From [email protected] Fri Nov 13 07:59:16 1992
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From: [email protected] (Jim Meehan)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.dylan
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
----------------------

NAME:
	comp.lang.dylan

STATUS:
	unmoderated

CHARTER:
	For discussion of the Dylan language. The newsgroup would be
	gatewayed with the mailing list [email protected].

COMMENTS:
Dylan(TM) is a new object-oriented language, described in a book
published by Apple Computer in April 1992.  Many people have expressed
interest in the language since then, and prototype implementations are
now appearing.

In September, Apple created four public mailing lists for discussions 
of Dylan; the one called info-dylan is used for discussing any and 
all aspects of the language.  In just over a month, the volume of 
mail on info-dylan has reached the point where a newsgroup would 
be more useful than a mailing list; indeed, some subscribers have 
already removed their names from the list because of the high volume.  
Apple will maintain a gateway with the mailing list so that current 
subcribers to info-dylan who lack newsgroup access will still be 
able to participate in the discussions. 

DISCUSSION:
Comments about this proposal should be sent to news.groups.

SCHEDULE:
The discussion period will end December 4, 1992.  If there is a consensus at 
that time, a Call For Votes will be posted.

[[ This is the first time this proposal has been "officially" brought up.
    We're sorry for any confusion a prior call for votes may have
    caused some people.  Jim did not realise his posting had not
    really gone to news.announce.newgroups because the group was
    not marked moderated at his site.  -- tale ]]

From [email protected] Sun Nov 15 15:56:17 1992
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From: [email protected] (Jim Meehan)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.dylan
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
----------------------

NAME:
	comp.lang.dylan

STATUS:
	unmoderated

CHARTER:
	For discussion of the Dylan language. The newsgroup would be
	gatewayed with the mailing list [email protected].

COMMENTS:
Dylan(TM) is a new object-oriented language, described in a book
published by Apple Computer in April 1992.  Many people have expressed
interest in the language since then, and prototype implementations are
now appearing.

In September, Apple created four public mailing lists for discussions 
of Dylan; the one called info-dylan is used for discussing any and 
all aspects of the language.  In just over a month, the volume of 
mail on info-dylan has reached the point where a newsgroup would 
be more useful than a mailing list; indeed, some subscribers have 
already removed their names from the list because of the high volume.  
Apple will maintain a gateway with the mailing list so that current 
subcribers to info-dylan who lack newsgroup access will still be 
able to participate in the discussions. 

DISCUSSION:
Comments about this proposal should be sent to news.groups.

SCHEDULE:
The discussion period will end December 4, 1992.  If there is a consensus at 
that time, a Call For Votes will be posted.

[[ This is the first time this proposal has been "officially" brought up.
    We're sorry for any confusion a prior call for votes may have
    caused some people.  Jim did not realise his posting had not
    really gone to news.announce.newgroups because the group was
    not marked moderated at his site.  -- tale ]]

From [email protected] Tue Nov 17 14:52:49 1992
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From: [email protected] (Jim Meehan)
Subject: RFD: comp.lang.dylan
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
----------------------

NAME:
	comp.lang.dylan

STATUS:
	unmoderated

CHARTER:
	For discussion of the Dylan language. The newsgroup would be
	gatewayed with the mailing list [email protected].

COMMENTS:
Dylan(TM) is a new object-oriented language, described in a book
published by Apple Computer in April 1992.  Many people have expressed
interest in the language since then, and prototype implementations are
now appearing.

In September, Apple created four public mailing lists for discussions 
of Dylan; the one called info-dylan is used for discussing any and 
all aspects of the language.  In just over a month, the volume of 
mail on info-dylan has reached the point where a newsgroup would 
be more useful than a mailing list; indeed, some subscribers have 
already removed their names from the list because of the high volume.  
Apple will maintain a gateway with the mailing list so that current 
subcribers to info-dylan who lack newsgroup access will still be 
able to participate in the discussions. 

DISCUSSION:
Comments about this proposal should be sent to news.groups.

SCHEDULE:
The discussion period will end December 4, 1992.  If there is a consensus at 
that time, a Call For Votes will be posted.

[[ This is the first time this proposal has been "officially" brought up.
    We're sorry for any confusion a prior call for votes may have
    caused some people.  Jim did not realise his posting had not
    really gone to news.announce.newgroups because the group was
    not marked moderated at his site.  -- tale ]]

From [email protected] Fri Dec  4 21:32:28 1992
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Subject: CFV: comp.lang.dylan
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CALL FOR VOTES
--------------

NAME:
	comp.lang.dylan

STATUS:
	unmoderated

CHARTER:
	For discussion of the Dylan language. The newsgroup would be
	gatewayed with the mailing list [email protected].

COMMENTS:
Dylan(TM) is a new object-oriented language, described in a book
published by Apple Computer in April 1992.  Many people have expressed
interest in the language since then, and prototype implementations are
now appearing.

In September, Apple created four public mailing lists for discussions
of Dylan; the one called info-dylan is used for discussing any and all
aspects of the language.  In just over a month, the volume of mail on
info-dylan has reached the point where a newsgroup would be more
useful than a mailing list; indeed, some subscribers have already
removed their names from the list because of the high volume.  Apple
will maintain a gateway with the mailing list so that current
subcribers to info-dylan who lack newsgroup access will still be able
to participate in the discussions.

NOTE:   There was a previous Call For Votes on this newsgroup, but 
        it wasn't valid, and all those votes have been discarded, so 
        even if you voted before, you need to vote again.  

HOW TO VOTE:
	All votes should be mailed to [email protected].

	To vote in favor, use "comp.lang.dylan YES" as the Subject.
	To vote against, use "comp.lang.dylan NO" as the Subject.
	
	(These are only suggestions. I'll actually read the messages.)


SCHEDULE:
	The voting period will end at 23:59 GMT, December 30, 1992.

--Jim

From [email protected] Mon Dec  7 13:22:26 1992
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From: [email protected] (Jim Meehan)
Subject: CFV: comp.lang.dylan
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CALL FOR VOTES
--------------

NAME:
	comp.lang.dylan

STATUS:
	unmoderated

CHARTER:
	For discussion of the Dylan language. The newsgroup would be
	gatewayed with the mailing list [email protected].

COMMENTS:
Dylan(TM) is a new object-oriented language, described in a book
published by Apple Computer in April 1992.  Many people have expressed
interest in the language since then, and prototype implementations are
now appearing.

In September, Apple created four public mailing lists for discussions
of Dylan; the one called info-dylan is used for discussing any and all
aspects of the language.  In just over a month, the volume of mail on
info-dylan has reached the point where a newsgroup would be more
useful than a mailing list; indeed, some subscribers have already
removed their names from the list because of the high volume.  Apple
will maintain a gateway with the mailing list so that current
subcribers to info-dylan who lack newsgroup access will still be able
to participate in the discussions.

NOTE:   There was a previous Call For Votes on this newsgroup, but 
        it wasn't valid, and all those votes have been discarded, so 
        even if you voted before, you need to vote again.  

HOW TO VOTE:
	All votes should be mailed to [email protected].

	To vote in favor, use "comp.lang.dylan YES" as the Subject.
	To vote against, use "comp.lang.dylan NO" as the Subject.
	
	(These are only suggestions. I'll actually read the messages.)


SCHEDULE:
	The voting period will end at 23:59 GMT, December 30, 1992.

--Jim

From [email protected] Wed Jan  6 21:02:50 1993
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Subject: RESULT: comp.lang.dylan passes 349:11
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The final vote on comp.lang.dylan is 349 in favor, 11 opposed.

Opposed:

[email protected] (Andrew Finkenstadt)
[email protected] (Dave Carr)
Charles Shub 
"Eric J. Olson" 
Marc Moorcroft 
[email protected] (Marco Antoniotti)
Mark Verber 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bill Owens)
[email protected] (Murray Nesbitt)
Scott Draves 


In favor:

[email protected]
[email protected] (Tim Dierks, software saboteur)
Alexander Shendi 
[email protected] (Dennis Allison)
[email protected] (Russell G. Almond)
[email protected] (Andrew LM Shalit)
[email protected] (Amit J. Patel)
amy%[email protected] (Anders Myren)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Ashdown)
[email protected] (b77201020)
[email protected] (Stefan Bamberger)
[email protected] (jwahar r. bammi)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bob Congdon)
[email protected]
[email protected]
Bengt Larsson 
bernhard pfahringer 
[email protected] (George Beshers)
[email protected] (Brian Harvey)
[email protected] (Robert Hutchison)
Bill Campbell 
[email protected] (Bill St. Clair)
[email protected] (Bill Martin)
[email protected] (Bill Walburg)
B.J.  07-Dec-1992 0951 
[email protected] (Brent McPherson)
Bob Jackson 
[email protected] (Bob McQueer)
[email protected] (Bob Erickson)
[email protected] (Tom Bonura)
[email protected] (Ed Hill)
[email protected] (Bart Botma)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Brad Yearwood)
[email protected] (Brent W. Benson)
Brian Hayes - Sigma Xi 
[email protected] (Michel briand)
[email protected] (edward g. briggs)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Brian Rowe)
[email protected] (Robert E. Brown)
[email protected] (Paul DuBois)
"Carl L. Gay" 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Charles Allen)
[email protected] (Jerome Chailloux)
[email protected] (Ping Chou)
"Chris Haynes" 
Christian Queinnec 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Les Clowney)
[email protected]  (Honest Icabod Slipp)
[email protected] (Andrei Cogan)
[email protected]
[email protected] (M. Creon Levit)
"Cup of coffee and slice of cherry pie, please  07-Dec-1992 1527" 
Curt Larock 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Martin Bergendahl)
[email protected] (David A Keldsen)
[email protected] (Dan Bornstein)
"Danny Brewer" 
[email protected] (Daryl Spitzer)
Dave Love 
David Connelly 
David E. Goggin 
David Morley 
[email protected] (Jim Davis)
[email protected] (Donald Baker)
"D.Brightly" 
[email protected] (David Donald Jensen)
[email protected] (ddw for rubis at horizon)
[email protected] (Ralph Deal)
DELEBECQ%[email protected]
[email protected] (Larry Weeks)
[email protected] (Immo Diener NAM)
Dipankar Gupta 
[email protected] (Bruce Cottman)
[email protected] (David Goodine)
Don Hopkins 
[email protected]
"Donna M. Paino" 
[email protected] (Dorai Sitaram)
Doug Cutting 
[email protected] (Scot Dyer)
[email protected]
[email protected]
"Ed Satterthwaite" 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
"Eric A. Anderson" 
Eric Tiffany 
Erik Ruf 
Evan James Torrie 
[email protected] (Steve Ford)
Fredric M White 
Fritz Knabe 
[email protected] (Frank R Smith)
[email protected] (Gary Lang)
[email protected] (Silver)
George J. Carrette 
[email protected] (Glenn Golden)
Gilbert Syswerda 
Gilberte Houbart 
Giuseppe Attardi 
[email protected] (Greg Weston)
Gordie Freedman 
Graham Spencer (Zamfir) 
Greg Bennett 
Greg Parkinson 
[email protected] (Gregory T Sullivan)
[email protected] (Chris Stecker)
[email protected] (SADUN, ERICA LIEBMAN)
[email protected] (Rob Gue)
[email protected] (Gregory Gulik)
[email protected] (Gunnar Z.)
[email protected] (Michial Gunter)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Greg Gritton)
[email protected] (Gordon Waddell)
[email protected]
Hardy  
"Harold Ancell" 
Hartmut Kocher 
"Haydn Huntley" 
[email protected]
Heinz Knutzen 
[email protected] (Mark Herdeg)
[email protected] (Dean Herington)
[email protected]
Hubertus Hohl 
[email protected]
Jaakko Hollmen 
[email protected] (jacobs private)
[email protected]
"James A. Cadwell" 
James J Dempsey 
[email protected] (John Black)
[email protected] (Brad Might)
[email protected]
[email protected] (John N. Alegre)
[email protected] (John R. Dougan)
Jeff Schultz 
[email protected] (Jeff Holcomb)
[email protected] (Jeff Barr)

[email protected] (Dr. John E. Howland)
Jim Little 
Jim Mayer 
Jim Tubman 
[email protected]
Joacim Halen 
John A. Dorsey 
John Connett 
"John Conti" 
"JOHN W.F. MCCLAIN, DTN 235-8239" 
"Jon." Hallett 
[email protected] (Jonathan Bachrach)
[email protected] (Wong Joo Fung)
[email protected] (Larry M. Jordan)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rainer Joswig)
Juergen Christoffel 
[email protected] (Giampaolo Lauzzana)
[email protected] (John Vogel)
[email protected]
Kaveh Kardan 
Keiji Kanazawa 
Kenneth Knight 

"Kevin P. Tyson" 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Kevin W. Rudd)
Kirk Blackburn 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mark A. Kolb)
[email protected] (Kennis Koldewyn)
[email protected] (Kent Sandvik )
L L Campbell 
[email protected] (mathieu Lafourcade)
Larry Luther 
Larry Poleshuck 
Lee Boynton 
[email protected] (lee daniels)
[email protected] (Leon Gordon)
lgm@cbnewsc (lawrence.g.mayka)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Charlie Lindahl)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Sandra Loosemore)
[email protected] (Ted Lemon)
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden)
[email protected] (Larry W. Virden)
Lyle Jenkins 
[email protected] (Lyman S. Taylor)
[email protected]
"Mario O. Bourgoin" 
Mario Wolczko 
"Mark Friedman" 
Mark Reinhold 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mark Kriegsman)
[email protected] (Brent Marykuca)
[email protected] (Mats Henricson)
[email protected] (Mats Svensson)
Matthias Urlichs 
[email protected] (Matt Wright)
[email protected] (Mark Atwood)
[email protected] (Michael C. Grant)
meehan
[email protected] (Kenneth J. Meltsner)
Michael Henning 
Michael Jeffrey Garland 
Michael Maciag 
(Michael Oltz) 
Michael Pazzani 
Michael Quinn 
Mike D Smith 
mikel evins 
Miles Bader 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Martin Kneissl)
[email protected] (Dave Rosser Jr.)
[email protected] (Daijiro Mori)
[email protected]
[email protected] (David Muir Sharnoff)
[email protected] (Christian Weisgerber)
Neil Berrington 
[email protected] (David Neves)
[email protected] (Nigel Williams)
Nobukazu Toge 
[email protected] (Jay A. Carlson)
[email protected] (Michael Kirschner)
[email protected] (ozymandias G desiderata)
[email protected] (Kurt Olender)
Olly Stephens 
Ora Lassila 
[email protected] (Peter Benson)
paolo petta 
[email protected] (Parag Patel)
[email protected] (Paul Alan Reilly)
[email protected] (Patrick Logan)
"Patrick C. Beard" 
Patrick Hill 
Paul Dourish 
[email protected]
Pekka Yrjola 
[email protected]
"Peter J. Park" 
[email protected] (Peter Ho)
[email protected]  (Na Choon Piaw)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paul Big-Ears Menon)
[email protected]
Preston L. Bannister 
[email protected] (Pete Samson)
[email protected]
R J Williams 
R. Matthew Emerson 
[email protected] (R. A. Buchanan)
[email protected] (Eric Raible)
"Raja Sooriamurthi" 
"Ralph Jackson" 
Randy Sargent 
Raphael Manfredi 
Ravi Palepu 
Richard Muise 
Rick Stevenson 
[email protected]
"Robert Fraser, EDUCATION 356-7405" 
"Robert M. Keller" 
Robert Mah 
Robert Marti 
[email protected] (Robert Krajewski)
ROBERTO AVANZI 338188/SM 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rob Reiss)
Roger Rosner 
"Ron Beloin" 
[email protected] (Bob Rusk)
[email protected] (Richard W. Tucker)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Sashank Varma)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Steve Beisner)
[email protected] (Steve Dobbs)
Seppo T|rm{ 
[email protected] (Steve Hansen)
[email protected] (Stan Shebs)
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Steve Wight)
[email protected] (Steve Wight)
[email protected] (Stephen C. Gilardi)
[email protected] (Simon Townsend)
[email protected] (Paul Steckler)
[email protected] (Craig Steele)
Stefek Zaba 
[email protected] (Sten Aksel Puntervold)
Stephen J Bevan 
Steve Strassmann 
Steven  Thiedke -- Intelligent Visual Computing Inc 
Steven Parkes 
[email protected] (Curt Stevens)
"Stewart M. Clamen" 
[email protected] (Paul Stodghill)
[email protected] (Dan Stromberg)
"Sujal H. Badami" 
Sunil Gupta 
[email protected]
(The Crossjammer) 
[email protected]
Todd Jonker 
"Todd Medlin" 
Tom Gordon 
Tomi Kankaanp{{ 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tony Kwong)
[email protected] (Mark Torrance)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ted "Theodore" W. Leung)
Ulrich Hoffmann 
[email protected] (Van A. Boughner)
Vince Manis 
[email protected] (David Wald)
[email protected] (John Werner)
[email protected] (John Whitley)
whitney%[email protected] (Roger Whitney)
[email protected] (Michael Wilk)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Will Fitzgerald)
[email protected] (Mike Woodard)
[email protected] (Andrew Wright)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Chris Wysocki)
[email protected] (Joshua Yeidel)
[email protected] (David Yost)
Young-il Choo 
[email protected]	(John Lewis)
[email protected] (Steven L. Farmer)