From [email protected] Sat Apr 4 02:27:24 1992 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.manga,rec.arts.anime,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.asean,fj.rec.comics From: [email protected] (Patrick C Yip) Subject: RFD: rec.arts.manga Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 15:55:43 GMT This is a Request For Discussion on the creation of a new Usenet newsgroup. NAME: rec.arts.manga STATUS: unmoderated DESCRIPTION: Discussion of Japanese comics (a.k.a. manga), and comics with strong manga influences. CHARTER: This newsgroup will provide a forum for fan discussions related to Japanese comics (known as "Manga" in Japanese) as well as any comics strongly influenced by Japanese comics (such as comics in Hongkong and Taiwan). The topics that are to appear in this newsgroup may include: - exchange of information of how and where to get manga material - review of manga - discussion and comment on the art and story of manga - fan translation of manga - release of any news about manga. REASON: Comics has always had a huge market in Japan, and have influenced comics in her neighboring countries, where there has also been a comics boom. Now more and more people in the Western world are discovering the appeal of this art form because of its advanced and distinct art styles and storytelling. Readers also benefit from the increasing popularity of Anime (Japanese Animation, which is significantly related to manga) and its well-established fandom, and more recently, the effort by some western comics publishers to publish translated manga, which aims at introducing manga to Western readers. A newsgroup, alt.manga, has been running for a couple of months now. The group has been growing since its creation, and is now receiving dozen of messages daily. However, many people are annoyed by its low propagation, and there is a strong desire to create a formal USENET newgroup to replace it. Alt.manga is to become obsolete after the creation of Rec.arts.manga. Comments are welcome and should be posted to News.Groups. -- Patrick YIP From [email protected] Fri May 1 17:34:08 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2285 news.groups:50172 alt.manga:1599 rec.arts.anime:31959 rec.arts.comics:73124 soc.culture.japan:14827 soc.culture.taiwan:24815 soc.culture.hongkong:21429 soc.culture.asean:10404 soc.culture.thai:1950 fj.rec.comics:4637 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.manga,rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.comics,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,fj.rec.comics Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tsao) Subject: CFV: rec.arts.manga Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Cornell Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 19:53:01 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 101 This is a CALL FOR VOTES on the proposal to create REC.ARTS.MANGA, a newsgroup for the discussion of manga, a term used to denote the popular art and its artstyle that is derived originally from Japanese graphic novels. To cast a vote, either for the creation or against the creation, send an e-mail to: [email protected] The voting period begins immediately, and will end on May 23, 1992 at 23:59 Pacific Daylight Time. Votes must be explicit; they should contain the lines : "YES to RAM" or "I vote for rec.arts.manga as proposed" OR "NO to RAM" or "I vote against rec.arts.manga as proposed" in either the subject or the body of your e-mail. You don't have to use these exact words, but your statement must be UNAMBIGUOUS and UNCONDITIONAL. There can be only one valid vote per person. If anyone casts more than one vote, only the most recent vote will be counted. No votes should be posted to the NEWS. Only votes sent to [email protected] will be counted. Only mass acknowledgements will be posted to the net. To pass, rec.arts.manga needs a 2/3 majority AND 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes. -------------------------------- DESCRIPTION: Discussion about manga, a term used to denote the popular art and its artstyle that is derived originally and primarily from Japanese graphic novels, and any comics or art (from any country) with strong manga influence. (most notably manga from Taiwan and Hongkong, which is known as ManHwa in Chinese,) CHARTER: This newsgroup will provide a forum for discussion related to manga, the Japanese storytelling art form, plus comics and other arts with strong manga influences. The topics that are to appear in this newsgroup may include: - information on how and where to get manga material - reviews of manga - discussion about the artstyle, stories, and history of manga - fan translation of manga stories - discussion of manga-related products - reporting and discussion of any news about manga. - discussion about how to do manga - social/philosophical implications and impact of manga - manga art in society : commercial packaging, advertisements, etc - the influence of manga to other art forms COMMENT: Manga have always had a huge influence in Japan. In fact, one might say that manga has become an integral part of Japanese life and Japanese culture. This artform has already, to a varying extent, influenced manga related comics and popular art in neighboring countries. Increasing numbers of people in the Western world are discovering the appeal of this artform because of its advanced and distinctive art style, format and presentation techniques. Readers also benefit from the increasing popularity of anime (Japanese animation, which is significantly related to manga) and its well-established fandom, and more recently, the effort by some Western comics publishers to publish translated manga stories, which aims at introducing manga to Western readers (although admittedly the quantity and coverage is rather limited) This newsgroup intends to provide a forum for manga enthusiasts to discuss manga, as well as to provide a medium to introduce this influential artform which is still relatively new to regions outside the Far East area. A newsgroup, alt.manga, has been running for a few months now. The group has been growing since its creation, and is now receiving dozens of messages daily. However, many people are unsatisfied by its low propagation, and there is a strong desire to create a formal Usenet newgroup to replace it. Alt.manga will be rmgrouped after the creation of rec.arts.manga. The "alt.manga" mailing list, which currently channels alt.manga posts to non-USENET users, will be renamed "MANGA-L" and shifted to rec.arts.manga after its creation. -- Tsao Sheng-Te | Cornell University | "[email protected]" -----------------+----------------------+------------------------------ mailing address : Cornell University, Clark Hall 117, Ithaca NY 14853 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From [email protected] Mon May 11 17:53:30 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2323 news.groups:50667 alt.manga:1718 rec.arts.anime:32518 rec.arts.comics:74215 soc.culture.japan:15050 soc.culture.taiwan:25190 soc.culture.hongkong:21883 soc.culture.asean:10578 soc.culture.thai:2043 fj.rec.comics:4697 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.manga,rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.comics,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,fj.rec.comics Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tsao Sheng-Te) Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.manga Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc Date: Mon, 11 May 1992 16:51:02 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 103 This is a CALL FOR VOTES on the proposal to create REC.ARTS.MANGA, a newsgroup for the discussion of manga, a term used to denote the popular art and its artstyle that is derived originally from Japanese graphic novels. To cast a vote, either for the creation or against the creation, send an e-mail to: [email protected] The voting period begins immediately, and will end on May 23, 1992 at 23:59 Pacific Daylight Time. Votes must be explicit; they should contain the lines : "YES to RAM" or "I vote for rec.arts.manga as proposed" OR "NO to RAM" or "I vote against rec.arts.manga as proposed" in either the subject or the body of your e-mail. You don't have to use these exact words, but your statement must be UNAMBIGUOUS and UNCONDITIONAL. There can be only one valid vote per person. If anyone casts more than one vote, only the most recent vote will be counted. No votes should be posted to the NEWS. Only votes sent to [email protected] will be counted. Only mass acknowledgements will be posted to the net. To pass, rec.arts.manga needs a 2/3 majority AND 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes. FINAL NOTE : hereafter any discussion about the newsgroup creation should be stopped as the voting has started -------------------------------- DESCRIPTION: Discussion about manga, a term used to denote the popular art and its artstyle that is derived originally and primarily from Japanese graphic novels, and any comics or art (from any country) with strong manga influence. (most notably manga from Taiwan and Hongkong, which is known as ManHwa in Chinese,) CHARTER: This newsgroup will provide a forum for discussion related to manga, the Japanese storytelling art form, plus comics and other arts with strong manga influences. The topics that are to appear in this newsgroup may include: - information on how and where to get manga material - reviews of manga - discussion about the artstyle, stories, and history of manga - fan translation of manga stories - discussion of manga-related products - reporting and discussion of any news about manga. - discussion about how to do manga - social/philosophical implications and impact of manga - manga art in society : commercial packaging, advertisements, etc - the influence of manga to other art forms COMMENT: Manga have always had a huge influence in Japan. In fact, one might say that manga has become an integral part of Japanese life and Japanese culture. This artform has already, to a varying extent, influenced manga related comics and popular art in neighboring countries. Increasing numbers of people in the Western world are discovering the appeal of this artform because of its advanced and distinctive art style, format and presentation techniques. Readers also benefit from the increasing popularity of anime (Japanese animation, which is significantly related to manga) and its well-established fandom, and more recently, the effort by some Western comics publishers to publish translated manga stories, which aims at introducing manga to Western readers (although admittedly the quantity and coverage is rather limited) This newsgroup intends to provide a forum for manga enthusiasts to discuss manga, as well as to provide a medium to introduce this influential artform which is still relatively new to regions outside the Far East area. A newsgroup, alt.manga, has been running for a few months now. The group has been growing since its creation, and is now receiving dozens of messages daily. However, many people are unsatisfied by its low propagation, and there is a strong desire to create a formal Usenet newgroup to replace it. Alt.manga will be rmgrouped after the creation of rec.arts.manga. The "alt.manga" mailing list, which currently channels alt.manga posts to non-USENET users, will be renamed "MANGA-L" and shifted to rec.arts.manga after its creation. -- -----------------+----------------------+------------------------------ Tsao Sheng-Te | Cornell University | "[email protected]" -----------------+----------------------+------------------------------ mailing address : Cornell University, Clark Hall 117, Ithaca NY 14853 From [email protected] Thu May 14 12:37:43 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2345 news.groups:50922 alt.manga:1763 rec.arts.anime:32697 rec.arts.comics:74533 soc.culture.japan:15144 soc.culture.taiwan:25395 soc.culture.hongkong:22211 soc.culture.asean:10624 soc.culture.thai:2064 fj.rec.comics:4745 rec.arts.misc:1547 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.manga,rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.comics,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,fj.rec.comics,rec.arts.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Tsao) Subject: VOTE ACK: rec.arts.manga Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected] Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY Date: Thu, 14 May 1992 16:18:31 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 667 Here is the list of people who voted so far, in the order the mails came in. I have not checked for duplicates or invalid votes yet. I'll do that before posting the final results. If you don't see your name here, then your mail got lost for some reason. I apologize for that, and please try again by sending your vote to [email protected] and also send me a note to "[email protected]" so that I can check to make sure your e-mail arrived and I'll acknowledge your vote personally. That way I can avoid being accused of losing people's mails on purpose. Thank you for participating in the vote. Tsao Sheng-Te | Cornell University | "[email protected]" -----------------+----------------------+------------------------------ mailing address : Cornell University, Clark Hall 117, Ithaca NY 14853 [email protected] (R. P. White) [email protected] "Norman St. John Polevaulter"[email protected] (Michael S Forbes) "Todd E. 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Wishbone) [email protected] (Chris Troth) [email protected] (Kristy Patterson) [email protected] (Fred Hulsey) [email protected] (John Klopf) Aggelikh Karagounaki 403 [email protected] (Chris Lasell) [email protected] (NECI) Maxime Taksar [email protected] (Crusher Joe) John Charles Fiala [email protected] From [email protected] Mon May 18 14:52:27 1992 Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:2358 news.groups:51173 alt.manga:1814 rec.arts.anime:32887 rec.arts.comics:74840 soc.culture.japan:15203 soc.culture.taiwan:25585 soc.culture.hongkong:22412 soc.culture.asean:10696 soc.culture.thai:2140 fj.rec.comics:4778 rec.arts.misc:1549 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.manga,rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.comics,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,fj.rec.comics,rec.arts.misc Path: uunet!bounce-back From: [email protected] (Sheng-Te Tsao) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: rec.arts.manga Message-ID: <[email protected]> Followup-To: poster Sender: [email protected] (David C Lawrence) Reply-To: [email protected] Organization: Cornell University, Ithaca NY Date: Mon, 18 May 1992 18:20:20 GMT Approved: [email protected] Lines: 847 This is a CALL FOR VOTES on the proposal to create REC.ARTS.MANGA, a newsgroup for the discussion of manga, a term used to denote the popular art and its artstyle that is derived originally from Japanese graphic novels. To cast a vote, either for the creation or against the creation, send an e-mail to: [email protected] The voting period begins immediately, and will end on May 23, 1992 at 23:59 Pacific Daylight Time. Votes must be explicit; they should contain the lines : "YES to RAM" or "I vote for rec.arts.manga as proposed" OR "NO to RAM" or "I vote against rec.arts.manga as proposed" in either the subject or the body of your e-mail. You don't have to use these exact words, but your statement must be UNAMBIGUOUS and UNCONDITIONAL. There can be only one valid vote per person. If anyone casts more than one vote, only the most recent vote will be counted. No votes should be posted to the NEWS. Only votes sent to [email protected] will be counted. Only mass acknowledgements will be posted to the net. To pass, rec.arts.manga needs a 2/3 majority AND 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes. FINAL NOTE : hereafter any discussion about the newsgroup creation should be stopped as the voting has started DESCRIPTION: Discussion about manga, a term used to denote the popular art and its artstyle that is derived originally and primarily from Japanese graphic novels, and any comics or art (from any country) with strong manga influence. (most notably manga from Taiwan and Hongkong, which is known as ManHwa in Chinese,) CHARTER: This newsgroup will provide a forum for discussion related to manga, the Japanese storytelling art form, plus comics and other arts with strong manga influences. The topics that are to appear in this newsgroup may include: - information on how and where to get manga material - reviews of manga - discussion about the artstyle, stories, and history of manga - fan translation of manga stories - discussion of manga-related products - reporting and discussion of any news about manga. - discussion about how to do manga - social/philosophical implications and impact of manga - manga art in society : commercial packaging, advertisements, etc - the influence of manga to other art forms COMMENT: Manga have always had a huge influence in Japan. In fact, one might say that manga has become an integral part of Japanese life and Japanese culture. This artform has already, to a varying extent, influenced manga related comics and popular art in neighboring countries. Increasing numbers of people in the Western world are discovering the appeal of this artform because of its advanced and distinctive art style, format and presentation techniques. Readers also benefit from the increasing popularity of anime (Japanese animation, which is significantly related to manga) and its well-established fandom, and more recently, the effort by some Western comics publishers to publish translated manga stories, which aims at introducing manga to Western readers (although admittedly the quantity and coverage is rather limited) This newsgroup intends to provide a forum for manga enthusiasts to discuss manga, as well as to provide a medium to introduce this influential artform which is still relatively new to regions outside the Far East area. A newsgroup, alt.manga, has been running for a few months now. The group has been growing since its creation, and is now receiving dozens of messages daily. However, many people are unsatisfied by its low propagation, and there is a strong desire to create a formal Usenet newgroup to replace it. Alt.manga will be rmgrouped after the creation of rec.arts.manga. The "alt.manga" mailing list, which currently channels alt.manga posts to non-USENET users, will be renamed "MANGA-L" and shifted to rec.arts.manga after its creation. --- Here is the latest mass acknowledgement for the rec.arts.manga voting. I tried to eliminate duplicate and invalid votes (most of them are from people who were asking about the vote rather than actually voting) this time. If you spot other duplicates in the list please let me know. (Thanks!) The list of people whose invalid or duplicate votes haven been eliminated appears after the main list (as long as your name appears in the main list, then your latest vote had been counted) If you voted but can't find your name in the list, please send me an e-mail at "[email protected]" and vote again. I will personally acknowledge your vote this time. Thank you for participating in the vote. -------------------------------- A1 gerard pinzone (ee) A1 tak cheung ip (cs) ACPS1072@RYERSON"