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Subject: CFD:  comp.os.msdos.dv
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Since I haven't heard anything about the previous CFD and never saw a
followup CFV for a desqview group, I'd like to announce a call for
discussion over a desqview group.

Basically, this group should be able to discuss the Desqview program and
user problems using Desqview, or additional programs that help desqview,
namely QEMM and QRAM.  Currently, questions about problems with Desqview,
QEMM, and QRAM are spread accross a number of different news groups,
ranging from groups and groups, to some other
groups like comp.protocols groups.  A central newsgroup to discuss problems
using either the DV, QEMM, or QRAM programs and upcoming information about
new releases such as Desqview/X would help users a lot.

This group should be unmoderated.

A few questions that should be answered before a call to votes:

a) whether such a group should be created.
b) what the group should really be called.
c) if the charter should be limited even more.

A) Should this group be created?

Considering the number of messages that I've seen about QEMM problems or
help with getting some program to work under desqview, a group like this
should exist.  In addition, there's some interest in the upcoming
release of Desqview/X and I'm sure many people would like to know more
about the program and hear from people who've gotten it to work.  These
kinds of discussions would benefit from a central newsgroup to post to.

B) What should the group be called?
C) What should the scope of the group be?

I'm partial to comp.os.msdos.dv, although it can probably fall under
a couple other names depending on the scope of the group.

We could call it or something similar and limit the
topics to the Desqview program and Desqview386 (DV+QEMM) or DV+QRAM.
A spin off group might be created, to talk about
Desqview/X.  comp.os.msdos.dv seems like a good name if people needed
help with specific problems that aren't limited strictly to the
desqview program (maybe comp.os.msdos.qd, but I don't like the idea of
attaching a commercial company (Quarterdeck) to a newsgroup name).
The choice of names would in some ways, limit the scope of the discussion
in the group.

any thoughts? (followups to news.groups)

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From [email protected] Wed Apr  5 19:27:43 1995
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This is a call for votes on the creations of the group:


This will be an unmoderate group dedicated to discussion of DesqView product
and related products, such as QEMM and QRAM memory managers.  Topics such as
how to get such and such a program to work under desqview, the new version
of desqview coming out called DesqView/X, or how to get QEMM or QRAM to behave
properly are just some of the areas this group will cover.

The voting will start midnight CST on Monday, March 25, 1991 and
continue through 23:59 CST on Thursday, April 25, 1991.  No votes will
be accepted outside this period.

All votes for the creation of this newsgroup as named and defined should mail
your votes to:

	[email protected]

while all votes against should be mailed to:

	[email protected]

Only votes emailed to these addresses will be accepted.  Please place the
following in the subject line to confirm your vote:

	comp.os.msdos.desqview: YES vote
	comp.os.msdos.desqview: NO vote

Unlike the old Chicago saying, "vote early, vote often", you only get one

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 16:16:19 1995
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Subject: RESULT:  comp.os.msdos.desqview passes 219: 30
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comp.os.msdos.desqview group passed 219 YES votes to 30 NO votes.  Several
votes were disqualified (all YES votes) due to a) not sending to the proper
address, b) looked like a bounced mail message, or c) came in too late.
Two YES votes were counted (listed at the end of the YES acks) and could be
disqualified if they are really the same person.  This shouldn't really matter
since there are more than enough YES votes over NO votes to create the

comp.os.msdos.desqview will be an unmoderated group devoted to the Quarterdeck
product DesqView and related products (such as QEMM and QRAM, two memory
managers used frequently with DesqView).  Topics of discussion can range
>from how to fine tune desqview for such and such a product and getting
the memory managers to work correctly, to discussions about upcoming updates
such as the long awaited DesqView/X product.

Voting started midnight CST March 25, 1991 and continued until midnight
CDT April 25, 1991.

the following people have voted YES:
"C. Carlson" 
"Carl M. Kadie" 
"Chris Webster" 
"James D. Burnell, WVU Student" 
"Jim - MLO5-2/A12 - node MAST::" 
"Michael K. Carmel" 
"Scott A. Laird" 
6600prao%[email protected] (Parik Rao)

A4422DAB%[email protected]
Alan McAdoo 
alberta!agt!agt-gw!jboryne (Jim Borynec)
[email protected] (Jose Alberto Fernadez R.)
Allan Poindexter 
[email protected] (Aahzmandius)
[email protected] (Gregory K. Ramsey)
[email protected] (Alan Collard)
Andy Newcomb 
[email protected] (Andrew Rossmann)
[email protected] (Shannon D. Appel)
[email protected] (Erwin Eder)
aversa%[email protected]
[email protected] (arthur rubin)
BAMcleod%[email protected]
[email protected] (Ross Bannerman - infotech)
BCHS1B%[email protected]
Billy Yow 283-4009 
Blair Capes 
Bob Sloane 
bodoh%[email protected]
[email protected] (Bryan L. Allen)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Luc Bussieres)
[email protected] (Kenny Adams)
[email protected]
[email protected] (The Scarlet Pimpernel)
[email protected] (Brett Wuth)
[email protected] (ccdps)
Charlie Kestner 
Christopher Bryden 
[email protected]
CLAUDE%[email protected]
Colin Perrott 
[email protected] (Chip Salzenberg)
[email protected] (Ron Craig)
CSP1DWD%[email protected]
CZTF%[email protected]
[email protected]
Darren Reiniger 
[email protected] (David Baer)
David Boyer 
David Neal Miller 
DAVID%[email protected]
[email protected] (David Dyck)
[email protected] (D. Curtis Deno)
dean%[email protected]
[email protected] (David Deitch)
[email protected] (Derek Foster)
Don Hosek 
[email protected] (Duane L. Rezac)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Iain O'Cain/10000)
[email protected] (Chris Faylor)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Forrest Gehrke)
FILCE%[email protected]
[email protected] (Flint G Waters)
[email protected] (Josep M. Fontana)
[email protected] (Jon Forrest)
[email protected]
[email protected] 
Gary Brainin 
[email protected] (Gary Hagensen)
[email protected] (Georg Feil)
GILF%[email protected]
GJOEN_G%[email protected]
Glenn Forbes Larratt 
[email protected]
Gregg Kishida 
GREVE%[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ralph Sims)
[email protected] (Harold Pritchett)
[email protected] (Klaus Hartnegg)
HARTWD%[email protected]
[email protected] (Harry G. Varnis)
IACWSW%[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael N Johnston)
[email protected] (Igor V. Semenyuk)
[email protected] (Syed Mohammad Irfan Ashraf)
James Drew Paterson 
james f clark 
James Hammond 
James Mehl 
[email protected] (James Jones)
[email protected] (Claude Jasmin)
[email protected]
Jay Maynard 
[email protected]
Jeff Sicherman 
[email protected] (Jerry Gardner)
Jim Celoni 
Jim Golden 
Jim Stoner 
jlawson%[email protected] (Jim A Lawson)
[email protected] (Jeff Miller)
John Valentich 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Dugal James P.)
[email protected] (John P. Nelson)
[email protected] (Jim V. Potter)
[email protected] (Jeff White)
[email protected] (Steve Kelley)
[email protected] (Stephen P Kendall)
Kevin Crocker 
Kevin Jameson 
Kevin Martin 
[email protected] (Kirk Fitzgerald)
Klaus Ruff 
[email protected] (Ken McVay)
Kresten Krab Thorup 
Kurt Ernulf 
[email protected] (Karl Buck)
[email protected] (Larry Enos x5572)
[email protected] (Lee F. Kolakowski)
[email protected] (L. Jack Wilson)
[email protected] (Rob Marchand)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Lloyd W. Massengill)
[email protected] (Mark Johns)
MARRIN%[email protected]
[email protected] (Alex Martelli)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mark David Shattuck)
[email protected] (Burt Juda)
[email protected] (Mark Harris)
Michael Barton 
Michael Golan 
Michael J Flory 
Michael J Harlow 
Mike Foreman 
mindlink!Jono_Moore (Jono Moore)
[email protected]
Morris.Orzech%[email protected]
[email protected] (Stephanie Morgenstern)
[email protected] (Mark S. Basel)
[email protected] (Matthias Theil)
Nenad Ciric 
neuman%[email protected]
noelroy%[email protected]
[email protected] (Ofer Lapid 4X6OJ)
OPDOC%[email protected]
Pete Stern 
[email protected] (Bob Peterson)
Phil Kemp 
PIM%[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul F Smith)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Terry Raymond)
[email protected] (Chris Blanchard)
[email protected] (Tom Reid  x4505)
Rene van den Assem 
[email protected]
Rich Wales 
Richard H. Miller 
Robert A. Burrow 
Robert John Knaack 
Robert S larson 
[email protected] (Robert Meunier/Hydro-Quebec/QC/Canada 514-652-8516)
Roger Fulton 
Ron Dippold x5528 C-137 
Ron Efrati 
[email protected] (Jody Foster)
[email protected] (Richard Reiner)
rubble!chris (Chris Nitsopoulos)
[email protected] (Don Rubin)
[email protected] (Damian)
[email protected] (King TING)
[email protected] (Miramar [Eugene Mok])
[email protected] (Mike Arms)
[email protected] (Stephane Boucher (PFE))
SCEF0003%[email protected]
Scott Barnes 
Shaun Case 
Shelby Brumelle 
[email protected] (Sigurgeir Jonsson)
[email protected]  (Michael Burdick)
[email protected] (Steven Lin)
[email protected] (Nick Godbey x4525 Home 268-8538)
STUECKLE%[email protected]
[email protected] (FREDG)
Ted Richards 
[email protected] (Gary Helander)
[email protected] (Albert Barajas)
Terje Th|gersen 
Terry Guswell 
[email protected] (thomas j corsalini)
Tony Nicholson 
Tony Wilson 
[email protected] (George Toye)
[email protected]
[email protected] (joe)
[email protected] (Doug Dougherty)
Vampires R Us 
[email protected] (Keith Petersen)
[email protected] (Larry Wagner)
[email protected] (Any noun can be verbed)
[email protected] (Ken West - Entomology)
WOC Bob Powers 
[email protected]
"Norman Miller" 
[email protected] (norman miller)

the following people voted NO:
"Todd L. Masco" 
[email protected] (Arthur David Olson)
Bill Wisner 
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner)
[email protected] (Cliff Tuel)
[email protected] (David Robinson)
Dick Dunn 
[email protected] (The Insane Hermit)
[email protected] (Rob Hooft)
Ilhamuddin Ahmed 
[email protected] (John F Haugh II)
Jim Roche 
[email protected] (Jay W. Noh)
[email protected] (Kim DeVaughn)
[email protected] (Laura Gillespie)
[email protected] (Audrey C Mack)
MLORD%[email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Palmer)
[email protected] (Wayne Geiser)
[email protected] (JIM PICKERING)
[email protected] (Robert S. Wood)
Robert Craig Harman 
[email protected] (Rich Kulawiec)
[email protected] (Rich Thomson)
[email protected] (Rudolf Kuenzli)
Scott Barman 
Sean Doran 
[email protected] (Ilya Shmulevich)
[email protected] (Murray R Supple)
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