From [email protected] Wed Jul 1 16:34:17 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2480 news.groups:53567 sci.engr:3531 sci.aeronautics:4280 sci.comp-aided:127 sci.electronics:36570 sci.engr.chem:644 sci.math.num-analysis:4969 sci.math.symbolic:4835 sci.misc:6982 Path: uunet!uunet!bounce-back From: Chris JoblingNewsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.aeronautics,sci.comp-aided,sci.electronics,sci.engr.chem,sci.math.num-analysis,sci.math.symbolic,sci.misc Subject: RFD: sci.engr.control Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 Jul 1992 15:45:34 -0400 Organization: University College, Swansea, Singleton Park, Swansea SA2 8PP, UK Lines: 56 Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.uu.net Control engineering is a major area of research and application that receives little coverage in USENET. Part of the reason may be that the subject is cross disciplinary and so people with problems or views maybe direct their discussions to other specialist groups. However, from running an electronic newsletter on control engineering matters, I know that there are numerous 'network literate' control engineers who might benefit from a forum of their own. Therefore I am calling for a request for discussion on the foundation of a new Newsgroup with the proposed name sci.engr.control. Here for discussion is a draft charter sci.engr.control ================ This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any subject related to the practice or theory of control engineering. Topics to discuss can vary as far as your imagination stretches within the realms of control engineering and the technology that affects it. The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be o data definitions for control systems design packages o user interfaces for control systems design packages o system modelling languages o simulation packages o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control o the application of new computer science techniques in control systems design and implementation o commercial packages o new theories o applications of control o social and environmental impact of control o control systems education One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based tools. Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by industry. A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of ideas that other users of computers have known for some time. -- Chris Jobling, Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering, University College, Swansea, Singleton Park, Swansea SA2 8PP, UK email: JANET: [email protected] Internet eechris%[email protected] From [email protected] Sat Aug 1 01:29:18 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2588 news.groups:54908 sci.engr:3687 sci.aeronautics:4462 sci.comp-aided:153 sci.electronics:38108 sci.engr.chem:679 sci.math.num-analysis:5218 sci.math.symbolic:5087 sci.misc:7105 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.aeronautics,sci.comp-aided,sci.electronics,sci.engr.chem,sci.math.num-analysis,sci.math.symbolic,sci.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Chris Jobling) Subject: CFV: sci.engr.control Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: swansea.ac.uk Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1992 05:06:04 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 100 This is the first call for votes for an unmoderated group for discussion of topics related to the theory and practice of control engineering. The request for discussion (RFD) was published about one month ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's creation was generally positive. It's now time to put it to a vote. NAME: sci.engr.control STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and control engineering. The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be o data definitions for control systems design packages o user interfaces for control systems design packages o system modelling languages o simulation packages o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control o the application of new computer science techniques in control systems design and implementation o commercial control systems design and analysis packages o new theories o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, transport, manufacturing, ...) o real-time software o social and environmental impact of control systems o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...) o control systems education * One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based tools. * Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by industry. * A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.` VOTING PROCEDURE: Send votes to: [email protected] Preferably your message should include one of the following lines in the body of the text: I vote YES for sci.engr.control I vote NO for sci.engr.control We will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote is made clear and unambiguous. If we receive more than one vote from the same account; o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, We will count the votes as one vote. We will send email informing the voter that their vote is only being counted once. o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, We will throw out both votes. I will send email informing the voter that their vote is being discounted in this case. The voting period ends at 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) on Monday, Aug 31, 1992. In order for your vote to be counted we must receive it before then. COMMENTS: The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. We will post a mass acknowledgement of votes received and further calls for votes at approximately weekly intervals. Note, Votes are being counted by my friend and colleague Roumen Antonov. Please send your votes to him not to me. I am going on vacation and so any votes that are sent to me will not be seen until September, after the vote concludes. Chris From [email protected] Thu Aug 13 00:59:42 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2624 news.groups:55422 sci.engr:3724 sci.aeronautics:4523 sci.comp-aided:156 sci.electronics:38667 sci.engr.chem:698 sci.math.num-analysis:5313 sci.math.symbolic:5147 sci.misc:7157 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.aeronautics,sci.comp-aided,sci.electronics,sci.engr.chem,sci.math.num-analysis,sci.math.symbolic,sci.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Roumen Antonov) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.engr.control Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] (r b antonov) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:42:30 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 328 This is the second call for votes for an unmoderated group for discussion of topics related to the theory and practice of control engineering. The request for discussion (RFD) was published about one month ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's creation was generally positive. It's now time to put it to a vote. NAME: sci.engr.control STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and control engineering. The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be o data definitions for control systems design packages o user interfaces for control systems design packages o system modelling languages o simulation packages o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control o the application of new computer science techniques in control systems design and implementation o commercial control systems design and analysis packages o new theories o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, transport, manufacturing, ...) o real-time software o social and environmental impact of control systems o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...) o control systems education * One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based tools. * Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by industry. * A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.` VOTING PROCEDURE: Send votes to me: [email protected] Preferably your message should include one of the following lines in the body of the text: I vote YES for sci.engr.control I vote NO for sci.engr.control We will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote is made clear and unambiguous. If we receive more than one vote from the same account; o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, We will count the votes as one vote. We will send email informing the voter that their vote is only being counted once. o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, We will throw out both votes. I will send email informing the voter that their vote is being discounted in this case. The voting period ends at 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) on Monday, Aug 31, 1992. In order for your vote to be counted we must receive it before then. COMMENTS: The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. We will post a mass acknowledgement of votes received and further calls for votes at approximately weekly intervals. -------------------------------------------------------------------- To date I have received votes from 216 people. I tried to acknowledge the receipt of each vote. However some of my replies were returned to me by the mailer. If you have sent me your vote but haven't heard from me please check whether your name is in the list below. If not, please drop me a message. Thank you! Roumen -------------------------------------------------------------------- At 2 p.m.(GMT) on 12 August I have received votes from: (in alphabetical order) -------------------------------------------------------------------- A M. Vann Ahmed Zaki Alan J. Laub Alec Stothert Alex Dommasch Alex Stankovic Allan Longley Ananda Kishore Andre Tits Andrew Paice Armand Brucato Art Krener Austin Spang [email protected] Banavar Sridhar Barry Haynes Bernard Adrian Frankpitt Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee Bjorn Lindberg Bjorn Wittenmark Blessed Ballesteros Bo G|ransson Brad Wallet Bradley Dickinson Brent R. Young Brian B. Young Bruce Jackson C Y Wang [email protected] COLLIN MCCULLEY Carl Rigney Charles Francois Charles Jacob Cohen Chin E. Lin Ching-Long Wu Chris Jobling Christer Hansson Christopher B. Lynch Christopher Mullins Chuck Eubank Coman B T D_SIMON [email protected] Daniel Abramovitch Daniel Larsson David Brumbley David Jenkins David Marshall Dean Redelinghuys Diane Apgar Don DeVoe Donald Russell Dorota Temple Ed McGuire Edward Scott Meadows [email protected] Fong Kin Fui Fred R. Beck Geoff Allen Gerry Roston Goran Hagg Graham Pye Grant Grobbelaar Hans-Peter Graenicher Hassan Saleh Huub Bakker Ian Harvey Ian R. Searle Ian Richard Petersen Ike Stoddard [email protected] James Dimos Dimarogonas Jamie Burnside Javier C. Caballero Jeff Joslin Jeff deRienzo Jeffrey C. Kantor Jeremy Ginger Jerzy Moscinski Jinghong CHEN Joel C. MacMurray Johan Pensar RT John Duffie John Edmunds John Harkin John King John P. Fletcher John P. Havener John Phillips John R. Dooley John W. Eaton John Watkins John van der Hoek K A Edge K.-C. Wen Ken Cooke Ken Hunt Kenneth A. Loparo Kenneth Holmstr|m Kent Schnaith Kim DeVaughn Kim LAW Knut Gundersen Kristinn Kristinsson Kwang-Lay Chen L.Y.E.Cheung Lawrence Robinson Lih-Chyun S Shu Looi Kwok Onn Lou Russo M. Stote MCMURRAY,GARY V Magnus Rahm Magnus Rimvall Malcolm Good Mandel, Jeff E Mark E. Kotanchek Mark Takacs [email protected] Martin Czigler Martin Rickli Mats Andersson Mats Molander Matt Fryer Matt Wette Meenan Vishnu Mehmet M. Kayaalp Micael Karlberg Michael C. Grant Michael Corvin Michael Usher Mike Branicky Mike Caldwell Min Chen N.Sundararajan Nasser Abbasi Netter Thomas Ole Ravn Per Erik Mode'n Peter J Turner Peter J. Boulay Peter Jansen Phil Howard Philip Miller Pino Porciello Pranob Banerjee Prasad Padmanabhan R. Jayakrishnan R.Chaplin RAI Ranjan [email protected] RG CAMERON Ravi Gopinath Ravi Rajamani Ravichandran (Sunmoon) Reece Pollack Richard H. Miller Richard Kulawiec Richard Yee Rob Sherwood Rob Spence Rob Stengel Robert White Roger Germundsson Roger S Powell Ron Hatcher Roumen Antonov Russell Jones Ryou Kondo SDEVARA1%[email protected] STEVE KAHNE Sascha Wildner Scott Morgan Sheena MacKenzie Sian Hope Siva Prasad Sridhar Venkataraman Steve Watt Syed Khaleel Ahmed T Crummey T Fitzpatrick [email protected] Taki Milionis Teng-Tiow TAY Tom Dickens Tom Meadowcroft Tomas McKelvey Tony Barr Torbj|rn Andersson Trevor Jackson Ulf Olsson Vasnani Vaughan Roberts [email protected] Walter Santarelli Wei Ren [email protected] e-Floyd B. Hanson [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Jan Maciejowski) jphilip%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] m0039%[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Thanks to all who responded! From [email protected] Thu Aug 27 01:15:26 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2652 news.groups:55822 sci.engr:3753 sci.aeronautics:4574 sci.comp-aided:157 sci.electronics:39263 sci.engr.chem:723 sci.math.num-analysis:5417 sci.math.symbolic:5226 sci.misc:7194 comp.software-eng:10441 comp.theory.dynamic-sys:991 comp.theory.self-org-sys:342 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.engr,sci.aeronautics,sci.comp-aided,sci.electronics,sci.engr.chem,sci.math.num-analysis,sci.math.symbolic,sci.misc,comp.software-eng,comp.theory.dynamic-sys,comp.theory.self-org-sys Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Roumen Antonov) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: sci.engr.control Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Keywords: new newsgroup, control, dynamic systems, CACSD, computer-aided engineering Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] (r b antonov) Organization: University College of Swansea, UK Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:57:32 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 461 This is the third, final call for votes for an unmoderated group for discussion of topics related to the theory and practice of control engineering. The request for discussion (RFD) was published about two months ago, and the discussion surrounding the group's creation was generally positive. The call for votes (CFV) was initially posted about 20 days ago and many people responded (the acknowledgement is later in this posting). Here is the proposal for the new newsgroup: ------------------------------------------------------- NAME: sci.engr.control STATUS: unmoderated CHARTER: This forum aims to encourage discussion and free exchange of ideas amongst practicing control engineers, researchers and students on any subject related to the practice or theory of control systems and control engineering. The group aims to cover any subject related to control engineering including theory, research, and practice but particularly the use and future development of computer-based applications for the analysis, design, simulation and implementation of control systems. Examples of suitable topics would be o data definitions for control systems design packages o user interfaces for control systems design packages o system modelling languages o simulation packages o environments for the integration of CAD tools for control o the application of new computer science techniques in control systems design and implementation o commercial control systems design and analysis packages o new theories o applications of control (e.g. process industries, aerospace, transport, manufacturing, ...) o real-time software o social and environmental impact of control systems o none engineering applications (e.g. economics, social, ...) o control systems education * One aim is to stimulate the exchange of ideas about what software systems should be devloped to support the analysis, design and implementation of control systems with a longer term-aim of the development of guidelines or examples of good practice that will eventually bring freedom to users and developers of computer-based tools. * Another aim is to provide timely notice of new academic ideas and control methods and to encourage the take-up of advanced control by industry. * A further implicit aim is to try to break down the communication barriers that traditionally exist in the control community and to introduce them to the joys of the Internet, thereby widening their horizons and opening their eyes to the benefits of the free exchange of ideas that other users of computers have known for some time.` VOTING PROCEDURE: Send ALL votes to me: [email protected] Preferably your message should include one of the following lines in the body of the text: I vote YES for sci.engr.control I vote NO for sci.engr.control We will be flexible in accepting other wording providing your vote is made clear and unambiguous. If we receive more than one vote from the same account; o If the votes are for the same side of the issue, We will count the votes as one vote. We will send email informing the voter that their vote is only being counted once. o If the votes are for opposite sides of the issue, We will throw out both votes. I will send email informing the voter that their vote is being discounted in this case. The voting period ends at 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) on Monday, Aug 31, 1992. In order for your vote to be counted we must receive it before then. COMMENTS: The guidelines for successful creation of a new newsgroup require that the vote taker receive 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and that the YES votes be at least 2/3 of all valid votes cast. ********************************************************* * IMPORTANT!!! * * ************** * * If you want to cast your vote, please make sure that * * I receive your message before 00:00 BST (01:00 GMT) * * on Monday, Aug 31, 1992! * * (Allow 28 days for delivery ;-) ) * ********************************************************* ===================================================================== VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT To date I have received votes from 333 people. I tried to acknowledge the receipt of each vote. However some of my replies were returned to me by the mailer. If you have sent your vote but haven't heard from me please check whether your name is in the list below. If not, please drop me a message. Thank you! Roumen -------------------------------------------------------------------- Until 12 p.m.(GMT) on 25 August I have received votes from: (in alphabetical order) -------------------------------------------------------------------- A M. Vann Ahmed Zaki Alan J. Laub Alec Stothert Alex Dommasch Alex Stankovic Allan Longley Anand Praturi Ananda Kishore Andre Tits Andrew Mullhaupt Andrew Paice Ann Berner Appa Madiwale Armand Brucato Art Krener Ashok Iyer Ashok Machcha Austin Spang [email protected] Banavar Sridhar Barry Haynes Bernard Adrian Frankpitt Bibhuti Bhusan Banerjee Bill Moore Bjorn Lindberg Bjorn Wittenmark Blessed Ballesteros Bo G|ransson Bob Antia Brad Wallet Bradley Dickinson Brent R. Young Brian B. Young Brian Kemper Bruce Jackson C Y Wang [email protected] COLLIN MCCULLEY Calvin Y. Fu Cameron Laird Carl Rigney Charles Francois Charles Jacob Cohen Chin E. Lin Ching-Long Wu Chris Jobling Christer Hansson Christopher B. Lynch Christopher Mullins Chuck Eubank Coman B T DOUGLAS COFFMAN D_SIMON Dan Kerl [email protected] Daniel Abramovitch Daniel Larsson Daniel Offutt David A. Nelson David Brumbley David Jenkins David L. Hanson David Marshall