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From [email protected] Fri Jun 19 13:20:21 1992
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From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks)
Subject: RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
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Recently there has been some discussion on splitting up the comp.sys.sgi
newsgroup hierarchy. I have volunteered to initiate a formal discussion
on possible ways of performing the split. The following Request for
Discussion (RFD) is based on a melding of the various posting.

I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed. I request
postings on the appropriateness of these specific news groups.

  admin		Discussions of system administration issues
  announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp archives)
  hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of periphials
  gl		Discussion of Graphics Library Issues
  wanted	Postings looking for specific programs, hardware, for sale, etc.
  misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.

It should be noted that there was at least one comment indicating that
the gl group should be in comp.windows. I am interested in the opinions of
others on that issue.

In addition, I propose that there be another group or groups that are more
oriented to software/programming. In the earlier discussion the following
groups were suggested. I have added a brief charter based on what I believe
the name implies. I request posting on determining which if any of the
following news groups should also be formed.

  apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those
	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  irix		Discussions about the IRIX operating system.
  programmers	Discussions about programming issues unique to SGI platforms.
  software	Discussion of software related issues on SGI machines.


One of the issues with splitting up the comp.sys newsgroups is how this
would effect the info-iris mailing list. I made the following suggestion
to the administrator of info-iris:

For each separate comp.sys.sgi newsgroup there would be a separate info-iris
mailing list.  Individuals without USENET access then could subscribe to the
individual mailing lists. Initially people currently on the info-iris mailing
list would be placed on all the lists and then they could unsubscribe to the
ones they don't want.

I did not receive a reply on if this proposal was acceptable or not, but
would like to use it as the basis for discussions on how the mailing lists
should be handled, but will be glad to entertain other suggestions.
-- 
Matt Wicks
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
[email protected]
708-840-8083

From [email protected] Tue Jul 21 17:08:58 1992
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From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks)
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
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A little over a month ago, I posted a Request for Discussion (RFD) for
splitting the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. A number of responses were posted
and/or sent directly to me. The feedback provided by this input is the basis
for this 2nd RFD. I welcome any posting and/or replys on the proposed
re-organization.

In general, everyone seemed to be in favor of doing a split. We simply need
to reach consensus on the specifics of the split and then move to a Call
For Vote (CFV).

The changes from the original RFD are as follows:

 - Reduction in the total number of groups to avoid overlap
 - Expansion of the scope of the .admin group
 - Additions of a .bugs group
 - Change of name of the .gl group to .graphics and expand its scope. A
   separate RFD is being conducted for a comp.graphics.opengl group for general
   gl issues.

I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:

  admin		Discussions of system administration issues. This would
		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
  announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
		archives, etc)
  apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those
	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
  graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
		to using a SGI machine.
  hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
		perhipherals.
  misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.


One of the issues with splitting up the comp.sys newsgroups is how this
would effect the info-iris mailing list. I made the following suggestion
to the administrator of info-iris:

For each separate comp.sys.sgi newsgroup there would be a separate info-iris
mailing list.  Individuals without USENET access then could subscribe to the
individual mailing lists. Initially people currently on the info-iris mailing
list would be placed on all the lists and then they could unsubscribe to the
ones they don't want.

I still have not received a reply on if this proposal was acceptable or not,
although the info-iris administrator did attempt to get a hold of me once. I
would like to use it as the basis for discussions on how the mailing lists
should be handled, but will be glad to entertain other suggestions.
-- 
Matt Wicks
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
[email protected]
708-840-8083

From [email protected] Fri Sep 25 12:22:30 1992
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From: [email protected] (Matthew Wicks)
Subject: 3rd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
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First of all, I want to apologize for the long lag time between the 2nd and
3rd RFD. The main issue was how to handle the info-iris mailing list, which
required interaction with the people actually running this mailing list.
I have finally gotten their feedback and thus this 3rd RFD is unchanged except
on the proposal of how the info-iris mailing list would be handled.

In general, everyone seemed to be in favor of doing a split. We simply need
to reach consensus on the specifics of the split and then move to a Call
For Vote (CFV).

The changes from the original RFD are as follows:

 - Reduction in the total number of groups to avoid overlap
 - Expansion of the scope of the .admin group
 - Additions of a .bugs group
 - Change of name of the .gl group to .graphics and expand its scope. A
   separate RFD is being conducted for a comp.graphics.opengl group for general
   gl issues.

I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:

  admin		Discussions of system administration issues. This would
		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
  announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
		archives, etc)
  apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those
	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
  graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
		to using a SGI machine.
  hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
		perhipherals.
  misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.


The new proposal for how splitting of comp.sys.sgi will effect the info-iris
mailing list is as follows:

 - There will remain one mailing list called [email protected] All of the
   new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of
   info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each
   separate news group. The address for [email protected] will be
   maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the
   mailing list.
 - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group
   (i.e. [email protected], [email protected], etc.). Mail
   sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group
   as well as to the info-iris mailing list.
 - There are two possibilities on how mail addressed to [email protected]
   should be handled.
   - Proposal 1 is that mail sent to [email protected] will be posted to
     comp.sys.sgi.misc as well as going to the info-iris mailing list. People
     would be encouraged to not use this address, but instead to use
     info-iris-<group-name> so the posting went to the correct group.
   - Proposal 2 is that mail sent to [email protected] will be sent only to
     the info-iris mailing list and not be posted to a newsgroup. If people
     want the information in a newsgroup then they should get access to news
     or send it to info-iris-<group-name>.

Thus the main purpose of this RFD is to provide feedback on if you are
satisfied with the way the mailing list will be handled and which proposal
you favor for how the info-iris mailing list should be handled. Chuck
Kennedy, the administrator of info-iris, prefers proposal 1 as he would like
to make sure that people using the mailing list also have their postings
go to news. I prefer proposal 2, because I am afraid that comp.sys.sgi.misc
will end up being equivalent to the current comp.sys.sgi, and it will be
more difficult to use the .misc group. Also, the discussion of an item that
started in .graphics for example, would end up in .misc because someone
replied to info-iris.

Please provide your feedback soon, so we can move to a CFV and finally get
this split taken care of.
-- 
Matt Wicks
Group Leader, UNIX System Support
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
[email protected]
708-840-8083

From [email protected] Wed Nov  4 10:19:40 1992
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Subject: CFV: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
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This article is a CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization of the comp.sys.sgi
hierarchy.

Currently there is a single comp.sys.sgi that receives 50-70 messages a day.
This split will break the group into subject areas to allow people to follow
the areas that are of interest to them. The decisions on which subgroups
are being proposed are the result of 3 RFD's that have occured over the
past 4 months are so.

This proposal also details how the info-iris mailing list will be handled in
light of the split of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. The details of how this
will be handled is based on what the info-iris mailing list administrator is
willing to provide. There is no vote on how the info-iris mailing list is
handled. These changes will take effect, assuming the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy
is split into several groups.

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

+----------+
| PROPOSAL |
+----------+

Create comp.sys.sgi.
  admin         Discussions of system administration issues. This would
                include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
  announce      general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
                archives, etc)
  apps          Discussions of various application packages , both those
                provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  bugs          Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
  graphics      Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
                Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
                to using a SGI machine.
  hardware      Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
                perhipherals.
  misc          Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.

All of the groups except .announce will be unmoderated. It is convention
that a .announce group is moderated. I will serve as the moderator for
the group (Matt Wicks, [email protected]).

The following explains how the info-iris mailing list will be handled, assuming
that the CFV results in a split of the comp.sys.sgi group:

 - There will remain one mailing list called [email protected] All of the
   new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of
   info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each
   separate news group. The address for [email protected] will be
   maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the
   mailing list.
 - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group
   (i.e. [email protected], [email protected], etc.). Mail
   sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group
   as well as to the info-iris mailing list. When mail is sent to one
   of these addresses, the Reply-To: field will be set accordinly to make
   replying easier. For example, mail sent to [email protected] will
   have [email protected] in the Reply-To: field.
 - Mail sent to the address [email protected] will be rejected and a
   message will be returned to the sender informing them of the availability
   of the individual info-iris-subject addresses. This will force people to
   post to a specific news group and allow for all mail and news posting to
   be cross posted.

+-----------+
| RATIONALE |
+-----------+

comp.sys.sgi receives approximately 50-70 messages per day. It is difficult
to follow this group even with the use of a kill file. This split will break
the discussion into specific categories.

+---------------+
| VOTING METHOD |
+---------------+

Send votes to the mailbox "[email protected]".

Each vote must use this form:

======== START VOTING FORM =========
admin          	yes/no/abstain
announce        yes/no/abstain
apps        	yes/no/abstain
bugs            yes/no/abstain
graphics        yes/no/abstain
hardware        yes/no/abstain
misc   		yes/no/abstain
======== END VOTING FORM =========

A valid vote must include a "yes", "no" or "abstain" for EACH proposed
change.  Each proposed newsgroup creation renaming will stand on
its own thus allowing a split of the comp.sys.sgi group, even if a specific
proposed subgroup is unpopular.

+----------+
| SCHEDULE |
+----------+

  1. Discussion:

     The discussion with the last RFD began September 24, 1992 with its posting
     in news.announce.newgroups. The discussion ended on November 2, 1992.

  2. Voting:

     The vote will run through December 2, 1992.

     I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of
     unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the
     vote is over, I will post the final results.

 3.  Waiting Period:

     I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the
     time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.
     During this time, people may report lost votes.

 4.  Consummation:

     After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages for the
     creation of any new groups will be issued.

If all goes as planned, whatever parts of the reorganization that
pass will take effect by December 15, 1992.
-- 
Matt Wicks
Group Leader, UNIX System Support
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
[email protected]             708-840-8083


From [email protected] Fri Nov 20 10:18:30 1992
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This article is the 2nd CALL FOR VOTES on a reorganization of the comp.sys.sgi
hierarchy. It is followed by an acknowledgemenf of votes received (taken
>from the From: line from the vote received).

Currently there is a single comp.sys.sgi that receives 50-70 messages a day.
This split will break the group into subject areas to allow people to follow
the areas that are of interest to them. The decisions on which subgroups
are being proposed are the result of 3 RFD's that have occured over the
past 4 months are so.

This proposal also details how the info-iris mailing list will be handled in
light of the split of the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy. The details of how this
will be handled is based on what the info-iris mailing list administrator is
willing to provide. There is no vote on how the info-iris mailing list is
handled. These changes will take effect, assuming the comp.sys.sgi hierarchy
is split into several groups.

PLEASE EXAMINE THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

+----------+
| PROPOSAL |
+----------+

Create comp.sys.sgi.
  admin         Discussions of system administration issues. This would
                include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
  announce      general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
                archives, etc)
  apps          Discussions of various application packages , both those
                provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
  bugs          Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
  graphics      Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
                Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
                to using a SGI machine.
  hardware      Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
                perhipherals.
  misc          Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.

All of the groups except .announce will be unmoderated. It is convention
that a .announce group is moderated. I will serve as the moderator for
the group (Matt Wicks, [email protected]).

The following explains how the info-iris mailing list will be handled, assuming
that the CFV results in a split of the comp.sys.sgi group:

 - There will remain one mailing list called [email protected] All of the
   new comp.sys.sgi newsgroups would be fed to the mailing list. The admin of
   info-iris is unwilling to maintain individual mailing lists for each
   separate news group. The address for [email protected] will be
   maintained and is to be used to request additions or deletions to the
   mailing list.
 - New mailing addresses will be created for each new comp.sys.sgi group
   (i.e. [email protected], [email protected], etc.). Mail
   sent to these addresses will go to the appropriate comp.sys.sgi group
   as well as to the info-iris mailing list. When mail is sent to one
   of these addresses, the Reply-To: field will be set accordinly to make
   replying easier. For example, mail sent to [email protected] will
   have [email protected] in the Reply-To: field.
 - Mail sent to the address [email protected] will be rejected and a
   message will be returned to the sender informing them of the availability
   of the individual info-iris-subject addresses. This will force people to
   post to a specific news group and allow for all mail and news posting to
   be cross posted.

+-----------+
| RATIONALE |
+-----------+

comp.sys.sgi receives approximately 50-70 messages per day. It is difficult
to follow this group even with the use of a kill file. This split will break
the discussion into specific categories.

+---------------+
| VOTING METHOD |
+---------------+

Send votes to the mailbox "[email protected]".

Each vote must use this form:

======== START VOTING FORM =========
admin          	yes/no/abstain
announce        yes/no/abstain
apps        	yes/no/abstain
bugs            yes/no/abstain
graphics        yes/no/abstain
hardware        yes/no/abstain
misc   		yes/no/abstain
======== END VOTING FORM =========

A valid vote must include a "yes", "no" or "abstain" for EACH proposed
change.  Each proposed newsgroup creation renaming will stand on
its own thus allowing a split of the comp.sys.sgi group, even if a specific
proposed subgroup is unpopular.

+----------+
| SCHEDULE |
+----------+

  1. Discussion:

     The discussion with the last RFD began September 24, 1992 with its posting
     in news.announce.newgroups. The discussion ended on November 2, 1992.

  2. Voting:

     The vote will run through December 2, 1992.

     I will post a second Call For Votes, and possibly a list of
     unreachable return addresses, during the voting period.  When the
     vote is over, I will post the final results.

 3.  Waiting Period:

     I will observe the normal waiting period of five days from the
     time that the final results appear in news.announce.newgroups.
     During this time, people may report lost votes.

 4.  Consummation:

     After the waiting period, the appropriate control messages for the
     creation of any new groups will be issued.

If all goes as planned, whatever parts of the reorganization that
pass will take effect by December 15, 1992.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF VOTES RECEIVED SO FAR:

[email protected] (Brian McClendon)
[email protected] (David Stewart)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.)
[email protected] (Bernd Leibing)
Craig Steinberger <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Lisa Balbes)
[email protected] (Brad Wallet)
[email protected] (Christopher Fouts)
ean-Francois Panisset  <[email protected]>
Michel Besner <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (John R. Vanderpool)
[email protected] (Andreas Wierse)
[email protected] (Mike Yang)
[email protected] (dale chayes)
Mike Weisenborn <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Marc Andreessen)
Steve Rikli <[email protected]>
"Jim Callahan" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Wizard of OZ)
[email protected] (Steve Van Gorder)
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
[email protected] (Aaron Schuman)
[email protected] (Steve Stinedurf)
[email protected] (David A. Southard)
Mike Hoffmann <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Bill Bogstad)
[email protected] (Holly Rushmeier)
[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
B.J.  04-Nov-1992 1157 <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Jason Heirtzler)
[email protected] (Trevor Paquette)
Allen Akin <[email protected]>
David Bremner <[email protected]>
Mark K Greene <wupost.wustl.edu!tripos!uranus!mkg>
[email protected] (Daniel X Pape)
[email protected] (Randy Carpenter)
[email protected] (Jeff Hanson)
Ed Trumbull <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
"John D. McCalpin" <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.)
[email protected] (HAO Computer System Managment Group)
George Lindholm <[email protected]>
emmett@igor.tamri.com (Emmett A. Cunningham)
hjorring@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Curt Hjorring)
wsj@triton.mti.sgi.com (Bill Johnson)
wicks@dcdmjw.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
Doctor Math <root@sanger.chem.nd.edu>
mfolenta@pica.army.mil
amys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Amy K. Swanson)
HACK@fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov
rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
ericjohn@scf.usc.edu (Eric Johnson)
TKIRKMAN@csbsju.edu (Tom Kirkman)
macleod@vissgi.cvrti.utah.edu (Rob MacLeod)
ERCOLESSI@UIMRL4.MRL.UIUC.EDU
ra@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Christoph Ramshorn)
johne@iti.gov.sg (Dr. John S. Eickemeyer)
williams@agomoda.asd.sgi.com (Eric Williams)
Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com>
fairlieb@karman.aod.dsto.gov.au (Bruce Fairlie)
mark@wehi.edu.au (Mark Watson)
<EKLUND@uazhep.physics.arizona.edu>
johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
todd@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
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nathan@hilbert.biology.YALE.EDU (Nathan F. Janette)
Hana Strominger <FIMA602%HAIFAUVM.bitnet@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
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andyr@wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati)
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roger@rod.swmed.utexas.edu (Roger S. Noss)
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
t.sippel-dau@ic.ac.uk
neelin@pet.mni.mcgill.ca (Peter NEELIN)
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"Brent L. Bates ViGYAN AAD/TAB" <blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov>
smb@smb.chem.niu.edu (Steven Bachrach)
rodger@qucis.queensu.ca (Jim Rodger)
"John W. Schwegler" <john@sg25.aud.temple.edu>
ron@odysseus.biochem.ualberta.ca (Ron Meleshko)
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Ken Fitch <fitch@ittc.wec.com>
haidl@mars.cs.uregina.ca (Mark Haidl)
steveg@cadkey.cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)
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Tom Whittaker <tom@sisyphus.arc.nasa.gov>
Jim Reed <reed@shaman.nexagen.com>
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Tim Day <tday@ps.ucl.ac.uk>
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heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting)
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jhp@sand.photon.com
heinau@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau)
creon@nas.nasa.gov (M. Creon Levit)
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Stefan.Farestam@cerfacs.fr
Chris Esposito <chrise@atc.boeing.com>
rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Tom Fitzgerald    <fitz@wang.com>
hoffmann@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Daniel Hoffmann)
andras@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Andras Salamon)
melchers@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Bernd Melchers)
simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
linac.fnal.gov!tellab5!uunet!druid!pseudo!mjn
mjz@Texaco.COM (Mike Zeitlin)
psantangeli@alias.com (Peter Santangeli)
Dave Kinchlea <kinch@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca>
ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton)
mortoj@rpi.edu
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
flynn@eecs.wsu.edu
marby@laura.harvard.edu (Craig Marby)
Marc.Desrochers@BRI.NRC.CA (Marc Desrochers)
T.BARKER@qut.edu.au
muegge@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Ingo Muegge)
"Andrew C. Aitchison" <aca@maths.bath.ac.uk>
Ray Schnitzler <ras@unipress.com>
Mark Bartelt <sysmark@chipmunk.cita.utoronto.ca>
brad@research.nj.nec.com  (Brad Gianulis)
STOUT@msg.UCSF.EDU
Joe Keane <amd.com!osc!jgk>
Michael Quinn <MJQUINN@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
Klaus Rennecke <marion@cs.tu-berlin.de>
mark@laura.harvard.edu (Mark Rambacher)
chk@alias.com (C. Harald Koch)
Lothar Butsch <but@UniBw-Hamburg.DE>
root@random.asd.sgi.com (Super-User)
Charles Shub <cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu>
Sven M. Heinicke" <widener!sven>
sartori@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Fredo Sartori)
phaneuf@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Daniel Phaneuf)
mcleod@esprit.esd.sgi.com (Rick McLeod)
Claude Cantin <cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca>
brighton@pixar.com (Bill Carson)
joes@graphics.cis.upenn.edu (Joseph R. Spann)
Daniel R Adams <dr-adams@ccmail.pnl.gov>
pete@ent-img.com (Pete Carah)
dwallach@zonker.cs.berkeley.edu (Dan Wallach)
camme.ac.be!sunc!cammejpm (J.-P. Malisse CAMME project)
brianm@cbme.unsw.edu.au (Brian Murray)
brust@i5120q.nrl.navy.mil (Joe Brust)
Wayne Podaima <WJP@VM.NRC.CA>
-- 
Matt Wicks
Group Leader, UNIX System Support
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
wicks@fnal.fnal.gov
708-840-8083

From wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov Fri Dec  4 16:15:57 1992
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From: wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.sgi reorganization passes
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Date: 4 Dec 1992 15:49:27 -0500
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All of the proposed groups for the split of comp.sys.sgi have passed. The
following information shows the results of each vote following by the
actual votes received. You have 5 days to correct any mistakes in the
votes as presented. Assuming there are no changes in the results of the vote
control messages to form the new group will be issued December 10, 1993.
The changes to the info-iris@brl.mil mailing list that corresponds to the
comp.sys.sgi newsgroup should also go into effect at about the same time.

The moderator of c.s.s.announce will be Matthew Wicks (wicks@dcdmjw.fnal.gov).

comp.sys.sgi.admin:    YES: 185, NO: 27, ABSTAIN: 1 (unmoderated)
comp.sys.sgi.announce: YES: 181, NO: 29, ABSTAIN: 3 (moderated)
comp.sys.sgi.apps:     YES: 179, NO: 30, ABSTAIN: 4 (unmoderated)
comp.sys.sgi.bugs:     YES: 160, NO: 46, ABSTAIN: 7 (unmoderated)
comp.sys.sgi.graphics: YES: 177, NO: 33, ABSTAIN: 3 (unmoderated)
comp.sys.sgi.hardware: YES: 180, NO: 28, ABSTAIN: 5 (unmoderated)
comp.sys.sgi.misc:     YES: 172, NO: 38, ABSTAIN: 3 (unmoderated)

For a proposal to pass, it must receive >= 100 YES votes than NO votes and
2/3 of the total votes must be YES votes. All groups passed both requirements.

Key: Y = yes; N = no; A = abstain

___________________ vote for c.s.s.admin
|__________________ vote for c.s.s.announce
||_________________ vote for c.s.s.apps
|||________________ vote for c.s.s.bugs
||||_______________ vote for c.s.s.graphics
|||||______________ vote for c.s.s.hardware
||||||_____________ vote for c.s.s.misc
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YYYYYYY m@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon)
YYYYYYY stewart@mol.ucns.uga.edu (David Stewart)
YYYYYYY khillig@Chem.LSA.umich.edu
YYYYYYY weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.)
YYYYYYY leibing@omi.e-technik.uni-ulm.de (Bernd Leibing)
NNNNNNN Craig Steinberger <stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu>
YYYYYYY balbes@osiris.rti.org (Lisa Balbes)
YYYYYYY bwallet%apssgi@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brad Wallet)
YYYYYYY fouts@exacto.dallas.sgi.com (Christopher Fouts)
YYYYYYY ean-Francois Panisset  <panisset@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>
YNNYNYN Michel Besner <frite@info.polymtl.ca>
YYYAYAY dbj@james.psych.yale.edu
NNNNNNN Jeremy.DuBois@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
NNNNNNN fish@eosdads.gsfc.nasa.gov (John R. Vanderpool)
YYYAYYY Wierse@rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Andreas Wierse)
NNNNNNN mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang)
YYYYYYY dale@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (dale chayes)
YYYNYNY Mike Weisenborn <mdw@hojo.larc.nasa.gov>
YYYYYYY marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen)
YYYYAYY Steve Rikli <steve@archone.tamu.edu>
YYNYYYN "Jim Callahan" <jmc@sioux.eel.ufl.edu>
YYYYYYY gary@enigma.esd.sgi.com (Wizard of OZ)
YYYYYYY steve@chaos.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Van Gorder)
YYYNNYN rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
YYYNYYN schuman@eacces.wpd.sgi.com (Aaron Schuman)
YYYYYYY stinedur@wl.com (Steve Stinedurf)
YYYYYYY dave@stereo.mitre.org (David A. Southard)
YYYYYYY Mike Hoffmann <Mike.Hoffmann@ap.mchp.sni.de>
YYYYYYY bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad)
YYYYYYY holly@cam.nist.gov (Holly Rushmeier)
YYYYYYY matwood@labhp11.cs.utah.edu (Mark Atwood)
YYYYYYY B.J.  04-Nov-1992 1157 <herbison@erlang.enet.dec.com>
YYYYYYY jdh@bu-pub.bu.edu (Jason Heirtzler)
YYYYYYY tpaquett@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette)
YYYAYAY Allen Akin <akin@tuolumne.asd.sgi.com>
YYYAYYY David Bremner <bremner@cs.sfu.ca>
YYYYYYY Mark K Greene <wupost.wustl.edu!tripos!uranus!mkg>
YYYYYYY dpape@imlab.landarch.uiuc.edu (Daniel X Pape)
YYYYYYY syscrc@pickle.Gsu.EDU (Randy Carpenter)
YYYYYYY tohanson@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Hanson)
YYYYYYY Ed Trumbull <trumbull@unx.sas.com>
YYYYNYY mmt@redbrick.com (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS)
YYYYYYY "John D. McCalpin" <mccalpin@perelandra.cms.udel.edu>
NNNYYYY fred@poly2.nist.gov (Frederick R. Phelan Jr.)
YYYYYYY sitongia@ozzel.hao.ucar.edu (HAO Computer System Managment Group)
YYYYYYY George Lindholm <lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca>
YYYYYYY emmett@igor.tamri.com (Emmett A. Cunningham)
YYYYYYY hjorring@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Curt Hjorring)
NNNNNNN wsj@triton.mti.sgi.com (Bill Johnson)
YYYNYYY wicks@dcdmjw.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks)
YYYYYYY Doctor Math <root@sanger.chem.nd.edu>
NNNNNNN mfolenta@pica.army.mil
YYYNYYY amys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Amy K. Swanson)
YNYNNYN HACK@fcrfv2.ncifcrf.gov
YYYYYYY rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
YYYYYYY ericjohn@scf.usc.edu (Eric Johnson)
NNNNNNN TKIRKMAN@csbsju.edu (Tom Kirkman)
YYYYYYY macleod@vissgi.cvrti.utah.edu (Rob MacLeod)
NANNNNN ERCOLESSI@UIMRL4.MRL.UIUC.EDU
YYYYYYY ra@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Christoph Ramshorn)
YYYYYYY johne@iti.gov.sg (Dr. John S. Eickemeyer)
YYYYYYY williams@agomoda.asd.sgi.com (Eric Williams)
YYYYYYY Scott Blachowicz <scott@statsci.com>
YYYYYYY fairlieb@karman.aod.dsto.gov.au (Bruce Fairlie)
YYYYYYY mark@wehi.edu.au (Mark Watson)
YYYYYYY <EKLUND@uazhep.physics.arizona.edu>
YYYNYYY johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
YYYYYYY todd@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
YYYYYYY keving <keving@corin.ultra.com>
YYYYAYN nathan@hilbert.biology.YALE.EDU (Nathan F. Janette)
YYYYYYY Hana Strominger <FIMA602%HAIFAUVM.bitnet@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
YYYAYAY C.G.C.vanDijk@IO.TUDelft.NL
YYYYYYY GJ Page <G.J.Page@lut.ac.uk>
YYYYYYY andyr@wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati)
YYYYYYY fox@gmd.de
AYYYYAY roger@rod.swmed.utexas.edu (Roger S. Noss)
YYYYYYY plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
YYYYYYY dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Dave Schweisguth)
YYYYYYY t.sippel-dau@ic.ac.uk
YYYYYYY neelin@pet.mni.mcgill.ca (Peter NEELIN)
NNNNNNN balusek@EUROPA.brooks.af.mil
YYYYYYY "LEE MARDEN" <lms@swlvx2.msd.ray.com>
YYYYYYY Frank S. Taylor IV 283-4278 <taylorf@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>
YYYYYYY "Brent L. Bates ViGYAN AAD/TAB" <blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov>
YYYYYYY smb@smb.chem.niu.edu (Steven Bachrach)
YYYYYYY rodger@qucis.queensu.ca (Jim Rodger)
YYYYYYY "John W. Schwegler" <john@sg25.aud.temple.edu>
YYYYYYY ron@odysseus.biochem.ualberta.ca (Ron Meleshko)
YYYYYYA uunet.UU.NET!uunet!robcad!alik
YYYYYYY ssgm@leia.nrl.navy.mil (SSGM)
YYYYYYY jvolpe@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Volpe)
YYYYYYY uunet.UU.NET!virtuoso!chris (Chris Cressy)
YYYYYYY Ken Fitch <fitch@ittc.wec.com>
YYYYYYY haidl@mars.cs.uregina.ca (Mark Haidl)
YYYYYYY steveg@cadkey.cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio)
YYYYYYY allston@babbage.ibd.nrc.ca (Jeff Allston)
YNYNYNY Tom Whittaker <tom@sisyphus.arc.nasa.gov>
YYYNYYY Jim Reed <reed@shaman.nexagen.com>
YYYYYYY "David H. Brierley" <dhb@ssd.ray.com>
YYYYYYY Tim Day <tday@ps.ucl.ac.uk>
YYYYYYY bob@prepress.com (Robert Crowe)
YYYYYYY srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
YYYYYYY davidb%kuwait@Sun.COM (David Brynell)
YYYYYYY heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting)
NNNNNNN mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
YYYYYYY mlyons@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Mary Lou Lyons)
YYYYYYY uu4.psi.com!mdaeng!jrc (John R. Chawner)
YYYYYYY jhp@sand.photon.com
YYYYYYY heinau@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau)
YYYYYYY creon@nas.nasa.gov (M. Creon Levit)
YYYYYYY aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
YYYYYYY Stefan.Farestam@cerfacs.fr
YYYYYYY Chris Esposito <chrise@atc.boeing.com>
YYYYYYY rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
NANNNAA Tom Fitzgerald    <fitz@wang.com>
YYYYYYY hoffmann@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Daniel Hoffmann)
YYYYNYY andras@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Andras Salamon)
YYYYYYY melchers@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Bernd Melchers)
YYYYYYY simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
NNNNNNN linac.fnal.gov!tellab5!uunet!druid!pseudo!mjn
YYYYYYY mjz@Texaco.COM (Mike Zeitlin)
YYYNYYN psantangeli@alias.com (Peter Santangeli)
YYYYYYN Dave Kinchlea <kinch@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca>
YYYYYYY ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
YYYYYYY russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton)
YYYAYYY mortoj@rpi.edu
NNNNNNN Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
YYYYYYY flynn@eecs.wsu.edu
YYYNYYY marby@laura.harvard.edu (Craig Marby)
YYANYYY Marc.Desrochers@BRI.NRC.CA (Marc Desrochers)
YYYNYYN T.BARKER@qut.edu.au
YYYYYYY muegge@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Ingo Muegge)
YYYYYYY "Andrew C. Aitchison" <aca@maths.bath.ac.uk>
YYAAYYY Ray Schnitzler <ras@unipress.com>
YYYYYYY Mark Bartelt <sysmark@chipmunk.cita.utoronto.ca>
YYYYYYY brad@research.nj.nec.com  (Brad Gianulis)
YYYYYYY STOUT@msg.UCSF.EDU
YYAYYYY Joe Keane <amd.com!osc!jgk>
YYYYYYY Michael Quinn <MJQUINN@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
YYYYNYN Klaus Rennecke <marion@cs.tu-berlin.de>
YYYNYYY mark@laura.harvard.edu (Mark Rambacher)
YYYYYYY chk@alias.com (C. Harald Koch)
YNYNYYY Lothar Butsch <but@UniBw-Hamburg.DE>
YYYYYYY root@random.asd.sgi.com (Super-User)
NNNNNNN Charles Shub <cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu>
NNNNNNN Sven M. Heinicke" <widener!sven>
YYYYYYY sartori@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Fredo Sartori)
YYYYYYY phaneuf@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Daniel Phaneuf)
YYYYYYY mcleod@esprit.esd.sgi.com (Rick McLeod)
YYYYYYY Claude Cantin <cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca>
YYYYYYY brighton@pixar.com (Bill Carson)
YYYYYYY joes@graphics.cis.upenn.edu (Joseph R. Spann)
YYYYYYY Daniel R Adams <dr-adams@ccmail.pnl.gov>
YYYYYYY pete@ent-img.com (Pete Carah)
YYYYYYY dwallach@zonker.cs.berkeley.edu (Dan Wallach)
YYYYYYY camme.ac.be!sunc!cammejpm (J.-P. Malisse CAMME project)
YYYYYYY brianm@cbme.unsw.edu.au (Brian Murray)
YYYYYYY brust@i5120q.nrl.navy.mil (Joe Brust)
YYYYYYY Wayne Podaima <WJP@VM.NRC.CA>
YYYNNYN dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu (David Hinds)
NYAYYYN rainer@indigo.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kleinrensing)
NNNNNNN Frans van Hoesel <hoesel@igc.ethz.ch>
YYYYYYY davis@masig.fsu.edu (Alan Davis)
NNNNNNN hudson@falcon.nrl.navy.mil (Dan Hudson)
YYYYYYY ertas@Athena.MIT.EDU
YYYYYYY richter@ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Richter)
YNYNYYN srp@cgl.ucsf.edu (Scott R. Presnell)
YYYNAYN sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
YYYYYYY crn@lns598.TN.CORNELL.EDU
YYYYYYY Ed Ackerman (FSAC) <eacker@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
YYYYYYY davis@nod.bms.com (Malcolm Davis)
YYYYYYY Ran Atkinson <atkinson@tengwar.itd.nrl.navy.mil>
NNNNNNN Jack Tavares <tavares@ctron.com>
YYYYYYY Tom Limoncelli <tom-limoncelli@Warren.MENTORG.COM>
NNNNNNN merritt@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (John H. Merritt)
NNNNYNN rschmitt@shearson.com (Robert Schmitt)
YYYYYYY efo@pixar.com (Eben Ostby)
NNNNNNN andy@homebase.vistachrome.com
YYYNNNY troyer@heffalump.mmwb.ucsf.EDU
YYYYYYY knobi@knobi.munich.sgi.com (Martin Knoblauch)
YYYYYYY emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
YYYYNYY gt4736c@prism.gatech.edu (Pam Bee)
YYYNYYY hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
NNNNNNN Bruce Momjian <root@candle.UUCP>
NNNNNNN jduncan@jupiter.nmt.edu (John Duncan)
YYYYYYY ansari@geo1s.mps.ohio-state.edu (Waheed Ansari)
YYYYYYY sunil@barct1.ernet.in (Sunil Kulkarni)
YYYYYYY smant@nlr.nl (smant g.a.)
YYYYYYY beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (Ralf Beyer DLR)
YYYYYYY root@itnsg1.cineca.it (Valter Cavecchia)
YYYYYYY "Charles A. Lind" <lind@eng.umd.edu>
YYNYYYY jim@earth.accelr8.com (Jim Reiss)
YYYYYYY jra@barracuda.wti.com (Jim Atkinson)
YYYYYYY stefans@bauv106.bauv.unibw-muenchen.de (Stefan Schwarz)
YYYYYYY j.jackson@ic.ac.uk (Jim Jackson)
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YYYYYYY munzner@geom.umn.edu
YYYYYYY sd@chem.UCSD.EDU (Steve Dempsey)
YYYYYYY Roger Corron <rc@mithras.boston.sgi.com>
YYYYYYY joachim@cat.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Joachim Guenther)
YYYYYYY michalj@fuw.edu.pl
YYYYYYY wirth@igd.fhg.de
YYYYYYY a2@tdisys.uucp (Alain Arditi)
YYYYYYY uunet.UU.NET!tdisys!ll (Leseme Laurent)
YYYYYYY mynzy@world.std.com (Peter H Jurgensen)
NNNNNNN cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
YAYYYYY chawley@sundiver.esd.sgi.com (Chris Hawley)
YYYYYYY arie@cs.Technion.AC.IL (Arie Rudich)
YYYYYYY Jonathan Creighton <jcreight@us.oracle.com>
YYYYYYA graham@nmriris.latrobe.edu.au (Graham Vincent)
YYYYYYY david@IRIS.CLAREMONT.EDU (David H.)
YYYYYYY shutts@gdwest.gd.com (Todd Shutts)
YYNNYNY Yaron Zabary <yaron@aristo.tau.ac.il>

-- 
Matt Wicks
Group Leader, UNIX System Support
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
wicks@fnal.fnal.gov
708-840-8083


 
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