From [email protected] Thu Sep 17 14:46:07 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2734 news.groups:56674 comp.sys.mac.programmer:45954 comp.sys.mac.announce:342 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.announce Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (John Werner) Subject: RFD: comp.sys.mac.macapp3 Message-ID:Followup-To: news.groups Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 18:04:00 GMT Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Lines: 90 This is an official Request For Discussion for a new newsgroup for discussions about the version 3 of the MacApp object-oriented application framework. [Note: This is being posted to usenet and mailed to the MacApp3 mailing list.] NAME: comp.sys.mac.macapp3 (but certainly open for debate) STATUS: unmoderated The newsgroup will be gatewayed with the existing Macapp 3 mailing list. Messages sent to the list will be echoed to the news group, and vice versa. CHARTER: This group will be a forum for discussion of version 3 of the MacApp object oriented application framework used to write many Macintosh applications. It is anticipated that most posts will be technical in nature, but "advocacy" for new features, meeting announcements, and other MacApp discussion will also be welcome. REASONS: There is presently a MacApp 3 mailing list, called MacApp3Tech$, maintained by Apple. The list started on the AppleLink bbs/mail system, but has been accessible from the Internet for several years. There are 350 people who subscribe via AppleLink, and about 165 who subscribe via Internet mail. Current traffic on the mailing list averages about 75-100 messages per week. Many of the current subscribers, both on AppleLink and the Internet, have expressed interest in reading a newsgroup rather than a large number of individual email messages. -------------------------------------------------------- Here are some possible issues for discussion. Usenet readers should post followup discussion to news.groups, _not_ to comp.sys.mac.programmer. You can also mail directly to me, especially with ideas about the group name. 1) Scope of the group. The MacApp3Tech$ mailing list is intended for discussions about MacApp version 3 only. Many "meta-issues" get discussed there too: the future of MacApp; scheduling for MADA meetings, etc. There is a separate list for discussions about MacApp 2. Presumably a new list will be created for users of the new Bedrock framework when it becomes available. Should the newsgroup we create be specific to MacApp 3? I think so; we don't want to inundate mailing-list readers with messages about MacApp 2, Bedrock, TCL, or whatever. Other newsgroups can be created for those mailing lists later if there is enough interest. 2) There are several possible names for the group: comp.sys.mac.macapp Nice and simple. comp.sys.mac.macapp3 More specific - I like this one comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 For MacApp 3; maybe others later comp.sys.mac.frameworks.macapp3 For MacApp 3; maybe others later 3) Why not just put the group under "comp.sys.mac.programmer"? Many people think that having a group and a hierarchy with the same name is a bad idea. So c.s.m.programmer would have to be renamed to c.s.m.programmer.misc. If someone else wants to run such a reorganization later, fine. But I'd like to keep this vote simple. 4) Are there enough votes? Usenet guidelines require a 2:1 Yes:No vote ratio, _and_ 100 more Yes votes than No votes. We can probably expect 50 or so No votes. Will there be 150 Yes votes? 5) Signal-to-noise ratio on the mailing list. Creating a parallel Usenet group will make the MacApp mailing list much more accessible to the masses. The amount of discussion will probably go up, but the signal-to-noise ratio will probably go down. Keeping the newsgroup limited to MacApp 3 will minimize this. I think the tradeoff will be worth it; what do others think? 6) AppleLink allows people to attach binary "enclosures" to mail messages. The AppleLink/Internet gateway appends these enclosures (uuencoded) to the end of the mail message, and will do the same when posting messages to the new group. Nobody has time to rewrite the gateway software right now. Big enclosures attached to MacApp3Tech$ messages have been fairly rare, but users of the mailing list will have to be careful not to use them. Assuming there is some consensus on the group name and charter, I'll post a Call For Votes after the discussion dies down. -- John Werner [email protected] UC Berkeley School of Education 510-642-9651 From [email protected] Fri Oct 16 16:53:51 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2842 news.groups:57898 comp.sys.mac.programmer:47436 comp.sys.mac.announce:356 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.announce Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (John Werner) Subject: CFV: comp.sys.mac.oop.{macapp3,misc} Followup-To: poster Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:42:21 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 69 This is a Call For Votes for the creation of two newsgroups for discussing object-oriented programming on the Macintosh. For those keeping score at home, the RFD went out on Thursday, September 17th, with the name "RFD: comp.sys.mac.macapp3". During the discussion period a straw poll was taken to pick a new name, and a .misc group was added to the proposal. GROUP NAMES: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 unmoderated; gatewayed to existing mailing list comp.sys.mac.oop.misc unmoderated VOTING PROCEDURE: On each of the two newsgroups, you may vote Yes, No, or Abstain. To vote, copy the following ballot into a mail message, and if you wish to vote Yes or No on a group, replace the 'A' with a 'Y' or 'N'. Then mail the ballot to "[email protected]". BALLOT: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3: A comp.sys.mac.oop.misc: A Following are the group charters and more detailed voting rules: CHARTERS: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 will be a forum for discussion of version 3 of the MacApp object oriented application framework used to write many Macintosh applications. It is anticipated that most posts will be technical in nature, but "advocacy" for new features, MacApp-related meeting announcements, and other MacApp discussion will also be welcome. comp.sys.mac.oop.misc is intended for discussion of other object-oriented programming issues on the Macintosh. Possibilities include discussion of the Think Class Library and the forthcoming Bedrock library, as well as object-related C++ and Object Pascal issues. GATEWAY: There is presently a MacApp 3 mailing list, called MacApp3Tech$, maintained by Apple. There will be a bidirectional gateway between the mailing list and the new comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 newsgroup. The mailing list currently has about 500 subscribers, and traffic averages about 75-100 messages per week. VOTING RULES: * One vote per person. If you vote more than once, only the _last_ vote will be counted. * Votes that are ambiguous will not be counted. Rejected votes will be returned to the sender with an explanation of why they were rejected. * Votes posted to any newsgroup will not be counted. Votes MUST be mailed to the voting address, "[email protected]". * According to Usenet guidelines, for a group to be created there must be at least a 2:1 ratio of Yes to No votes, and at least 100 more Yes votes than No votes. VOTING PERIOD: * Votes will be collected starting when this CFV is posted, and ending at 12:01am PST (8:01am GMT) Monday, November 9, 1992. * Halfway through the voting period (about October 28) a second Call For Votes will be posted, along with an acknowledgement listing the names of everyone who has voted so far. RESULTS: * After the voting period had ended the results will be posted, along with a list of everyone who voted and what their votes were. -- John Werner [email protected] UC Berkeley School of Education 510-642-9651 From [email protected] Mon Nov 2 15:42:59 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2890 news.groups:58627 comp.sys.mac.programmer:48218 comp.sys.mac.announce:376 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.announce Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (John Werner) Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.sys.mac.oop.{macapp3,misc} Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: Berkeley Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 02:47:32 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 369 This is the second Call For Votes for the creation of two newsgroups for discussing object-oriented programming on the Macintosh. At the end of this post is a list of all people who have voted so far. If you sent in a vote and your name doesn't appear on the list, try again. For those keeping score at home, the RFD went out on Thursday, September 17th, with the name "RFD: comp.sys.mac.macapp3". During the discussion period a straw poll was taken to pick a new name, and a .misc group was added to the proposal. The first CFV was issued on Friday, October 16th. GROUP NAMES: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 unmoderated; gatewayed to existing mailing list comp.sys.mac.oop.misc unmoderated VOTING PROCEDURE: On each of the two newsgroups, you may vote Yes, No, or Abstain. To vote, copy the following ballot into a mail message, and if you wish to vote Yes or No on a group, replace the 'A' with a 'Y' or 'N'. Then mail the ballot to "[email protected]". BALLOT: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3: A comp.sys.mac.oop.misc: A Following are the group charters and more detailed voting rules: CHARTERS: comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 will be a forum for discussion of version 3 of the MacApp object oriented application framework used to write many Macintosh applications. It is anticipated that most posts will be technical in nature, but "advocacy" for new features, MacApp-related meeting announcements, and other MacApp discussion will also be welcome. comp.sys.mac.oop.misc is intended for discussion of other object-oriented programming issues on the Macintosh. Possibilities include discussion of the Think Class Library and the forthcoming Bedrock library, as well as object-related C++ and Object Pascal issues. GATEWAY: There is presently a MacApp 3 mailing list, called MacApp3Tech$, maintained by Apple. There will be a bidirectional gateway between the mailing list and the new comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 newsgroup. The mailing list currently has about 500 subscribers, and traffic averages about 75-100 messages per week. VOTING RULES: * One vote per person. If you vote more than once, only the _last_ vote will be counted. * Votes that are ambiguous will not be counted. Rejected votes will be returned to the sender with an explanation of why they were rejected. * Votes posted to any newsgroup will not be counted. Votes MUST be mailed to the voting address, "[email protected]". * According to Usenet guidelines, for a group to be created there must be at least a 2:1 ratio of Yes to No votes, and at least 100 more Yes votes than No votes. VOTING PERIOD: * Votes will be collected starting when this CFV is posted, and ending at 12:01am PST (8:01am GMT) Monday, November 9, 1992. * Halfway through the voting period (about October 28) a second Call For Votes will be posted, along with an acknowledgement listing the names of everyone who has voted so far. RESULTS: * After the voting period had ended the results will be posted, along with a list of everyone who voted and what their votes were. VOTE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: Votes have been received from the following people as of 10:00am PST Wednesday October 28, 1992. If you sent in a vote and your name isn't on the list, try again. The list contains 291 names and is sorted by userid. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (AH Al_ashaab ) [email protected] [email protected] (Aaron Rosenbaum) [email protected] (Tim Dierks, software saboteur) [email protected] (Alberto J. Canas) [email protected] (Alan Fisher) [email protected] (Alexander Hopmann) [email protected] (Alan Staniforth ) [email protected] (Al Velella) [email protected] [email protected] (Anders Blomdell ) [email protected] [email protected] (John Andrews) [email protected] (TraveLogix Inc, A Murarka,PRT) [email protected] (Luigi Andolfato 322508/IF) [email protected] (Ari Hypp|nen ) [email protected] (Arne Henrik Juul ) [email protected] (Brian Excarnate ) [email protected] (Eric L. Nelson) [email protected] [email protected] (Hablutzel, Bob,CST) [email protected] (David Richardson, UTA, +1 817 856 6609) [email protected] (M. Babin) [email protected] (James Barrett) [email protected] [email protected] (Blair M. Burtan) [email protected] (Bengt Baverman ) [email protected] [email protected] (Brian Hamlin) [email protected] (Bob Hoffman) [email protected] (Michael Kistenmacher) [email protected] (Brian Bechtel) [email protected] (Beckie Pack ) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Andreas 'Ideograf' Magnusson ) [email protected] (Cameron McNairy 374-8232) [email protected] (L L Campbell ) [email protected] (John Cavallo) [email protected] (Murray Nesbitt) [email protected] (Charles Lakos) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Ernest Cline ) [email protected] (Cory Kempf) [email protected] (Craig Heilman) [email protected] (Chuck Shotton) [email protected] [email protected] (wrobel) [email protected] (Carlson, Eric) [email protected] (Gary Czychi ) [email protected] (Office Product Tech, B Toback,PRT) [email protected] (David Graham) [email protected] (Dan Schaeffer) [email protected] (Daniel Leiderman ) [email protected] (Daniel Weinberg ) [email protected] (Daryl Spitzer) [email protected] (Dave Nicozisin) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (David Goldsmith ) [email protected] (David Winterburn) [email protected] (David Coster) [email protected] (Dana S Emery) [email protected] (Lon Hildreth) decwrl!ub-gate.UB.com!outpost.SF-Bay.org!peirce@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Peirce) [email protected] [email protected] (David Lopez) [email protected] (D. Jay Newman) [email protected] (Dan Nater) [email protected] (Robert Dominy) [email protected] Duane_Murphy.WC_QM_KNET@wc_smtp_knet.wc.novell.com (Duane Murphy ) [email protected] (Lucien Dupont) [email protected] (Ronald V. Dziuk Jr.) [email protected] (Ed Watkeys) [email protected] (Mr. Erik Hanson) [email protected] [email protected] (Eric J. Olson) [email protected] (Ed McGuire) [email protected] (Mike Greenawalt) [email protected] [email protected] (Eric Berdahl ) [email protected] (Eric Richards ) [email protected] (Erling Mork ) [email protected] (Doug Gosciak) [email protected] (Christopher Evans) [email protected] (tod farrell) [email protected] (Francis A. Uy) [email protected] (Frank D. Malczewski) [email protected] (Frank Owen) [email protected] (Frank Lemmon) [email protected] (Straw Man Dude ) [email protected] (Norman Franke, III) [email protected] (Mads Freek Petersen) (Mads Freek Petersen) [email protected] (Kevin Wilson Jiang) [email protected] (Garance A Drosehn ) [email protected] (Andy Gallo ) [email protected] (Greg Francis) [email protected] (Don Gilbert) [email protected] (Dan Gilliam ) [email protected] (Steven Gillispie ) [email protected] (Red Mountain) [email protected] (G. S. Marzot) [email protected] [email protected] (Bradley Green ) [email protected] (Greg Newton-Ingham) [email protected] [email protected] (Gavriel State) [email protected] (Andreas J. Guelzow, Brandon Univ.) [email protected] (Gene Garbutt) [email protected] [email protected] (Hades) [email protected] (Brad Hards) [email protected] (Hayden Harman) [email protected] (Carl W. Haynes III)[email protected] (Klaus Heck ) [email protected] (Stephan Heilmayr) [email protected] (Petri Helin ) [email protected] (B.J. 19-Oct-1992 1313 ) [email protected] (Patrick Hoepfner) [email protected] (Franz Huber ) [email protected] (Edward J. Huff) [email protected] [email protected] (Ian Robinson ) [email protected] (Jerry Wilcox ) [email protected] (Shoji Iwasaki ) [email protected] (Jack Littleton) [email protected] (Jay Lieske Jr ) [email protected] [email protected] (Jeff Durham) [email protected] (Jeff Holcomb) [email protected] (Jerry Jahnke) [email protected] (John Harkin) [email protected] (JR Hughson ) [email protected] (Jim Williams) [email protected] (Jeremy Jones) [email protected] (John Leslie) [email protected] (John E. Rose) [email protected] (Jon Pugh) [email protected] (Janne O Rajala ) [email protected] [email protected] (John C Shockey) [email protected] (John S. Jacob ) [email protected] (Jim Van Peursem ) [email protected] (Jamie R. McCarthy) [email protected] (Kees de Ridder) [email protected] (Ken Grigsby) [email protected] (Brian Kenney ) [email protected] [email protected] (R. Kent Hutson) [email protected] (Neil Redding ) [email protected] (Andreas Koch) [email protected] (Eastman Kodak, K Wieschhoff,PRT) [email protected] [email protected] (Kris Jorgensen) [email protected] (Kenneth Knight ) [email protected] (Andy Y.A. Kuo) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Robert Lenoil ) [email protected] (Lars-Gunnar Taube ) [email protected] [email protected] (Jose Luis Llopis Borras ) [email protected] (Luis Montoya) [email protected] (Larry Rosenstein) [email protected] (anonymous somebody) [email protected] (Alexander_William MACAULAY) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Steven McGee) [email protected] (Chuck 'Big Brain, No Thoughts' McMath) [email protected] (Mitch Bayersdorfer ) [email protected] (Mark H. 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Brown) [email protected] (Albert Rhemrev ) [email protected] (Richard R. Harms) [email protected] (Richard H. Miller) [email protected] [email protected] (Ross Leon Richardson) [email protected] (Rick Holzgrafe) [email protected] (Roanne Steele ) [email protected] (Robert J.P.B. Lukassen) [email protected] [email protected] (Roger W. Brown) [email protected] (Rolf Borg Sandahl-Baewer) [email protected] (Ron Beloin) [email protected] (Russell S. Finn) [email protected] (ruman) [email protected] [email protected] (Daniel Salber) [email protected] (B. D. Sarachan) [email protected] (Tomaso Paoletti 345392/IL) [email protected] (Scott Hill) [email protected] (Dave V. Schaller) [email protected] [email protected] (Scott Herzinger) [email protected] (Steve Dobbs) [email protected] (Sys Engineering Sltns, Flack,PRT) [email protected] (Shigeya Suzuki ) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] (Karl J. Smith) [email protected] (Peter Speck) [email protected] (Stephen C. Gilardi) [email protected] (Andy Hong (Go Speed Racer!) ) [email protected] (Andrew Shearer ) [email protected] (Craig Steele) [email protected] (Stephan Bublava) [email protected] (Stephen Marder ) [email protected] [email protected] (Shigeo Suwa) [email protected] (Sven M. Heinicke) [email protected] (Sak Wathanasin) [email protected] [email protected] (Tim Burrow) [email protected] [email protected] (Dave Slotter) [email protected] (Terry Teague ) [email protected] (Timo Honkela ) [email protected] (Thomas Fruin ) [email protected] (Tim Nicholson) [email protected] (Todd L. Gustavson ) TOGE%[email protected] (Nobukazu Toge) [email protected] (Thomas R. Kimpton) [email protected] (Tom Becker) [email protected] (Tom Chavez ) [email protected] (Tom Messerges) [email protected] () [email protected] (Tron R.) [email protected] (Matthew Turk) [email protected] (Thomas V Williams) [email protected] [email protected] (Ted Theodore W. Leung) [email protected] (Tyler Smithson) [email protected] (Ulf Olsson) [email protected] (Robert E. Winston) [email protected] (Amoco Technology, Jeff Jurvis,VAR) [email protected] [email protected] (Vemuri, Sunil,VCA) [email protected] [email protected] (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren) [email protected] [email protected] (Lisa Weinberg) [email protected] [email protected] (Wicat Systems, Michael Rossetti,PRT) [email protected] (David J. Harr) [email protected] (Engle, Steven,CLA) [email protected] [email protected] (Wes Price) [email protected] (Chris Wysocki) From [email protected] Tue Nov 10 15:49:23 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2915 news.groups:59683 comp.sys.mac.programmer:48579 comp.sys.mac.announce:377 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.announce Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (John Werner) Subject: RESULT: comp.sys.mac.oop.{macapp3,misc} pass {372:50,409:36} Followup-To: news.groups Approved: [email protected], [email protected] Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:58:28 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 480 The voting for comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 and comp.sys.mac.oop.misc ended at midnight last night. Here are the results: Yes No Abstain Yes-No Yes/(Yes+No) comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3 372 50 37 322 88% comp.sys.mac.oop.misc 409 36 14 373 92% Both groups meet the criteria of at least 100 more yes and at least 2/3 Yes votes, so both pass. The groups will be newgrouped by David Lawrence (news.announce.newgroups moderator) unless problems are found during the usual 5-day waiting period. Following is a list of all votes on the newsgroups. Column 1 is the vote on comp.sys.mac.oop.macapp3; column2 is for comp.sys.mac.oop.misc. Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (AH Al_ashaab ) A Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] \ \ (J\ rgen Hal\ n) Y A [email protected] (Aaron Rosenbaum) Y Y [email protected] (Tim Dierks, software saboteur) Y Y [email protected] (Alberto J. Canas) Y Y [email protected] (Adam Wildavsky) Y Y [email protected] (Andrew E. Scheck ) N Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Alan Fisher) Y Y [email protected] (AGOSTINELLI GREGORY A ) Y Y [email protected] (Alexander Hopmann) N N [email protected] (Alan Staniforth ) Y Y [email protected] (Al Velella) A Y [email protected] (Andrew M Langmead) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Anders Blomdell ) Y Y [email protected] N N [email protected] (John Andrews) Y Y [email protected] (TraveLogix Inc, A Murarka,PRT) Y Y [email protected] (Luigi Andolfato 322508/IF) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Ari Hypp|nen ) N N [email protected] (Arne Henrik Juul ) A A [email protected] (Brian Excarnate ) Y Y [email protected] (Eric Aubourg) Y Y [email protected] (Eric L. Nelson) N N [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Hablutzel, Bob,CST) A Y [email protected] (David Richardson, UTA, +1 817 856 6609) Y Y [email protected] (M. Babin) N N [email protected] (James Barrett) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Blair M. Burtan) Y Y [email protected] (E. V. Bell, II - NSSDC/HSTX/GSFC/NASA - (301)513-1663) Y Y [email protected] (Bengt Baverman ) Y Y [email protected] (Mike Bentley) Y Y [email protected] A Y [email protected] (Brian Hamlin) Y Y [email protected] (Brad Hanson ) Y Y [email protected] (Bob Hoffman) Y Y [email protected] (Michael Kistenmacher) Y Y [email protected] (Brian Bechtel) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Beckie Pack ) Y Y [email protected] N N [email protected] (Brian H. Powell) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] A Y [email protected] (Paul DuBois) Y Y [email protected] (Andreas 'Ideograf' Magnusson ) Y Y [email protected] (Cameron McNairy 374-8232) Y Y [email protected] (L L Campbell ) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Cas Meyer) N Y [email protected] (Casgrain Philippe) Y Y [email protected] (John Cavallo) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (C.F. Haupt - ISC/ACUS Software Support [x5342]) Y Y [email protected] (Alex Chaffee) N N [email protected] (Murray Nesbitt) Y N [email protected] (Charles Lakos) A Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Chris Moll) Y Y [email protected] (Chris Knepper ) N N [email protected] (Christer Ericson) Y Y [email protected] (Christopher T Hubbard ) N Y [email protected] N A [email protected] (Ernest Cline ) Y Y [email protected] (Cory Kempf) N Y [email protected] (Craig Heilman) N N [email protected] (Cristy) Y Y [email protected] (John Draper) Y Y [email protected] (Chris Russell) N N [email protected] (Chuck Shotton) Y Y [email protected] A Y [email protected] (wrobel) Y Y [email protected] (Carlson, Eric) N Y [email protected] (Gary Czychi ) Y Y [email protected] (Office Product Tech, B Toback,PRT) Y Y [email protected] (National Standards, Tomas Beas,PRT) A Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (David Graham) N Y [email protected] (John Daley) Y Y [email protected] (Dan Schaeffer) Y Y [email protected] (Daniel Leiderman ) Y Y [email protected] (Daniel Weinberg ) Y Y [email protected] (Dan King) A Y [email protected] (Daniel J Wood) Y Y [email protected] (Daryl Spitzer) Y Y [email protected] (Dave Green ) Y Y [email protected] (Dave Nicozisin) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (Roessli David ) Y Y [email protected] (David Goldsmith ) N Y [email protected] (David Peterson) Y Y [email protected] (David Winterburn) Y Y [email protected] (David Coster) Y Y [email protected] (Dana S Emery) Y Y [email protected] (Lon Hildreth) N Y decwrl!ub-gate.UB.com!outpost.SF-Bay.org!peirce@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Peirce) Y Y [email protected] (Dennis Jelcic) Y Y [email protected] (Andrew Dent ) Y Y [email protected] Y Y [email protected] (David Lopez) Y Y [email protected] (Darryl Trujillo) Y Y [email protected] (D. 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