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From [email protected] Fri Nov 12 15:55:43 1993
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From: [email protected] (Chris Siebenmann)
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PROPOSED GROUP: comp.unix.advocacy		(unmoderated)

CHARTER:

 For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', and similar.

RATIONAL:

 Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such discussions
to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along the line of
other .advocacy groups.

Caution:

 If you have comments that you want to make sure I read, please send
a copy to me by email, as I may miss a comment posted to news.groups.
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From [email protected] Thu Dec  2 16:59:23 1993
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Subject: CFV: comp.unix.advocacy
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		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
		 unmoderated group comp.unix.advocacy
 
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy	Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Dec 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <[email protected]>.

CHARTER
 
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
 
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such
discussions to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along
the line of other .advocacy groups.


HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:     [email protected]

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.unix.advocacy
      I vote NO on comp.unix.advocacy

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person and per account will be counted.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] Thu Dec  2 17:00:37 1993
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		     FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
		 unmoderated group comp.unix.advocacy
 
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy	Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Dec 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <[email protected]>.

CHARTER
 
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
 
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such
discussions to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along
the line of other .advocacy groups.


HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:     [email protected]

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.unix.advocacy
      I vote NO on comp.unix.advocacy

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person and per account will be counted.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 14 14:23:44 1993
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From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.advocacy
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		      LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
		 unmoderated group comp.unix.advocacy

Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy	Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 23 Dec 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <[email protected]>.

CHARTER
 
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
 
Discussions of this form currently infest various other groups where
they are generally not wanted; the most visible current example is in
comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.hp, with comp.unix.user-friendly arguably
overrun by them; past discussions have happened on comp.unix.misc and
comp.unix.questions, among others. Creation of a comp.unix.advocacy
newsgroup would create a place for people interested in such
discussions to hold them without disrupting other newsgroups, along
the line of other .advocacy groups.


HOW TO VOTE

Send MAIL to:     [email protected]

Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
      I vote YES on comp.unix.advocacy
      I vote NO on comp.unix.advocacy

You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome.
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.  The
votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge-
ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again.
It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly.

Only one vote per person and per account will be counted.  Addresses and
votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list.

comp.unix.advocacy group vote Bounce Ack List - no need to revote
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From [email protected] Mon Jan  3 17:49:46 1994
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From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.advocacy passes 164:32
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       unmoderated comp.unix.advocacy group vote passes 164:32
 
There were 164 YES votes and 32 NO votes, for a total of 196 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstain.
 
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.  Thus, the group passes.
 
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.


Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.advocacy	Arguments for and against Unix and Unix versions.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting
questions only contact [email protected]  For questions about the
proposed group contact Chris Siebenmann <[email protected]>.


CHARTER
 
For discussions of the form 'Unix sucks!', 'Unix rules!', 'Unix is
obsolete!', 'Unix is better/worse than system X', 'Unix X is
better/worse than Unix Y', and similar.
 

comp.unix.advocacy group vote Final Vote Ack

Yes Votes
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[email protected]                                               David Pardoe
[email protected]                                           Todd Richmond
[email protected]                                                  Tim Adam
[email protected]                              Alexander Konstantinou
[email protected]                                 Allyn Barnett
[email protected]                                              Per Abrahamsen
[email protected]                                    Andras Salamon
[email protected]                                            Andrew W. Hagen
[email protected]                                       anthony baxter
[email protected]                                    Abhijit P. Rane
[email protected]                                      Arthur T. McClinton
[email protected]                                   Arthur Chance
[email protected]                                                            
[email protected]                                                Adrian Wontroba
[email protected]                                           Ed Bailey
[email protected]                                                    David Barr
[email protected]                                              Bengt Larsson
[email protected]                                                   Bill Swinyard
[email protected]                                                  B.J. Herbison
[email protected]                                        Peter G. Bouillon
[email protected]                                                 Bryan Cardoza
[email protected]                              Craig William BURLEY
[email protected]                                   Chris G. Demetriou
[email protected]                                    Chip Salzenberg
[email protected]                                        Chris Yoder
[email protected]                                        Chris James
[email protected]                                    Chua Hak Lien
[email protected]                                                Colin Jensen
[email protected]                                 Chris Siebenmann
[email protected]                                        Colin Macleod
[email protected]                                       C Matthew Curtin
[email protected]_nephi.bxbmts.bxb.MTS.dec.com     Ken Coar - Ce que je fais est secret.
[email protected]                                                 Jeff Collins
[email protected]                                       Martin Cracauer
[email protected]                                        Colin Owen Rafferty
[email protected]                                           Carl Streeter
[email protected]                                                              
[email protected]                                                   
[email protected]                                          Daniel Brown [MSAI]
[email protected]                                                    David E. Martin
[email protected]                                                 Doug Fritz
[email protected]                                                     Dan Murphy
[email protected]                                               marc (m.) donovan
[email protected]                                       Doug McLaren
[email protected]                                     Rebecca Drayer
[email protected]                                                        
[email protected]                                                     
[email protected]                                                            
[email protected]                                                 Ed Borkovsky
[email protected]                                       John E. Mendenhall
[email protected]                                             Edward Baichtal
falko@ikmfbs.ing.tu-bs.de                                      Falko Sauermann
fcamara@tid.es                                             Fco. J. Ballesteros
fischer@dina.kvl.dk                                         Lars Peter Fischer
fox@netcom.com                                                       Fuzzy Fox
Garrett.Wollman@UVM.EDU                                        Garrett Wollman
gedtdc!pjt@uu6.psi.com                                                        
ggw@acpub.duke.edu                                         G. "Wolfe" Woodbury
gibson@khan.tam.cornell.edu                                        John Gibson
glreno@afterlife.ncsc.mil                                          Gerald Reno
gre@riot.enet.dec.com                                               Gwyn Evans
greyham@research.canon.oz.au                                     Graham Stoney
gspear+@CMU.EDU                                                 Geoffrey Spear
guezou_p@epita.fr                                              philippe guezou
harle@ward.NADN.NAVY.MIL                                             Jim Harle
harley@gotit.shr.dec.com                                      Harley Privitera
hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu                               Robert A. Hayden
heilmayr@math.berkeley.edu                                    Stephan Heilmayr
hm@fwi.uva.nl                                                      Hans Mulder
hp90101@internet.sbi.com                                       Harry Protoolis
hpa@nwu.edu                                               H. Peter Anvin N9ITP
hriquelm@impreza.adm.indumotora.cl                      Hictor Riquelme Lizama
jamantle@maplesoft.on.ca                                            Jim Mantle
Jarkko.Hietaniemi@hut.fi                                     Jarkko Hietaniemi
jarvidss@seaut.abb.se                                                         
jason@oaknet.oaknet.com                                           Jason Vanick
jds@cs.UMD.EDU                                                  James da Silva
jeffo@uiuc.edu                                            J.B. Nicholson-Owens
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca                                        John Henders
jmaynard@nyx10.cs.du.edu                                           Jay Maynard
jmrosens@students.wisc.edu                                 Jesse M. Rosenstock
jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM                                                Joe Smith
jnemeth@cue.bc.ca                                                  John Nemeth
john@xsoft.xerox.com                                              John Raithel
johnh@FICUS.CS.UCLA.EDU                                         John Heidemann
jum@anubis.han.de                                               Jens-Uwe Mager
jws@cs.mu.OZ.AU                                                   Jeff Schultz
jxv3790@hertz.njit.edu                                           Jake Vogelaar
jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil                                                John Locke
kai@phantom.com                                                            Kai
kenji@k2r.or.jp                                                 Kenji Rikitake
khoub-s@cs.buffalo.edu                                        Siamak Khoubyari
kjetilho@ifi.uio.no                                       Kjetil Torgrim Homme
L15D@ZFN.uni-bremen.de                                        Martin Schroeder
lan_lada@aaf.alcatel.at                                         Marino Ladavac
lee@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu                                       charles lee
ler@lerami.lerctr.org                                           Larry Rosenman
lincoln@prospero.sp.flinders.edu.au                             Lincoln Turner
linimon@lonesome.com                                              Mark Linimon
lonadar@judy.indstate.edu                                 Lonadar the Wanderer
lootens@luc.ac.be                                                 Eddy Lootens
loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu                                      Loren Miller
magnus@ii.uib.no                                             Magnus Y Alvestad
majid@inf.enst.fr                                                  Fazal Majid
mazzarel@math.berkeley.edu                                    Ariel Mazzarelli
mcampbel@schubert.sbi.com                                        Mike Campbell
mercierm@JSP.UMontreal.CA                                      Mercier Mathieu
mikew@gopher.dosli.govt.nz                                       Mike Williams
misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de                                          
mjshield@nyx10.cs.du.edu                                       Michael Shields
mlee@cat.syr.edu                                                  Mowcheng Lee
mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu                             Mike Levis - OS/2 2.1 GA
mmt@RedBrick.COM                                          Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
mss1@cornell.edu                                          Michael Scott Shappe
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us                                  David Muir Sharnoff
neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch                                        Matthias Neeracher
nigel@socs.uts.EDU.AU                                            Nigel Pearson
ove@astro.lu.se                                                    Ove Hagerbo
patrick.m.ryan@gsfc.nasa.gov                                   patrick m. ryan
pcatsc!spwvsd!spwvsd!jeff%dptspd.UUCP                              Jeff Brooks
peter@gate1.nmti.com                                            Peter da Silva
peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au                                             Peter Wemm
petes@hpindck.cup.hp.com                                            Pete Smoot
phoffman@netcom.com                                            Paul E. Hoffman
pk@sarnoff.com                                                       prashanth
poc@usb.ve                                                 Patrick O'Callaghan
pressy@tetra.north.de                                          Carsten Bormann
prg@rampart.rco.qc.ca                       David McCabe - Progress Programmer
pzola@us.oracle.com                                                  Paul Zola
quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU                                   Michael J. Quinn
rahardj@CC.UManitoba.CA                                                       
rbagnall@au.oracle.com                                             rbagnall.AU
revco@revco.med.yale.edu                                            Jim Revkin
revu@midway.uchicago.edu                                      Sendhil Revuluri
rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
rolfe@ldp.com                                                     Rolfe Tessem
root@yclept.chi.il.us         Root a.k.a. Randolph J. Herber -- owner-sysadmin
rv@cs.brown.edu                                                Rodrigo Vanegas
schow@bnr.ca                                             stanley (s.t.h.) chow
scs@eskimo.com                                                    Steve Summit
SILVEIRA@inf.ufrgs.br                          Fernando da Silveira Montenegro
sjsmith@cs.UMD.EDU                                        Stephen Joseph Smith
sltheria@artsci.wustl.edu                                     Seth L Theriault
SRK106@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                                          Senthil R. Kumar
steve@Wattres.SJ.CA.US                                    Steve Watt -- KD6GGD
sutela@utu.fi                                                      Kari Sutela
suzio@chmar2.srl.ford.com                                           Mike Suzio
swildner@channelz.gun.de                                        Sascha Wildner
SYSBXR@SUVM.SYR.EDU                                              Bridget Rutty
tar@matt.ksu.ksu.edu                                                Tim Ramsey
tep@nwg.nectec.or.th                                           Pornthep Narula
terry@tyrell.net                                                  Terry McDill
Timo.Rinne@hut.fi                                                   Timo Rinne
tomas@u30003.rsv.svskt.se                                          Tomas Ruden
Tony_Porczyk@Novell.COM                                           Tony Porczyk
usingh@mailbox.syr.edu                                           Uminder Singh
vamsee@softint.com                                            Vamsee Lakamsani
vogon1!frackit!dave@cse.psu.edu                                 Dave Ratcliffe
vpl8747@u.cc.utah.edu                                           Ville Lavonius
walra%moacs11@NL.net                                              Waldi Ravens
wb@roka.de                                                     Wilhelm Buehler
windsord@basf-corp.com                                         David L Windsor
wrs@nlbbs.com                                                    William Smith
yadallee@galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca                     Dave Shariff Yadallee


No Votes
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burt+@CMU.EDU                                                   Burt N Holzman
ckk@uchicago.edu                                    Christopher K. Koenigsberg
davidp@qpsx.oz.au                                                 David Pascoe
davidsen@tmr.com                                                 Bill Davidsen
dmarcher@acsu.buffalo.edu                                                     
fsspr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu                                  Sean P. Ryan
gcarter@infoserv.com                                             George Carter
gl8f@fermi.clas.virginia.edu                                      Greg Lindahl
hahn@cortex.lrdc.pitt.edu                                            mark hahn
hollasch@kpc.com                                                Steve Hollasch
jan@bagend.atl.ga.us                                                 Jan Isley
jan@filetek.com                                                    Jan Morales
jgd@dixie.com                                                   John De Armond
joel@wam.umd.edu                                               Joel M. Hoffman
john@uhs1.uhs.uga.edu                                          John D. Hopkins
jrm@globalvillag.com                            John "Fax This!" MacWilliamson
kevinmac@ll.mit.edu                                           Kevin McElearney
lon@chs.com                                                          Lon Jones
magnus@thep.lu.se                                                Magnus Olsson
masticol@scr.siemens.com                                       Steve Masticola
neilb@tucumcari.eece.unm.edu                                                  
ogj@tglobe2.tollpost.no                                        Oyvind Gjerstad
rws3n@karma.astro.virginia.edu                                Robert W. Spiker
SAAST8@vms.cis.pitt.edu                                                       
shane@spr.com                                                    Shane Hartman
sheldon@iastate.edu                                                           
smarry@io.org                                                     Smarasderagd
srogers@tad.eds.com                                               Steve Rogers
tchrist@wraeththu.cs.colorado.edu                             Tom Christiansen
teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com                                     Andrew R. Tefft
tinsel@uiuc.edu                                             Thomas Aaron Insel
wirzeniu@cc.helsinki.fi                                         Lars Wirzenius


Abstaining Votes
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pace@shell.com                                                 Stephen O. Pace

 
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