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From evan@telly.on.ca Wed Sep  8 19:40:47 1993
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
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Subject: RFD: comp.unix.unixware
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This is a formal Request for Discussion for the creation of a Usenet
newsgroup for the discussion of issues regarding Unix products of
the Novell division known as UnixWare.


Proposed Name:
--------------
comp.unix.unixware

This is a natural placement for a specific company's variant of Unix,
and has significant precedent in Usenet (comp.unix.solaris, comp.unix.aix,
comp.unix.ultrix, etc.) Similar to these other groups, the UnixWare
group's purpose is not to discuss generic Unix issues, rather those
are specific to the product line now known as UnixWare.

UnixWare is Novell's implementation for Unix System 5 Release 4.2, also
known until now as Univel. While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare
contains significant enhancements and bundled products not necessarily
shared by other licencees of generic System 5.


Moderation Status:
------------------
This proposal is for an unmoderated newsgroup. It is anticipated that
there would be a two-way news-to-mail gateway at telly.on.ca,
maintained for those who do not have Usenet newsreading access.


History:
--------

The Univel mailing list was created in late winter of 1993. A
newsgroup in the 'biz' hierachy (biz.univel.misc) was established
August 2nd, with two-way gateway to the list. The mailing list now
contains more than 250 names, peaking at more than 350 before the
'biz' group was started. The group is active and growing in numbers.

Recently Novell announced its intention to drop the name Univel, and I
polled the users of the newsgroup what name it would prefer instead. A
large majority of the respondants (more than 70%) specified the newsgroup
comp.unix.unixware as their preference, while another 18% expressed a
desire to have the new newsgroup somewhere within the comp hierarchy.


Procedure:
----------

Discussion is to be held *only* in news.groups.

After at least three weeks, I will determine the next course of action
which will be either:

- Issuance of a Call for Votes on the proposal;
- Further discussion;
- Withdrawal of the proposal.

Thank you.
-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
If there's someone you can live without .... then do so - The Barenaked Ladies

From dave@dogwood.com Thu Oct 14 20:50:16 1993
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From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo)
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Subject: CFV: comp.unix.unixware
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES
 
Unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware
 
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.unixware	Discussion about Novell's UnixWare products

Votes must be received by 4 Nov 1993, 23:59:59 UTC.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact dave@dogwood.com. For questions about the
proposed group, contact evan@telly.on.ca or uunet!utzoo!telly!evan
(Evan Leibovitch).

A copy of this Call For Votes will be sent to univel@telly.on.ca after
the original Call For Votes appears in news.announce.newgroups.


STANDARD VOTING INFO

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
      vote@dogwood.com
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail
message should contain one and only one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.unix.unixware
or
      I vote NO on comp.unix.unixware

You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
Please use the _exact_ and _full_ group name or your vote will be
misregistered and may not be properly counted.

If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain"
vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no".

Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.

Votes will be acknowledged by email; a list of bounced acknowledgements
will be posted with the second Call For Votes. A mass acknowledgement
will NOT be posted. You may inquire about the status of your vote by
emailing the vote-taker (dave@dogwood.com).

After the results have been announced a complete list of the votes
will be posted in news.groups and will be mailed on request (email
requests to dave@dogwood.com).

The vote-taker can accept no responsibility for improperly configured
mailers.

CHARTER

This newsgroup is designed to be a general-purpose forum for users,
developers and resellers of Novell's UnixWare products. Should
this proposal succeed it will replace biz.univel.misc.

UnixWare is Novell's implementation of Unix System 5 Release 4.2.
While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant
enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other
licencees of generic System 5. Generic Unix discussions not specifically
regarding UnixWare, are still to be directed to the existing group
comp.unix.sys5.r4.

Discussions regarding technical issues, as well as UnixWare's role
in the marketplace, are welcome. Postings from Novell and third-party
companies, announcing releases of new products by or supporting UnixWare,
are explicitly permitted providing each announcement is only done once
and is clearly marked in the "Subject:" line.
-- 
Dave Cornejo                                There is nothing so subtle
Dogwood Media                                           as the obvious
Fremont, California

From dave@dogwood.com Tue Oct 26 17:05:35 1993
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From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo)
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Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.unix.unixware
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                     SECOND (AND LAST) CALL FOR VOTES
 
Unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware
 
Newsgroups line:
comp.unix.unixware	Discussion about Novell's UnixWare products.

Votes must be received by 4 Nov 1993 23:59:59 UTC.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact dave@dogwood.com. For questions about the
proposed group, contact evan@telly.on.ca or uunet!utzoo!telly!evan
(Evan Leibovitch).

A copy of this Call For Votes will be sent to univel@telly.on.ca after
the original Call For Votes appears in news.announce.newgroups.


STANDARD VOTING INFO

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
      vote@dogwood.com
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work). Your mail
message should contain one and only one of the following statements:

      I vote YES on comp.unix.unixware
or
      I vote NO on comp.unix.unixware

You may add a comment, but anything other than a definite statement
involving the group name and "yes", "no", "for", or "against" on a
single line may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program.
Please use the _exact_ and _full_ group name or your vote will be
misregistered and may not be properly counted.

If you later change your mind you may also use send in an "abstain"
vote in the same manner, using "abstain" in place of "yes" or "no".

Standard Guidelines for voting apply - one vote per person (not per
account). 100 more YES votes than NO votes and 2/3 of all votes being
YES are the requirements for group creation.

Votes will be acknowledged by email; a list of bounced acknowledgements
will be posted with the second Call For Votes. A mass acknowledgement
will NOT be posted. You may inquire about the status of your vote by
emailing the vote-taker (dave@dogwood.com).

After the results have been announced a complete list of the votes
will be posted in news.groups and will be mailed on request (email
requests to dave@dogwood.com).

The vote-taker can accept no responsibility for improperly configured
mailers.

CHARTER

This newsgroup is designed to be a general-purpose forum for users,
developers and resellers of Novell's UnixWare products. Should
this proposal succeed it will replace biz.univel.misc.

UnixWare is Novell's implementation of Unix System 5 Release 4.2.
While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant
enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other
licencees of generic System 5. Generic Unix discussions not specifically
regarding UnixWare, are still to be directed to the existing group
comp.unix.sys5.r4.

Discussions regarding technical issues, as well as UnixWare's role
in the marketplace, are welcome. Postings from Novell and third-party
companies, announcing releases of new products by or supporting UnixWare,
are explicitly permitted providing each announcement is only done once
and is clearly marked in the "Subject:" line.

BOUNCE VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:
   sharriso@sherlock.Utah.univel.COM
   barrey@frodo.SJF.Novell.COM
   cash@asylum.Utah.univel.COM
   jerrys@holly
   hronr@atl.ga.us
   root@ele.etsmtl.ca
   rsj@wa4mei.atl.ga.us

These votes were registered as of the time of this posting, but
acknowledgements to these addresses were returned as undeliverable.
-- 
Dave Cornejo                                There is nothing so subtle
Dogwood Media                                           as the obvious
Fremont, California

From dave@dogwood.com Thu Nov 11 10:22:55 1993
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From: dave@dogwood.com (Dave Cornejo)
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Subject: RESULT: comp.unix.unixware passes 338:23
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		    RESULTS on comp.unix.unixware Vote


comp.unix.unixware group vote results - 362 valid votes

 Yes   No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
 338   23 :  Yes   Yes :   Yes : comp.unix.unixware

   1 abstaining votes and 8 invalid votes


Thus, barring any major vote complications, comp.unix.unixware should
be created after five days.

Newsgroups lines:
comp.unix.unixware	Discussion about Novell's UnixWare products

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only, contact dave@dogwood.com. For questions about the
proposed group, contact evan@telly.on.ca or uunet!utzoo!telly!evan
(Evan Leibovitch).

 
CHARTER

This newsgroup is designed to be a general-purpose forum for users,
developers and resellers of Novell's UnixWare products. Should
this proposal succeed it will replace biz.univel.misc.

UnixWare is Novell's implementation of Unix System 5 Release 4.2.
While it is heavily based on R4.2, UnixWare contains significant
enhancements and bundled products not necessarily shared by other
licencees of generic System 5. Generic Unix discussions not specifically
regarding UnixWare, are still to be directed to the existing group
comp.unix.sys5.r4.

Discussions regarding technical issues, as well as UnixWare's role
in the marketplace, are welcome. Postings from Novell and third-party
companies, announcing releases of new products by or supporting UnixWare,
are explicitly permitted providing each announcement is only done once
and is clearly marked in the "Subject:" line.


comp.unix.unixware group vote Final Vote Ack


Yes Votes
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0005594911@mcimail.com (DAVE BONNER)                                          
acc2clj@cabell.vcu.edu (Calvin L. Jones)                                      
acmrlb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ronald L. Bolin)                                      
adam@shinto.saki.com.au (Adam Donnison)                                       
adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)                                                  
adcheong@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. A.N.D. Cheong)                                  
adsmif@mifgate.pg.gda.pl (Administrator FT i MS)                              
alan@lscruz.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Alan Strassberg)                           
alanc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Alan Coopersmith)                                     
aland@informix.com (Alan Denney)                                              
anderson@sol.acs.unt.edu (Anderson Richard L)                                 
andreas@fly.mgen.uni-heidelberg.de                                            
andrew@uel.co.uk                                                              
Andrew_Gilmartin@Brown.Edu                                                    
ank@robosoft.riga.lv (Alexander Kirpa)                                        
anthony_b_wicks@ccmgw.bal.mmc.com (anthony b wicks)                           
Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)                                     
ault@cs.albany.edu                                                            
av@omega.ssw.de (Andreas Vogel)                                               
avb@isi.itfs.nsk.su (Alexander V. Bystrov)                                    
aw1@stade.co.uk (Adrian Wontroba)                                             
ayres@cerridwen.UCS.ORST.EDU (Bill Ayres - UCS)                               
azhrei!crash@myrddin.sybus.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)                        
balson@world.std.com (Jim Balson)                                             
barrey@frodo.SJF.Novell.COM (Barrey Jewall)                                   
bcastner@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM                                         
bd@hydra.carleton.CA (Brett Delmage VE3JLG)                                   
bel@ssc.com (Belinda Frazier)                                                 
belal@sco.COM (Bela Lubkin)                                                   
ben@nj8j.atl.ga.us                                                            
bernha@david.wheaton.edu (Todd Bernhardt)                                     
bert@rsvl.unisys.com (Robert A. Hyman)                                        
bf4d5h8@if000350.BELL-ATL.COM (Sadati)                                        
bharun@netcom.com (Bustamam Harun)                                            
bhiley@tmx.mhs.oz.au (Bill Hiley)                                             
billr@panix.com (Bill Rosenblatt)                                             
Bill_Moore@Novell.COM (Bill Moore)                                            
bj@herbison.com (B.J. Herbison)                                               
bjperry@BASE.CS.UCLA.EDU (Nancy Perry)                                        
bobml@msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse)                                          
bobw@prointg.prointegra.fr                                                    
brian@cemax.com (Brian Beck)                                                  
BROWLAND@VAX1.UMKC.EDU                                                        
bryan%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (B. Althaus)                                        
Bryan@Novell.COM                                                              
bsimatov@cactus.org (Boris Simatovic)                                         
burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)                                                  
C.A.Hunt@electronic-engineering.hull.ac.uk (Carl Hunt)                        
cash@asylum.Utah.univel.COM                                                   
caye@enserb.u-bordeaux.fr (CAYE Thierry)                                      
cbugosh@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu (Chris Bugosh)                                 
Cheng_Yang@Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)                                            
chet@po.CWRU.Edu (Chet Ramey)                                                 
chm@d243s323.sietec.de (Christian Hastedt-Marckwardt)                         
chorn@ew.sussex.nj.us (Christopher Horn)                                      
chris@bcl.co.nz (Chris Mackerell)                                             
chris@quick.ins.de (Christoph Strozyk)                                        
christer@opq.se (Christer Ohlman)                                             
Chris_Clark@Novell.COM (Chris Clark)                                          
Chris_DelPrete-Delaney@Novell.COM (Chris DelPrete-Delaney)                    
chuahl@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Chua Hak Lien)                                 
chuckb@Hounix.ORG (Chuck Bentley)                                             
CRAIG@union_2.su.swin.edu.au (Craig Silva)                                    
CRH@bubble.mooses.affinity.mn.org (Christopher R. Hertel)                     
cs@gold.muc.de (Christian Seyb)                                               
cscc12@Menudo.UH.EDU (Loc T. Le)                                              
cthuang@io.org (Chin Huang)                                                   
cummins@superbook.albany.edu (Michael P. Cummins)                             
cwight@econs.umass.edu (CHARLES C WIGHT)                                      
dab@cnj.digex.com (David Barak)                                               
dames@gateway.isys.mmal.oz.au (dames)                                         
dan@dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)                                                  
danno@if.com                                                                  
Dan_Fritch@Novell.COM (Dan Fritch)                                            
dave@computone.com (David Johnson)                                            
Dave_Wilbur@Novell.COM (Dave Wilbur)                                          
david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang)                                  
davidsen@tmr.com (Bill Davidsen)                                              
David_Norris@Novell.COM                                                       
daw@qdeck.com                                                                 
dds@doc.ic.ac.uk (Diomidis Spinellis)                                         
dean@suvm.acs.syr.EDU (Dean W. Bettinger (315/443-1070))                      
dejesus@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)                   
derek@hri.com (Derek L. Schwenke)                                             
dfoss@acpub.duke.edu (Donald Foss)                                            
dittrich@cac.washington.edu                                                   
DLetcher@scout-po.biz.uiowa.edu                                               
dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy)                                      
dmj@nynexst.com (David Johnson)                                               
dmosher@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Mosher)                                          
dobson@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (LCDR Michael Dobson)                           
Doug_Finlayson@MRM.MB.CA (Doug Finlayson)                                     
dri!ANDREW_W@broue.rot.qc.ca (Andrew Webster)                                 
ds@Materna.DE (Dirk Struck)                                                   
dsiinc!bwong@uunet.UU.NET                                                     
dsomers@nunic.nu.edu                                                          
edi@deepthought3.rz.uni-regensburg.de (Edmund Weber)                          
Ed_Lane@Novell.COM (Ed Lane)                                                  
elt@goldmine.irony.com (Ed Taychert)                                          
emf@addams.att.com                                                            
eric@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu                                                   
erich@comm.mot.com (Eric Hauk)                                                
esenther@hri.com (Alan Esenther)                                              
fergus@capsogeti.fr (Fergus J. O'Reilly)                                      
fertin@enserb.u-bordeaux.fr (Ozzy)                                            
forsse@meaddata.com (Steve Forsythe)                                          
G.MORRIS@qut.edu.au (Greg Morris)                                             
gagme!maynard!root@xnet.com                                                   
gareth@qdeck.com (Gareth Boulton)                                             
gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)                                           
gavin@spider.co.uk (Gavin Shearer)                                            
gchamber@vertex-software.com (Glenn Chambers)                                 
genesis!dwexler@uu5.psi.com                                                   
ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu (Guy Helmer)                                            
ghynes@compusult.nf.ca (Gerard Hynes)                                         
glenn@arch.portal.com (Glenn Rysko)                                           
glenn@sti.com (Glenn Crocker)                                                 
gmilner@st-pauli.med.utah.edu (George Milner)                                 
gnohmon@ssiny.com (Ralph Betza)                                               
graeme@quantime.co.uk                                                         
grier@world.std.com (The Political Crony)                                     
grim@hal.com (Alan Claypool)                                                  
grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey)                                                    
gtagle@Hounix.ORG (Gerry Tagle)                                               
gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Basalat Ali Raja)                                     
HAIJKO@rc.rug.nl                                                              
haijo@cs.rug.nl (Winnie-the-Pooh)                                             
hallock@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Scott D Hallock)                                   
hodsons@bert.cs.byu.edu (Scott Hodson)                                        
hoff@darmstadt.gmd.de (Holger Hoffstaette)                                    
hronr@atl.ga.us (Randall W. Hron)                                             
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)                                           
hutchin@cs.concordia.ca (Fraser Hutchinson)                                   
ianc@comtech.ct.oz.au (Ian Cox)                                               
idmrmb@gsu.edu (Mark Buffington)                                              
igo@hri.com (Frederick J. Igo)                                                
IMHW400@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU (Mark H. Wood)                                      
irscscm!shwake@uunet.UU.NET (UNIX-to-UNIX Copy)                               
isi@ucdavis.edu                                                               
jack.hamilton@oryx.com (jack e hamilton)                                      
Jack_Thomasson@Novell.COM (Jack Thomasson)                                    
jasonfb@panix.com (Jason Foster-Bey)                                          
Jason_Pan@Novell.COM (Jason Pan)                                              
jasoom!chrisr@utacfd.uta.edu (Chris Riney)                                    
jbeaudoi@sobeco.com (jc.beaudoin)                                             
jcollier@alexandra.mtl.com (John Collier)                                     
jcosta@quimi486.quimic.pt (Joao Costa)                                        
jdavid@halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)                                           
jeff@samantha.chi.il.us (Jeffrey K. Johnson)                                  
jeff@ultrix.uor.edu (Jeffrey Keays)                                           
jeffl@syscon.ee.unsw.edu.au (Jeff Lee)                                        
jerrys@holly                                                                  
jew@convx1.ccit.arizona.edu (James E Ward)                                    
jgnassi@hstbme.mit.edu (John Angelo Gnassi)                                   
JH10@calvacom.fr (John HUGHES)                                                
jimt@josquin.CA.univel.COM                                                    
jjohnson@verdix.com (Greg Johnson)                                            
jk@dde.dk (Jens Kjerte)                                                       
jminhas@tymnet.bt.co.uk                                                       
joe@decoy.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver)                                         
johnson@bsvr4i.idi.oclc.org (Carl Johnson)                                    
johnson@spectra.com (Boyd Johnson)                                            
Jon.Mayers@barclays.co.uk (Jon Mayers)                                        
jon@if.com                                                                    
joseph@quantime.co.uk                                                         
jpotts@arcadia.lib.utah.edu (Joseph Potts)                                    
jrl@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (John Leigh)                                            
karman@ariel.wwc.edu                                                          
kbahrami@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kambiz J. Bahrami)                                
kbourque@aac.aac.com (Ken Bourque)                                            
kc3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin Wengcheong Cheng)                                 
Keith_Brown@Novell.COM (Keith Brown)                                          
ken@pixar.com (Ken Huey)                                                      
kenji@k2r.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)                                              
KEVIN@novell.nui-wgtn.gen.nz (Kevin Sartorelli)                               
kimon@omj.gna.org                                                             
kl%aega84.uucp@Germany.EU.net (K. Lingnau)                                    
klew@panix.com (Kenneth Lew)                                                  
kock@rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de                                                  
kopp_a@boson.epita.fr (arnaud kopp)                                           
krish@ice.bc.ca (Kris Hatlelid)                                               
kumar@usl.com                                                                 
L15D@ZFN.uni-Bremen.de (Martin Schr"oder)                                     
la4gen!villy@uunet.UU.NET (Will Hartung - Master Rallyeist)                   
lenoil@catalogic.com (Robert Lenoil)                                          
lim@decwet.enet.dec.com (Pean Lim)                                            
linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon)                                           
lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)                                        
lpd@feenix.metronet.com (Lou Dellaverson)                                     
lrl@stonewr.stoneware.com                                                     
luke@modus.sublink.org (Luciano Mannucci)                                     
lynn@park.uvsc.edu (Lynn Nielson)                                             
maccabe@cs.unm.edu                                                            
marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied)                                   
mark@bcl.co.nz (Mark Bennett)                                                 
mark@lri.rain.com (Mark Reay)                                                 
martin@opq.se (Martin V. Howard)                                              
martin@uw.netsource.com                                                       
martin@wleaf.demon.co.uk (Martin Cockerell)                                   
mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)                                       
mbszkara@acs.ucalgary.ca (Maria B. Szkaradzinska)                             
mcg2@Lehigh.EDU (Marc Gabriel)                                                
mdefazio@attmail.att.com                                                      
metrotor!achan@mail.uunet.ca (Andrew Chan)                                    
mgg@eljefe.ca.dynix.com (Marcel Gerard Gagne)                                 
Michael_Donahue@Novell.COM (Donahue, Michael)                                 
mick@ddiq.com (Mick Galvin)                                                   
miked@usl.com                                                                 
mingus@usl.com (Marcel-Franck Simon)                                          
mja@MJA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU                                                        
mje@mje99.posix.co.za (Mark J Elkins)                                         
mjp@cscns.com (Mike Pluta)                                                    
molly!vlcek@uunet.UU.NET (James Vlcek)                                        
msfriedl@linguistik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Friedl)                           
msl@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (Michael Lucas)                                  
msmith@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Matt Smith)                                     
mtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Taylor)                               
nachtman@fh-ulm.de (Peter Nachtmann)                                          
naleks@world.std.com (Norm Aleks)                                             
nat-3!john@uunet.UU.NET (John R. Meyer)                                       
nathan@seldon.foundation.tricon.com (Number 6)                                
neilm@halcyon.com (Neil R. Marsh)                                             
nic@hmss.de (Michael Nicolai)                                                 
nms@intel.msk.su (Nickolay Saukh)                                             
nore@cs.pitt.edu (Nore DiNardo)                                               
okkola@Nurkkatilhi.pc.Helsinki.FI                                             
ole@edb.tih.no (Ole Nymoen)                                                   
oschneid@sphinx.ruhr.de (Olaf Schneider)                                      
palowoda@netcom.com (Bob Palowoda)                                            
paul@comtech.ct.oz.au (Paul Connolly)                                         
paul@wellserv.atl.ga.us (Paul Wells)                                          
paulo@suncis.epm.br (Paulo Paiva)                                             
pepersb@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers B266-3642 H254-2363)                  
peter@DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)                                               
peter@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Peter J Diaz de Leon)                                
PHILIP@shark.stmarys.ca (Philip Howard (Computer Services))                   
pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen)                                          
pjh@pjh.jvnc.net (Pete Holsberg)                                              
poco!wrighth@vanbc.wimsey.com (Greg Wright)                                   
Pramod_Thangali@Novell.COM (Pramod Thangali)                                  
pressy@terta.north.de (Carsten "Pressy" Bormann)                              
pridke@pyxis.wwc.edu                                                          
psrc@pegasus.att.com (Paul S R Chisholm)                                      
quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael J. Quinn)                                
rayh@eng.auburn.edu (Ray W. Hiltbrand)                                        
raymond@woensel.es.ele.tue.nl (Raymond Nijssen)                               
regebro@stacken.kth.se                                                        
reimond@uninetz.gun.de                                                        
rfg@netcom.com (Ronald F. Guilmette)                                          
rgallen@muug.mb.ca (Rennie Allen)                                             
rgs@etive.equinox.gen.nz                                                      
rhodesr@watt.oedison.com (Richard L. Rhodes)                                  
rhonda@MasPar.COM (Rhonda Livingston)                                         
rich@cpp.PHA.PA.US (SysAdmin)                                                 
Richard.Elling@eng.auburn.edu (Richard Elling)                                
richardm@sdf.LoneStar.ORG (Richard F. Masoner)                                
Rich_Farr@Novell.COM (Farr, Rich)                                             
rick@digibd.com (Rick Richardson)                                             
rick@stallion.oz.au (Rick Stevenson)                                          
rja@dce.vic.gov.au (Russell Alphey)                                           
rlion@access.digex.net (crazy lion)                                           
robert@gar.no (Robert Andersson)                                              
robh@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rob Hindman)                                       
roger@opq.se (Roger Oberholtzer)                                              
roger@triplex.socal.com                                                       
rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)                                      
ron@novell.com (Ron Holt)                                                     
root@ele.etsmtl.ca                                                            
root@hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca                                                     
root@kellera.pr.net.ch (Alfred Keller)                                        
root@math-info.univ-paris5.fr                                                 
ROW@novell.math.utk.edu (Harry Row)                                           
royholl@royhome.aetech.com (Roy Hollinger - Owner)                            
rsj@wa4mei.atl.ga.us (Randy Jarrett)                                          
rstevens@noao.edu (W. Richard Stevens)                                        
rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)                                            
rufinus@vsuw03.cern.ch (JEFFREY RUFINUS, U.WISCONSIN - CERN)                  
runek@ifi.uio.no (Rune Karlsen)                                               
russell@kings.demon.co.uk (Russell Brown)                                     
rwahl@emr1.emr.ca (Ron Wahl)                                                  
rxz1011@usl.edu (Zamora Rodrigo)                                              
sanders@netcom.com (hawkeye in Gaza)                                          
scottd@panix.com (Scott Drassinower)                                          
secs0408@ms.secs.csun.edu                                                     
segure_p@boson.epita.fr (pierre seguret)                                      
serge@itco.msk.su (Serge Koloboff)                                            
setha@plaza.ds.adp.com                                                        
sferris@math.macalstr.edu (Scott Ferris)                                      
sharriso@sherlock.Utah.univel.COM (Scott Harrison)                            
simernit@ecoledoc.ibp.fr (Iouri SIMERNITSKY)                                  
Skip_Addison@Novell.COM (Skip Addison)                                        
slomana@armpit.dia.govt.nz (Aaron Sloman)                                     
sohar!tso@hatch.socal.com (Kam Sing Tso)                                      
sparre@login.dkuug.dk (Ole Husgaard)                                          
spie@math-info.univ-paris5.fr                                                 
spm@isi.itfs.nsk.su (Sergey P. Mylnikov)                                      
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)                                            
ssridhar@sj.unisys.com                                                        
stc@panix.com (Steven Cherry)                                                 
stefan@david.wheaton.edu (Stefan Brandle)                                     
steve@up.edu (Steve Ward)                                                     
stevez@amgen.com (Steve Zwaska)                                               
stuarts@grackle.apertus.com                                                   
stz@netcom.com (Steve Zwaska)                                                 
sullivan@babagi.enet.dec.com                                                  
swh@hhs-ka.de (Siegfried Hirsch)                                              
swhitlat@prism.nmt.edu (Steven Whitlatch)                                     
swt@garble.affinity.mn.org (Stephen W. Thomas)                                
tanwa@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Wea Aik)                                        
tarpit!dlpinc00!dlparker@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Dave Parker)                     
tdowling@lib.washington.edu                                                   
TEETER@admin.ocas.on.ca (Doug Teeter)                                         
thompsn@CC.UManitoba.CA                                                       
thorsten@radar.mk.open.de (Thorsten Kitz)                                     
timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck)                                            
tlwake@amoco.com (Tim Wake)                                                   
tom@sun2.etf.hr (Tomislav Zganec)                                             
tom@umi.com (Tom Mooney)                                                      
tomazi@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Georges Tomazi)                                  
tomb@gwl.com (Tom Burke)                                                      
tomg@egg.com (Tom Glover)                                                     
toomas@chem.ut.ee (Toomas Tamm)                                               
toshi@sy.isl.melco.co.jp (ITO Toshiyuki)                                      
treber@telenet.de (Christian Treber)                                          
tri@gamma.hut.fi (Timo Rinne)                                                 
tsh!oam@uu3.psi.com (Owen Marks)                                              
twb0@Lehigh.EDU (Thomas W. Brown)                                             
tyager%maxx@uunet.UU.NET                                                      
vanhala@cc.helsinki.fi (Tomas Vanhala)                                        
villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (John L. Villalovos)                                
viusys!rwb@uunet.UU.NET (Rick)                                                
WEASEL@holonet.net                                                            
weeksl@palm.cray.com (Larry Weeks)                                            
wolfcdia@w250zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (Sabine Wolf)                               
xrjrd@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov (James R. Duncan)                                  
xu5568@acad.csv.kutztown.edu (Qi Xu)                                          
yosemite@netcom.com (Alan Denney)                                             
zorba@netcom.com (Harry Skelton)                                              

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adrian@internode.com.au (Adrian Corston)                                      
backbone!wayne@tower.tssi.com (Wayne Schlitt)                                 
bouillon@cs.uni-sb.de (Peter G. Bouillon)                                     
cheah@cs.columbia.edu (Po Shan Cheah)                                         
chjo@aries.tdata.no (Christer Johansen)                                       
davidgu@sco.COM (David Gurr, Solutions Marketing)                             
dcameron@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Cameron)                                       
greig@pip.oci.utoronto.ca (David Iain Greig)                                  
jrm@globalvillag.com (John R. MacWilliamson)                                  
jsspelb@VisiCom.COM (Jon Spelbring)                                           
julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey)                                       
jyke@cs.tut.fi (Jokinen Jyke)                                                 
M147150@urz-mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Nullmeier)                     
mats@netcom.com (Mats Wichmann)                                               
mughal@alumni.cco.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)                                  
revu@midway.uchicago.edu (\"Sendhil \"Mr. Bubbles\" Revuluri\")               
rick@bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)                                          
SAAST8@vms.cis.pitt.edu                                                       
smarry@io.org (Smarasderagd Draco)                                            
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)                                       
v882109@cottenje.si.hhs.nl                                                    
walra%moacs11@NL.net (Waldi Ravens)                                           
warlock@csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)                                           

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cmetz@thor.tjhsst.edu (Craig Metz)                                            
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dold@rahul.net (Clarence Dold)                                                
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isss02!dvenus@cuuxb.att.com                                                   
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keng@skypoint.com (Ken Germann)                                               
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root@mail.Novell.DE (Novell EASE Administrator)                               
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From spb@ntrs.com Wed Mar 22 16:19:45 1995
Path: uunet!bounce-back
From: spb@ntrs.com (Steve Bonine)
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                      FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
          unmoderated group comp.unix.unixware.misc
	  moderated group   comp.unix.unixware.announce

Newsgroups lines:
comp.unix.unixware.misc	Products of Novell's Unix Systems Group.
comp.unix.unixware.announce	Announcements related to UnixWare. (Moderated)

Votes must be received by 29:59:59 UTC, 12 April 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only contact Steve Bonine <spb@ntrs.com>.  For questions about the proposed
group contact Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.telly.org>.

BACKGROUND:

Traffic in the existing comp.unix.unixware newsgroup has grown to the
point where splitting it into multiple groups has been proposed and
endorsed by those readers of the group who participated in a straw poll.
Consensus followed that the first 'split' allow a new group to be created
in which 'announcements' from users or vendors could be posted, free
of side-discussions, in the manner of numerous "announce" newsgroups
already existing in the comp.* namespace.

CHARTERS and RATIONALES

CHARTER FOR comp.unix.unixware.announce:

This group is intended To provide a low-noise forum for official
announcements from Novell, users and third-parties supporting UnixWare
products. Product announcements, listings of events and functions,
official statements, availability of archives sites storing UnixWare
binaries or documentation, price lists, press releases and position
papers are all welcome. Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) files, including
but not limited to the extensive UnixWare FAQ maintained by Jim Vlcek,
are also welcome.

Creation of this group would make the existing UnixWare mailing list
gateway easier to manage; it would make useful announcements easier to
archive and/or allow different Usenet expiry times vis. the existing
group.


RATIONALE FOR MODERATION OF comp.unix.unixware.announce:

It is intended that this group will be restricted to one-time-only
announcements, without discussion. The moderation would merely enforce
this simple policy, without being judgemental regarding content or
source.

All articles posted to this group would include a header re-directing
followup discussions of any kind to comp.unix.unixware.misc. Articles
will be encouraged to contain an "Archive-Name" header for the benefit
of sites with automatic archiving software.

The proposed moderator is myself; Evan Leibovitch, creator of the
original Univel mailing list and later the newsgroups biz.univel.misc
and comp.unix.unixware.

Why? Nobody else has come forward during initial discussions. I believe
as a UnixWare VAR I ride a reasonable middle ground between Novell and
end users, as to be not overly siding with one side or another. Indeed,
it seems from this viewpoint that most of the traffic in the newsgroups
so far has not been adversarial. I do not consider the moderation of
this group to be at all controversial.


CHARTER OF comp.unix.unixware.misc:

This will be almost identical to the original charter of the group
comp.unix.unixware, which itself is derived from biz.univel.misc.

This is a general-purpose forum for discussion about products of
Novell's Unix Systems Group, primarily its implementation of Unix
for PC-architecture systems sold under the name UnixWare. Product
announcements and advertisements are now discouraged; postings of
this kind should use the new group comp.unix.unixware.announce.


RATIONALE FOR RENAMING comp.unix.unixware TO comp.unix.unixware.misc:

While the original idea was simply to create a moderated .announce group,
David Lawrence has suggested that it is preferable to rename the current
group at the same time, thus maintaining a consistent namespace. This
will make it easier to create further groups under a comp.unix.unixware.*
hierarchy in the future should the need arise. It will also reduce
cross-posting and simplify news-system administration.

As comp.unix.unixware was gatewayed to the 'univel' mailing list, the
comp.unix.unixware.misc will be, also once renamed.

HOW TO VOTE

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