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From votes@stl.stc.co.uk Mon Sep 27 10:23:46 1993
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From: David Wright <votes@stl.stc.co.uk>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.misc,comp.sys.misc
Subject: CALL FOR VOTES: comp.sys.unisys
Date: Sun,  6 Jan 91 23:54:06 PST
Reply-To: votes@stl.stc.co.uk
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Organization: STC Technology Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, UK
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Charter:
	Comp.sys.unisys is intended for discussion of systems sold
	under the "Unisys" name, including former Sperry, Burroughs,
	and Convergent Technologies machines.  Unisys software such as
        Mapper is also welcome.  Most of the discussion of relabelled
        third-party UNIX equipment such as the Convergent Technologies
        386 PC-clone based boxes or the Arix and Sequent minis would be
        expected to go on in comp.unix or comp.sys.sequent.

The newsgroup will be unmoderated.

Voting Period

The voting period starts when this is posted and lasts for 28 days.
Votes received after 24:00 GMT on Sunday 3rd February will not be counted.

How to vote

Vote by sending mail to votes@stl.stc.co.uk, with the word YES or NO
(case immaterial) in the subject line.  If you use rn or a similar news
reader, you can use r (reply), add YES or NO to the Subject line, and mail.
Then your vote would appear as one of the following:
Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOTES: comp.sys.unisys YES
Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOTES: comp.sys.unisys NO

Votes which do not contain yes or no in the Subject line, or which are sent
to me instead of 'votes', will cause me extra work but will still be counted
if unambiguous.  Ambiguous votes and any posted votes will not be counted.

If your mailer will not accept mail to the above address try
votes%stl.stc.co.uk@uunet.uu.net or ...uunet!mcsun!stl!votes
You could even send me X.400 mail at the address given in my signature.

Votes will be acknowledged by mail, but any acknowledgement that bounces
will not be re-tried.  However I will also acknowledge by a mass posting
to news.groups.  The final vote tally will be posted at the end of the
vote, including a list showing how everyone voted.

Credit where it's due department

Peter da Silva supplied the group charter shown above.  This particular
discussion on having a Unisys group was started by Craig Wilson.

Vote Taker's credentials

I have no personal interest in whether there is a Unisys group or not - I
don't work for, sell or even use any Unisys systems.   I volunteered to take
the vote because Craig didn't want to, and I had objected to alt.unisys on
the grounds that it should really go for voting as comp.sys.unisys rather
than become an alt group just because nobody could be bothered to carry out
a vote.  Anyway I haven't done one recently :-)

Summary of discussion

The Call for Discussion was posted to news.announce.newgroups a month ago.
At the time I said I'd call the vote in two weeks time unless someone had a
good reason to delay it: I promptly got such a reply citing "Christmas".

As to actual discussion, there has been very little, almost all in favour.
The only question is whether enough people actually want the group:
the vote will settle that.

Regards,    David Wright       STL, London Road, Harlow, Essex  CM17 9NA, UK
dww@stl.stc.co.uk <or> ...uunet!mcsun!ukc!stl!dww <or> PSI%234237100122::DWW
<or> /g=David/s=Wright/org=STC Technology Ltd/prmd=STC plc/admd=Gold 400/co=GB


From D.W.Wright@stl.stc.co.uk Mon Sep 27 10:49:15 1993
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Path: rpi!tale
From: David Wright <D.W.Wright@stl.stc.co.uk>
Subject: VOTE RESULT:  comp.sys.unisys fails 103:9
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The results are now in for comp.sys.unisys:     103 YES    9 NO

There were also two entries which didn't state how they wanted to vote, and
four late votes (3 YES, 1 NO); these have not been included in the result. 

Subject to ratification, the vote therefore FAILS by 6 votes,
as there must be a majority of 100 for the group to be created.
The majority must also be >66%, but that was not a problem here (92%).

Unless there have been a significant number of votes lost, or other
irregularities, and these are reported within the next 5 days, the
group will not be created.

A full list of all accepted votes is appended, followed by an analysis
of voting by site.   The "site vote" was 73 : 9, and no site voted both ways.


Comment
-------

The vote suffered by lack of 'mid-term' publicity in news.announce.newgroups
because the moderator was away - the 2nd CFV only went to news.groups,
comp.misc and comp.sys.misc.  How significant this was cannot be known -
probably it would have made a few votes difference.  6?
There was certainly a boost to the voting rate after the second posting.

On the other hand, I did run the vote for 4 weeks (many now run for 3, the
minimum allowed), and of course the original CFV was in n.a.n.  So everyone
who really cared should have known about it. 

None of the NO voters gave any comment on their reasons.   A few YES voters
did, typically that they were users and would benefit from talking to each 
other.  I also received a comment from a Unisys person saying that the group 
would be good both for them and for their users.   A pity it won't happen.

N.B. the comment about the moderator being away isn't a complaint about
Eliot, who did a good job for us all and didn't get many thanks for it -
moderators need a break just like anyone else.   But maybe Dave could
appoint a couple of stand-by's ready for when *he* needs a break?


So what now?
------------

So what now?  Go back to the mailing list?  Post to comp.sys.misc?
Create alt.sys.unisys after all?    I must say that if we do this,
all the vote will have done is delayed that group by 2-3 months.
I must say it because if I don't, someone else will :-) 

If there is now steady Unisys trafic in comp.sys.misc or alt.sys.unisys,
and it keeps up for at least 6 months, then another vote held then might
succeed (votes cannot be repeated in less than 6 months).

Finally - I think it is reflection on the state of the net that a
technical, computer based group like this fails, while all sorts of social,
recreational and political groups can be created with large majorities.
Usenet has ceased to be primarily a technical forum for better understanding
of computer systems, and is now a much more general talking shop.  Whether
this is a good or bad thing is not an issue I'll debate here.


Detail Results by User and by Site
----------------------------------

  NO  votes       (9)
  ---------
Carl Rigney <cdr@brahms.amd.com>
Carl S. Gutekunst<csg@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Christopher Bryden <bryden@freezer.it.udel.edu>
David Robinson <david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Jeff Beadles <jeff@onion.pdx.com>
Leonard Peirce <peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu>
Nobuya Higgy Higashiyama <nxh@meaddata.com>
Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com>
balter@cipc1.dayton.ncr.com


  YES votes       (103)
  ---------
Adam King <ark@unislc.uucp>
Adrian Godwin <agodwin@acorn.co.uk>
Alan Beal <beal@scifi.uucp>
Alan Egan <magimi!al@uunet.uucp>
Andy Toy <andy@mks.uucp>
Anthony DeBoer <adeboer@gjetor.geac.com>
Bengt Larsson <bengtl@maths.lth.se>
Bill Bogstad <wjb@cogsci.cog.jhu.edu>
Bill Holman <wlh@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com>
Bob Nicol <magisc!bob@uunet.uucp>
Brian Matthews <blm@6sceng.uucp>
CCWENKER@cnedcu51.bitnet
Charles Anderson <caa@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Chris Johnson <chris@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Christopher T. Pedro<pedro@cs.umn.edu>
Clive Chinery <clive@aisnet.uucp>
Craig S. Wilson<craig@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Dan Boehlke <DAN@gacvx2.gac.edu>
Dan Veditz <dveditz@dbase.a-t.com>
Dave Cline <dave@m1.88open.org>
David S. Cargo<cargo@cherry.cray.com>
David Wright <D.W.Wright@stl.stc.co.uk>
Dennis Lienke <drl@msc.edu>
Dominic Dunlop <domo@tsa.co.uk>
Donald Phillips <donp@blkhole.uucp>
Duane L. Rezac<drezac@dcsc.dla.mil>
Ed Bacon <efb@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Ed Naratil <ean@gvlv3.gvl.unisys.com>
Eric Horner <8eah@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Frank Piper <frank@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Gary Greene <garyg@zip.convergent.com>
Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan<gil@banyan.banyan.com>
Greg Nault <8gkn@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Gregg Wolfe <bs@brainiac.mn.org>
Gregory G. Woodbury<ggw@wolves.uucp>
Jacob Ellis <jellis@vicstoy.uucp>
Jeff White <jwhite@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Jeffery S. Wilson<jeff@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Jeffrey Comstock <jrc@brainiac.mn.org>
Jim Hopkins <hopkins@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Jim Lovsey, Metro. Ed. Council, (614)221-8005<LOVSEY@mecsys.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Jim Young <8young@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
John G Dobnick <jgd@convex.csd.uwm.edu>
Lance Welch <ldw@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Lee Bertagnolli <lbert359@athenanet.com>
Lucinda Siren <siren@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
M.V.L. Prasad<prasad@cmc.com>
Marek Behr [Aero Eng]<mf12605@s1.msi.umn.edu>
Mark Adams <mca@medicus.com>
Mark Perew <Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org>
Marshall Belland <marshall@brainiac.mn.org>
Michael Chastain <mec@ocf.berkeley.edu>
Michael Dobson <dobson@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>
Mike Kain <mkain@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com>
Mike Wharton <mikew@com2serv.c2s.mn.org>
Miles ONeal <meo@dixie.com>
Mitch Pockrandt <pockrand@src.honeywell.com>
Orion@cup.portal.com
Otto Tennant <jot@fig.cray.com>
P.Galbavy@micromuse.co.uk
PHIL@mtus5.earn
Pamela Kannegieter <catwoman@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com>
Peter da Silva <peter@ficc.ferranti.com>
Plu festu, uloj<abeals@autodesk.uucp>
Pocky 1st AD, OSJA<aets-kja-a-ao3@ansbach-emh1.army.mil>
Rich Adams <adams@afcsa.af.mil>
Richard H. Miller<rick@pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Robert J. Granvin<rjg@sialis.com>
Scott R. Anderson<scott@jhereg.osa.com>
Scott Sheldon Bertilson <ssb@quest.uucp>
Scott Williamson <scott@memex.co.uk>
Steven S. Brack<sbrack@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu>
Theo Heavey <theo@cs.fau.edu>
Thomas B. Clark III<tclark@med.unc.edu>
Thomas Hintz <tdh@macs.sp.unisys.com>
Tom Albrecht <tom@dvnspc1.uucp>
William M. Hawkins<bill@rose3.rosemount.com>
William Moore <wdm@unislc.uucp>
bert@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
bob@morningstar.com
burke <burke@seachg.uucp>
bwl@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
caudle@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
dgs@dvncnms.uucp
dick schenke <schenke@ficc.ferranti.com>
fwp1@cc.msstate.edu
gray@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
hayek@uninor.uucp
ian@syacus.acus.oz.au
jak@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com
jennie@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com
jlhall@ficc.ferranti.com
knute@nodec.rsvl.unisys.com
kunkee@ficc.ferranti.com
lap@dvncnms.uucp
markw@gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com
mike@chorus.fr
rlm@dvncnms.uucp
sds@dvncnms.uucp
sf@uninor.uucp
tem@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com
toad@cellar.uucp
vavra@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com

The following site analysis is for interest only: sites do not vote as such.

   YES votes by site (73)                  NO votes by Site (9)
   -----------------                       ----------------
   1 6sceng.uucp                           1 brahms.amd.com
   1 acorn.co.uk                           1 cipc1.dayton.ncr.com
   1 afcsa.af.mil                          1 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov
   1 aisnet.uucp                           1 freezer.it.udel.edu
   1 ansbach-emh1.army.mil                 1 gumby.cc.wmich.edu
   1 athenanet.com                         1 meaddata.com
   1 autodesk.uucp                         1 onion.pdx.com
   1 banyan.banyan.com                     1 pyramid.pyramid.com
   1 blkhole.uucp                          1 twinsun.com
   1 cc.msstate.edu
   1 cellar.uucp
   1 cherry.cray.com
   1 chorus.fr
   1 cmc.com
   1 cnedcu51.bitnet
   1 cogsci.cog.jhu.edu
   1 convex.csd.uwm.edu
   1 cs.fau.edu
   1 cs.umn.edu
   1 cup.portal.com
   1 dbase.a-t.com
   1 dcsc.dla.mil
   1 dixie.com
   1 dvnspc1.uucp
   1 fig.cray.com
   1 gacvx2.gac.edu
   1 gjetor.geac.com
   1 gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com
   1 gvlv3.gvl.unisys.com
   1 hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu
   1 jhereg.osa.com
   1 m1.88open.org
   1 macs.sp.unisys.com
   1 maths.lth.se
   1 mecsys.mps.ohio-state.edu
   1 med.unc.edu
   1 medicus.com
   1 memex.co.uk
   1 micromuse.co.uk
   1 mks.uucp
   1 morningstar.com
   1 msc.edu
   1 mtus5.earn
   1 nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil
   1 nodec.rsvl.unisys.com
   1 ocf.berkeley.edu
   1 ofa123.fidonet.org
   1 pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu
   1 quest.uucp
   1 rose3.rosemount.com
   1 s1.msi.umn.edu
   1 scifi.uucp
   1 seachg.uucp
   1 sialis.com
   1 src.honeywell.com
   1 stl.stc.co.uk
   1 syacus.acus.oz.au
   1 tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
   1 tsa.co.uk
   1 vicstoy.uucp
   1 wolves.uucp
   1 zip.convergent.com
   2 sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com
   2 uninor.uucp
   2 unislc.uucp
   2 uunet.uucp
   3 brainiac.mn.org
   4 dvncnms.uucp
   4 dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com
   4 ficc.ferranti.com
   6 com2serv.c2s.mn.org
   6 gotham.rsvl.unisys.com
   6 s5000.rsvl.unisys.com

Regards,    David Wright       STL, London Road, Harlow, Essex  CM17 9NA, UK
dww@stl.stc.co.uk <or> ...uunet!mcsun!ukc!stl!dww <or> PSI%234237100122::DWW
<or> /g=David/s=Wright/org=STC Technology Ltd/prmd=STC plc/admd=Gold 400/co=GB
-- 
    (setq mail '("tale@rpi.edu" "uupsi!rpi!tale" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))

From mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org Mon Sep 11 22:11:06 1995
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From: mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org (Mark H. Weber)
Subject: RFD:  comp.sys.unisys
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Newsgroup name:

        comp.sys.unisys

Charter:
	
        An unmoderated group for the discussion of products produced
        by the Unisys Corporation (and its predecessors, such as Sperry,
        Burroughs and Convergent Technologies)

Background:

        A previous attempt for the creation of comp.sys.unisys was made
        last winter (slightly over 6 months ago). The proposal was narrowly
        defeated, by a vote of approximately 125 Yes vs. 30 No. The defeat
        seemed to be largely a result of low voter turnout, primarily due to
        the timing of the vote during a holiday period. Shortly after the
        group was defeated, an alt.sys.unisys group was created, which has
        served as a valuable forum to the limited number of sites which
        receive it. Hopefully this time comp.sys.unisys will receive
        enough votes to allow the creation of a mainstream group.
-- 
Mark H. Weber ( mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org )           "Schuylkill" (skool' kill)
 Mont Clare   ( ...!uunet!cbmvax!cgh!lock60!mhw )      is a Dutch word meaning 
  PA  USA     ( ...!psuvax1!burdvax!gvlv2!lock60!mhw )     "hidden river"

From mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org Mon Sep 11 22:12:03 1995
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From: mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org (Mark H. Weber)
Subject: 2nd RFD:  comp.sys.unisys
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		Second Request For Discussion

Newsgroup name:

        comp.sys.unisys

Charter:
	
        An unmoderated group for the discussion of products produced
        by the Unisys Corporation (and its predecessors, such as Sperry,
        Burroughs and Convergent Technologies)

Background:

        A previous attempt for the creation of comp.sys.unisys was made
        last winter (slightly over 6 months ago). The proposal was narrowly
        defeated, by a vote of approximately 105 Yes vs. 10 No. The defeat
        seemed to be largely a result of low voter turnout, primarily due to
        the timing of the vote during a holiday period. Shortly after the
        group was defeated, an alt.sys.unisys group was created, which has
        served as a valuable forum to the limited number of sites which
        receive it. Hopefully this time comp.sys.unisys will receive
        enough votes to allow the creation of a mainstream group.

	Don't vote yet - look for the Call For Votes (CFV) coming to a
        machine near you next week (after October 27).
-- 
Mark H. Weber ( mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org )           "Schuylkill" (skool' kill)
 Mont Clare   ( ...!uunet!cbmvax!cgh!lock60!mhw )      is a Dutch word meaning 
  PA  USA     ( ...!psuvax1!burdvax!gvlv2!lock60!mhw )     "hidden river"

From unisys@canal.org Mon Sep 11 22:12:32 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: unisys@canal.org (Vote Taker)
Subject: CFV:  comp.sys.unisys
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                 First Call for Votes
		 --------------------

Newsgroup name:

    comp.sys.unisys

Charter:
	
    An unmoderated group for the discussion of products produced
    by the Unisys Corporation (and its predecessors, such as Sperry,
    Burroughs and Convergent Technologies)

Background:

    A previous attempt for the creation of comp.sys.unisys was made
    last winter (slightly over 6 months ago). The proposal was narrowly
    defeated, by a vote of approximately 105 Yes vs. 10 No. The defeat
    seemed to be largely a result of low voter turnout, primarily due to
    the timing of the vote during a holiday period. Shortly after the
    group was defeated, an alt.sys.unisys group was created, which has
    served as a valuable forum to the limited number of sites which
    receive it. Hopefully this time comp.sys.unisys will receive enough
    votes to allow the creation of a mainstream group. If the mainstream
    group is created, the alt group will be removed.

How to vote:

    Mail (not post) your vote to one of the addresses below. Indicate
    clearly whether you are voting YES or NO either in the subject or
    the body of the message. I'll be counting these by hand, so there's
    no specific format required - just make it clear which way you're
    voting. Here are the addresses:

    internet:
        unisys@Canal.ORG        (the Reply-To: address of this article)

    uucp:
        lock60!unisys

    clueless internet:
        unisys%canal.org@gvlv2.gvl.unisys.com [128.126.220.102]

    pathless uucp:
        uunet!cbmvax!gvlv2!lock60!unisys

Voting period ends November 30, 23:59 UTC.

From unisys@canal.org Mon Sep 11 22:14:15 1995
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From: unisys@canal.org (Vote Taker)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  comp.sys.unisys
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                 Second (and last) Call for Votes
		 --------------------------------

Newsgroup name:

        comp.sys.unisys

Charter:
	
        An unmoderated group for the discussion of products produced
        by the Unisys Corporation (and its predecessors, such as Sperry,
        Burroughs and Convergent Technologies)

Background:

        A previous attempt for the creation of comp.sys.unisys was made
        last winter (slightly over 6 months ago). The proposal was narrowly
        defeated, by a vote of approximately 105 Yes vs. 10 No. The defeat
        seemed to be largely a result of low voter turnout, primarily due to
        the timing of the vote during a holiday period. Shortly after the
        group was defeated, an alt.sys.unisys group was created, which has
        served as a valuable forum to the limited number of sites which
        receive it. Hopefully this time comp.sys.unisys will receive enough
        votes to allow the creation of a mainstream group. If the mainstream
        group is created, the alt group will be removed.

How to vote:

    Mail (not post) your vote to one of the addresses below. Indicate
    clearly whether you are voting YES or NO either in the subject or
    the body of the message. I'll be counting these by hand, so there's
    no specific format required - just make it clear which way you're
    voting. Here are the addresses:

    internet:
        unisys@Canal.ORG        (the Reply-To: address of this article)

    uucp:
        lock60!unisys

    clueless internet:
        unisys%canal.org@gvlv2.gvl.unisys.com [128.126.220.102]

    pathless uucp:
        uunet!cbmvax!gvlv2!lock60!unisys


Voting Period:

   Starts: October 31
   Ends:   November 30


Mass Acknowledgement:

   I have received votes (158 all together) from the following persons:


    "Abbedissen, Kjell R." <edpka@rose.uib.no>
    "BOB FULKERSON" <fulkerson@zeus.unomaha.edu>
    "pwilkins.UK" <pwilkins@uk.oracle.com>
    Al Guetzlaff <aeg@teamquest.com>
    Ash Nallawalla VK3CIT <ash@mlacus>
    Balkrishna Ghatwai <KRISHNA@ccvm.sunysb.edu>
    Bengt Larsson <bengtl@maths.lth.se>
    Brendan Kehoe <brendan@cs.widener.edu>
    Brian Sassone <brians@ios.convergent.com>
    Chris Bertin <chrisb@risky.convergent.com>
    Chris Flack <chris@mlacus>
    Clarence Dold <dold@mitisft.convergent.com>
    Codge <codge@lock60.Schuylkill.Canal.ORG>
    David Letcher <david@mlacus>
    Derek "b.p.b" Godfrey <djg@sequent.com>
    Dwayne Shows <des@mitisft.convergent.com>
    Ed McGuire <emcguire@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu>
    Eitan Froumine <eitan@mlacus>
    Eric Sieferman <sieferme@u.washington.edu>
    Gary J. Allard <gvlv2!cbmvax!uunet!alb6kws!gary>
    Harald Nordgard-Hansen <hhansen@kjemi.unit.no>
    John G Dobnick <jgd@convex.csd.uwm.edu>
    Jon Caples <sperry@cpac.washington.edu>
    Ken Weaverling <weave@chopin.udel.edu>
    Mark Petersen <mpete@sequent.com>
    Michael Newbery <Michael.Newbery@vuw.ac.nz>
    PABLO ROJAS HERRERA <PROJAS%UCRVM2.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
    Paul Bandler <paulb@mlacus>
    Paul Wexelblat <wex@cs.ulowell.edu>
    Richard McCormack <richard@pyra.co.uk>
    Rob Knauerhase <knauer@cs.uiuc.edu>
    Scott Thurston (ex-zoomie) <scottie@sequent.com>
    Steven Widom <steven@gypsy.convergent.com>
    Thomas P Kelliher <kelliher@guardian.cs.psu.edu>
    W. McDonald Buck <nimbus!dee@uunet.UU.NET>
    scott lurndal <scottl@convergent.com>

    8den@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Dan Nissen)
    8eah@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Eric Horner)
    8gkn@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Greg Nault)
    8pcs@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    8young@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Jim Young)
    Al@egansys.meta.com (Al Egan)
    Keith.Bierman@Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman fpgroup)
    Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org (Mark Perew)
    STEVED@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
    TRUMBULL@sdcprm.pri.sas.com
    arthur@ais.com
    adeboer@gjetor.geac.com (Anthony DeBoer)
    aung@syacus.acus.oz.au
    avenger@wpi.WPI.EDU (Samuel Joseph Pullara)
    bert@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    bill@syacus.acus.oz.au
    bill@wpi.WPI.EDU (Bill Marrs)
    bob@magisc.meta.com (Bob Nicol)
    brebner@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    bremond@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Patrice Bremond-Gregoire)
    brian@magifr.meta.com (Brian Shaft)
    captain@genie.slhs.udel.edu
    carden@vlsi.ICS.UCI.EDU
    catwoman@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Pamela R. Lies)
    caudle@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
    cew@ISI.EDU (Craig E. Ward)
    charles@syacus.acus.oz.au
    cmgordon@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Thomas D. Keerl)
    craig@com2serv.c2s.mn.org (Craig S. Wilson)
    crimson@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst)
    daniel@netcom.com (Sam Daniel)
    davidc@syacus.acus.oz.au
    dominic@british-national-corpus.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Dunlop)
    don@blkhole.resun.com (Don Phillips)
    dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
    ean@gvlf2.GVL.Unisys.COM (Ed Naratil)
    easmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric A Smith)
    ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
    garyk@ios.convergent.com
    george@lfa.wciu.edu
    glee@sdg1.GVL.Unisys.COM (George Lee)
    grants@syacus.acus.oz.au
    gregm@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Marr)
    gshapiro@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory Neil Shapiro)
    gwb@n3gb.UMD.EDU (George Baltz)
    haijo@cs.rug.nl (H. Schipper)
    hopkins@gvlf9.GVL.Unisys.COM
    ian@syacus.acus.oz.au
    jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
    jennie@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com (Jennie Shonka-Koch)
    jot@teak.cray.com (Otto Tennant)
    kebera@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca (Krishna E. Bera)
    koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Quincey Koziol)
    lancer@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stephe.  No V.  No N.)
    larock@software.org (Curt Larock)
    lief@oslo.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    lingnau@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Anselm Lingnau)
    linimon@nominil.lonestar.org (Mark Linimon)
    llanes%girtab.usc.edu@usc.edu (Martel Manalo)
    markb@giga.slc.unisys.com (Mark Baranowski)
    markh@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
    mbs@turing.acs.Virginia.EDU
    mdobbins@dvnspc1.DEV.UNISYS.COM (Michael Dobbins)
    melkor@wpi.WPI.EDU ( ! chucky)
    miller@gvlv1.GVL.Unisys.COM (Bruce J. Miller)
    mute@wpi.WPI.EDU (Existentialist Man! )
    newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (News Account 1)
    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
    peterr@syacus.acus.oz.au
    phil@syacus.acus.oz.au
    ping@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Bridget Ingham)
    profesor@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew E Cross)
    rich@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
    rick@ofa123.fidonet.org (Rick Ellis)
    riesen@chaco.cs.unm.edu (Rolf Riesen)
    rjg@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    rws@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    sally@netcom.com (Sally Kaltman)
    schmidt@flash.bellcore.com (Robert O Schmidt)
    schow@sun1.InterLan.COM (Peter Schow)
    scott@memex.co.uk (Scott Williamson)
    sean@kcms (Sean Enraght-Moony)
    slice@gagme.chi.il.us (Steve Steiner)
    socs@syacus.acus.oz.au
    sonnyt@ios.convergent.com
    sp0mikpa@his.se (Mikael Parknert)
    srogers@tad-6.tad (Steve Rogers)
    stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John Stine)
    tal@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
    terryg@gvlf8.GVL.Unisys.COM (Terry Geck)
    thad@btr.com (Thaddeus P. Floryan)
    toad@cellar.org
    tom@dvnspc1.dev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht)
    trefftz@frith.egr.msu.edu
    trost@reed.edu (Bill Trost)
    tse@poohbah.pa.dec.com (Gary Tse)
    vavra@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    viking@cellar.org
    william@syacus.acus.oz.au
    wkemmerer@sugar.neosoft.com (Walter Kemmerer)

    bagend!jan (Jan Isley)
    bbking!bcarb
    bbking!jdz
    bbking!rmarks
    bbking!rsw1
    bbking!vlr
    bird!tomb (Tommy Baitz)
    dvnspc1!frank (Frank Piper)
    idsssd!bruce
    louie!luis (Luis Herrera)
    marvin!marvin (Marvin Aguero)
    mds1!curt (Curtis Schaible)
    optigfx!mrm (Mike Murphy)
    osc!jgk (Joe Keane)
    racerx!ken (Ken Hardy)
    sch.com!RH
    uscghq!roseberry
    viusys!rwb (Rick)
    wolves!ggw (Gregory G. Woodbury)

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Subject: RESULT:  comp.sys.unisys passes 199: 10
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The final vote tally for comp.sys.unisys is 199 yes and 10 no. Being
as there are at least 100 more yes's than no's, and more than twice as
many yes's as no's, the vote for comp.sys.unisys meets the guideline rules
for a successful vote. The group will be created after the standard 5 day 
waiting period.

Alt.sys.unisys will be removed approximately 30 days after the creation
of comp.sys.unisys.

Thanks to all who voted:

No: (10)

    Guido Huepper <guhu0433@w251zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de>
    Harald Nordgard-Hansen <hhansen@kjemi.unit.no>
    Jon Ross <jonr@ifi.uio.no>
    Rob Knauerhase <knauer@cs.uiuc.edu>
    captain@genie.slhs.udel.edu
    cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
    jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
    koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Quincey Koziol)
    memphis-tn@uiuc.edu (Memphis_TN)
    srogers@tad-6.tad (Steve Rogers)

Yes: (199)

    "Abbedissen, Kjell R." <edpka@rose.uib.no>
    "BOB FULKERSON" <fulkerson@zeus.unomaha.edu>
    "Christopher T. Pedro" <pedro@cs.umn.edu>
    "D. Brian Kimmel" <gvlv2!widener!uunet!ars2!briank>
    "Jeffrey T. Hutzelman" <jh4o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
    "Ted Stockwell" <ted@aps1.spa.umn.edu>
    "Todd L. Masco" <tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
    "pwilkins.UK" <pwilkins@uk.oracle.com>
    8den@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Dan Nissen)
    8eah@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Eric Horner)
    8gkn@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Greg Nault)
    8pcs@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    8young@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Jim Young)
    <arthur@ais.com>
    <bruce@ais.com>
    <dawn@ais.com>
    <laura@ais.com>
    Al Guetzlaff <aeg@teamquest.com>
    Al@egansys.meta.com (Al Egan)
    Allen Strand <allens@risky.convergent.com>
    Ash Nallawalla VK3CIT <ash@mlacus>
    Balkrishna Ghatwai <KRISHNA@ccvm.sunysb.edu>
    Bengt Larsson <bengtl@maths.lth.se>
    Brendan Kehoe <brendan@cs.widener.edu>
    Brian Sassone <brians@ios.convergent.com>
    Chris Bertin <chrisb@risky.convergent.com>
    Chris Flack <chris@mlacus>
    Christophe Wolfhugel <Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr>
    Clarence Dold <dold@mitisft.convergent.com>
    Codge <codge@lock60.Schuylkill.Canal.ORG>
    Corinne Bruce <cbruce@wvus.org>
    D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk
    Dan Troxel <asuvax!hrc!dan@ncar.UCAR.EDU>
    David Letcher <david@mlacus>
    Derek "b.p.b" Godfrey <djg@sequent.com>
    Don.Deal@gatech.edu (Don Deal)
    Dwayne Shows <des@mitisft.convergent.com>
    Ed McGuire <emcguire@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu>
    Eitan Froumine <eitan@mlacus>
    Eric Sieferman <sieferme@u.washington.edu>
    Gary J. Allard <gvlv2!cbmvax!uunet!alb6kws!gary>
    John G Dobnick <jgd@convex.csd.uwm.edu>
    John Romine <jromine@yoyodyne.ICS.UCI.EDU>
    Jon Caples <sperry@cpac.washington.edu>
    Jukka Lahtinen <walker@clinet.FI>
    Keith.Bierman@Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman fpgroup)
    Ken Weaverling <weave@chopin.udel.edu>
    Lehtonen Ville <l44301@cc.tut.fi>
    Luis Blanco <BLANCO%UCRVM2.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
    Marcus Hayes <mah@DIALix.oz.au>
    Mark Addinall <addinall@stallion.oz.au>
    Mark Petersen <mpete@sequent.com>
    Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org (Mark Perew)
    Michael Newbery <Michael.Newbery@vuw.ac.nz>
    Morten Christensen <mceinar@diku.dk>
    PABLO ROJAS HERRERA <PROJAS%UCRVM2.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
    Paul Bandler <paulb@mlacus>
    Paul Wexelblat <wex@cs.ulowell.edu>
    Pete Gregory <pete@wvus.org>
    Richard McCormack <richard@pyra.co.uk>
    S.Narasimhan@Eng.Sun.COM (Nara Narasimhan)
    STEVED@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
    Scott Ford <sford@wvus.org>
    Scott Thurston (ex-zoomie) <scottie@sequent.com>
    Steven Widom <steven@gypsy.convergent.com>
    TRUMBULL@sdcprm.pri.sas.com
    Thomas P Kelliher <kelliher@guardian.cs.psu.edu>
    W. McDonald Buck <nimbus!dee@uunet.UU.NET>
    adeboer@gjetor.geac.com (Anthony DeBoer)
    ast@liasun6.epfl.ch (Adrian Steinmann)
    aung@syacus.acus.oz.au
    avenger@wpi.WPI.EDU (Samuel Joseph Pullara)
    bbking!bcarb@PRC.Unisys.COM
    bbking!jdz@PRC.Unisys.COM
    bbking!rmarks@PRC.Unisys.COM
    bbking!rsw1@PRC.Unisys.COM
    bbking!vlr@PRC.Unisys.COM
    bbs@actrix.gen.nz
    bert@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    bill@syacus.acus.oz.au
    bill@wpi.WPI.EDU (Bill Marrs)
    bob@magisc.meta.com (Bob Nicol)
    brebner@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    bremond@grad1.cis.upenn.edu (Patrice Bremond-Gregoire)
    brian@magifr.meta.com (Brian Shaft)
    carden@vlsi.ICS.UCI.EDU
    catwoman@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Pamela R. Lies)
    caudle@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    cbmvax!uunet!uscghq!roseberry
    cew@ISI.EDU (Craig E. Ward)
    chan_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
    charles@syacus.acus.oz.au
    cliff@allen.com (Cliff Allen)
    cmgordon@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com (Thomas D. Keerl)
    craig@com2serv.c2s.mn.org (Craig S. Wilson)
    crimson@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst)
    daniel@netcom.com (Sam Daniel)
    dave@denver.88OPEN.ORG (Dave Cline)
    davidc@syacus.acus.oz.au
    davidm@gvlf8.GVL.Unisys.COM
    dominic@british-national-corpus.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Dunlop)
    don@blkhole.resun.com (Don Phillips)
    dvnspc1!frank@tredysvr.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Frank Piper)
    dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
    ean@gvlf2.GVL.Unisys.COM (Ed Naratil)
    easmith@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric A Smith)
    ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
    garyk@ios.convergent.com
    garys@dvnspc1.DEV.UNISYS.COM (Gary Salamon)
    gatech!bagend!jan@harvard.harvard.edu (Jan Isley)
    george@lfa.wciu.edu
    glee@sdg1.GVL.Unisys.COM (George Lee)
    grants@syacus.acus.oz.au
    gregm@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Marr)
    gshapiro@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory Neil Shapiro)
    gvlv2!6sceng!blm (Brian Matthews)
    gvlv2!gvlv2!cbmvax!tredysvr!ubbpc!des
    gvlv2!tredysvr!tredysvr!ubbpc!wgh
    gvlv2!widener!uunet!bird!tomb (Tommy Baitz)
    gvlv2!widener!uunet!nimbus!marvin!marvin (Marvin Aguero)
    gvlv2!widener!uunet!racerx!ken (Ken Hardy)
    gvlv2!widener!uunet!racerx!mds1!curt (Curtis Schaible)
    gvlv2!widener!uunet!viusys!davidr (David L. Russell)
    gvlv2!widener!uunet!viusys!rwb (Rick)
    gvlv2!widener!wb3ffv!idsssd!bruce
    gwb@n3gb.UMD.EDU (George Baltz)
    haijo@cs.rug.nl (H. Schipper)
    hopkins@gvlf9.GVL.Unisys.COM
    ian@syacus.acus.oz.au
    jennie@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com (Jennie Shonka-Koch)
    joes@ms-1.GVL.Unisys.COM (Joe Schulingkamp)
    jot@teak.cray.com (Otto Tennant)
    kebera@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca (Krishna E. Bera)
    l1ngo@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU (Swift)
    lancer@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stephe.  No V.  No N.)
    larock@software.org (Curt Larock)
    lesley@cavebbs.gen.nz (Lesley Walker)
    lief@oslo.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    lingnau@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Anselm Lingnau)
    linimon@nominil.lonestar.org (Mark Linimon)
    llanes%girtab.usc.edu@usc.edu (Martel Manalo)
    markb@giga.slc.unisys.com (Mark Baranowski)
    markh@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
    mbs@turing.acs.Virginia.EDU
    mdobbins@dvnspc1.DEV.UNISYS.COM (Michael Dobbins)
    melkor@wpi.WPI.EDU ( ! chucky)
    miller@gvlv1.GVL.Unisys.COM (Bruce J. Miller)
    mute@wpi.WPI.EDU (Existentialist Man! )
    nbc2134@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil (Robert F Solon)
    netz@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
    newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (News Account 1)
    nimbus!louie!luis@uunet.UU.NET (Luis Herrera)
    nolasco@starfish.convergent.com (Nolasco Mappala)
    nurk@macs.sp.unisys.com (Darcia Nurkkala)
    optigfx!mrm@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Murphy)
    osc!jgk@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Joe Keane)
    paulr@planet8 (Paul Raulerson)
    peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
    peterr@syacus.acus.oz.au
    pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
    phil@syacus.acus.oz.au
    ping@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Bridget Ingham)
    profesor@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew E Cross)
    rich@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
    rick@ofa123.fidonet.org (Rick Ellis)
    rickr@gvlf7.GVL.Unisys.COM
    riesen@chaco.cs.unm.edu (Rolf Riesen)
    rjg@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    rws@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    sally@netcom.com (Sally Kaltman)
    sch.com!RH
    schmidt@flash.bellcore.com (Robert O Schmidt)
    schow@sun1.InterLan.COM (Peter Schow)
    scott lurndal (scottl@convergent.com)
    scott@memex.co.uk (Scott Williamson)
    sean@kcms (Sean Enraght-Moony)
    shuford@cs.utk.edu
    slice@gagme.chi.il.us (Steve Steiner)
    socs@syacus.acus.oz.au
    sonnyt@ios.convergent.com
    sp0mikpa@his.se (Mikael Parknert)
    stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John Stine)
    tal@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
    terryg@gvlf8.GVL.Unisys.COM (Terry Geck)
    thad@btr.com (Thaddeus P. Floryan)
    thomas@mlacus.oz.au
    toad@cellar.org
    tom@dvnspc1.dev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht)
    trefftz@frith.egr.msu.edu
    trost@reed.edu (Bill Trost)
    tse@poohbah.pa.dec.com (Gary Tse)
    varuni@hydra.maths.unsw.OZ.AU
    vavra@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
    viking@cellar.org
    william@syacus.acus.oz.au
    wkemmerer@sugar.neosoft.com (Walter Kemmerer)
    wolves!ggw@duke.cs.duke.edu (Gregory G. Woodbury)
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