From [email protected] Wed Jul  1 16:34:17 1992
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From: Chris Jobling 
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Subject: RFD: sci.engr.control
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Date: 1 Jul 1992 15:45:34 -0400
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Control engineering is a major area of research and application that receives
little coverage in USENET. Part of the reason may be that the subject is
cross disciplinary and so people with problems or views maybe direct their
discussions to other specialist groups. However, from running an electronic
newsletter on control engineering matters, 
I know that there are numerous 'network literate'  control engineers
who might benefit from a forum of their own. Therefore I am calling for
a request for discussion on the foundation of a new Newsgroup with the proposed
name sci.engr.control.

Here for discussion is a draft charter

		sci.engr.control
                ================

This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas amongst 
practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any subject related to the practice or theory of control engineering.

Topics to discuss can vary as far as your imagination stretches within the
realms of control engineering and the technology that affects it.

The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including
theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and
implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be

	o data definitions for control systems design packages
	o user interfaces for control systems design packages
	o system modelling languages
	o simulation packages
        o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control
	o the application of new computer science techniques
          in control systems design and implementation
	o commercial packages
	o new theories
        o applications of control
        o social and environmental impact of control
        o control systems education 

One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software
systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and
implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the
development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will
eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based
tools. Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas
and control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by
industry. A further implicit aim is to try to break down the
communication barriers that traditionally exist in the control
community and to introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby
widening their horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the
free exchange of ideas that other users of computers have known for
some time.
-- 
Chris Jobling, Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering,
University College, Swansea, Singleton Park, Swansea SA2 8PP, UK
email:	JANET:			[email protected]
	Internet		eechris%[email protected]

From [email protected] Sat Aug  1 01:29:18 1992
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From: [email protected] (Chris Jobling)
Subject: CFV: sci.engr.control
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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This is the first call for votes for an unmoderated group for discussion
of topics related to the theory and practice of control engineering. 
The request for discussion (RFD) was published 
about one month ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's 
creation was generally positive.  It's now time to put it to a vote.

NAME:
    sci.engr.control

STATUS:  
    unmoderated

CHARTER:

This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas
amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any
subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and
control engineering.

The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including
theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and
implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be

	o data definitions for control systems design packages
	o user interfaces for control systems design packages
	o system modelling languages
	o simulation packages
        o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control
	o the application of new computer science techniques
          in control systems design and implementation
	o commercial control systems design and analysis packages
	o new theories
        o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, 
          transport, manufacturing, ...)
        o real-time software
        o social and environmental impact of control systems
        o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...)
        o control systems education 

* One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software
systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and
implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the
development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will
eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based
tools.


* Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and
control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by
industry.
 

* A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication
barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to
introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their
horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of
ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.`



VOTING PROCEDURE:

  Send votes to: [email protected]

  Preferably your message should include one of the following lines
  in the body of the text:

      I vote YES for sci.engr.control
      I vote NO for sci.engr.control

  We will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote 
  is made clear and unambiguous.  If we receive more than one vote
  from the same account;

    o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, We will
      count the votes as one vote. We will send email informing
      the voter that their vote is only being counted once.

    o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, We will
      throw out both votes. I will send email informing the
      voter that their vote is being discounted in this case.

  The voting period ends at 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) on Monday, Aug 31, 1992. 
  In order for your vote to be counted we must receive it before then.

COMMENTS:
  
  The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require
  that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that
  the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. We will post a 
  mass acknowledgement of votes received and further calls for votes at     
  approximately weekly intervals.


  Note, Votes are being counted by my friend and colleague Roumen Antonov.
  Please send your votes to him  not to me. I am
  going on vacation and so any votes that are sent to me
  will not be seen until September, after the vote concludes.

  Chris

From [email protected] Thu Aug 13 00:59:42 1992
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From: [email protected] (Roumen Antonov)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.engr.control
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: poster
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected] (r b antonov)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:42:30 GMT
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This is the second call for votes for an unmoderated group for
discussion of topics related to the theory and practice of control
engineering.  The request for discussion (RFD) was published about one
month ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's creation was
generally positive.  It's now time to put it to a vote.

NAME:
    sci.engr.control

STATUS:  
    unmoderated

CHARTER:

This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas
amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any
subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and
control engineering.

The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including
theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and
implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be

	o data definitions for control systems design packages
	o user interfaces for control systems design packages
	o system modelling languages
	o simulation packages
        o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control
	o the application of new computer science techniques
          in control systems design and implementation
	o commercial control systems design and analysis packages
	o new theories
        o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, 
          transport, manufacturing, ...)
        o real-time software
        o social and environmental impact of control systems
        o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...)
        o control systems education 

* One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software
systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and
implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the
development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will
eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based
tools.


* Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and
control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by
industry.
 

* A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication
barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to
introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their
horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of
ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.`



VOTING PROCEDURE:

  Send votes to me: [email protected]

  Preferably your message should include one of the following lines
  in the body of the text:

      I vote YES for sci.engr.control
      I vote NO for sci.engr.control

  We will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote 
  is made clear and unambiguous.  If we receive more than one vote
  from the same account;

    o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, We will
      count the votes as one vote. We will send email informing
      the voter that their vote is only being counted once.

    o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, We will
      throw out both votes. I will send email informing the
      voter that their vote is being discounted in this case.

  The voting period ends at 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) on Monday, Aug 31, 1992. 
  In order for your vote to be counted we must receive it before then.

COMMENTS:
  
  The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require
  that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that
  the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. We will post a 
  mass acknowledgement of votes received and further calls for votes at     
  approximately weekly intervals.


--------------------------------------------------------------------

To date I have received votes from 216 people. I tried to acknowledge
the receipt of each vote. However some of my replies were returned to
me by the mailer. If you have sent me your vote but haven't heard from
me please check whether your name is in the list below. If not, please
drop me a message.

Thank you!

Roumen

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       At 2 p.m.(GMT) on 12 August I have received votes from:  
                   (in alphabetical order)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
A M. Vann 
Ahmed Zaki 
Alan J. Laub  
Alec Stothert 
Alex Dommasch 
Alex Stankovic  
Allan Longley 
Ananda Kishore 
Andre Tits 
Andrew Paice 
Armand Brucato 
Art Krener  
Austin Spang 
[email protected]
Banavar Sridhar 
Barry Haynes 
Bernard Adrian Frankpitt 
Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee 
Bjorn Lindberg 
Bjorn Wittenmark 
Blessed Ballesteros 
Bo G|ransson 
Brad Wallet 
Bradley Dickinson 
Brent R. Young    
Brian B. Young 
Bruce Jackson 
C Y Wang 
[email protected]
COLLIN MCCULLEY 
Carl Rigney 
Charles Francois 
Charles Jacob Cohen 
Chin E. Lin 
Ching-Long Wu 
Chris Jobling 
Christer Hansson 
Christopher B. Lynch 
Christopher Mullins 
Chuck Eubank 
Coman B T 
D_SIMON 
[email protected]
Daniel Abramovitch 
Daniel Larsson 
David Brumbley 
David Jenkins 
David Marshall 
Dean Redelinghuys 
Diane Apgar  
Don DeVoe  
Donald Russell 
Dorota Temple 
Ed McGuire 
Edward Scott Meadows 
[email protected]
Fong Kin Fui 
Fred R. Beck 
Geoff Allen 
Gerry Roston 
Goran Hagg 
Graham Pye 
Grant Grobbelaar 
Hans-Peter Graenicher 
Hassan Saleh 
Huub Bakker 
Ian Harvey 
Ian R. Searle 
Ian Richard Petersen 
Ike Stoddard 
[email protected]
James Dimos Dimarogonas 
Jamie Burnside  
Javier C. Caballero 
Jeff Joslin 
Jeff deRienzo  
Jeffrey C. Kantor  
Jeremy Ginger 
Jerzy Moscinski 
Jinghong CHEN 
Joel C. MacMurray 
Johan Pensar RT 
John Duffie 
John Edmunds 
John Harkin 
John King 
John P. Fletcher  
John P. Havener  
John Phillips 
John R. Dooley 
John W. Eaton 
John Watkins 
John van der Hoek 
K A Edge 
K.-C. Wen  
Ken Cooke 
Ken Hunt 
Kenneth A. Loparo 
Kenneth Holmstr|m 
Kent Schnaith 
Kim DeVaughn 
Kim LAW 
Knut Gundersen 
Kristinn Kristinsson 
Kwang-Lay Chen 
L.Y.E.Cheung 
Lawrence Robinson  
Lih-Chyun S Shu 
Looi Kwok Onn 
Lou Russo 
M. Stote 
MCMURRAY,GARY V 
Magnus Rahm 
Magnus Rimvall 
Malcolm Good 
Mandel, Jeff E 
Mark E. Kotanchek 
Mark Takacs 
[email protected]
Martin Czigler 
Martin Rickli 
Mats Andersson 
Mats Molander 
Matt Fryer 
Matt Wette 
Meenan Vishnu 
Mehmet M. Kayaalp 
Micael Karlberg 
Michael C. Grant 
Michael Corvin 
Michael Usher 
Mike Branicky 
Mike Caldwell 
Min Chen 
N.Sundararajan 
Nasser Abbasi 
Netter Thomas 
Ole Ravn 
Per Erik Mode'n 
Peter J Turner 
Peter J. Boulay  
Peter Jansen 
Phil Howard 
Philip Miller  
Pino Porciello 
Pranob Banerjee 
Prasad Padmanabhan 
R. Jayakrishnan 
R.Chaplin 
RAI Ranjan 
[email protected]
RG CAMERON 
Ravi Gopinath 
Ravi Rajamani 
Ravichandran (Sunmoon) 
Reece Pollack 
Richard H. Miller 
Richard Kulawiec 
Richard Yee 
Rob Sherwood  
Rob Spence 
Rob Stengel 
Robert White 
Roger Germundsson 
Roger S Powell 
Ron Hatcher 
Roumen Antonov 
Russell Jones  
Ryou Kondo 
SDEVARA1%[email protected]
STEVE KAHNE  
Sascha Wildner 
Scott Morgan 
Sheena MacKenzie 
Sian Hope 
Siva Prasad  
Sridhar Venkataraman 
Steve Watt 
Syed Khaleel Ahmed 
T Crummey 
T Fitzpatrick 
[email protected]
Taki Milionis 
Teng-Tiow TAY  
Tom Dickens 
Tom Meadowcroft  
Tomas McKelvey 
Tony Barr 
Torbj|rn Andersson 
Trevor Jackson 
Ulf Olsson 
Vasnani 
Vaughan Roberts   
[email protected]
Walter Santarelli 
Wei Ren 
[email protected]
e-Floyd B. Hanson 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jan Maciejowski)
jphilip%[email protected]
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[email protected]

Thanks to all who responded!

From [email protected] Thu Aug 27 01:15:26 1992
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From: [email protected] (Roumen Antonov)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.engr.control
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: new newsgroup, control, dynamic systems, CACSD, computer-aided engineering
Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence)
Reply-To: [email protected] (r b antonov)
Organization: University College of Swansea, UK
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:57:32 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Lines: 461

This is the third, final call for votes for an unmoderated group for
discussion of topics related to the theory and practice of control
engineering.  The request for discussion (RFD) was published about two
months ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's creation was
generally positive.  The call for votes (CFV) was initially posted about
20 days ago and many people responded (the acknowledgement is later
in this posting). Here is the proposal for the new newsgroup:

-------------------------------------------------------

NAME:
    sci.engr.control

STATUS:  
    unmoderated

CHARTER:

This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas
amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any
subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and
control engineering.

The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including
theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development 
of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and
implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be

	o data definitions for control systems design packages
	o user interfaces for control systems design packages
	o system modelling languages
	o simulation packages
        o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control
	o the application of new computer science techniques
          in control systems design and implementation
	o commercial control systems design and analysis packages
	o new theories
        o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, 
          transport, manufacturing, ...)
        o real-time software
        o social and environmental impact of control systems
        o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...)
        o control systems education 

* One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software
systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and
implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the
development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will
eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based
tools.


* Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and
control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by
industry.
 

* A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication
barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to
introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their
horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of
ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.`



VOTING PROCEDURE:

  Send ALL votes to me: [email protected]

  Preferably your message should include one of the following lines
  in the body of the text:

      I vote YES for sci.engr.control
      I vote NO for sci.engr.control

  We will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote 
  is made clear and unambiguous.  If we receive more than one vote
  from the same account;

    o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, We will
      count the votes as one vote. We will send email informing
      the voter that their vote is only being counted once.

    o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, We will
      throw out both votes. I will send email informing the
      voter that their vote is being discounted in this case.

  The voting period ends at 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) on Monday, Aug 31, 1992. 
  In order for your vote to be counted we must receive it before then.

COMMENTS:
  
  The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require
  that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that
  the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. 

     *********************************************************
     *                    IMPORTANT!!!                       *
     *                   **************                      *
     * If you want to cast your vote, please make sure that  *
     * I receive your message before 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT)   *
     *           on Monday, Aug 31, 1992!                    *
     *       (Allow 28 days for delivery ;-) )               *
     *********************************************************

=====================================================================

                    VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

To date I have received votes from 333 people. I tried to acknowledge
the receipt of each vote. However some of my replies were returned to
me by the mailer. If you have sent your vote but haven't heard from
me please check whether your name is in the list below. If not, please
drop me a message.

Thank you!

Roumen



--------------------------------------------------------------------
       Until 12 p.m.(GMT) on 25 August I have received votes from:  
                   (in alphabetical order)
--------------------------------------------------------------------

A M. Vann 
Ahmed Zaki 
Alan J. Laub  
Alec Stothert 
Alex Dommasch 
Alex Stankovic  
Allan Longley 
Anand Praturi  
Ananda Kishore 
Andre Tits 
Andrew Mullhaupt  
Andrew Paice 
Ann Berner 
Appa Madiwale  
Armand Brucato 
Art Krener  
Ashok Iyer 
Ashok Machcha  
Austin Spang 
[email protected]
Banavar Sridhar 
Barry Haynes 
Bernard Adrian Frankpitt 
Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee 
Bill Moore 
Bjorn Lindberg 
Bjorn Wittenmark 
Blessed Ballesteros 
Bo G|ransson 
Bob Antia  
Brad Wallet 
Bradley Dickinson 
Brent R. Young    
Brian B. Young 
Brian Kemper  
Bruce Jackson 
C Y Wang 
[email protected]
COLLIN MCCULLEY 
Calvin Y. Fu  
Cameron Laird  
Carl Rigney 
Charles Francois 
Charles Jacob Cohen 
Chin E. Lin 
Ching-Long Wu 
Chris Jobling 
Christer Hansson 
Christopher B. Lynch 
Christopher Mullins 
Chuck Eubank 
Coman B T 
DOUGLAS COFFMAN  
D_SIMON 
Dan Kerl  
[email protected]
Daniel Abramovitch 
Daniel Larsson 
Daniel Offutt 
David A. Nelson  
David Brumbley 
David Jenkins 
David L. Hanson  
David Marshall 
David McLeod  
David Voracek  
Dean Redelinghuys 
Dennis Wong 
Diane Apgar  
Dick Palas  
Dimitrios P. Tsakiris 
Don DeVoe  
Donald Russell 
Dorota Temple 
Drago Indjic  
Dwight Aplevich 
Ed Bailey  
Ed McGuire 
Edward D. Biggs  
Edward Scott Meadows 
Erik Wolff Kjemiteknikk 
[email protected]
Fong Kin Fui 
Frank Allgower 
Fred Putnam 
Fred R. Beck 
Geoff Allen 
George Carrette 
Gerry Roston 
Glen Wolfe 
Goran Hagg 
Graham Pye 
Grant Grobbelaar 
Greg Hargrove  
Greg Olsen 
Gregory G. Woodbury 
[email protected]
[email protected]
Hans-Peter Graenicher 
Hassan Saleh 
Hendra Wahyudi 
Howard Feldstein  
Huub Bakker 
Ian Harvey 
Ian R. Searle 
Ian Richard Petersen 
Ike Stoddard 
Irving Lefkowitz  
J.J. McCarthy 
[email protected]
James B. Rawlings  
James Dimos Dimarogonas 
James H. Taylor  
James Whidborne 
Jamie Burnside  
Javier C. Caballero 
Jeff Joslin 
Jeff deRienzo  
Jeffrey C. Kantor  
Jeremy Ginger 
Jerzy Moscinski 
Jiangbin Sun 
Jim Ault 
Jinghong CHEN 
Jiri Klemes 
Joe F. Junker  
Joe Pahle  
Joel C. MacMurray 
Johan Pensar RT 
John C Kiss  
John Duffie 
John Edmunds 
John Harkin 
John King 
John P. Fletcher  
John P. Havener  
John Phillips 
John R. Dooley 
John Vorwald  
John W. Eaton 
John Watkins 
John van der Hoek 
K A Edge 
K.-C. Wen  
Kam-Wing Li  
Kamran Ossia 
Karmran Ziai  
Ken Cooke 
Ken Hunt 
Kenneth A. Loparo 
Kenneth Holmstr|m 
Kent Schnaith 
Kim DeVaughn 
Kim LAW 
Knut Gundersen 
Krister Forsman  
Kristinn Kristinsson 
Kwang-Lay Chen 
L.Y.E.Cheung 
Lambert Schomaker 
Lawrence Robinson  
Lih-Chyun S Shu 
Looi Kwok Onn 
Lou Russo 
M. Stote 
MCMURRAY,GARY V 
Magnus Rahm 
Magnus Rimvall 
Malcolm Good 
Mamdouh Refaat  
Mandel, Jeff E 
Marc Buchner  
Mark Alan Erickson  
Mark E. Kotanchek 
Mark Johnson 
Mark Takacs 
[email protected]
Martin Czigler 
Martin Rickli 
Mats Andersson 
Mats Molander 
Matt Fryer 
Matt Wette 
Meenan Vishnu 
Mehmet M. Kayaalp 
Micael Karlberg 
Michael C. Grant 
Michael Corvin 
Michael D. Majors 
Michael Usher 
Michel COMBES  
Mike Baranowski  
Mike Branicky 
Mike Caldwell 
Min Chen 
N.Sundararajan 
Nasser Abbasi 
Netter Thomas 
Noel H. Bell  
Nolan Read  
Ole Ravn 
Osborne King  
PHANI B. SISTU  
Patrick Sagaser  
Paul Choudhury 
Paul Parry 
Per Erik Mode'n 
Peter Humphrey  
Peter J Turner 
Peter J. Boulay  
Peter Jansen 
Peter Shea  
Phil Howard 
Philip Miller  
Philip.M. Sargent 
Philippe Villard  
Pino Porciello 
Pranob Banerjee 
Prasad Padmanabhan 
R D Felton" 
R Kurt Heinzmann  
R. Brooks Reed 
R. Jayakrishnan 
R.Chaplin 
R.L.Christiansen 
RAI Ranjan 
RAI Ranjan 
[email protected]
RG CAMERON 
RICK PITTARD  
Randy Baer  
Ravi Gopinath 
Ravi Rajamani 
Ravichandran (Sunmoon) 
Reece Pollack 
Rich G. Ciccotti  
Richard Banks  
Richard H. Miller 
Richard Kulawiec 
Richard Lemieux  
Richard Yee 
Rick Lind 
Rob A. Vingerhoeds 
Rob Sherwood  
Rob Spence 
Rob Stengel 
Robert Andrew 
Robert Raisch  
Robert White 
Roger Germundsson 
Roger S Powell 
Ron Graham  
Ron Hatcher 
Ross McAree 
Roumen Antonov 
Russell Jones  
Ryou Kondo 
SDEVARA1%[email protected]
STEVE KAHNE  
Saeed  
Sam Sirlin  
Sascha Wildner 
Scott Bushman  
Scott Morgan 
Sheena MacKenzie 
Sian Hope 
Sinan Karahan  
Siva Prasad  
Sridhar Venkataraman 
Stephanie Butler  
Stephen M. Miller 
Steve Baldwin  
Steve Clift 
Steve Watt 
Sue J. Worden  
Sven Hammarling 
Sven Heinicke 
Syed Khaleel Ahmed 
T Crummey 
T Fitzpatrick 
[email protected]
THOMAS D MAIER  
Taki Milionis 
Teng-Tiow TAY  
Terry Cline  
Tobin C. Anthony  
Tom Bryan  
Tom Dickens 
Tom Meadowcroft  
Tomas McKelvey 
Tony Barr 
Torbj|rn Andersson 
Tore Tjomsland 
Trevor Jackson 
Troy Gutjahr 
Ulf Olsson 
Vadim Polyakov 
Vasnani 
Vaughan Roberts   
Vernon L. Chi 
Vic Aitken  
Vijaykumar M. Hanagandi  
[email protected]
Walter Santarelli 
Wayne Smith 
Wei Ren 
William Hawkins  
William Reiken 
Yong You  
[email protected]
[email protected]
e-Floyd B. Hanson 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jan Maciejowski)
jphilip%[email protected]
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m0039%[email protected]
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Thanks to all who responded!

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From: Chris Jobling 
Subject: RESULT: sci.engr.control passes 390:12
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The voting period for the unmoderated group sci.engr.control
is over. The group passed overwhelmingly with 390 votes for and 12 votes
against.

Here is the charter
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NAME:
    sci.engr.control

STATUS:  
    unmoderated

CHARTER:

This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas
amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any
subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and
control engineering.

The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including
theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development 
of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and
implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be

	o data definitions for control systems design packages
	o user interfaces for control systems design packages
	o system modelling languages
	o simulation packages
        o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control
	o the application of new computer science techniques
          in control systems design and implementation
	o commercial control systems design and analysis packages
	o new theories
        o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, 
          transport, manufacturing, ...)
        o real-time software
        o social and environmental impact of control systems
        o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...)
        o control systems education 

* One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software
systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and
implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the
development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will
eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based
tools.


* Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and
control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by
industry.
 

* A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication
barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to
introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their
horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of
ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.

Final analysis of votes

YES votes received:

A M. Vann 
Aaron Owens 
Ahmed Zaki 
Alan J. Laub  
Alex Stankovic  
Allan Longley 
Anand Praturi  
Ananda Kishore 
Andre Tits 
Andrew A. Anda 
Andrew Mullhaupt  
Andrew Paice 
Andrew Telford 
Ann Berner 
Appa Madiwale  
Armand Brucato 
Art Krener  
Ashok Iyer 
Ashok Machcha  
Austin Spang 
[email protected]
Banavar Sridhar 
Barry Haynes 
Bernard Adrian Frankpitt 
Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee 
Bill Moore 
Bjorn Lindberg 
Bjorn Wittenmark 
Blessed Ballesteros 
Bo G|ransson 
Bob Antia  
Brad Perry  
Bradley Dickinson 
Brent R. Young    
Brian B. Young 
Brian Kemper  
Bruce Jackson 
C Y Wang 
[email protected]
COLLIN MCCULLEY 
Calvin Y. Fu  
Cameron Laird  
Charles Francois 
Charles Jacob Cohen 
Chima Njaka 
Chin E. Lin 
Ching-Long Wu 
Chris Jobling 
Christer Hansson 
Christopher B. Lynch 
Christopher Boek 
Christopher Mullins 
Chuck Eubank 
Chujen Lin 
[email protected]
Claude Huss 
Coman B T 
DOUGLAS COFFMAN  
D_SIMON 
Dan Kerl  
[email protected]
Daniel Abramovitch 
Daniel Larsson 
Daniel Offutt 
Darren M Barborak 
David A. Nelson  
David Brumbley 
David Jenkins 
David L. Elliott 
David L. Hanson  
David McLeod  
David Rathbun 
David Voracek  
David Wheeler 
Dean Redelinghuys 
Dennis Wong 
Diane Apgar  
Dick Palas  
Dimitrios P. Tsakiris 
Don DeVoe  
Donald Russell 
Dorota Temple 
Drago Indjic  
Dwight Aplevich 
Ed Bailey  
Edward D. Biggs  
Edward Scott Meadows 
Elling W. Jacobsen  
Erik Wolff Kjemiteknikk 
[email protected]
Fok, Sai-Cheong  
Fok, Sai-Cheong 
Fong Kin Fui 
Frank Allgower 
Frank Gleason 
Fred Putnam 
Fred R. Beck 
G. V. Ruman 
Geoff Allen 
George Carrette 
Ger Otten 
Glen Wolfe 
Glenn E. Thobe 
Goran Hagg 
Graham Pye 
Grant Grobbelaar 
Greg Hargrove  
Greg Olsen 
Gregory G. Woodbury 
Guy Dumont 
[email protected]
[email protected]
Hans-Peter Graenicher 
Hassan Saleh 
Hendra Wahyudi 
Howard Feldstein  
Huub Bakker 
Ian Harvey 
Ian R. Searle 
Ian Richard Petersen 
Ike Stoddard 
Irving Lefkowitz  
J.J. McCarthy 
[email protected]
JIM GERSTLE 
James B. Rawlings  
James Dimos Dimarogonas 
James H. Taylor  
James Whidborne 
Jamie Burnside  
Jamison Graff 
Javier C. Caballero 
Jeff Allen 
Jeff Garland 
Jeff Joslin 
Jeff deRienzo  
Jeffrey C. Kantor  
Jeremy Ginger 
Jerzy Moscinski 
Jian Zhou 
Jiangbin Sun 
Jim Ault 
Jim....x3506 
Jinghong CHEN 
Jiri Klemes 
Joe F. Junker  
Joe Pahle  
Joel C. MacMurray 
Johan Pensar RT 
John C Kiss  
John Duffie 
John Edmunds 
John G Dobnick 
John Harkin 
John King 
John P. Fletcher  
John P. Havener  
John Phillips 
John R. Dooley 
John S. Novak III 
John Vorwald  
John W. Eaton 
John Watkins 
John van der Hoek 
Jon Jacky 
Jordan 
K A Edge 
K.-C. Wen  
Kam-Wing Li  
Kamran Ossia 
Karmran Ziai  
Keat-Choon Goh 
Ken Cooke 
Ken Hunt 
Kenneth A. Loparo 
Kenneth Holmstr|m 
Kent Schnaith 
Kevin Maguire 
Kim DeVaughn 
Kim LAW 
Knut Gundersen 
Krister Forsman  
Kristinn Kristinsson 
Kwang-Lay Chen 
L.Y.E.Cheung 
Lambert Schomaker 
Lauri Moilanen 
Lawrence Robinson  
Laxmi Prasad Musunur 
Lih-Chyun S Shu 
Looi Kwok Onn 
Lou Russo 
M. Stote 
MCMURRAY,GARY V 
Magnus Rahm 
Magnus Rimvall 
Malcolm Good 
Mamdouh Refaat  
Mandel, Jeff E 
Marc Buchner  
Marek Tuszynski 
Mark Alan Erickson  
Mark Andrew Austin  
Mark Baratta 
Mark E. Kotanchek 
Mark Johnson 
Mark Takacs 
[email protected]
Martin Czigler 
Martin Rickli 
Mats Andersson 
Mats Molander 
Matt Fryer 
Matt Wette 
Matthew Saltzman 
Meenan Vishnu 
Mehmet M. Kayaalp 
Micael Karlberg 
Michael C. Grant 
Michael Corvin 
Michael D. Majors 
Michael Dyer 
Michael Usher 
Michel COMBES  
Mike Baranowski  
Mike Branicky 
Mike Caldwell 
Mike Jackson 
Min Chen 
N. Saravanan 
N.Sundararajan 
Nasser Abbasi 
Netter Thomas 
Noel H. Bell  
Nolan Read  
Norm Jerome 
Norm Jerome  
Nuno Oliveira 
Ole Ravn 
Ole Robert Hestvik  
Ommund Oegaard  
Osborne King  
PHANI B. SISTU  
Patrick Sagaser  
Paul Choudhury 
Paul Parry 
Per Erik Mode'n 
Per Hagander 
Peter Humphrey  
Peter J Turner 
Peter Jansen 
Peter Shea  
Phil Howard 
Phil Malin 
Philip Miller  
Philip.M. Sargent 
Philippe VIJGHEN  
Philippe Villard  
Pino Porciello 
Pranob Banerjee 
Prasad Padmanabhan 
R D Felton" 
R Kurt Heinzmann  
R. Brooks Reed 
R. Jayakrishnan 
R.Chaplin 
R.L.Christiansen 
RAI Ranjan 
RAI Ranjan 
[email protected]
RG CAMERON 
RICK PITTARD  
Randy A. Graca 
Randy Baer  
Ravi Gopinath 
Ravi Rajamani 
Ravichandran (Sunmoon) 
Reece Pollack 
Rich G. Ciccotti  
Richard A. Fowell 
Richard Banks  
Richard Lemieux  
Richard Yee 
Rick Lind 
Rob A. Vingerhoeds 
Rob Sherwood  
Rob Spence 
Rob Stengel 
Robert Andrew 
Robert Raisch  
Robert White 
Roger Germundsson 
Roger S Powell 
Ron Graham  
Ron Hatcher 
Ross McAree 
Roumen Antonov 
Russell Jones  
Ryou Kondo 
S.T. Venkataraman 
SDEVARA1%[email protected]
STEVE KAHNE  
Saeed  
Sam Sirlin  
Sascha Wildner 
Scott Bushman  
Scott Hawker 
Scott Morgan 
Sheena MacKenzie 
Sian Hope 
Simo H S{teri 
Sinan Karahan  
Siva Prasad  
Sridhar Venkataraman 
Stefan Weijers 
Stephanie Butler  
Stephen M. Miller 
Steve Baldwin  
Steve Clift 
Steve Watt 
Steven E. Arlow 
Sue J. Worden  
Sven Hammarling 
Syed Khaleel Ahmed 
T Crummey 
T Fitzpatrick 
[email protected]
THOMAS D MAIER  
Taki Milionis 
Teng-Tiow TAY  
Terho Jussila  
Terry Cline  
Tobin C. Anthony  
Tom Bryan  
Tom Dickens 
Tom Meadowcroft  
Tomas McKelvey 
Tonnie Geraets 
Tony Barr 
Torbj|rn Andersson 
Tore Tjomsland 
Trevor Jackson 
Trish 
Troy Gutjahr 
Ulf Olsson 
Vadim Polyakov 
Vasnani 
Vaughan Roberts   
Vernon L. Chi 
Vic Aitken  
Vic Pestone 
Vijaykumar M. Hanagandi  
Vittal V. Prabhu 
[email protected]
Walter Renes  
Walter Santarelli 
Wei Ren 
William Hawkins  
William Reiken 
[email protected]
Y.C.Chen 
Yong You  
[email protected]
[email protected]
e-Floyd B. Hanson 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
jphilip%[email protected]
[email protected] 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
m0039%[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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[email protected]
[email protected]
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[email protected]

NO votes received:

Brad Wallet 
Carl Rigney 
David Marshall 
Ed McGuire 
Gerry Roston 
Jan Maciejowski  
Murray Nesbitt 
Peter J. Boulay  
Richard H. Miller 
Richard Kulawiec 
Sven Heinicke 
Wayne Smith 

There will now be a 5 day waiting period which time you will have a
chance to correct any errors in the list of voters received. Errors
should be reported to [email protected]

If, after the waiting period, there were no serious objections that
might invalidate the vote, the news.announce.newgroups moderator will
send out the sci.engr.control message.

Thanks for your interest and taking the trouble to vote.
I look forward to the discussions to come.

Chris Jobling ([email protected])

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