdesroch@slate.Mines.Colorado.EDU (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
glenn@cis.ksu.edu (Glenn S. Goldstein)
glyn@amisk.cs.ualberta.ca (Reade Glyn Devin)
goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)
gregd@pro-desert.cts.com (Greg DaCosta)
gregt+@cmu.edu (Gregory Ross Thompson)
grenda@pro-cajun.cts.com (Dave Grenda)
grio@cs.psu.edu (Daniel L Grillo)
grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
gsnow@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (Gary Snow)
gt2011a@prism.gatech.edu (gt2011a SIMMS,WILLIAM SHELDON)
gwlester@cpu.com
hackerb9@u.washington.edu (Nothing to hide)
hal.isc.toronto.ibm.com!jeremy@yoda.isc.toronto.ibm.com
hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf)
hbouma@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
hc23@summitis.com (Thomas Picray)
henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu (Herbert M Petro)
hochstrasse@yogi.urz.unibas.ch
hockley@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dallas Hockley)
hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
iigs@wam.umd.edu (The Doctor)
irie@husc.harvard.edu
irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez)
jagolia@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L Brookes)
jamesz@pro-friends.cts.com (James Zajkowski)
jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
jblaby@cyberstore.ca
jblass@cibbs.north.net
jchappel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeanne Chappell)
jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
jeffh@apple.com (Jeff Holcomb)
jemorti@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Jack Mortimer - K31)
jerryb@pro-fac.cts.com (Jerry Bolduc)
jfritz@ceco.ceco.com (John A. Fritz)
jgibb@reed.edu (Jason Gibb)
jguy@pro-finders.cts.com (Jerry Guy)
jimmys@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Jimmy Shaw)
jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (James David Wong)
jkinker@pro-fac.cts.com (Joel Kinker)
jlcooper@sacam.orEn.ortn.edu (Jonathan L Cooper)
jlee@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("Joseph T. Lee")
jmire@pro-cajun.cts.com (John Mire)
jmk3@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU
jmoore@pro-fac.cts.com (John Moore)
joefrank@owlnet.rice.edu (Joseph Frank Shidle)
joeo@pro-phx.cts.com (Joe Oliver)
john.farris@canrem.com (John Farris)
johns@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (John Sparkman)
johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
johnyancho@pro-fac.cts.com (John Yancho)
jon@qedbbs.com (Jonathan Fether)
jphaid@pro-nbs.cts.com (JP Haid)
jsimmons@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Jason Simmons)
just.dave@genie.geis.com
jwolverton@pro-tcc.cts.com (John Wolverton)
jws54@cas.org
kapffer@informatik.mathematik.uni-mainz.de (Matthias Kapffer)
kentd@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Kent Dickey)
KITZMAN@AC.GRIN.EDU ("Kitzman,Dennis W")
kkenn@cola.pax.tpa.com.au (Kristian Kennaway)
klo@stern.nyu.edu (Usurper!)
kludge@pro-zap.cts.com (Guillaume Patte)
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)
lablues!larry@mother.bates.edu (Lawrance A. Schneider)
larryc@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Larry Colton)
lin@Athena.MIT.EDU
lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
lmire@pro-cajun.cts.com (Elizabeth Mire)
lop@pro-zap.cts.com (laurent Pontailler)
lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell)
lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)
lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
m.tiernan@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Michael Tiernan)
maaa@pro-berks.cts.com (Joseph Palamar)
mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
mcgovern@cs.colostate.edu (Mike McGovern)
mcoulter@nde.unl.edu (mary coulter)
mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
mdj@pro-mdj.dude.acme.fred.org (Mark de Jong)
mholtz@netcom.com (Mark Holtz)
mikep@pro-berks.cts.com (Mike Palamar)
mikeu@pro-magic.oau.org (Mike Ungerman)
MISC059@csc.canterbury.ac.nz ("Damon Rand, Canterbury Uni, NZ")
mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
mlensenmayer@pro-tcc.cts.com (Mark Lensenmayer)
mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
mo@pro-woolf.cts.com (Morgan DiGesualdo)
mort@apollo.hp.com (Stephen Moriarty)
mrapple@quack.kfu.com (Nick Sayer)
mshecket@pro-tcc.cts.com (Michael Shecket)
msjohnso@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (micah shane johnson)
mspaeth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wayne Gretzky)
murph@apple.com (Jim Murphy)
nathan@cco.caltech.edu (Nathan Mates)
neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
nwp90@ecs.southampton.ac.uk (Nick Phillips)
ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu (Bill Owens)
PHS172M@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker)
power@cyberspace.org (Russ Woodroofe)
programer@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Marek Kozubal)
prophet@cheshire.oxy.edu (Dale B. LaFountain)
psonnek@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Patrick Sonnek)
pthirose@chorizo.engr.ucdavis.edu (Paul Hirose)
quor@qedbbs.com (Matthew Ghio)
r.merrill2@genie.geis.com
rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
reevess@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Reeves)
RGSHACKE@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU
RHILL@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU (Robert Hill)
rhood@pro-gonzo.cts.com (Robert Hood)
richard@fiu.edu (Richard A Simm)
richardd@pro-ed.cts.com (Richard Duncan)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rickd@comtch.computech.spk.wa.us (Rick Diffley)
rickk@pro-tcc.cts.com (Rick Kennedy)
rjm@pro-fac.cts.com (Robert McCabe)
rlw@chem.wayne.edu (Ron Wilson)
rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward)
robert-s@cs.aukuni.ac.nz
root@hastur.cc.edu (The Super User)
rtg@egr.duke.edu
rubini@ipvvis.UNIPV.IT (Alessandro Rubini)
rwifall@NMSU.Edu (Richard Wifall)
samd@pro-woolf.cts.com (Samantha Digesualdo)
samp@pro-gallup.cts.com (Sam Pemberton - Sys Admin)
samp@pro-gallup.cts.com (Sam Pemberton - Sys Admin)
sbdocker@acs.ucalgary.ca (Sean Dockery)
schmaus@ee.ualberta.ca (Roy Schmaus)
schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
scot@jlc.MV.COM (Scot Salmon)
sebugg@cs1.presby.edu (Stephen Buggie)
sltheria@cherry.wustl.edu (Seth L Theriault)
smarry@zooid.guild.org (Marc Moorcroft)
snash@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven E Nash)
SPECTOR@Vax2.Concordia.CA (Mitchell Spector)
sphinx@pro-gateway.cts.com (Counse Broders)
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
stgeorge@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Steve George)
sysadm@pro-cajun.cts.com (System Administrator)
szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
tdslotte@mcs.drexel.edu (Dave Slotter)
thes+@cmu.edu ("Seth D. Kadesh")
thomasg@staff.tc.umn.edu (Thomas D.Gasser)
tigersharke@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Curt Dox)
toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
towel@elcsci.com ("Lee Towe")
tribby@hpisrhc.cup.hp.com (Dave Tribby)
tsavage@ub.d.umn.edu (Tim Savage)
tye@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
ULTIMAV@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU ("Everybody knows!....")
unknown@apple.com (tuu)
USR3947A@cbos.uc.edu
USTAI@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU (Ki Bon Riki)
vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
vwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Vet Woolf)
walter@pro-christ.cts.com (Walter B. Hoye II)
wilkins@cs.ubc.ca (Heath Wilkinson)
wrh@physics.wm.edu (William Hall)
wsgentry@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
wulf@cip.physik.uni-stuttgart.de (Wulf Hofbauer)
yucath@leland.Stanford.EDU
zcameron@pro-dharma.cts.com (Zachariah Cameron)

From 90taobri@r-node.hub.org Fri May 28 18:14:37 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: 90taobri@r-node.hub.org (Brian T Tao)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.gno,alt.bbs.metal,alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2
Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.apple2 reorganization passes
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           RESULTS - comp.sys.apple2 reorganization passes

Submitted by:    Brian Tao <taob@r-node.hub.org>
Date submitted:  May 23 1993

    Voting on the comp.sys.apple2 (csa2) reorganization is now CLOSED.
Please do not send any more votes -- they will be discarded.  Thanks
to all who participated in the discussion and voting.

    A total of 303 valid votes were received (not including 8
duplicate votes which were discarded).  Proposals for the creation of
four new unmoderated newsgroups have all passed (YES votes exceed NO
votes by 100 or more, and over two-thirds of the votes are YES).  YES
and NO votes may not always add up to 303 because of abstentions:

comp.sys.apple2 reorganization results - 303 votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 259   38 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.sys.apple2.comm
 266   33 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.sys.apple2.marketplace
 266   34 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.sys.apple2.programmer
 236   56 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.sys.apple2.usergroups

csa2.comm         Discussions related to Apple II data communications
csa2.marketplace  Buying/selling/trading of Apple II-related equipment
csa2.programmer   Discussions related to Apple II programming
csa2.usergroups   Discussions related to running an Apple II user group


    According to the "Guidelines" posting, there will be a five-day
waiting period after this notice appears on news.announce.newgroups in
which any serious concerns or corrections to the results list should
be brought to my attention.  If no major objections are made against
the results of the vote or the voting procedure, newgroup control
messages will be sent out by the moderator of news.announce.newgroups,
David Lawrence.

    Of note:  an above-average proportion of ProLine BBS users
participated in the vote (74 votes, or about one-quarter).  ProLine is
an Apple II-based network that carries Internet e-mail and Usenet
news.  Users of these systems have traditionally been "lurkers" on
Usenet -- reading but rarely posting.  My thanks to the sysops of
various ProLine systems for making the RFD and CFV's easily accessible
to their users and encouraging them to vote.  BTW, for anyone who has
money riding on this, pro-cajun wins with the most votes at 15.  :)

    I should also mention Ron Dippold, the author of the UseVote vote-
taking software which made the usually mundane task of running a CFV
trivial.  It processes the voting account's mailbox, scans for votes,
interprets the ballot, adds the results to the database and checks for
duplicate votes.  It also generates voting ballots, personal vote
acknowledgments, mass ACK listings, tally results and final voting
results.  Did I miss anything, Ron?  ;-)  I've compiled it on seven
different architectures, from my Apple IIGS using ORCA/C and GNO, to a
386/33 with Linux/gcc, to a Sparcstation 10 running SunOS 4.13 and
gcc.   Anyone who wants to run a CFV (especially a multi-vote CFV)
should take a look at his software.  Truly a fantastic time-saver.

    The list of voters and their votes follows.  'Y' means yes, 'N'
means no and a '-' means an abstention.  Column 1 contains the votes
for csa2.comm, 2 is csa2.marketplace, 3 is csa2.marketplace and 4 is
csa2.usergroups.  Again, thanks to all who voted.


comp.sys.apple2 reorganization Final Vote Ack                           1234
                                                                        ====
100037.146@compuserve.com ("John M. Stoll")                             YYYY
34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (John Goggan)                               YYYY
90taobri@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (Brian Tao)                              YYYY
a.guillaume@trl.oz.au (Andrew Guillaume)                                YYYY
aa382@freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Sira)                                   YYY-
acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)                                           YYYN
achauhan@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan)                     YYYN
ad657@freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Bois)                                 YYYY
afcdyajim@aol.com                                                       YYYY
afljoeys@aol.com                                                        YYYY
agpbrs@pnv.palm.cri.nz (Bruce R. Sinclair)                              NNNN
aguiles@pro-fac.cts.com (A. Guiles)                                     YYYY
ah752@yfn.ysu.edu (Jennifer Peters)                                     YYYY
al192420@next20.mty.itesm.mx                                            NNNN
alb@cognos.com (Al Belyea)                                              YYYY
alfred!vicstoy!aphelps@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Austin Phelps)               YYYY
amorton@ecr.mu.oz.au (Anthony_Bruce MORTON)                             YYYY
andrews@pro-cajun.cts.com (Andrew)                                      YYYY
arb@sunsrvr3.cci.com (Anthony Bean)                                     YYNN
as607@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Ostanik)                              YYYY
awillis@MIT.EDU (Albert Willis)                                         YYYY
b.wells5@pro-magic.oau.org (Brian Wells)                                YYYY
b45075@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Nathaniel Trost)                           YYYY
balr!vpnet!vpnet!vagrant@clout.chi.il.us                                YYYN
banana@Panix.Com (Walter Polkosnik)                                     NYYN
bazyar@csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)                                          YYYY
bbs-bdoherty@jwt.oau.org (Benjamin Doherty)                             YYYY
bclark@jupiter.chi.il.us (Brian Clark)                                  YYYN
beejay@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Basil Johnson)                               YYYY
behrenss@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Soenke Behrens)                     YYYN
berigan@platte.unk.edu                                                  YYYY
bill@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Bill Schanks)                               YYYY
bill@pro-storm.metronet.com (Bill Long, Sysop)                          YYYY
Bill@skynet.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle)                              YYYY
billf@pro-novapple.cts.com (William Fry)                                YYYY
bit@gnu.ai.mit.edu                                                      Y-Y-
bjohnson@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Brian Johnson)                            NNNN
bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Bryan Ogawa)                            YYYY
bn244@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ruth White)                                YYYY
boom@pro-cajun.cts.com (Abe Bren)                                       YYYY
borchert@ira.uka.de                                                     YYYY
brendanhr@aol.com                                                       YYYY
bridson@primate.wisc.edu (Bill Bridson)                                 NNYN
brunom@pro-cajun.cts.com (Bruno Melton)                                 YYYY
bscully@xenitec.xenitec.on.ca (Brian Scully)                            YYYY
bvf@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Joshua Thompson)                              YYYY
bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Bev Woolf - Sysop)                            YYYY
caw@dcs.edinburgh.ac.uk                                                 YYYY
cbaird@scorch.apana.org.au (Chris Baird)                                YYYN
CBUDEWIG@bldg284.awacs.af.mil                                           YYYY
CHARLES_PLATER@MTS.cc.Wayne.edu                                         YYYY
CHEM8W@Jetson.UH.EDU (FLIP)                                             YYYY
CHEMAQ@Jetson.UH.EDU                                                    YYYY
cheneval@lamisun.epfl.ch (Yves Cheneval)                                NNNN
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)                               -N--
chuckie@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Gunn, C Stephen)                            YYYY
ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)                                         YYYY
cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu                                          NNNN
cmc@brandx.cs.ohiou.edu (C Matthew Curtin)                              YYYY
co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter)                         YYYY
compton@plains.NoDak.edu ("Curtis M. Compton")                          YYYY
csdgwh@sn370.utica.ge.com (Glenn W. Hoffman)                            YYYY
cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi (Tero Sand)                                      YYYY
cward@Think.COM (Christopher Ward)                                      NNNN
dales@pro-novapple.cts.com (Dale Smith)                                 YYYY
damin@babbage.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)                          YYYY
david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)                                  YYYY
dbrown@mcvax.csusb.edu (Dan Brown)                                      YYYY
dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green)                                YYYY
ddkilzer@iastate.edu                                                    NYNY
dean@pro-cajun.cts.com (Dean Mulig)                                     YYYY
dempson@swell.actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)                              YYYY
derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert)                                YYYY
dig@pro-cynosure.cts.com (Doug Granzow)                                 YYYY
dkopin@pro-fac.cts.com (Dave Kopin)                                     YYYY
dmag@engin.umich.edu (Daniel Demaggio)                                  YYYY
dmyers@pro-tcc.cts.com (Douglas Myers)                                  YYYY
dmz@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Zimmerman)                                  YYYY
donaldf@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Donald Franklin)                          YYYY
dratzlaf@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norby)                                          YYYY
drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)                                    YYYY
edward@pro-ren.cts.com (Edward Floden)                                  YYYY
ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu ("Eric J. Olson")                                N-NN
elk@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Erik Knopp)                                  YYYY
elliota@pro-phx.cts.com (Elliot A)                                      YYYY
emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)                                  NNNN
fadden@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)                           NYYN
FDMWINK@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (Larry Wink)                                  NNNN
fein@acsu.buffalo.edu (L. Fein)                                         YYYY
feline!gray (Kelly Gray)                                                YYYY
fgise@pro-cajun.cts.com (Fred Gise)                                     YYYY
fhu@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU                                                  YYYY
florpch@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Lawrence S Lee)                             YYYY
fmlin@netcom.com (Frank M. Lin)                                         YYYY
foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)                          YYYY
fredp@cs.utexas.edu (Fred William Peterson)                             NNNN
frostj@u.washington.edu (Joseph Frost)                                  YYYY
fsdlb1@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Derek L Bastille)                    YYYY
fsejd1@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Evan J Day)                          YYYN
FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan)                               YNYN
garyh@pro-novapple.cts.com (Gary Hayman)                                YYYY
gdesroch@slate.Mines.Colorado.EDU (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)            YYYY
GENE.M.LINKOSKI@gte.sprint.com                                          YYYY
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)                           YNYN
glenn@cis.ksu.edu (Glenn S. Goldstein)                                  YYYN
glyn@amisk.cs.ualberta.ca (Reade Glyn Devin)                            YYYY
goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)                                       YYYY
gregd@pro-desert.cts.com (Greg DaCosta)                                 YYYY
gregt+@cmu.edu (Gregory Ross Thompson)                                  YYYY
grenda@pro-cajun.cts.com (Dave Grenda)                                  YYYY
grio@cs.psu.edu (Daniel L Grillo)                                       NNNN
grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)                                 NYYN
gsnow@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (Gary Snow)                                 YYYY
gt2011a@prism.gatech.edu (gt2011a SIMMS,WILLIAM SHELDON)                YYYY
guertinp@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Paul Guertin)                                -YY-
gwlester@cpu.com                                                        YYYY
hackerb9@u.washington.edu (Nothing to hide)                             YYYY
hal.isc.toronto.ibm.com!jeremy@yoda.isc.toronto.ibm.com                 YYYY
hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf)                              YYYY
hbouma@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)                  YYYY
hc23@summitis.com (Thomas Picray)                                       YYYY
henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)                               YYYN
hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Jones-evans Dwayne C)                       YYYN
hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu (Herbert M Petro)                               NNNN
hochstrasse@yogi.urz.unibas.ch                                          YYYY
hockley@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dallas Hockley)                               YYYY
hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)                                     YYYY
hunter@pro-cajun.cts.com (Clint Bailey)                                 YYYY
ibpunk@sizone.jaywon.pci.on.ca (Mike Vandenberg)                        YYYY
iigs@wam.umd.edu (The Doctor)                                           YYYY
irie@husc.harvard.edu                                                   NNNN
irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)                                        YYYY
j0p7771@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jason Perez)                                   NNNN
jagolia@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU                                              YYYY
jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L Brookes)                              YYYY
jamesz@pro-friends.cts.com (James Zajkowski)                            YYYY
jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)                                NNNN
jaycew@pro-cajun.cts.com (Jayce)                                        YYYY
jberger@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Berger)                                     YYYY
jblaby@cyberstore.ca                                                    YYYY
jblass@cibbs.north.net                                                  YYYY
jbrowaty@muug.mb.ca (Jeff Browaty)                                      YYYY
jchappel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeanne Chappell)                                YYYY
jeff@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Jeff Jungblut)                               YYYY
jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)                                YYYY
jeffh@apple.com (Jeff Holcomb)                                          YYYY
jemorti@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Jack Mortimer - K31)                       YYYY
jerryb@pro-fac.cts.com (Jerry Bolduc)                                   YYYY
jfritz@ceco.ceco.com (John A. Fritz)                                    YYYY
jgd@Dixie.Com (John De Armond)                                          NNNN
jgibb@reed.edu (Jason Gibb)                                             YYYN
jguy@pro-finders.cts.com (Jerry Guy)                                    YYYY
jimmys@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Jimmy Shaw)                                  YYYY
jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (James David Wong)                              YYYY
jkinker@pro-fac.cts.com (Joel Kinker)                                   YYYY
jlcooper@sacam.orEn.ortn.edu (Jonathan L Cooper)                        YYYY
jlee@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("Joseph T. Lee")                               YYYY
jmire@pro-cajun.cts.com (John Mire)                                     YYYY
jmk3@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU                                              YYYN
jmoore@pro-fac.cts.com (John Moore)                                     YYYY
joefrank@owlnet.rice.edu (Joseph Frank Shidle)                          YYYY
joeo@pro-phx.cts.com (Joe Oliver)                                       YYYY
john.farris@canrem.com (John Farris)                                    YYYY
johns@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (John Sparkman)                             YYYY
johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)                                      YYYY
johnyancho@pro-fac.cts.com (John Yancho)                                YYYY
jon@qedbbs.com (Jonathan Fether)                                        YYYY
jphaid@pro-nbs.cts.com (JP Haid)                                        YYYY
js3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Vincent Schultz)                            YNNN
jsimmons@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Jason Simmons)                                YYYY
just.dave@genie.geis.com                                                YYYY
jwolverton@pro-tcc.cts.com (John Wolverton)                             YYYY
jws54@cas.org                                                           YYYY
kapffer@informatik.mathematik.uni-mainz.de (Matthias Kapffer)           YYYY
kentd@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Kent Dickey)                                   YYYY
kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)                                YYYN
KITZMAN@AC.GRIN.EDU ("Kitzman,Dennis W")                                YYYY
kkenn@cola.pax.tpa.com.au (Kristian Kennaway)                           YYYY
klo@stern.nyu.edu (Usurper!)                                            YYYY
kludge@pro-zap.cts.com (Guillaume Patte)                                YYYY
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)                                     YYYY
kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name)                                 YYYY
kris.w@pro-cajun.cts.com (Kris)                                         YYYY
lablues!larry@mother.bates.edu (Lawrance A. Schneider)                  YYYY
larryc@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Larry Colton)                              YYYN
lin@Athena.MIT.EDU                                                      NNNN
lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)                                  NNNN
lmire@pro-cajun.cts.com (Elizabeth Mire)                                YYYY
lop@pro-zap.cts.com (laurent Pontailler)                                YYYY
lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell)                                 YYYY
lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)                      YYYY
lunatix!pbenson@ms.uky.edu                                              YYYY
lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)                                       YYYY
m.tiernan@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Michael Tiernan)                        YYYY
maaa@pro-berks.cts.com (Joseph Palamar)                                 YYYY
mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)                                       --Y-
max@texsys.com (Max Heffler)                                            YYYY
mcgovern@cs.colostate.edu (Mike McGovern)                               YYYY
mcoulter@nde.unl.edu (mary coulter)                                     YYYY
mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com (Morgan Davis)                                   YYYY
mdj@pro-mdj.dude.acme.fred.org (Mark de Jong)                           YYYY
meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)                                YYYY
mfs@ted.cray.com (Mark Sauder)                                          YYYY
mholtz@netcom.com (Mark Holtz)                                          NNNN
mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)                                      YYYY
mikep@pro-berks.cts.com (Mike Palamar)                                  YYYY
mikeu@pro-magic.oau.org (Mike Ungerman)                                 YYYY
MISC059@csc.canterbury.ac.nz ("Damon Rand, Canterbury Uni, NZ")         YYYY
mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)                                        NNNN
mlensenmayer@pro-tcc.cts.com (Mark Lensenmayer)                         -YYY
mmedia!mcfarlin@hoss.unl.edu (David McFarling)                          YYYY
mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)                                 NNNN
mo@pro-woolf.cts.com (Morgan DiGesualdo)                                YYYY
mort@apollo.hp.com (Stephen Moriarty)                                   YYYY
mrapple@quack.kfu.com (Nick Sayer)                                      NNNN
mshecket@pro-tcc.cts.com (Michael Shecket)                              YYYY
msjohnso@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (micah shane johnson)                   YYYY
mspaeth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wayne Gretzky)                       YYYY
murph@apple.com (Jim Murphy)                                            YYYY
nathan@cco.caltech.edu (Nathan Mates)                                   YYYY
neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)                YYYY
nwp90@ecs.southampton.ac.uk (Nick Phillips)                             YYYY
ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)                              YYY-
owens@cookiemonster.cc.rochester.edu (Bill Owens)                       NNNN
paulb@pro-cajun.cts.com (Paul Browneng)                                 YYYY
PHS172M@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker)                          YYYY
power@cyberspace.org (Russ Woodroofe)                                   YYYY
prisoner@tsoft.net (Kent Keltner)                                       NYYY
programer@pro-applebcs.cts.com (Marek Kozubal)                          YYYY
prophet@cheshire.oxy.edu (Dale B. LaFountain)                           YYYY
psonnek@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Patrick Sonnek)                          YYYY
pthirose@chorizo.engr.ucdavis.edu (Paul Hirose)                         NYNN
quor@qedbbs.com (Matthew Ghio)                                          YYY-
r.merrill2@genie.geis.com                                               YYYY
rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)                                     YYYY
reevess@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Reeves)                              -YY-
rew.the.cat@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Andrew Berg)                         ----
RGSHACKE@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU                                             YYYN
RHILL@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU (Robert Hill)                                  YYYY
rhood@pro-gonzo.cts.com (Robert Hood)                                   YYYY
richard@fiu.edu (Richard A Simm)                                        NNNN
richardd@pro-ed.cts.com (Richard Duncan)                                YYYY
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)                        YNYN
rickd@comtch.computech.spk.wa.us (Rick Diffley)                         YYYY
rickk@pro-tcc.cts.com (Rick Kennedy)                                    YYYY
rjm@pro-fac.cts.com (Robert McCabe)                                     YYYY
rlw@chem.wayne.edu (Ron Wilson)                                         YYYY
rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward)                                YYYY
robert-s@cs.aukuni.ac.nz                                                YYY-
root@hastur.cc.edu (The Super User)                                     YYYY
rtg@egr.duke.edu                                                        YYYY
rubini@ipvvis.UNIPV.IT (Alessandro Rubini)                              YYYY
rwifall@NMSU.Edu (Richard Wifall)                                       YYYY
samd@pro-woolf.cts.com (Samantha Digesualdo)                            YYYY
samp@pro-gallup.cts.com (Sam Pemberton - Sys Admin)                     YYYY
sbdocker@acs.ucalgary.ca (Sean Dockery)                                 YYYY
schmaus@ee.ualberta.ca (Roy Schmaus)                                    YYYY
schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)                                           YYYY
scot@jlc.MV.COM (Scot Salmon)                                           YYYY
sebugg@cs1.presby.edu (Stephen Buggie)                                  YYYY
sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)                           YYYY
sltheria@cherry.wustl.edu (Seth L Theriault)                            YYYY
smarry@zooid.guild.org (Marc Moorcroft)                                 NNNN
snash@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven E Nash)                         YYYY
snelson@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Steven Nelson)                            NYNY
SPECTOR@Vax2.Concordia.CA (Mitchell Spector)                            YYYY
sphinx@pro-gateway.cts.com (Counse Broders)                             YYYY
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)                                      NNNN
ssanders@pro-cajun.cts.com (Steve)                                      YYYY
ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU                                                  YYYY
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)                           YYYY
stgeorge@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Steve George)                           YYYY
sysadm@pro-cajun.cts.com (System Administrator)                         YYYY
szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)                   YYYY
tdslotte@mcs.drexel.edu (Dave Slotter)                                  YYYY
tesitzla@sacam.orEn.ortn.edu (Travis E Sitzlar)                         YYYY
thes+@cmu.edu ("Seth D. Kadesh")                                        YYYY
thomasg@staff.tc.umn.edu (Thomas D.Gasser)                              NNNN
tigersharke@pro-algonquin.cts.com (Curt Dox)                            YYYY
toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)                               YYYY
towel@elcsci.com ("Lee Towe")                                           YYYY
trentc@pro-calgary.cts.com (Trent Corney)                               YYYY
tribby@hpisrhc.cup.hp.com (Dave Tribby)                                 YYYY
tsavage@ub.d.umn.edu (Tim Savage)                                       YYYY
tye@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)                           NYYN
uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu                                                 YYYY
ULTIMAV@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU ("Everybody knows!....")                  YYYY
unknown@apple.com (tuu)                                                 YYYY
USR3947A@cbos.uc.edu                                                    YY-Y
USTAI@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU (Ki Bon Riki)                                    YYYY
vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)                                         YYY-
vwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Vet Woolf)                                    YYYY
walter@pro-christ.cts.com (Walter B. Hoye II)                           YYYY
weasel@pro-cajun.cts.com (Kevin Welch)                                  YYYY
wilkins@cs.ubc.ca (Heath Wilkinson)                                     YYYY
wixer!khym@cactus.org (Dave Huang)                                      YYYY
wrh@physics.wm.edu (William Hall)                                       YYYY
wsgentry@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)                          NYNN
wulf@cip.physik.uni-stuttgart.de (Wulf Hofbauer)                        YYYY
york@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE                                     YYYY
yucath@leland.Stanford.EDU                                              YYYN
zcameron@pro-dharma.cts.com (Zachariah Cameron)                         YYYY
ziridan@echosphere.com ("Daniel Zirin")                                 NNNN
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