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                             REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (1)

This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning the teaching of  English to speakers of other languages.
It will allow participants to exchangeinformation on  ESL/EFL
pedagogy, classroom practices and techniques, and the concerns of
those working in the profession.

Group Name:

   misc.education.esl-efl


Status:

   Unmoderated

Background:

>From its inception in the late 1800's using the grammar translation
method,the teaching of English has evolved into a recognized
discipline.  English is now the most spoken second language and has
replaced French as the lingua franca of the world. Its professional
organization Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages
(TESOL) has approximately 23,000 members, and International
Association of Teachers of English as a Foreign Language (IATEFL),
its European counterpart, has approximately 7,000 members.

Purpose:

The primary goal of this group is to allow participants to exchange
information about ESL/EFL pedagogy, classroom practices and
concerns, second language acquisition, and the general state of the
profession.

 Discussion:

Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the
USENET Newsgroup  news.groups .  If the reader is not able to do so,
comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address below.

Voting:

If no problems arise, voting will start one month from the posting
date of this RFD.

Proposer:

          [email protected]
          Julie Falsetti
          Hunter College
          City University of New York
          New York, NY

From [email protected] Fri Jun 11 15:53:17 1993
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Subject: 2nd RFD: misc.education.language.english
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                             REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (2)

Many USENET members suggested that the original name for the group
was confusing. Thus, the following name change is submitted for
discussion. All else remains unchanged.

This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning the teaching of English to speakers of other languages.  It
will allow participants to exchange information on ESL/EFL pedagogy,
classroom practices and techniques, and the concerns of those working
in the profession.

Group Name:

   FROM: misc.education.ESL-EFL
          to
   NEW NAME: misc.education.language.english


Status:

   Unmoderated

Background:

>From its inception in the late 1800's using the grammar translation
method,the teaching of English has evolved into a recognized
discipline.  English is now the most spoken second language and has
replaced French as the lingua franca of the world. Its professional
organization Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages
(TESOL) has approximately 23,000 members, and International
Association of Teachers of English as a Foreign Language (IATEFL),
its European counterpart, has approximately 7,000 members.

Purpose:

The primary goal of this group is to allow participants to exchange
information about ESL/EFL pedagogy, classroom practices and
concerns, second language acquisition, and the general state of the
profession.

 Discussion:

Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the
USENET Newsgroup  news.groups .  If the reader is not able to do so,
comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address below.

Voting:

If no problems arise, voting will start one month from the posting
date of this RFD.

Proposer:

          [email protected]
          Julie Falsetti
          Hunter College
          City University of New York
          New York, NY

From [email protected] Tue Jul 13 09:24:56 1993
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Subject: CFV: misc.education.language.english
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            Call for Votes: misc.education.language.english
            ===============================================

This is an official call for votes with regard to the proposed creation
of a newsgroup 'misc.education.language.english'. A suggested charter
for this group was first posted on May 27. Because of questions
regarding the name of the group, a 2nd RFD was posted on June 10.
No further objections were raised during the subsequent thirty-
day period. Following are instructions for voting and notice of the
proposed group's charter.

Voting Instructions (IMPORTANT)

-- all votes must be sent by *email* to

            [email protected]

   On no account should votes be posted to any Usenet newsgroup.
   Such votes will be considered invalid.

-- Votes should contain a line in the form

  I vote FOR the group misc.education.language.english

  OR a line in the form

  I vote AGAINST the group misc.education.language.english

  These forms need not be adhered to exactly, but the message should
  contain (in a single line) one of the words FOR, YES, AGAINST, NO
  as desired, along with the name of the group and the word 'vote'.

--- Voting will end on August 9, 12:00 EDT. Votes received after
    that time will not be counted.

___ No individual may vote more than once.

--- The usual Usenet requirements for newsgroup cration hold: at
    least two-thirds of the votes received should be yes/for votes
    and there should be at least 100 more yes/for votes than
    no/against votes.

CHARTER

This is a call for votes on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning the teaching of  English to speakers of other languages.
It will allow participants to exchangeinformation on  ESL/EFL
pedagogy, classroom practices and techniques, and the concerns of
those working in the profession.

Group Name:

    misc.education.language.english

Status:

   Unmoderated

Background:

>From its inception in the late 1800's using the grammar translation
method, the teaching of English has evolved into a recognized
discipline.  English is now the most spoken second language and has
replaced French as the lingua franca of the world. Its professional
organization, Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages
(TESOL), has approximately 23,000 members, and International
Association of Teachers of English as a Foreign Language (IATEFL),
its European counterpart, has approximately 7,000 members.

Purpose:

The primary goal of this group is to allow participants to exchange
information about ESL/EFL pedagogy, classroom practices and
concerns, second language acquisition, and the general state of the
profession.

Proposer:

          [email protected]
          Julie Falsetti
          Hunter College
          City University of New York
          New York, NY

From [email protected] Mon Aug  2 11:31:31 1993
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Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: misc.education.language.english
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This is the 2nd official Call for Votes and Vote acknowledgement
of votes received so far. Vote acknowledgements follow the original
CFV proposal.

            Call for Votes: misc.education.language.english
            ===============================================

This is an official call for votes with regard to the proposed creation
of a newsgroup 'misc.education.language.english'. A suggested charter
for this group was first posted on May 27. Because of questions
regarding the name of the group, a 2nd RFD was posted on June 10.
No further objections were raised during the subsequent thirty-
day period. Following are instructions for voting and notice of the
proposed group's charter.

Voting Instructions (IMPORTANT)

-- all votes must be sent by *email* to

            [email protected]

   On no account should votes be posted to any Usenet newsgroup.
   Such votes will be considered invalid.

-- Votes should contain a line in the form

  I vote FOR the group misc.education.language.english

  OR a line in the form

  I vote AGAINST the group misc.education.language.english

  These forms need not be adhered to exactly, but the message should
  contain (in a single line) one of the words FOR, YES, AGAINST, NO
  as desired, along with the name of the group and the word 'vote'.

--- Voting will end on August 9, 12:00 EDT. Votes received after
    that time will not be counted.

___ No individual may vote more than once.

--- The usual Usenet requirements for newsgroup cration hold: at
    least two-thirds of the votes received should be yes/for votes
    and there should be at least 100 more yes/for votes than
    no/against votes.

CHARTER

This is a call for votes on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning the teaching of  English to speakers of other languages.
It will allow participants to exchangeinformation on  ESL/EFL
pedagogy, classroom practices and techniques, and the concerns of
those working in the profession.

Group Name:

    misc.education.language.english

Status:

   Unmoderated

Background:

>From its inception in the late 1800's using the grammar translation
method, the teaching of English has evolved into a recognized
discipline.  English is now the most spoken second language and has
replaced French as the lingua franca of the world. Its professional
organization, Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages
(TESOL), has approximately 23,000 members, and International
Association of Teachers of English as a Foreign Language (IATEFL),
its European counterpart, has approximately 7,000 members.

Purpose:

The primary goal of this group is to allow participants to exchange
information about ESL/EFL pedagogy, classroom practices and
concerns, second language acquisition, and the general state of the
profession.

Proposer:

          [email protected]
          Julie Falsetti
          Hunter College
          City University of New York
          New York, NY
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                      VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


(Jeffrey D. Angus) [email protected]
"ALI A. AGHBAR" 
"Don Moore"  
"Elka.Todeva" <[email protected]>
"Fred Swartz" 
"John Oliver" 
"Michael J. Quinn" 
"TeresaRoss          " 
Alan Trivett 
Alison Rice 
[email protected]
Bill Nickless 
[email protected] (Bob Christ)
CALIX 
[email protected] (Cynthia Bermudez)
CHARLES SANDY 
[email protected] (charlie fingerhut)
CSH%[email protected]
David Pincus 
David Tillyer 
[email protected]
Doug Payne 
[email protected] (Daniel SAVEY)
[email protected]
ELD[email protected] (Greenberg, Eldad,OSC)
Elizabeth Guthrie 
[email protected] (Mike Engelhardt)
[email protected] (enzyme)
Eric Schweitzer 
ESLSNOKE@VTVM1
Farrukh Hakeem 
Foo Say How 
Georg Schwarz 
George Baltz 
Graham Toal 
Greg Morrow 
[email protected] (Brennan Tennesen Price)
[email protected]
[email protected]
Hardcore Alaskan 
[email protected] (Steve Hayes)
Heikki J Korpinen 
Heltsley April 
[email protected] (sam frajerman)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jim Chaffee)
[email protected]
Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a 
[email protected] (Jim Cheetham)
[email protected]
[email protected] (=Jody Gevins Underwood)
[email protected] (Joe Allen)
John Dumicich 
John G. Lindner 
[email protected] (John Leslie)
[email protected] (Joshua J. Caron)
Joyce Wang 
Judi Tenuta Stein 
[email protected] (Julian Macassey)
Kate Garretson 
Kathleen Schirra 
Kathryn Allahyari 
Kathryn Nikodem 
Kevin Junck 
Lee Levine 
[email protected] (Luciano Mannucci)
Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS 
[email protected] (Alan McCain)
M[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael Feldman)
Michele 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Moises Szponka (UCV))
Murray Nesbitt 
NAKAMATSU%[email protected]
Peter Farrell 
Peter W Lee 
[email protected] (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY)
[email protected] (Daniel S. Rice)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Rita Elaine Silver 
Robin C Vue-Benson-1 
Ron Graham 
Ronald R. Corio 
Ruth Martin 
Ryan Bayne 
[email protected] (ddd)
Shane Hartman 
Shera 
Silvia Quijano Rivadeneyra 
STEPHEN MITCHELL 
[email protected] (Steve McGuire)
Susan Simon 
Systems Coordinator 855-1958 
Takashi Matsunaga 
Thomas Flynn Riedmiller 
[email protected] (Thomas Nixon)
[email protected] (Timothy Stewart)
Tin Tin 
[email protected] (Ted Koppel)
Tomorrow 
[email protected] (Theresa P. Ammirati)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Thomas Robb)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Tim Schmidt)
William Gathergood 
Yamil Sacin 

From [email protected] Wed Aug 11 14:47:43 1993
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From: [email protected] (Julie Falsetti)
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Subject: RESULT: misc.education.language.english passes 143:26
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YES        NO           2/3?         >100?     PASS?
===        ===          ===          =====     =====
143        26           yes           yes       yes

Assuming no objections to the voting procedure, misc.education.language.
english will be created in about a week. The vote acknowledgements
follow. Many thanks to everyone who voted!


YES Votes
=========================================================================


Abner J. Mintz" 
[email protected] (Nigel Allen)
[email protected]
Alan Trivett 
ALI A. AGHBAR" 
Alison Rice 
[email protected]
Andrew Blaner 
audrey" 
[email protected]
CALIX 
[email protected] (Cynthia Bermudez)
CHARLES SANDY 
[email protected] (charlie fingerhut)
Christine Norris - Local 2357 
Clements 
CSH%[email protected]
David Pincus 
[email protected] (Dean Edwards)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Deborah Foreman-Takano)
[email protected]
Don Linder 
Don Moore"  
Doug Payne 
[email protected] (Daniel SAVEY)
[email protected] (Dave E. Goggin)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Dale Eckart)
[email protected]
ELD[email protected] (Greenberg, Eldad,OSC)
Elizabeth Guthrie 
Elka.Todeva" <[email protected]>
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Engelhardt)
[email protected] (enzyme)
Eric Schweitzer 
ESLSNOKE@VTVM1
[email protected]
Farrukh Hakeem 
Foo Say How 
Fred Davidson, DEIL, UIUC" 
Fred Swartz" 
[email protected] (Brennan Tennesen Price)
[email protected]
[email protected]
Hardcore Alaskan 
[email protected] (Steve Hayes)
Heikki J Korpinen 
Heltsley April 
[email protected] (ICP)
[email protected] (ishmael)
[email protected] (sam frajerman)
Jack Cousineau 
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jim Chaffee)
[email protected]
Jean Graham 
Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a 
[email protected] (Jim Cheetham)
[email protected]
[email protected] (=Jody Gevins Underwood)
John Dumicich 
John G. Lindner 
John Oliver" 
[email protected] (Joshua J. Caron)
Joyce Wang 
Juan Parra 
Judi Tenuta Stein 
Julie Falsetti 
[email protected]
Kate Garretson 
Kathleen Schirra 
Kathryn Allahyari 
Kathryn Nikodem 
Kenneth C. Schmidt" 
Kevin Junck 
Kevin Ryan 
Lee Levine 
Loren J. Miller" 
[email protected] (Luciano Mannucci)
LYNNE L. HSU" 
Martha Hsu 
[email protected] (Alan McCain)
M[email protected]
[email protected] (Michael Feldman)
michael 
Michael J. Quinn" 
Michele 
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Moises Szponka (UCV))
[email protected] (Vasudev Murthy)
NAKAMATSU%[email protected]
Nancy Larkin 
Paul Estin 
Peter Farrell 
Peter W Lee 
[email protected] (Patrick G. Xavier)
[email protected] (Steven Rapkin)
[email protected] (Ross Bender)
[email protected]
[email protected] (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY)
[email protected] (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
[email protected] (Daniel S. Rice)
Richard Hewison 
Rita Elaine Silver 
Robin C Vue-Benson-1 
Ron Graham 
Ronald R. Corio 
Rose Wang 
Ruth Martin 
Samuli K{rkk{inen 
[email protected] (ddd)
Sharon Sealy Lang. Education 
Shera 
Silvia Quijano Rivadeneyra 
STEPHEN MITCHELL 
[email protected] (Steve McGuire)
Sun-treader 
Systems Coordinator 855-1958 
Tai.David" 
Takashi Matsunaga 
TeresaRoss          " 
Terry Futaba 
Thomas Flynn Riedmiller 
[email protected] (Thomas Nixon)
[email protected] (Timothy Stewart)
Tin Tin 
Tomorrow 
[email protected] (Theresa P. Ammirati)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Thomas Robb)
tschmid[email protected]
[email protected]
Wendy Allison 
WILHC@CUNYVM
William Gathergood 
[email protected]
Yamil Sacin 
[email protected]

NO Votes
=======================================================================
Jeffrey D. Angus) [email protected]
Bill Nickless 
[email protected] (Bob Christ)
Daniel Zirin" 
David Tillyer 
[email protected] (Ed McGuire)
Georg Schwarz 
George Baltz 
Graham Toal 
Greg Morrow 
[email protected]
Irene A. Juzkiw" 
[email protected] (Joe Allen)
[email protected] (John Leslie)
[email protected] (Julian Macassey)
[email protected]" 
Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS 
Murray Nesbitt 
[email protected] (Naren Bala)
[email protected] (Richard H. Miller)
Ryan Bayne 
Shane Hartman 
[email protected] (Smarasderagd Draco)
Susan Simon 
[email protected] (Ted Koppel)
[email protected] (Rick Wagner)