From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 10:38:57 1993
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From: [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:51:01 PST
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Subject: CALL FOR DISCUSSION: misc.grad-schools
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups
Followup-to: news.groups
Keywords: posted

Proposed new group: misc.grad-schools

Charter:
I propose the establishment of a news group restricted to the dissemination
of information about graduate programs.  Currently there are a number of
relatively expensive (and often ineffective) ways for graduate schools to
distribute information including fliers, Peterson's Guides, professional
society student directories, etc.  The proposed new group would provide
an additional, simple place for students who are looking for graduate
school information.  In addition, for many international students it would
become the best way for obtaining information about universities in other
countries.

I suggest that this should be an unmoderated group, but with a set of rules
that are posted each month.  These rules would be designed to keep the
group as effective as possible as a source of information for prospective
graduate students.  I suggest that there be three conventions or rules:

     1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
	  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
     2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
	  filled in should include:
	  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
	  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
	  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
	  (d) Availability of financial support.
	  (e) Degrees offered.
	  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
	  (g) Deadline for applications.
	  (h) Description of the university and location (150 words max?).
     3. Restrictions on how often each department can post a description
	  to the group.  I suggest that it be restricted to at most once
	  a month.

Initially, I would expect that there would be more Computer Science activity
than for all other disciplines combined.  However, I hope that this would
quickly change.  As a result, I propose using the misc hierarchy, and naming
the group misc.grad-schools.

This is a first CFD for the proposed new group.  I have cross-posted to
some of the larger overseas soc.culture groups, since their readers are
likely to benefit from the proposal, but following the normal USENET
guidelines for group creation, all followups are directed to news.groups,
where discussion should take place.

Denbigh S.
[email protected], [email protected]
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)


From [email protected] Mon Sep 27 10:45:38 1993
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From: [email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
Subject: CFD:  soc.college.grad[.d] (misc.grad-schools)
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Proposed new groups: soc.college.grad soc.college.grad.d
Replaces proposal for misc.grad-schools

Summary of the proposed new groups:
   soc.college.grad   To be used exclusively for periodic announcements,
        in standard form, describing graduate programs.
   soc.college.grad.d  To be used for discussions about graduate schools.

On January 29, 1991, I posted a CFD for a new group, and proposed that it
be named misc.grad-schools.  The basic concept received strong support,
except for disagreements about the proposed name, about whether graduate
school discussions should be included, and about whether or not it should
be moderated.  I'll cover my views on these in the next three paragraphs.
Nobody made any criticisms of the basic concept or of the specific
information that should be included in the standard informational postings.

Group name:  There were a wide variety of comments about the hierarchy
and name that I selected, best summarized by Greg Kuperberg who said:
  >It's a good idea but a bad name.  soc.grad-schools would be a better name,
  >and soc.college.grad would be better still.  "misc" is a curse to the net.
Alternative hierarchies proposed by Greg and others were based on the
existing soc.college and misc.education hierarchies.  Since soc.college
is read by an estimated 35,000 USENET readers, as compared to 14,000 for
misc.education, and is also received by 5% more sites (82% vs. 77%),
I selected the soc.college hierarchy for continued discussion.

Two groups:  I now propose two new groups, soc.college.grad and
soc.college.grad.d, with soc.college.grad restricted to departmental ads
in specified format, and soc.college.grad.d for unrestricted discussions
of graduate schools.  This decision seems to match the majority of the
comments that have been made.

Moderated or unmoderated:  All people making comments have agreed that the
discussion group should be unmoderated.  There is disagreement on whether
or not the main group should be moderated.  My personal opinion is that
groups should only be moderated if the lack of moderation causes problems.
I suggest that soc.college.grad be unmoderated, but with a monthly READ
THIS BEFORE YOU POST posting which explains the differences between the
two groups, and the guidelines for posting to soc.college.grad.  I
volunteer to post the monthly posting, and also to be responsible for
sending out polite e-mail reminders when users badly abuse the guidelines
or policy.  If significant problems arise, then I suggest that we should
reconsider moderation at that time.  Moderated groups have problems with
moderators taking vacations, getting busy, etc., and I hope that we would
be able to control the group without this extra bureaucracy.  Moderated
groups also cause problems for a number of news posting systems
particularly if cross-posting is attempted.  To remove some potential
problems with follow-ups, I've added a rule into the soc.college.grad
charter that followups must be directed to soc.college.grad.d.

Charter for soc.college.grad:
This news group will be restricted to the dissemination of information
about graduate programs.  Currently there are a number of relatively
expensive (and often ineffective) ways for graduate schools to distribute
information including fliers, Peterson's Guides, professional society
student directories, etc.  The proposed new group would provide an
additional, simple place for students who are looking for graduate school
information.  In addition, for many international students it would
become the best way for obtaining information about universities in other
countries.

This will be an unmoderated group, but with a set of rules that are posted
each month.  These rules would be designed to keep the group as effective
as possible as an official source of information for prospective
graduate students.  There will be four conventions or rules:

     1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
	  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
     2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
	  filled in should include:
	  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
	  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
	  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
	  (d) Availability of financial support.
	  (e) Degrees offered.
	  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
	  (g) Deadline for applications.
	  (h) Description of the university and location (150 words max).
     3. No department will be able to post more than once each month.
     4. All postings must specify a followup field of soc.college.grad.d

Charter for soc.college.grad:
An unmoderated group for the discussion of graduate school issues.  Will
also act as the followup group for discussions initiated by announcements
in the misc.college.grad group.

This is a revised CFD for the proposed new groups.  In addition to
soc.college, misc.education, and other similar groups, I have cross-posted
to some of the larger overseas soc.culture groups since their readers are
likely to benefit from the proposal, but following the normal USENET
guidelines for group creation, all followups are directed to news.groups,
where discussion should take place.

Denbigh S.
[email protected], [email protected]
406-994-4780 (work), 406-586-7614 (home)

From [email protected] Wed Apr  5 19:17:46 1995
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Path: rpi!tale
From: [email protected] (Brian Yamauchi)
Subject: RFD:  soc.college.grad
Followup-To: news.groups
Sender: [email protected]
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Date: 14 Mar 91 04:01:28 GMT
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Group Name:	soc.college.grad
Group Type:	Unmoderated

Group Charter:

soc.college.grad would be an unmoderated newsgroup for general
discussion of issues related to graduate school and graduate student
life.  Such subjects could include theses, research fields, advisors,
committees, funding sources, research careers, teaching careers, the
academic/research/social environment of different departments, and any
other topic relating to any aspect of graduate life.

These issues are sufficiently different from those concerning
undergraduate college students that a separate newsgroup would be a
useful addition to the soc.college.* hierarchy.  Most undergrads aren't
concerned with creating a thesis committee and most grad students
aren't concerned with joining a fraternity or sorority.

Note that this is separate and disjoint from the current CFV for
soc.college.gradinfo, a group limited to official postings of graduate
program descriptions.  (A similar group was proposed in the original
CFD, but was dropped from the final CFV.)  However, discussion of
program descriptions posted to soc.college.gradinfo could take place
in soc.college.grad (e.g. "This is what the PR office says -- what's
the truth?").
-- 
Brian Yamauchi				University of Rochester
[email protected]		Department of Computer Science

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 16:15:50 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Brian Yamauchi)
Subject: CFV:  soc.college.grad
Followup-To: poster
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Date: 19 Apr 91 05:34:19 GMT
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Status: RO
X-Status: 

Group Name:	soc.college.grad
Group Type:	Unmoderated

Group Charter:

soc.college.grad would be an unmoderated newsgroup for general
discussion of issues related to graduate schools (including
professional schools -- i.e. law, medicine, business) and graduate
student life.  Such subjects could include theses, research fields,
advisors, committees, funding sources, research careers, teaching
careers, the academic/research/social environment of different
departments, and any other topic relating to any aspect of graduate
life.

These issues are sufficiently different from those concerning
undergraduate college students that a separate newsgroup would be a
useful addition to the soc.college.* hierarchy.  Most undergrads aren't
concerned with creating a thesis committee and most grad students
aren't concerned with joining a fraternity or sorority.

Note that this is separate and disjoint from soc.college.gradinfo,
which is dedicated to graduate program descriptions.  However,
discussion of program descriptions posted to soc.college.gradinfo
could take place in soc.college.grad (e.g. "This is what the PR office
says -- what's the truth?").  [Apologies for crossposting this CFV in
soc.college.gradinfo, but I felt it would be useful for those
currently discussing grad-related subjects in that newsgroup.]

Votes should be mailed to:

	[email protected]

Votes should include in the SUBJECT HEADER either:

	soc.college.grad: YES

		or

	soc.college.grad: NO

In general, the text of vote messages may not be read, so if you have
any additional comments or questions, please send these in a separate
message.

The voting starts immediately and ends at 23:59 UT on 9 May 1991.

Only votes mailed (not posted) in this interval will be counted.  A
number of people have mailed positive comments about the group and one
person mailed a negative comment.  These are not considered votes.
-- 
Brian Yamauchi				University of Rochester
[email protected]		Department of Computer Science

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 16:16:14 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Brian Yamauchi)
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK:  soc.college.grad
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Group Name:	soc.college.grad
Group Type:	Unmoderated

Group Charter:

soc.college.grad would be an unmoderated newsgroup for general
discussion of issues related to graduate schools (including
professional schools -- i.e. law, medicine, business) and graduate
student life.  Such subjects could include theses, research fields,
advisors, committees, funding sources, research careers, teaching
careers, the academic/research/social environment of different
departments, and any other topic relating to any aspect of graduate
life.

These issues are sufficiently different from those concerning
undergraduate college students that a separate newsgroup would be a
useful addition to the soc.college.* hierarchy.  Most undergrads aren't
concerned with creating a thesis committee and most grad students
aren't concerned with joining a fraternity or sorority.

Note that this is separate and disjoint from soc.college.gradinfo,
which is dedicated to graduate program descriptions.  However,
discussion of program descriptions posted to soc.college.gradinfo
could take place in soc.college.grad (e.g. "This is what the PR office
says -- what's the truth?").  [Apologies for crossposting this CFV in
soc.college.gradinfo, but I felt it would be useful for those
currently discussing grad-related subjects in that newsgroup.]

Votes should be mailed to:

	[email protected]

Votes should include in the SUBJECT HEADER either:

	soc.college.grad: YES

		or

	soc.college.grad: NO

In general, the text of vote messages may not be read, so if you have
any additional comments or questions, please send these in a separate
message.

Votes must be sent by mail -- posted votes will not be counted.

The voting ends at 23:59 UT on May 9.  Votes received after this date
will not be counted.

In order for soc.college.grad to be created, 2/3 of the received votes
must be yes votes, and there must be 100 more yes votes than no votes.

The 112 votes received as of 23:30 EDT on April 25 are listed below:

"" 
"(Marc Riese)" 
"Anthony M. Petro, Office of Information Systems"
"Barbara J. Kratz" 
"Mark A. Lindsay" 
"PAMELA L. SCHAFER" 
"ROGER GREEN,MEDICINE,ST.JOHN'S,NF,CAN" 
"john  watts" 
"[email protected] (Systems Research Supervisor)" 
"sendhil  revuluri" 
Ann Shilling 
Brendan Mumey 
Chris Pounds 
Curt Schroeder 
[email protected]
Dan Christensen 
Dan Wallach 
David Chalmers 
David G. Paschich 
Delia Cioffi 
Dominic Duggan 
Dwight Spencer 
Germaine L'Eveque 
Harald Nordg}rd-Hansen 
Jason Howard Elbaum 
John A December 
Kate Gregory 
Kevin Denelsbeck 
Koen Versmissen 
Liz Johnson 
Mark J. McIntosh 
Mark M Mehl 
Michael M. Marx / Jerusalem - Israel.  
Milt Epstein 
Peter Montgomery 
Prabal K. Acharyya 
Richard H. Miller 
Sean Philip Engelson 
Sigfred H}versen Kilberg 
THE MAD ONDATRA 
Teresa C D Carstensen 
Yoram Eisenstadter 
[email protected] (Adwait B Sathye)
[email protected] (Satyen G Baindur)
[email protected] (Catherine Middleton)
[email protected] (Cary Timar)
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Frank Chance)
[email protected] (Cyndi Norman)
[email protected] (Robert Scott Colello)
[email protected] (Curt Burgess)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Paulo da Costa 42147)
[email protected] (Daniel Jacobson)
[email protected] (Dave Phillips)
[email protected] (David Robinson)
[email protected] (Dan Briggs)
[email protected] (David C. Tuttle)
[email protected] (David Elliston)
[email protected] (Tom Fitzgerald)
[email protected] (Davis W. Frank)
[email protected] (Luis Giron)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Lee Bennett)
[email protected] (Guy A. Schiavone)
harvard!ames!amdcad!netcom.com!nagar ( Nagar)
harvard!ames!juts.ccc.amdahl.com!ked01 (Kim DeVaughn)
harvard!ames!shakespeare.ras.amdahl.com!lynn (Lynn Robinson)
harvard!ames!zorch.SF-Bay.ORG!xanthian (Kent Paul Dolan)
harvard!genrad.com!rob (Robert S. Wood)
[email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Jin Kim)
kEvin 
[email protected] (Brian Kenney)
[email protected] (Rob Knauerhase)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Audrey C Mack)
[email protected] (Mark Sicignano)
[email protected] (M. P. Gerlek)
[email protected] (Craig Groeschel)
[email protected] (Robert F Solon)
[email protected] (Norwitz Neal)
[email protected] (Olaf von Bremen)
[email protected] (Oktay S. Ahiska)
[email protected] (Leonard Peirce)
[email protected] (Michal Prussak)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mahesh Amarlal Rajani)
[email protected] (Raymond Yee)
richard wyckoff 
[email protected] (Rudi Halbright)
rutgers!mtxinu.com!jrb (John Black)
rutgers!ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com!alewis
[email protected] (Meta Sienkiewicz)
[email protected]  (Richard Sikorski, MAC RSMAS Umiami 305-361-4714)
[email protected] (Chris Spell)
[email protected] (Ken Staggers)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Timothy W. Lynch)
[email protected] (Thomas Skibo)
[email protected] (Tom Frauenhofer)
[email protected] (Tellier Philippe)
[email protected] (Upasana)
[email protected] (David Wald)
[email protected] (Carol Wang)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ajay Khanna)
[email protected] (Chris * 249-4092  22-Apr-1991 2216)
[email protected]
[email protected] (yoshio nakamura)
[email protected] (Zoran Kacic-Alesic)
-- 
Brian Yamauchi				University of Rochester
[email protected]		Department of Computer Science

From [email protected] Mon Sep 11 16:17:28 1995
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Path: rpi!bounce-back
From: [email protected] (Brian Yamauchi)
Subject: RESULT:  soc.college.grad passes 155: 22
Followup-To: news.groups
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Date: 13 May 91 05:17:37 GMT
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Status: O
X-Status: 

The vote for soc.college.grad has been completed, and the proposal to
create the group has passed.

YES votes:		155
NO votes:		22

YES votes - NO votes:	133	> 100
YES votes / NO votes:	7.05	> 2.00

Since there are 100 more YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES
votes as NO votes, the group meets both of the criteria necessary to
pass.

After a waiting period has passed to resolve any questions about the
vote, a newgroup will be issued for soc.college.grad.

The following is a list of all votes received:

YES votes:

"" 
" SHERIDAN K. HOUGHTEN " 
"(Marc Riese)" 
"Anthony M. Petro, Office of Information Systems" 
"Barbara J. Kratz" 
"D.J." Crawford 
"Dean Hougen" 
"Donna M. Whittingham" 
"Hector Ruben Cordero-Guzman" 
"Mark A. Lindsay" 
"PAMELA L. SCHAFER" 
"ROGER GREEN,MEDICINE,ST.JOHN'S,NF,CAN" 
"john  watts" 
"michael shalom kochin" 
"[email protected] (Systems Research Supervisor)" 
"sendhil  revuluri" 
AL-NABEGHA AL-DHEBYANI 
ASSASSINS R US 
Ann Shilling 
Arthur Tateishi 
Brendan Mumey 
Carolyn Philippe 
Chris Pounds 
Curt Schroeder 
[email protected]
Dan Christensen 
Dan Wallach 
Daniel Fu 
David Chalmers 
David G. Paschich 
David J. Murphy 
Delia Cioffi 
Dominic Duggan 
Dwight Spencer 
Germaine L'Eveque 
[email protected]
Isabelle Laye 
Jason Howard Elbaum 
Joe Hughes 
John A December 
Jorge Rufat 283-4308 
Josh Hayes 
Karen Ward 
Kate Gregory 
Kevin Denelsbeck 
Koen Versmissen 
Liz Johnson 
Mark J. McIntosh 
Michael Cummings 
Milt Epstein 
Norman Danner 
Peter H. Hellmonds 
Peter Montgomery 
Prabal K. Acharyya 
Prasanna Malaviya 
Robert Craig Harman 
Sally Roberts 
Sean Philip Engelson 
Sigfred H}versen Kilberg 
Steve Reeves 
THE MAD ONDATRA 
Teresa C D Carstensen 
[email protected]
Yoram Eisenstadter 
Yun Yau Shih 
[email protected] (Adwait B Sathye)
atmadja%[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] (Satyen G Baindur)
[email protected] (Thomas L. Bodine)
[email protected] (Catherine Middleton)
[email protected] (Cary Timar)
[email protected] (Antonella Ceroni)
[email protected] (Frank Chance)
[email protected] (Cyndi Norman)
[email protected] (Robert Scott Colello)
[email protected] (Rodrigo Vanegas)
[email protected] (Terry Rawlings)
[email protected] (Curt Burgess)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Daniel Jacobson)
[email protected] (Dave Phillips)
[email protected] (Dan Briggs)
[email protected] (David C. Tuttle)
[email protected] (Bill J Biesty)
[email protected] (David Elliston)
[email protected] (Petrus Hardianto)
[email protected] (Frank Hadsell)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Davis W. Frank)
[email protected] (Luis Giron)
[email protected] (Lee Bennett)
[email protected] (Gunnar Gudnason)
[email protected] (Guy A. Schiavone)
harvard!ames!amdcad!netcom.com!nagar ( Nagar)
harvard!ames!shakespeare.ras.amdahl.com!lynn (Lynn Robinson)
harvard!ames!zorch.SF-Bay.ORG!xanthian (Kent Paul Dolan)
[email protected] (Denbigh Starkey)
[email protected] (Ivan Maldonado)
[email protected]
[email protected] (John Dengler)
[email protected] (Jin Kim)
[email protected]
kEvin 
[email protected] (Rob Knauerhase)
[email protected] (K. Savige)
[email protected] (Leo Charles Kempel)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ward, Robert A)
[email protected] (Audrey C Mack)
[email protected] (Mark Rennebaum)
[email protected] (M. P. Gerlek)
[email protected] (Owen)
[email protected] (Moira Mallison)
[email protected] (Craig Groeschel)
[email protected] (Robert F Solon)
[email protected] (Norwitz Neal)
[email protected] (Olaf von Bremen)
[email protected] (Oktay S. Ahiska)
[email protected] (Na Choon Piaw)
[email protected] (Michal Prussak)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Mahesh Amarlal Rajani)
[email protected] (Raymond Yee)
richard wyckoff 
[email protected] (Michael Sean Rooney)
[email protected] (Rudi Halbright)
rutgers!mtxinu.com!jrb (John Black)
rutgers!ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com!alewis
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bob Schrag)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Meta Sienkiewicz)
[email protected]   (Richard Sikorski, MAC RSMAS Umiami 305-361-4714)
[email protected] (Sonia Thompson)
[email protected] (Chris Spell)
[email protected] (Ken Staggers)
[email protected] (Steinn Sigurdsson)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Bill Mackiewicz)
[email protected] (Dennis P Hilgenberg)
[email protected] (Timothy W. Lynch)
[email protected] (Thomas Skibo)
[email protected] (Tom Frauenhofer)
[email protected] (Tellier Philippe)
[email protected] (Uhhyung Choi)
[email protected] (Upasana)
[email protected] (David Wald)
[email protected] (Carol Wang)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Ajay Khanna)
[email protected] (Chris * 249-4092  22-Apr-1991 2216)
[email protected] (Brian Yamauchi)
[email protected] (yoshio nakamura)
[email protected] (Zoran Kacic-Alesic)

NO votes:

Conor O'Neill 
Harald Nordg}rd-Hansen 
Mark M Mehl 
Michael M. Marx / Jerusalem - Israel.  
Richard H. Miller 
[email protected] (Carl Rigney)
[email protected] (Paulo da Costa 42147)
[email protected] (David Robinson)
[email protected] (Tom Fitzgerald)
[email protected]
harvard!ames!juts.ccc.amdahl.com!ked01 (Kim DeVaughn)
harvard!genrad.com!rob (Robert S. Wood)
harvard!scubed!ncrons.StPaul.NCR.COM!pasek
[email protected] (Jim Adamopoulos)
[email protected] (Brian Kenney)
[email protected] (Mark Sicignano)
[email protected] (Mike Palmer)
[email protected] (Leonard Peirce)
[email protected]
[email protected] (Rudolf Kuenzli)
rutgers!cs.washington.edu!6sceng!blm (Brian Matthews)
[email protected] (Dave V. Schaller)
-- 
Brian Yamauchi				University of Rochester
[email protected]		Department of Computer Science

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